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Channel log from 1 May 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:19 | <pere> ogra: hi. is the ubuntu ltsp udeb package (ltsp-build-client) setting the default X keyboard layout based on the debian-installer keyboard setting?
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| 05:30 | <ogra> pere, no, we set that in the locales plugin from the Ubuntu dir
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| 05:30 | it shouldnt affect debian
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| 05:31 | unless your lsb-release output says something about ubuntu
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| 05:40 | <pere> ogra: ok. I got a patch to get the udeb to pass on the d-i value to xserver-xorg, which I suspect is a better way to do it, making ltsp work the same way as the normal installation.
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| 05:41 | <ogra> well ...
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| 05:41 | it wont work on plain ltsp-build-client runs then
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| 05:42 | thats not good ...
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| 05:42 | cant you just use a plugin like we do in ubuntu or even add it to the locales plugin you already got ?
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| 05:43 | (in ubuntu i just need to copy the console-setup config from the server to the client and run locale-gen $LANG once ... no need for debconf here
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| 05:43 | )
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| 05:48 | <pere> ogra: could be a solution, yes
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| 05:49 | but I want to reuse the logic in the xserver-xorg postinst, to avoid having to duplicate the mapping from console keyboard name to X keyboard setting.
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| 05:49 | <ogra> well, console-setup does that for me here ... i assume debian will switch to the new one as well in sid
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| 05:50 | <pere> hm, I guess I need to check out console-setup :)
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| 05:51 | <ogra> at least i assume its doing that, i dont need to set any debconf values as soon as /etc/default/console-setup has values for XKBLAYOUT, ...MODEL, ...VARIANT and ...OPTIONS
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| 05:52 | which is set on the server by d-i
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| 05:52 | <ogra> (or by dpkg-reconfigure :) )
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| 07:40 | <milosz> 'morning
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| 07:46 | <cliebow_> milosz, Good morning
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| 08:59 | <ogra> jammcq, !
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| 09:01 | <cyberorg> hi ogra
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| 09:01 | <milosz> ogra: i started on the spec... but right now it's a brain dump
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| 09:02 | i need to clean it up include more details
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| 09:02 | <ogra> milosz, its fine for a start ... it outlines the implementation
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| 09:02 | you should probably add something about key handling ...
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, do you know what timezone Seville is in?
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| 09:03 | <ogra> that seems not covered anywhere (ltsp-update-sshkeys needs to add the other servers to known_hosts)
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| 09:03 | jammcq, CEST ?
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| 09:03 | not sure though ... might be 1h ahead
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| 09:04 | <milosz> jammcq: google?
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| 09:04 | <jammcq> milosz: #ltsp is BETTER than goodle :)
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| 09:04 | err, google
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| 09:04 | <milosz> but, it must be true cause you found it on google
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| 09:04 | :)
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> ogra: google tells me CEST is the zone, is that GMT+1 ?
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| 09:11 | <ogra> +2 atm (DST)
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> so, detroit is -4
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| 09:35 | <pscheie> morning all
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| 09:36 | <jammcq> http://news.com.com/Dell+picks+Ubuntu+for+Linux+PCs/2100-7344_3-6180419.html
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| 09:47 | <ogra> jammcq, isle of man knows who really owns ubuntu :) http://www.manxradio.com/readItemBus.aspx?ID=12300&cate=Business
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| 10:12 | <milosz> eek, no python support for posix message queues, at least no modules that i can find
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| 10:16 | wait some one wrote a pyipc module
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| 10:16 | but it's not in ubuntu right now
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| 10:27 | <milosz> never the less, message queues would be the best way to pass any info from ldm to the greeter... whether is the server availble, error messages, wrong password
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| 10:27 | so it can provide av feedback
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| 10:28 | <jammcq> is the LDM and Greeter running on the same machine?
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| 10:28 | <milosz> yeah
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| 10:29 | <jammcq> how about dbus ?
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| 10:29 | <ogra> eek
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| 10:29 | <milosz> true...
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| 10:29 | the new fangled stuff
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| 10:29 | <ogra> surely not on a thin client that breaks half the world
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| 10:29 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 10:29 | <milosz> how so?
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| 10:29 | <jammcq> no dbus on thin client?
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| 10:29 | <ogra> dbus is really no option for the client side ... lets keep that for the session ;)
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| 10:30 | <milosz> well can you give me a concrete reason why before I run out
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| 10:30 | <ogra> jammcq, i'm saying that since pre edgy
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| 10:31 | <ogra> milosz, it pulls a ton of dependencies in, eats memory etc ... a plain socket in /var/run would suit better for IPC here
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| 10:31 | <milosz> well with dbus you could have other listerns that would be commanded to do... stuff
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| 10:31 | okay
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| 10:31 | i'm fine with message queues since they would be ideal... but you got to give into this newfanged dbus, etc peer preasure every once in a while
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| 10:32 | <ogra> dbus is a way to fat overhead for thin clients imho
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| 10:32 | <milosz> i fogot about these 48meg ram pentium buggers
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| 10:33 | <ogra> if we ever get something that talks to a dbus on a server etc, i'd start looking at olpc or other embedded solutions for a replacement ...
