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02:13 | <muppis> Hmm.. DVD doesn't mount. Well, I don't actually know is drive fully functional.
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02:14 | <muppis> And I use /media for HDD mounts in server.
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04:00 | <andygraybeal> morrningingign
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04:07 | <alkisg> noon no on no on no on
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04:07 | <andygraybeal> hehehehee :)
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04:07 | hows the conference going?
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04:07 | <alkisg> Done, was fine, but the night drinks there were even better :)
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04:08 | * alkisg likes the conferences that happen on islands :) http://www.greek-tourism.gr/syros/ | |
04:12 | <andygraybeal> ihahaha :) awesome
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04:13 | i was thinking all night long last night abuot lxde.. and if you recommend i should remove gnome and gnome-based applications and go with lxde instead and the applications that are default in Lubuntu
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04:13 | syros :)
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04:14 | <alkisg> I'd use lxde only on fat clients with 300-500 mb ram
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04:14 | <andygraybeal> can you explain why you wouldn't be without gnome?
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04:14 | <alkisg> For thin clients I don't think it makes a very big difference
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04:14 | <andygraybeal> if it was a 1gb fat client?
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04:15 | <alkisg> For fat with 1gb I'd use gnome because it has better support, because most people use it
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04:15 | No strong ideas behind it, just for better support
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04:15 | <andygraybeal> okay, i undrestand. i don't want to switch to lxde and then switch back
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04:16 | but i was thinking the resourcefullness of lxde would be nice... in the long run
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04:16 | <alkisg> Some people here do use lxde with ltsp and I don't think they reported any problems
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04:16 | Even logout etc work fine out of the box, whereas gnome-session rejected the relevant patch
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04:17 | <andygraybeal> okay.
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04:17 | something i'm thinking about and how best to use our hardware
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04:17 | it reminds me of Windows :) and i don't like that!
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04:17 | run away run away!
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04:18 | <alkisg> What reminds you of windows? lxde?!
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04:18 | <andygraybeal> yea
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04:18 | maybe yuo could sway my mind
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04:18 | you seem surprised
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04:18 | so maybe i'm wrong
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04:18 | like older windows
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04:19 | <alkisg> Well with unity etc I think you're closer to newer windows, android, mac os etc than with lxde
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04:19 | <andygraybeal> yea
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06:58 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone know what an Invalid Card Number means when logging in on a Terminal
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06:58 | ?
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06:58 | <Appiah> where does it say that?
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06:59 | <Ghidorah> After authenticating on LDM
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06:59 | <Appiah> soundcard erorr perhaps
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06:59 | <Ghidorah> Makes sense
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07:00 | <Appiah> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/684753
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07:01 | "(ignore that "invalid card" error for a while, it's probably a wrong
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07:01 | parameter in amixer)"
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07:02 | <Ghidorah> Awesome, at least I know that isn't what is causing my real problem :)
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07:06 | Does anyone know where authentication takes place on LTSP-Cluster? More specifically does it occur on the app or root server?
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07:06 | <dead_root> that depends if you doing a cluster with ldap Ghidorah
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07:06 | <Ghidorah> My goal is LDAP
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07:07 | <Appiah> the appserver auths againsts ldap
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07:07 | <dead_root> i believe the app server is what does the authentication,
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07:12 | <Ghidorah> I'm assuming I have to have an LTSP chroot on each app server. Is this correct?
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07:13 | <dead_root> no
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07:13 | the image is on the root server
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07:13 | but you do keep all the applications you want your users to run on the app server
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07:15 | <Ghidorah> man I head hurts lol. When does the load balancing occur?
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07:15 | my head*
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07:15 | <dead_root> lol on the root server
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07:16 | <Ghidorah> ah I guess that was a vague question
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07:16 | When does it pick which app server to use?
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07:16 | On terminal boot?
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07:16 | or application launch?
