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Channel log from 10 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:42 | <maulanar> hi all, trying to get LTSP5 on Suse 10 64bit
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| 02:42 | to be more specific, trying to get localdev working
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| 02:44 | <cyberorg> maulanar, how do you install ltsp5:
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| 02:44 | *did
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| 02:46 | <maulanar> followed these instructions http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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| 02:47 | <klausade> sbalneav: didi you see my question about problem with X_RAMPERC and that ldm wont start with the X_RAMPERC patch?
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| 02:47 | <maulanar> also had to create a soft link for the Xsession file coz Suse doesn't have it
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| 02:48 | <cyberorg> maulanar, are you using it in production?
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| 02:48 | <maulanar> not yet, i need to sort out this localdev issue
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| 02:50 | i followed the ubuntu debug steps (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev) and all seems ok, but still nothing on the desktop
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| 02:51 | <cyberorg> maulanar, we are working on native ltsp5 for suse see http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=ltsp-developer
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| 02:51 | it is not production ready yet, but more people testing would be nice :)
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| 02:54 | <maulanar> is there a work around in the mean time to get around the localdev issue
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| 02:54 | ?
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| 02:55 | <cyberorg> only local disks
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| 02:56 | <maulanar> i meant to get localdev working, is there some hack?
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| 02:56 | <garbat> Blank to all. What I must modify in order to add an other thin client to my system? I have understood that enough not to modify dhcpd.conf why the client endured blinking jams with an hyphen after to have had IP address
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| 02:57 | <cyberorg> maulanar, yes, but only of local harddisk, usb and cdroms
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| 02:58 | <maulanar> cyberorg: very cool! that's really all i'm interested in right now. how do i get it to work?
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| 02:59 | <cyberorg> maulanar, see at the bottom of this page http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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| 03:21 | <maulanar> cyberor: just tried that but the folder is empty
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| 03:21 | mount shows up in fstab
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| 03:23 | <cyberorg> maulanar, those instructions are for suse, as suse auto mounts everything in /media
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| 03:23 | donno where ubuntu automounts shows up though
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| 03:25 | check /var/run/drives
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| 03:39 | <Daggett> hi all
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| 04:25 | <maulanar> cyberorg: still no joy, i think i'll have to try opensuse with kiwi
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| 04:26 | <ogra> maulanar, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 04:26 | (since you are using the tarball ...)
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| 04:26 | <cyberorg> moin ogra :)
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| 04:26 | <ogra> hey hey
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| 04:26 | <dberkholz> evening/morning, ogra
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| 04:26 | pick your favorite time zone
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| 04:28 | <ogra> nearly noon here ... i think i'll be mediocre today and pick europe :)
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| 04:29 | <dberkholz> X summit going this week. i'm not there, but thought you might like to know there's someone representing thin clients
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| 04:29 | <ogra> maulanar, you need the ltspfs package on the server
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| 04:29 | <cyberorg> maulanar, ssh into the client and find out where it mounts stuff and mount that folder on the user's session using ltspfs
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| 04:29 | <dberkholz> from someplace called ndiyo or something like that
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| 04:29 | <ogra> never heard of that
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| 04:29 | but thats intresting
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| 04:31 | cyberorg, there is an error in the suse page:
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| 04:31 | "Note: This needs to be done by LTSP5's delayed_mounter script, which needs to be fixed to work with openSUSE"
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| 04:31 | must be
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| 04:31 | "Note: This needs to be done by LTSP5's ltspfsmounter script, which needs to be fixed to work with openSUSE"
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| 04:31 | <cyberorg> ogra, delayed_mounter is gone?
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| 04:31 | <ogra> (thats on the server side, delayed_mounter is client side)
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| 04:32 | no, but delayed mounter cant create dirs on the server ;)
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| 04:32 | <maulanar> ogra: ltspfs installed. box is 64bit but had to install 32bit version of fuse to get it work on ltsp4.2u3
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| 04:32 | <ogra> oh, well, aned its gone as well in favor of new ldm scripts
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| 04:32 | <maulanar> cyberorg: drives are being mounted to /var/run/drives
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| 04:32 | <dberkholz> ogra: ltsp got any use for the new input hotplug stuff in X?