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| 10:33 | i.e. something that speaks the spcific parts of the dbus protocol but nothing more ... trimmed for slimness
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| 10:35 | <milosz> well i think some one has a fully managed C# implementation, and some one else has is working on a pure python implementation from what i remeber from the summit last year
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| 10:35 | cause i guess people got sick of the C implementation and binding it
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| 10:38 | <ogra> well
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| 10:38 | stacking other lanuage bindings on top wont really make it smaller :P
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| 11:06 | <ogra> wheee ... we're on bbc :) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm
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| 11:08 | <jsgotangco> dude that's ubuntu not ltsp
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| 11:08 | heh
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| 11:09 | <ogra> well ...
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| 11:09 | sorry, i was overwhelmed
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| 11:11 | <pscheie> good news is good news
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| 11:18 | <ogra> yeah :)
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| 11:20 | <sutula> ogra: What's supposed to run on the client that translates the ESPEAKER port (e.g. 16001) to the client's sound device?
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| 11:21 | <ogra> depends on the release :)
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| 11:21 | <sutula> ogra: This is Debian Etch
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| 11:21 | <ogra> in edgy and before we had esd
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| 11:21 | debian etch is abut the same as edgy
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| 11:21 | <sutula> 0.99debian11
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| 11:21 | <ogra> versioning and feature wise ...
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| 11:22 | <sutula> ogra: So, should an esd be running on the client?
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| 11:22 | <ogra> if you have set SOUND=True in lts.conf, yes
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| 11:22 | no idea if debian installs a default lts.conf ... ubuntu does with that variable set
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| 11:23 | <sutula> ogra: It doesn't...but I set that and have a seemingly valid ESPEAKER value, but apps can't connect
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| 11:31 | <thomask> hey can someone help me out? i'm getting
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| 11:31 | "no subnet declaration for eth1"
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| 11:33 | anyone here/
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| 11:34 | <sutula> ogra: So, it wasn't running. Trying it gives error on /dev/dsp doesn't exist. I can run it as "esd -d /dev/audio -port 16001", but it still doesn't accept connections (afaikt). Does it need to be tunnelled with the rest of the login?
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| 11:36 | <thomask> ogra can you help me with this issue? I am trying to get dhcp working i have edubuntu preinstalled and i have modified my /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf file correctly yet i still get this error in my syslog...
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| 11:36 | "no subnet declaration for eth1"
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| 11:38 | <sutula> thomask: Perhaps put your dhcpd.conf file somewhere that people can look at?
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| 11:38 | <ltsppbot> "thomask" pasted "here is my dhcpd.conf file" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/113
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| 11:38 | <sutula> :)
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| 11:41 | <thomask> how does it look?
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| 11:43 | <sutula> thomask: Two eth cards or just one?
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| 11:43 | <thomask> two
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| 11:44 | my first is set as dhcp
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| 11:44 | <sutula> thomask: I'm not very good in this area, but perhaps if you paste the output of ifconfig, someone will know what's wrong
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| 11:46 | <ltsppbot> "thomask" pasted "ifconfig output" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/114
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| 11:49 | <cliebow_> thomask:post your dhcpd.conf?
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| 11:49 | <ogra> sutula, probably alsa doesnt load the right module
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| 11:50 | no idea how debian works in that respect ...
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| 11:50 | <sutula> cliebow: He did earlier
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| 11:50 | <thomask> here is my dhcpd.conf file" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/113
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| 11:51 | <sutula> ogra: I did (just) get a connection by manually starting esd: esd -d /dev/audio -port 16001 -public -tcp
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| 11:51 | ogra: No sound yet, but I probably need to mess with volume or something like that
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| 11:51 | <cliebow_> werll option ruters is wron
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| 11:51 | g
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| 11:52 | <pscheie> cliebow_: what's wrong with options routers? I've got that in mine, points to the ltsp server
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| 11:52 | <sutula> ogra: Assuming I find some combination that works, what script is being run that kicks all this off?
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| 11:53 | <ogra> sutula, well, its a bit weird since it seems to work flwless for many users ... i havent heard anything like that from debian users yet
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| 11:53 | <cliebow_> hmmm..first ifconfig entry is 192.168.1
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| 11:53 | <ogra> sutula, /etc/init.d/ltsp-client and /usr/sbin/ldm
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| 11:53 | <cliebow_> pscheie, how can a router be outside of the range?
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| 11:54 | <ogra> in the chroot indeed :)
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| 11:54 | <sutula> ogra: OK, I'll study those to see what's happening...thanks much
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| 11:55 | <pscheie> ok, I see what you mean
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| 11:55 | I think the eth0 and eth1 declarations may be off
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| 11:55 | <pscheie> that is, etho is 192.168
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| 11:56 | but dhcp ranges are 10.0.0
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| 11:56 | <thomask> so what should i do? should i change my dhcp range to 192.168.1?
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| 11:56 | <pscheie> doesn't the dhcp for the clients usually talk on eth0?
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| 11:57 | <cliebow_> maybe i am wrong..but if his dhcp uses eth0 by default for his "ltsp"network wouldnt the subnet and range want to be in 192.168.1?
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| 11:57 | <thomask> you can tell it which interface to choose here /etc/network/interfaces
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| 11:58 | <cliebow_> your "outside network is" which?