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07:17 | <dead_root> you point the clients to the load balancer, when someone logs in, it queries the load blancer, the load balancer checks the app servers and sends the client to the one with the lowest load
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07:17 | so it picks the app server on user login
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07:18 | <Ghidorah> Excellent. Do you know if Local-Apps are still possible with LTSP-Cluster?
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07:18 | <dead_root> yes they are
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07:31 | <Ghidorah> dead_root: I'm having an issue with LTSP-Cluster where the client is getting the root server as the application server unless I manually specify an app server as the LDM_Server.
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07:32 | Have you encountered this before?
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07:32 | <dead_root> do you have the load balancer on the root server?
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07:32 | <Ghidorah> I have it installed
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07:34 | <dead_root> and what does you /etc/ltsp/ltsp-cluster-control.config.php and /etc/ltsp/lbsconfig.xml look like?
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07:35 | <Ghidorah> $CONFIG['loadbalancer'] = "172.16.18.1"; in ltsp-cluster-control.config.php
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07:35 | <dead_root> and thats the ip of your root server?
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07:35 | <Ghidorah> <node address="http://172.16.18.2:8000" name="ltsp-appserv01"/> in the lbsconfig
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07:36 | <dead_root> yea those both look good
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07:36 | hmmm
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07:37 | in your chroot
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07:37 | do you have anything in /etc/lts.conf and /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf
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07:38 | <Ghidorah> No.
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07:38 | Rather
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07:38 | I have not modified them.
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07:38 | <dead_root> good we want nothing in /etc/lts.conf
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07:38 | but can you tell me what is in /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf
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07:39 | <Ghidorah> I'm assuming that should be located on the the root correct?
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07:39 | <dead_root> correct
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07:39 | <Ghidorah> I do not have a /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf
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07:39 | <dead_root> probably /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.con
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07:40 | <Ghidorah> SERVER=172.16.18.1 PORT=80 ENABLE_SSL=N INVENTORY=Y TIMEOUT=2
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07:40 | <dead_root> good
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07:40 | is apache running on your root server?
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07:40 | <Ghidorah> Yes
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07:40 | I'm able to get to the LTSP-Cluster Control Center
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07:41 | I have these settings configured on it
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07:41 | LANG='en_EN.UTF-8' XKBLAYOUT='en' TIMESERVER='172.16.17.1' LDM_DIRECTX='True' SCREEN_07='ldm' LDM_SERVER='%LOADBALANCER%'
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07:41 | <dead_root> thats all good
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07:41 | in the control center, can you click on terminal logs and see if it even sees the clients booting?
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07:42 | <Ghidorah> there are several entries
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07:43 | 2011-05-10 10:36:59 2 00:0C:29:43:FE:17 172.16.22.201 172.16.18.1 172.16.18.1 Login screen
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07:43 | is one such login
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07:43 | err entry.
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07:43 | <dead_root> ok click on the Control Center's settings tab, that does it show for the URL of the load balancer
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07:43 | <Ghidorah> Load balancer URL (Default value : localhost:8001) 172.16.18.1
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07:44 | <dead_root> try this command on the root server
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07:44 | /etc/init.d/ltsp-cluster-;bserver restart
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07:44 | shit
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07:44 | /etc/init.d/ltsp-cluster-lbserver restart
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07:44 | lol
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07:44 | dam fat fingers
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07:45 | <Ghidorah> failed
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07:45 | to start :(
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07:45 | <dead_root> really? what error did it give you?
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07:45 | <Ghidorah> just [fail]
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07:45 | <dead_root> lmfao
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07:45 | <Ghidorah> I'm not sure where it logs its failure events at
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07:46 | <dead_root> try looking at /var/log/ltsp-cluster-lbserver.log
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07:47 | <Ghidorah> Cannot retrieve node 'ltsp-appserv01', error:<class 'socket.timeout'>
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07:47 | should ltsp-appserv01 be a resolvable host?
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07:48 | <dead_root> it shouldn't need to, mine are not
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07:48 | did you install ltsp-cluster-lbagent ltsp-cluster-accountmanager on the app server?
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07:49 | <Ghidorah> Both.
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07:49 | <dead_root> can you do an nmap of your app server and see if port 8000 is open?
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07:50 | <Ghidorah> Will do
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07:51 | 8000/tcp open http-alt
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07:51 | open on ltspapp1
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07:51 | <dead_root> well thats just weird
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07:53 | <Ghidorah> shouldn't ltsp-cluster-lbserver be able to start whether or not the app server is up?
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07:55 | <dead_root> i am not sure, never had a situation where the lbserver would not start
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07:56 | i got to run to a meeting though, if you are still having issues in a hour i will try to help more, sorry man
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07:56 | <Ghidorah> Thanks for all your help!
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07:56 | Talk to you later.
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08:46 | <Zarrku_> you around alkisg
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08:46 | <alkisg> ?
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08:46 | <Zarrku_> I was able to successfully install edubuntu 10.10 on the thin client
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08:47 | <alkisg> Did you do anything specific? Or it just worked out of the box/
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08:47 | ?
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08:47 | <Zarrku_> I did not get an invalid card error
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08:47 | Worked right out of the box
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08:47 | <alkisg> Please forget about that invalid card error
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08:47 | It's not related to your problem
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08:47 | <Zarrku_> oaky
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08:47 | okay
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08:48 | <alkisg> OK, so, boot the client with edubuntu, and put to pastebin (1) /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and (2) the output of lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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08:50 | <Zarrku_> do we type this in terminal?
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08:50 | what is put to pastebin
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08:50 | <alkisg> http://pastebin.com/
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09:06 | <Zarrku_> http://pastebin.com/J6szsL5L
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09:09 | Is that what you needed?
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09:21 | <alkisg> Zarrku_: ok, now it's time to boot it as a thin client.
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09:21 | First of all, do other clients boot?
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09:21 | (thin clients)
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09:21 | <Zarrku_> we only have the dell thin clients
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09:21 | <alkisg> OK, then you can try with a virtualbox client
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09:22 | Because if something is wrong with your chroot, there's no point in troubleshooting specific hardware...
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09:22 | Install virtualbox on your server, create a client in bridged mode, and netboot it
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09:24 | (06:46:43 PM) Zarrku_: I was able to successfully install edubuntu 10.10 on the thin client ==> from the logs I assume it's 11.04
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09:25 | So keep in mind that you tested a different release
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09:27 | <Zarrku_> I am able to boot a different machine via the ltsp on the 10.10 edubuntu server I am running
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09:27 | it is a different model Dell
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09:28 | <alkisg> OK. So I assume that something was fixed from the 10.10 you have on your server, to the 11.04 you tried locally on your thin client
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09:28 | <Zarrku_> the problem is the same in both 10.10 and in 11.04
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09:28 | <alkisg> It doesn't make much sense. But ok. What do you have on your server now? 10.10/
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09:28 | ?
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09:29 | <Zarrku_> yes 10.10
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09:29 | it does the same thing on both version
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09:29 | when booted as a thin client
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09:29 | <alkisg> OK. What does it do exactly? (besides the invalid card error, forget about that)
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09:33 | <Zarrku_> it starts booting, gives the error invalid card at the 10.10/11.04 ' ' ' ' ..invalid card and then reboots and repeats over and over
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09:34 | in a loop
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09:34 | <alkisg> It completely reboots? Or it just restarts X windows?
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09:34 | <Zarrku_> just restarts
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09:35 | <alkisg> OK. Try this:
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09:35 | sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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09:35 | There, put:
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09:35 | [Default]
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09:35 | SCREEN_07=shell
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09:35 | Reboot the client. What do you see?
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09:38 | <Zarrku_> i will give it a try
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09:38 | hold on
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10:06 | <dead_root> Ghidorah did you issue ever get fixed?
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10:07 | <Ghidorah> Nah, I decided the carpet bomb approach might work...