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| 11:58 | <thomask> 192.168.0
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| 11:58 | <pscheie> right, but as cliebow said, then your router wouldn't be 192.168 if your range is 10.0
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| 11:58 | <ogra> pscheie, the dhcp talks to what it is configured for :)
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| 11:59 | <thomask> so i should tell it that my ltsp server is my router?
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| 11:59 | <pscheie> i think so
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| 11:59 | ogra: is that declared in /etc/network/interfaces?
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| 12:00 | <ogra> nope, dhcpd checks if an interface with an IP for a matching subnet declaration is found ...
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| 12:00 | <pscheie> for the dhcp server I mean, not as a client
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| 12:00 | <ogra> in /etc/network/interfaces you would define the settings for the interface
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| 12:00 | <ltsppbot> "thomask" pasted "/etc/network/interfaces" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/115
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| 12:00 | <ogra> yes, for the server
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| 12:01 | <cliebow_> if you look at /etc/default/dhcp3-server it defines interfaces to run dhcp on..the INTERFACES variable is sourced from /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server and defaults to eth0..
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| 12:01 | <ogra> thats fine, eth0 operates as dhcp client ... eth1 is the static interface the dhcp server should run on
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| 12:01 | <ogra> thomask, network 192.0.0.0
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| 12:02 | fix that
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| 12:02 | also the routers option in your dhcpd.conf is wrong
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| 12:02 | <thomask> i just saw that too and fixed it. do i need to restart in order for it to recognize it?
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| 12:02 | i set routers as 10.0.0.1
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| 12:03 | <cliebow_> i am afraid it will still flunk out..but ogra knows..
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| 12:03 | <pscheie> yes you must restart dhcpd
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| 12:03 | <sutula> thomask: yes, RE restart
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| 12:03 | <thomask> can i just restart network or do i have to restart the computer?
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| 12:04 | <cliebow_> /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
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| 12:04 | <pscheie> just restart dhcpd, not the whole network subsystem
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| 12:04 | <ogra> ifdown and ifup the interface, then restart dhcp
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| 12:05 | <cliebow_> i crawl back under table to avoid being hit with something
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| 12:06 | <cliebow_> thomask:remember that what is set in interfaces is how the interface "gets" its address..not where dhcp is running
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| 12:07 | <Egyptian[Home]> is it possible to have an active/passive redundant dhcpd on the network?
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| 12:07 | <thomask> same error in syslog
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| 12:08 | no subnet declaration for eth1 (10.0.0.1)/ ignoring requests on eth1 if this is not what you want please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf...
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| 12:08 | <ogra> are you sure you are editing /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 12:08 | <cliebow_> i believe that dhcp will run on eth0 by default..is this not so?
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| 12:09 | <ogra> nope
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| 12:09 | <pscheie> what distro?
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| 12:09 | <ogra> it tires to run on eth1 ... thats why it spills that warning
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| 12:09 | pscheie, edubuntu
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| 12:09 | <cliebow_> is that defined somewhere? like /etc/default/dhcp3-server?
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| 12:10 | <ogra> you can force it to use one interface there
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| 12:10 | but you shouldnt do that
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| 12:10 | <cliebow_> ok
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| 12:11 | <thomask> why shouldn't i do that?
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| 12:11 | <ogra> why should you ?
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| 12:12 | <cliebow_> thomask:must your mask be 254.0?
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| 12:12 | <ogra> it will only confuse people supporting you if you switch the defaults ... and be sure you will have forgotten about it in 6 months if you have troubles again
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| 12:13 | <thomask> i've got to go i'll be back... we'll revisit this. tia
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| 12:13 | <ogra> cliebow, yeah, that mask seems weird ... all that IP data seems weird ...
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| 12:14 | looks like he applies class C rules
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| 12:14 | that might be the root of the problem
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| 12:14 | it's no class C net
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| 12:14 | <cliebow_> cause his broadcast must be wrong that way
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| 12:14 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:20 | <fixxxer> hi everyone
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| 12:21 | can anyone help me a bit. my terminal freeze after "Doing the pivot_root" nfs: server 192.168.1.4 not responding
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| 12:24 | I did showmount 192.168.1.4 -e and everything seems ok....
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| 12:26 | <cliebow_> fixxxer, did you check wiki.ltsp.org..the nfs section?
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| 12:27 | <fixxxer> I am in the troubleshooting section of the support page at ltsp.org
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| 12:27 | I will check the wiki thanks.
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| 12:27 | <cliebow_> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
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| 12:27 | see the piece on nfs server not..
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| 12:28 | <fixxxer> by the way I am using ver 3.0 does the wiki cover this?
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| 12:28 | lol is the same page I was checking :)
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| 12:29 | thanks
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| 12:30 | <cliebow_> fixxxer, may be time to upgrade 8~)
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| 12:31 | <fixxxer> the "thing" is that it is a school project the teacher said that it MUST ber ver 3.0
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| 12:31 | he said that we will experience so many issues with it that we will end up learning how to use linux wether we like it or not....
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| 12:32 | <pscheie> wait a minute: are you in the same class as MrNobody?
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| 12:32 | <cliebow_> oh no..not another!!!
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| 12:32 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:32 | <fixxxer> what someone else with the same problem?
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| 12:32 | <ogra> yes
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| 12:32 | <pscheie> yesterday, yes
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| 12:32 | <ogra> apparently from your class
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| 12:32 | <fixxxer> lol
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| 12:33 | I guess you already know the hole story then...