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10:07 | I'm reverting back to Ubuntu 10.04
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10:08 | I'm guessing you run LTSP-Cluster? Do you run it in a school setting?
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10:19 | <Zarrku_> okay, alkisg. it booted into a shell
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10:19 | no errors
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10:19 | <alkisg> Zarrku_: ok. Now, try: X -configure
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10:41 | <Zarrku_> type that in the terminal
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10:41 | or add it to the lts file
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10:44 | alkisg?
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10:49 | <alkisg> Zarrku_: is it possible to do it a little more synchronized?
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10:49 | yes, type it to the terminal
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10:53 | <Zarrku_> sorry man
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10:53 | i work on my its help desk
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10:54 | people scream help, and i get pulled away
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10:54 | <alkisg> OK - at least don't hurry for my answers then, I also do various stuff. Wait for 10 mins or so, I'll see it eventually
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10:57 | <Zarrku_> okay done
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10:58 | <alkisg> Now it should tell you to try it, with "X -config <path to file"
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10:58 | Do that
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10:59 | E.g.: X -config /root/xorg-new.conf
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10:59 | ...or something similar
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11:01 | <Zarrku_> the screen blinked and is now all black
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11:01 | after typing inthe command
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11:01 | <alkisg> No mouse?
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11:01 | <Zarrku_> no mouse
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11:02 | <alkisg> If you press alt+ctrl+f1, do you get a login prompt?
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11:02 | <Zarrku_> no
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11:02 | <alkisg> Very weird.
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11:03 | <Zarrku_> i know huh
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11:03 | <alkisg> OK, then do all the steps again, but after "X -configure", put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin
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11:03 | To do that more easily, "scp" can help you
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11:03 | E.g. scp /var/log/Xorg.*.log zarrku@server:
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11:06 | <Zarrku_> you want the log fiel on the server, right
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11:06 | file
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11:06 | <alkisg> The log file from the client
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11:07 | But it's difficult to put it to pastebin, e.g. you might not even have internet access on your client, that's why I suggested to run "scp" from SCREEN_07 on your client
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11:08 | <Zarrku_> it has internet but i cant
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11:08 | use it
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11:08 | because theres no desktop
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11:08 | <alkisg> Then, you can do: apt-get install pastebinit
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11:09 | pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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11:09 | (if you have other numbers than 0.log there, put those too)
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11:18 | <Zarrku_> cant install pastebinit
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11:18 | <alkisg> apt-get update
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11:18 | apt-get install pastebinit
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11:19 | <Zarrku_> somthing about cant reach ftp internal server
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11:19 | <alkisg> Then maybe your client doesn't have internet and you need nat on your server
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11:19 | Do the other command, with the scp
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11:25 | <Zarrku_> scp /var/log/Xorg.*.log isdept@gblinux: <-- server name
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11:25 | <alkisg> No, use the word "server"
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11:25 | scp /var/log/Xorg.*.log isdept@server:
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11:29 | <Zarrku_> no such file or directory
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11:29 | <alkisg> ls /var/log/Xorg*
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11:29 | No such file there?
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11:31 | <Zarrku_> ls can not access directory: no such file or directory
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11:31 | <alkisg> Hmmmm
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11:32 | <Zarrku_> ls: can not access : no such file or directory
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11:32 | is what the exact message is
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11:32 | <alkisg> And you're absolute sure that those 3 things are true, right? (1) the client boots with 10.10 locally installed, (2) it cannot boot with 10.10 as an ltsp client, and (3) other clients can boot from the same installation
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11:33 | <Zarrku_> yes
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11:34 | <alkisg> It doesn't make sense. Well, next, I'd install ssh to the chroot so that I can access the logs after the client crashes
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11:34 | <Zarrku_> I have a dell gx240 that boots fine
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11:34 | <alkisg> There shouldn't be anything different in X initialization in 10.10 locally and 10.10 as a thin client
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11:35 | Unless you only tried 11.04 locally, and 10.10 as a thin client => in that case try a 11.04 chroot
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11:35 | <Zarrku_> either one does the same thing
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11:35 | <alkisg> Well the only thing I can advice then is to install ssh to the chroot so that you can get the xorg logs
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11:36 | <Zarrku_> okay somethings changed
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11:37 | I am able to get a desktop log on now
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11:37 | <alkisg> How did that happen?!