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| 12:33 | <ogra> sbalneav already mailed your teacher afaik abut the fact that 3.0 is pretty pointless to use ...
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| 12:33 | <fixxxer> well I hope he listen to you guys.... I really hope so
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| 12:33 | <cliebow_> make him create ltsp5 on something...like sourcemage..
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| 12:34 | <fixxxer> we have that class tomorrow I will ask the teacher one more time to let us use a newer version...
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| 12:35 | I will comeback with the answer after that :)
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| 12:35 | cheers
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| 12:35 | <ogra> well the suggestion was to implement ltsp5 on any distro that doesnt have it yet ... thats where you can really learn something
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| 12:35 | <cliebow_> no no..create your own!
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| 12:35 | and contibute to the community
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| 12:35 | <ogra> and the community benefits from it
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| 12:35 | <cliebow_> heh
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| 12:35 | <ogra> heh, cliebow beats me
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| 12:36 | <cliebow_> never happen again 8~)
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| 12:37 | <fixxxer> I will be glad to contribute. but the thing is that I need to pass that asignment first
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| 12:38 | gotta go thx :)
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| 12:38 | <cliebow_> ok..then check dhcpd.conf..see what your root-path is
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| 12:38 | use pastebot if you like !pastebot
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| 12:39 | !pastebot
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| 12:39 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 12:40 | * cliebow_ cliebow creates five lijnes of cruft to tell someone not to spam the channel | |
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| 12:48 | <Berge> Greetings! I'm having some troubles getting my LTSP client to mount the root file system over NFS.
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| 12:48 | <pscheie> Berge: what version of LTSP?
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| 12:48 | <Berge> The server's an Ubuntu Feisty install.
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| 12:48 | That makes it 5.0.7
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| 12:49 | <ogra> do you run any other dhcp servers in that network ?
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| 12:49 | <Berge> I do, the DHCP server is a different box than the LTSP server.
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| 12:49 | Same with tftp.
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| 12:49 | <Berge> But the clients boots fine from network, and finds it initrd.
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| 12:49 | <ogra> well, thats both tftp
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| 12:50 | nfs happens inside the booted initramfs
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| 12:50 | <Berge> But after it says "Begin: Running /scrips/nfs-premount", it tries to mount the root file system as NFS. Though, it says: "mount: Device or resource busy"
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| 12:50 | <ogra> boot without splash and quiet options ...
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| 12:50 | <Berge> And that tries again. And again.
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| 12:50 | <ogra> oh
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| 12:50 | <Berge> ogra: It is booting without splash and quiet.
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| 12:50 | <ogra> check the rootserver ip, is that right ?
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| 12:51 | <Berge> It is, and the root server reports "mountd[14804]: authenticated mount request" in syslog.
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| 12:51 | <ogra> weird
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| 12:51 | <Berge> And the NFS share is mountable by other computers in the network.
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| 12:52 | <ogra> oh wait ... can you paste your root-path entry from the dhcp config ?
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| 12:52 | <Berge> option root-path "129.241.93.221:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 12:53 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-August/000397.html suggests a workaround, by modifing the initrd-image, but it didn't change anything here. It just sleeps longer.
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| 12:53 | <ogra> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387808
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| 12:53 | thats your problem
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| 12:53 | it has the fix at the bottom
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| 12:54 | it needs to be added to /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs
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| 12:54 | in the client chroot ...
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| 12:54 | <Berge> ah.
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| 12:55 | My Google-skills are appearantly not top-notch.
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| 12:55 | <pere> ogra: it seem to me that for etch, I have no choice but to implement the keyboard code in the udeb, as the keyboard code isn't available in /target/etc/, and thus not available for ltsp-build-client
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| 12:55 | <ogra> then run update-initramfs -u in there, exit the chroot and copy it to the tftp location
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| 12:56 | pere, meh ... so we have another diff to maintain ... plugins are really the better way
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| 12:57 | but if you dont see any other way, go ahead
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| 12:57 | i will just have to be cautious on merges
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| 12:57 | <pere> yeah. I'll do another test install, but it seem to be missing. only a copy of the keymap file content is in /etc/console/, and it do not contain any ref to the keymap name. :)
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| 12:57 | <Berge> ogra: Hm, I might be interpreting this wrong, but it seems Ubuntu's got it fixed in their scripts: http://home.samfundet.no/~berge/tmp/nfs
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| 12:58 | <ogra> pere, well, the console-setup stuff came into ubuntu during feisty ... etch was long frozen ...
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| 12:58 | <pere> ogra: my propsed change would not do any harm to the way ubuntu configure the keyboard. it would just be ignored, I believe.
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| 12:59 | <ogra> Berge, it was added to version 0.88, feisty has initramfs-tools 0.85
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| 12:59 | <cliebow_> Berge: you have two dhcp servers..any chance the second request is picked up from wrong one/
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| 12:59 | <Berge> cliebow_: Nopes, I've only got one DHCP server.
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| 12:59 | <cliebow_> k
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| 13:00 | <Berge> ogra: oh.
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| 13:00 | Let's see.l
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| 13:00 | <cliebow_> ahhh..now i see
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| 13:00 | <Berge> s/l/./
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| 13:00 | <ogra> pere, well, as i said, go ahead ... it will double code though
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| 13:01 | <pere> yes. only four lines, luckily. :/
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| 13:01 | I'm testing it now. if it work, I'll report it to bts and make a new ltsp package for debian-edu.
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| 13:01 | <ogra> i assume debian will switch in sid ... so there it might become redundant
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| 13:02 | <jammcq> pere? Hey, long time, no see
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| 13:02 | <pere> yeah.
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| 13:02 | jammcq: yeah. long time since I worked on ltsp. been busy with other projects like norwegian unix user group and openstreetmap.org. :)
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| 13:03 | <jammcq> cool
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| 13:03 | we've been busy here in #ltsp land
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| 13:03 | <pscheie> pere: where in norway are you?
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| 13:03 | <pere> pscheie: oslo.
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| 13:04 | <pscheie> I was in Oslo in '05, very nice, want to go back
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| 13:04 | <pere> jammcq: yes, so I've noticed. :)
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| 13:04 | <pscheie> my ancestors came from around bergen
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| 13:04 | still have family there
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| 13:05 | <pere> pscheie: aha. where are you located?
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| 13:05 | <pscheie> Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
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| 13:05 | <pere> right. close to little norway. I got relatives in that area. :)
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| 13:05 | <Berge> pscheie: You wouldn't happen to know excactly where around Bergen?
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| 13:05 | I'm from Bergen (-:
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| 13:06 | <pscheie> fossmark
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| 13:06 | * pere is going to bergen at the end of the month to talk about openstreetmap.org. :) | |
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| 13:06 | <pscheie> scheie was the name of a farm about 60km northeast of bergen
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| 13:06 | * pscheie looks up openstreetmap.org | |
| 13:07 | <Berge> pscheie: Yeah, I know where it is.
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| 13:07 | pere: Ah, indeed you are. I wondered where I'd seen that nick of yours before.
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| 13:08 | <pscheie> you folks should organize a norwegian ltsp conference, give me an excuse to come back there ;-)
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| 13:09 | <thomask> ok i just decided to run and get a router and now it works all nice and pretty. I see my thin client with udubuntu on it. however i have another fun issue...
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| 13:10 | <pere> pscheie: you can join the skolelinux gatherings. we use ltsp extensively. :)
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| 13:10 | <thomask> when i create a user and a password and i try to log in with them it just spits me out back to the username screen and my auth log tells me that their password was rejected
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| 13:10 | <tonyr> hello
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| 13:10 | <pscheie> yeah, I wanted to look up someone about skolelinux when I was there but didn't have time
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| 13:11 | the trip was 3 weeks starting in stockholm, then down through denmark, up to oslo, out to bergen, then home
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| 13:11 | * tonyr sees friends meho and stillflame here: hey guys | |
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| 13:12 | <cliebow_> thomask, can you login at a console on server
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| 13:12 | <pscheie> it was wonderful, way too short
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| 13:12 | <thomask> nm fixed it
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| 13:12 | <cliebow_> nm?
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| 13:12 | <thomask> i just had to log in on the console with that user first and then it logged in fine
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| 13:12 | nm = nevermind
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| 13:12 | <pere> pscheie: yes, sounds a bit short to cover such large area.
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| 13:12 | <cliebow_> oh that tool...
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| 13:12 | <pscheie> grueling, my kids might have said
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| 13:12 | <cliebow_> so no homedir then?
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| 13:13 | <pscheie> but my wife and I would have loved to stay longer if we could
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| 13:14 | <tonyr> question: where can I read about special dhcpd.conf considerations for cross architecture support of PowerPc clients served from i386 platform?
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| 13:15 | <jammcq> tonyr: http://wiki.ltsp.org, look for 'dhcp'
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| 13:15 | <Berge> pere: Worked like a charm, thanks a lot! (-:
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| 13:16 | <pscheie> Berge: are you in Bergen? or just from there?
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| 13:17 | <tonyr> jammcq: OK, thanks.
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| 13:17 | <Berge> pscheie: I'm from Bergen, but living in Trondheim.
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| 13:18 | <pscheie> another part of my family is from around Trondheim. My dad's been back there, but I haven't
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| 13:19 | is skolelinux used across Norway or just primarily in and around Bergen?
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| 13:22 | <pere> pscheie: skolelinux is used around the globe, but primarly in norway and germany. <URL: http://www.skolelinux.no/slschools/cartography.html > show some maps.
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| 13:25 | <pscheie> hey, that's a cool map, much better than the mess that frappr became
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| 13:59 | <cliebow_> tonyr:i've done quiote a lot of that..
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| 13:59 | sorry for my accent
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| 14:02 | <pere> does it work to have more than one --debconf-seeds argument to ltsp-build-client?
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| 14:03 | <ogra> no idea, thats your code :) we dont use it anywhere i ubuntu
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| 14:03 | vagrant might know
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| 14:04 | i guess a look at the right plugin might help ;)
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| 14:05 | it seems to split them on commas
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| 14:06 | or spaces
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| 14:07 | <pere> I want to use --debconf-seeds /tmp/foo --debconf-seeds /tmp/bar, (separate parts of the code is just appending to the list of arguments.