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11:37 | <Zarrku_> I added a # in front of Xserver=vesa inthe lts.conf file
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11:37 | but
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11:38 | <alkisg> Well I told you to use a clean lts.conf file, with only screen_07=shell there... :(
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11:38 | <Zarrku_> i did
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11:38 | this is after
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11:38 | but
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11:38 | heres the problem
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11:39 | i stil cant load a ubuntu desktop
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11:39 | I can however load a XFCE desktop
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11:39 | with no problems
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11:39 | <alkisg> Try disabling compiz on the server, let me get you the command for that...
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11:40 | <Zarrku_> that makes no sense
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11:40 | <alkisg> sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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11:40 | Why it makes no sense?
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11:41 | <Zarrku_> because isnt is still using the default lts.conf file
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11:42 | <alkisg> lts.conf doesn't have anything to do with compiz
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11:42 | That's a gconf command, not related to ltsp
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11:42 | <Zarrku_> let me try that command on the server
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11:42 | no not u
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11:43 | I was saying why would XFCE desktop work and not ubuntu
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11:43 | <alkisg> Because of compiz
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11:43 | (one out of many possibilities)
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11:46 | <Xarrku> alkisg can you please repost that command again
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11:46 | <alkisg> sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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11:46 | Then just login on the client, no reboot necessary
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11:47 | <Xarrku> with XFCE
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11:47 | <alkisg> With gnome
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11:47 | <Xarrku> kk
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11:49 | it worked
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11:50 | <alkisg> Nice. I still wonder what happened with lts.conf though
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11:50 | <Xarrku> im not sure
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11:50 | this has been very trying for me
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11:50 | being a linux noob
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11:50 | <alkisg> You did well though :)
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11:51 | Had enough patience to get through it
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11:52 | <Xarrku> Well I should say me and my boss
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11:52 | When I said we earily, my boss was talking to me
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11:52 | talking to you
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11:53 | hes alot knowledgeable then me in linux
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11:53 | but it stumped him too
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11:53 | but thank you
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11:53 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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12:51 | <alkisg> vagrantc: are you involved in the ipxe packaging? I filed this wishlist bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626238
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12:53 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i was, but stalled out on licensing and someone else basically took it over
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12:53 | alkisg: but yes, i saw your bug ... if i get a chance i'll propose a complete patch.
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12:53 | <alkisg> Thank you :) It does belong in ipxe and not in grub, right?
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12:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the tricky part is i think it's an architecture all package, but the bootloader stuff should only happen on i386/amd64
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12:54 | <alkisg> I was thinking that I could also file it against grub, i.e. to check if /usr/lib/ipxe/ipxe.lkrn is there, and if so, to use it
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12:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes, it belongs in ipxe
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12:54 | <alkisg> Ok, good
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12:54 | <vagrantc> or an ipxe-specific package
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12:55 | that's what /etc/grub.d is for ... to make it easy for packages to have add-ons
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12:55 | <alkisg> Isn't it possible to have a binary i386/amd64 package generated from the same source package?
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12:56 | <vagrantc> yes, could generate a separate package
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12:57 | it seems like a small thin for a standalone package, but maybe that would be just fine
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12:57 | small thing
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12:58 | <alkisg> That's what I did in a draft gpxe-grub package I put in my ppa 1 year ago - but I put "Architecture: all" instead of i386/amd64...