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| 14:08 | <ogra> well, it seems to want --debconf-seeds /tmp/foo /tmp/bar
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| 14:08 | or --debconf-seeds /tmp/foo,/tmp/bar
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| 14:08 | <pere> right. then I would need to parse the existing option list. :(
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| 14:08 | <ogra> it does:
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| 14:08 | DEBCONF_SEEDS="$(echo $option_debconf_seeds_value | tr ',' ' ')"
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| 14:09 | and then
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| 14:09 | for seed in $DEBCONF_SEEDS; do
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| 14:09 | cat $seed | chroot $ROOT debconf-set-selections
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| 14:09 | done
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| 14:10 | <ogra> i dont think we support multiple calls of the same option
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| 14:10 | but honestly i never tried
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| 14:11 | <pere> reading the code in ltsp-build-client make me believe you are right. :(
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| 14:11 | <ogra> well, we never had the need before :)
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| 14:11 | and for most options it would be silly ... i.e. --chroot
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| 14:12 | <pere> yeah.
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| 14:31 | <ogra> pere, did you see that one ? http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/1211211
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| 14:31 | :)
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| 14:35 | <pere> ogra: yes. I always new I was working to promote and improve progress cristian capitallistic communism. :)
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| 14:35 | <ogra> hehe
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| 14:44 | <tonyr> cliebow_: you still around? done a lot of crossarch client support, you mean?
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| 14:51 | <cliebow_> well ive been running ppc off 1386 for four or five years
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| 14:53 | <tonyr> cliebow_: The situation here is a high turnover of ppc machines. Is your machine population fixed/stable?
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| 14:55 | I'd like o be able to differentiate machines on dhcpd.conf option vendor-client-identifier, but I'm not convinced all Macs provide that in the DHCP discover request
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| 14:56 | <cliebow_> tonyr:in ubuntu?
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| 14:57 | i see what you mean...first dhcp..ive only tried a few varieties but they all work for first dhcp request
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| 14:57 | <tonyr> cliebow_: ltsp server is on Debian etch, clients are all Ubuntu Edgy or Feisty
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| 14:57 | <cliebow_> easy enough if one fails to run ethereal
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| 14:57 | meaning their chroot is either degy or feisty
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| 14:58 | the second dhcp request Does involve several different vendor ids
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| 14:58 | d-i was one
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| 15:00 | <tonyr> cliebow_: cliebow_: I expect the G4 generation would provide idents; The one I didn't see it on was an early iMac (slot load)
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| 15:02 | <cliebow_> they prob need a bootpish reservation..i'm not sure about vendor id
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| 15:02 | <tonyr> I'm watching with wireshark (ethereal descendant)
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| 15:03 | <cliebow_> that should be ducky..
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| 15:04 | <tonyr> cliebow_: thanks for the input. gotta run now , miles to go etc etc
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| 15:04 | <cliebow_> it would be nice to differentiate tween ppc and i386 at Second dhcp request so root=path would be automatic..i lost steam trying to get that figured out
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| 15:04 | tonyr:i have a dhcpd.conf if youwant it..on my other lappie
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| 15:06 | <tonyr> I hear you...There are some options request thingies in the dhcpd.conf that I don't understand yet. I'm wishing that they are instructions to the requestor to provide these things in the second dhcp, but I;m not sure what good that would do, I don't know enough about the conversation yet.
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| 15:07 | <cliebow_> i dont either know it so well..
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| 15:08 | i'm posting it..think it is latest..
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| 15:08 | <tonyr> cliebow_: offer of dhcpd.conf gratefully accepted. What's the preferred method..patebot.ltsp.org? email?
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| 15:09 | patebot->pastebot
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| 15:10 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/116
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| 15:11 | <cliebow_> remember my paths tend to be a little wonky
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| 15:12 | <tonyr> It's the structure and flow I'm trying to figure out, should be fine, thanks
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| 15:14 | <tonyr> cliebow_: got it! and thanks again
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| 15:34 | <Burgwork> how do I make dhcpd bind only to one interface? will it only start on static ones?
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| 18:44 | <BucWheat> cliebow, i'm back and still having issues
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| 18:44 | i'm going to paste my dhcp.conf file
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| 18:45 | <BucWheat> when i do netstat i see dhcpd running
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| 18:48 | <ltsppbot> "BucWheat" pasted "clients can logon to server but not access e-mail" (97 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/117
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| 18:48 | <BucWheat> there is the output of netstat and my dhcpd.conf file
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| 18:49 | i do not know what happened to the box as everything was working fine a few days ago and then all of a sudden no inet access
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| 18:49 | the windows boxes are now getting their ip addresses from the router and not the ltsp box
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| 18:54 | cliebow, there?
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| 19:00 | <cliebow> BucWheat ..lemme get t up to speed
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| 19:01 | <BucWheat> ok
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| 19:01 | <cliebow> does route -n show you have a gateway?
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| 19:02 | <BucWheat> yea its 192.168.2.1
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| 19:03 | 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
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| 19:03 | <cliebow> your clients should be seeing a desktop from the server..at the server do you have internet access/
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| 19:03 | ?
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| 19:04 | <BucWheat> when i ssh into the server i can ping www.yahoo.com and other sites all day long
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| 19:04 | but when i do lynx www.yahoo.com it says no connection to host
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| 19:04 | host timed out
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| 19:04 | <cliebow> is lynx running locally on the clients?