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12:58 | (based on your package - I only changed a few lines)
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12:59 | <vagrantc> it's a tricky issue ... the justification for arch: all is essentially that it's data only ... i.e. it's not used directly, so the files could be usefully installed on any architecture
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12:59 | and then you could burn the roms or make an iso with them or whater
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12:59 | whatever
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12:59 | but for the /boot stuff, it's clearly architecture-specific
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13:00 | we'll see what waldi says (though he tends to be very terse)
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13:08 | <alkisg> Hehe the lightdm greeter is called "ldm-gtk-greeter" :D
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13:31 | <vagrantc> hrm?
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13:31 | ldm-gtk-greeter has been around long before lightdm
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13:31 | it's the default greeter
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13:41 | <alkisg> It's "ldmgtkgreet" in LDM, vs "ldm-gtk-greeter" in LightDM
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13:43 | <vagrantc> oh
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13:43 | has anyone experiemented with timeoutd to limit sessions?
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13:44 | * vagrantc wonders if it logs out cleanly | |
13:45 | <Hyperbyte> Wait, this is interesting. I'm considering implementing a logoff and shutdown for thin clients after X amount of idle.
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13:46 | LTSP has something built in for this? Or is timeoutd something you're implementing?
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13:49 | <vagrantc> timeoutd is a package in debian (and presumably ubuntu)
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13:50 | LTSP could make use of it
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13:50 | i'm looking at ways to have anonymous/kiosk style logins automatically log out after idle time and setting a session time limit
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13:52 | so that someone doesn't walk up near the 2 hour limit, and get automatically logged off without warning
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13:52 | <andygraybeal> i would love to have this functionality
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13:52 | <vagrantc> me too
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13:53 | there's nothing LTSP-specific about it, really ... though obviously useful in an LTSP environment
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13:53 | seems like a custom screensaver would be perfect
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13:53 | <andygraybeal> report back to me on the progress :P first priority!
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13:53 | <Hyperbyte> I was thinking about running a script on LDM startup, which sleeps for 5 minutes and then checks if someone is logged in yet. And if not, shutdown.
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13:54 | This wouldn't help with logging out users that stay logged in though, just with the ones logging out and leaving their PC on.
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13:54 | <alkisg> A custom screensaver wouldn't be able to enforce time limits... only idle timeouts
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13:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: still, that's useful
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13:55 | <alkisg> Indeed. Although it won't work in Ubuntu as it's patched to force a "blank" screensaver on ltsp clients :D
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13:55 | <andygraybeal> yea, i would only want my stuff to log out of two days idle, or something.
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13:55 | <alkisg> That timeoutd looks very good though
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13:55 | <vagrantc> using "timeout" in a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ i can enforce the time limits
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13:56 | well, it works, although it didn't seem to give notification
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13:56 | timeoutd works
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14:00 | <andygraybeal> i'm very happy you guys are talking about this - my users have wanted it for forever.. and i reseaarched it a while ago.. and i couldn't get it to work right
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14:01 | <Hyperbyte> Wait. Your users actually WANT automatic logouts?
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14:01 | <Hyperbyte> Mine want to leave their PC's on all the time, logged in if possible, to save them from having to start it up in the morning.
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14:01 | I absolutely hate them for that. Heheh.
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15:43 | <abeehc> !compiz
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23:02 | <niki> fat client can use local disk as storage ?
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23:02 | Nick change: niki -> Guest63265 | |
23:03 | <Guest63265> fat client can use local disk as storage ?
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23:07 | <vagrantc> Guest63265: yes and no...
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23:07 | Guest63265: i wouldn't recommend it
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23:08 | <Guest63265> vagrantc: why ? I need to use my client with local hardisk ..can we do it using fat client
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23:09 | <vagrantc> you loose many of the advantages of centralized management ...
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23:10 | <Guest63265> vagrantc : k but let me know if possible ?
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23:11 | <vagrantc> yes, it's possible.
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23:11 | no, there's no documentation for it.
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23:11 | Guest63265: how many times have you asked this question?
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23:23 | <Guest63265> vagrantc : tell me whether it is possible or not
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