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| 19:04 | <BucWheat> and i have no proxy or anything. just a cable modem and routers
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| 19:04 | no but mozilla is
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| 19:05 | actually they pull everything from the server.
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| 19:05 | i'm using the hp tc jammcq sells if that helps
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| 19:05 | <cliebow> so option routers is something weird in dhcpd.conf
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| 19:05 | that the clients are getting
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| 19:05 | <BucWheat> what should it be?
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| 19:06 | <cliebow> shouldsnt it also be 192.168.32.1?
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| 19:06 | scrathc the 3
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| 19:06 | your server is 50 but it is not the gateway.
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| 19:07 | <BucWheat> okay. 192.168.2.1 is the physical router the server is plugged into
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| 19:08 | <cliebow> and you are tellling your clients the router is something else..or al i bonko?
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| 19:08 | or am i bonkers?
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| 19:08 | <BucWheat> i do not know how the route got changed though because i didnt change it
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| 19:08 | this is weird
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| 19:08 | <cliebow> also is your ltsp server running bind?
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| 19:09 | <BucWheat> no
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| 19:09 | should it be?
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| 19:09 | <cliebow> cause then it is not a domain name server 8~)
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| 19:09 | <BucWheat> so i shouldn't have the ip address of the server listed as dns
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| 19:10 | <cliebow> not unless it is running dns..
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| 19:10 | <BucWheat> i changed it to that yesterday but it originally had ip address provided from ISP
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| 19:10 | i'll put that info back there now
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| 19:10 | <cliebow> give it a whirl..i think you are on the mend
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| 19:11 | <BucWheat> i'm going to inet_route add 192.168.2.50 or something like that and fix up the dhcp.conf
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| 19:11 | what should i do about the windows boxes? how do i give them ips?
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| 19:11 | and disable dhcp on physical router?
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| 19:13 | <cliebow> BucWheat, but your ltsp server is not a gateway is it?
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| 19:13 | <BucWheat> 192.168.2.1 is the physical router. which would be the gateway
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| 19:13 | so the route for default gw is right then?
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| 19:13 | <cliebow> is this a 2 nic setup...
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| 19:14 | <BucWheat> no. just one
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| 19:15 | <cliebow> i like that..meself..your winboxen should get an addy from a pool of addresses..or you vcan hard code em like your clients
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| 19:16 | <BucWheat> so my routes are fine then?
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| 19:16 | <cliebow> and they will surely want to know option routers as 2.1
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| 19:16 | if route -n shows on your server 192.168.2.1 gateway it hink you are golden
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| 19:17 | <BucWheat> ok it does and netstat shows this for dhcp3
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| 19:17 | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:* 25618/dhcpd3
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| 19:18 | <cliebow> you have no pool of addresses in your dhcpd.conf
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| 19:18 | <BucWheat> for win clients?
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| 19:18 | <cliebow> for any clients at all..everything is hard coded
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| 19:19 | <BucWheat> ok so i can uncomment the dynamic pool of address bits in my dhcp.conf ?
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| 19:19 | <cliebow> IF you chanage the numbers..i am unsure of the order there without looking at one of my machines..
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| 19:20 | <BucWheat> could you look for me :)
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| 19:20 | pretty pretty pretty please
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| 19:20 | <cliebow> try noy to overlap your hard coded machines with your dynamic poolk
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| 19:21 | mine wre a little strange cause i run dhcp on alternate port..but let me look
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| 19:22 | <BucWheat> ok. i'm setting winboxen on dynamic range of 2.100 to 2.120 and thin clients are hard coded to 2.150 to 2.160
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| 19:24 | <cliebow> you can look at 169.244.3.137/dhcpd.conf if you like..there are no hard coded machines..
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| 19:25 | you should see the curly brackets enclose everything from the end of line 3 to the end
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| 19:26 | <BucWheat> take a look at my dhcp.conf i simply uncommented the second subnet line and removed the dynamic-bootp option
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| 19:26 | <cliebow> my option-routers statement is wrong tooo 8~)
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| 19:26 | <BucWheat> and changed the network to 192.168.2.0 and range from 192.168.2.100 192.168.2.120
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| 19:26 | do i need to declare this outside of the fixed address branch?
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| 19:27 | <cliebow> i think all you need to do is fix the address in
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| 19:27 | range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.253;
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| 19:27 | <BucWheat> so i do need dynamic-bootp?
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| 19:27 | looking dynamic-bootp up now
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| 19:27 | <cliebow> and add it beloew option log-servers
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| 19:28 | <BucWheat> so declare it within its own parent subnet { }
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| 19:28 | ?
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| 19:29 | <cliebow> just add it in below log servers after fixing the address to be in 192.168.2.0 subnet
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| 19:29 | <BucWheat> ahh ok i see.
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| 19:29 | <cliebow> doesnt need any more brackets
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| 19:29 | <BucWheat> what does the dynamic-bootp do?
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| 19:30 | <cliebow> err. i guess it passes out dhcp addresses
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| 19:30 | from a pool..
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| 19:31 | <BucWheat> ok. how can i refresh tc's ? cycle power?
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| 19:31 | i'm logged into server with X and i'm still unable to access the web
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| 19:31 | <cliebow> restart dhcp..
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| 19:32 | i dont even know what distro you are in 8~)
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| 19:32 | <BucWheat> done that
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| 19:32 | debian sarge :)
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| 19:32 | ./etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
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| 19:32 | removing bootp option
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| 19:33 | restarted dhcp3
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| 19:35 | no dice. still unable to access web from ltsp server
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| 19:35 | can ping but no elinks www.yahoo.com access
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| 19:35 | 192.168.2.1 router has dns servers from ISP listed there
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| 19:36 | <cliebow> can you open network-admin and check your..damn..this i debian..
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| 19:36 | <BucWheat> should i also add the dns servers of /etc/resolve.conf?
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| 19:36 | <cliebow> i dont know what you have for a AYES yES
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| 19:36 | <BucWheat> ?
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| 19:37 | nameserver 192.168.2.1
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| 19:37 | <cliebow> i dont know what you have for a GUI..but resolv.conf is the controlling file
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| 19:37 | i have to switch lapptops
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| 19:37 | <BucWheat> k
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| 19:40 | <cliebow> remember mozilla will have to restart i think to pick up the reolver
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| 19:41 | <BucWheat> still no dice. should i restart the server?
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| 19:41 | what does your resolv.conf file look like?
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| 19:41 | i just have nameserver <ip address of physical router>
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| 19:42 | <cliebow> sems ok
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| 19:43 | search Ellsworth
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| 19:43 | nameserver 192.168.3.1
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| 19:43 | the search piece is useless
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| 19:45 | <BucWheat> bugger! what is preventing inet access
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| 19:45 | doesn't make sense i can ping but can't access via web browser
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| 19:46 | <cliebow> 192.168.3.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1
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| 19:46 | 0.0.0.0 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1
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| 19:46 | my route -n
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| 19:47 | <BucWheat> ok looks just like mine
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| 19:47 | i'm going to disable dhcp on physical router and see if i can pull an ip from ltsp server
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| 19:47 | i'll be right back
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| 19:47 | <cliebow> k
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| 19:50 | <cliebow_> ho
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| 19:52 | <BucWheat> good news is i get ip from ltsp on windows boxes
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| 19:52 | bad news is ltsp server and thin clients connected to it cannot connect to internet
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| 19:52 | but windows boxes that get ip address from ltsp server can
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| 19:52 | that is weird
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| 19:52 | <cliebow_> cripes..
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| 19:53 | <BucWheat> am i missing something in my hard coded ltsp lines?
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| 19:53 | <cliebow_> but from a terminal on the server or client you can ping www.google.com
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| 19:53 | <BucWheat> yea
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| 19:54 | <cliebow_> what browser..as if that might make a diff
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| 19:54 | firefox,,
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| 19:54 | <BucWheat> mozilla
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| 19:54 | cna't connect with elinks either
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| 19:54 | i see windows box in /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcp.leases now so that is good
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| 19:55 | <cliebow_> and mozilla was turned off and back on
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| 19:55 | <BucWheat> yea. let me killall mozilla instances to make sure
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| 19:57 | no dice. let me reboot server
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| 19:59 | <cliebow_> for the hell of it see if xchat will work on ltsp server..that also requires resolution..
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| 20:00 | <BucWheat> ok i'll see
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| 20:00 | why can the windows boxes access the net but not the ltsp boxes?
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| 20:01 | <cliebow_> i am unsure..We know they get the correct gateway now from dhcpd.conf
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| 20:01 | and also the correct dns server
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| 20:02 | heck i suppose you could turn on bind on ltsp server..but that adds just one more variable
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| 20:03 | is your ltsp server hardcoded to an address..or get info grom dhcp?
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| 20:07 | <BucWheat> hard coded to ip address 192.168.2.50
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| 20:07 | i guess you do have to reboot linux servers every once and a while
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| 20:07 | the reboot did the trick
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| 20:07 | i can elinks www.yahoo.com
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| 20:07 | what hung it up i do not know
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| 20:08 | <cliebow> i am happy...i suppose we could have tried /etc/init.d/networking restart]\
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| 20:08 | then restarted dhcp
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| 20:08 | <BucWheat> i tried that
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| 20:09 | actuall i did /etc/init.d/network restart or was it networking either way it didn't work
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| 20:09 | <cliebow> But..there are some settings read from /etc/default that i dont thiink refresh that way
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| 20:09 | <BucWheat> now on to installing cross over office :)
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| 20:09 | ahh i see
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| 20:09 | <cliebow> Cool..
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| 20:09 | <BucWheat> man server was up for more than a year without a reboot :)
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| 20:09 | thanks man you rock
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| 20:09 | <cliebow> as do you!!
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| 20:09 | you had 300 days uptime?
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| 20:10 | or more
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| 20:10 | <BucWheat> yup
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| 20:10 | <cliebow> never gotten there..power glitches..moviing things around,,
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| 20:11 | anyway..sounds like you are on the up and up..ill look you up for some xo office questions sometime
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| 20:11 | <BucWheat> cool. this is my first xoffice install so hopefully i'll be able to get it installed
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| 20:12 | i'm going to upgrade to debian etch and latest ltsp on this box and then deploy xoffice server with ms office 2k3. hopefully i won't have any issues but we shall see
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| 20:12 | heh
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| 20:13 | <cliebow> best of luck on that..ive never gotten very far with xx office wine etc..
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