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| 04:32 | <maulanar> browsing shows empty dir
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| 04:32 | <ogra> maulanar, ltspfs from 4.2 isnt remotely compatible with what ltsp5 does
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| 04:33 | you need the package from ubuntu (or at least all scipts from it, ltspfs itself didnt change that much, but its integration)
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| 04:33 | <maulanar> ogra: where do i get ltspfs package for ltsp5?
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| 04:34 | <ogra> no idea where to get it for suse, sorry
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| 04:34 | <maulanar> ogra: source?
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| 04:34 | <ogra> you could probably use something like alien to convert it
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| 04:34 | the yource package is here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs
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| 04:35 | *source
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| 04:35 | <cyberorg> maulanar, http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/cyberorg/ has ltsp-server package
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| 04:35 | <Daggett> I've searched for a while and on the wiki, but still can't find how to get USB sticks to work on the clients, All seems OK, but it deosn't work, any help?
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| 04:35 | <cyberorg> sorry, you'd need ltspfs and ltspfs-server packages
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| 04:35 | <ogra> maulanar, the plain C code for the binaries is in this bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltspfs/ltspfs-upstream
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| 04:36 | Daggett, which ltsp release/distro
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| 04:36 | <Daggett> 4.2
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| 04:36 | Mandriva 2007.1
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| 04:36 | <ogra> there is a troubleshooting page on the ltsp wiki
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| 04:37 | <Daggett> ogra: I've read it, and I'm stucked at step 11 of the http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev page
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| 04:38 | All seems OK, but nothing is ever mounted anywhere
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| 04:40 | * ogra is not very familiar with that old code ... its unmaintained since 2 years now ... | |
| 04:40 | <Daggett> It had worked in the past, and it always have been quiest easy to set all things up, and in 10 minutes rhe USB storage things where working, but this time, I can't figure out what's wrong
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| 04:40 | <ogra> Daggett, best to wait if sbalneav shows up here
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| 04:40 | <Daggett> ok, thanks, I'll wait
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| 04:42 | <maulanar> cyberorg: which ltsp-server package should install, 64 or 32 bit?
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| 04:43 | <cyberorg> maulanar, depends on your server, you just need ltspfs package if using ubuntu tarball
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| 04:44 | <maulanar> my server is a 64 bit machine, but i had problems with localdev on 4.2 when i installed 64 bit version of fuse
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| 04:44 | installing 32 bit version fixed the problem
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| 04:45 | <cyberorg> maulanar, run 'arch' use that one
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| 04:46 | if you installed 64bit suse, use x86_64, if it shows ix86, use i586 packages
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| 05:13 | <maulanar> cyberorg: where can i download fuse2.6 for x86_64?
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| 05:13 | <cyberorg> maulanar, using 10.2?
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| 05:14 | ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/
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| 05:14 | <maulanar> cyberorg, sled10 with service pack 1
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| 05:15 | <cyberorg> maulanar, hmm, wouldn't know about that, try 10.1 package it might work
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| 05:40 | <cliebow> Daggett:seems i had to compile something for 64 bit...
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| 05:42 | Daggett:seems i had to compile something for 64 bit...
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| 05:42 | ummm..hav to look at school
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| 05:55 | <maulanar> cyberorg: downloaded installed ltspfs and fuse (2.6 required) and seems to be working
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| 05:55 | <cyberorg> maulanar, cool :)
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| 05:56 | <maulanar> problem now seems to be that clients slow down after logging in and out several times
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| 05:56 | and also need an automagic script to automatically mount media dir
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| 05:58 | <cyberorg> maulanar, do you hack ?
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| 05:59 | <maulanar> cyberorg: ?
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| 05:59 | <cyberorg> maulanar, do you do programming?
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| 06:02 | <maulanar> cyberorg, no
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| 06:02 | <cyberorg> k
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| 06:06 | <maulanar> cyberorg, where is the delayed_mounter script called from?
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| 06:06 | <cyberorg> maulanar, that is on the client
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| 06:06 | ltspfsmounter is in server
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| 06:07 | maulanar, if you are planning to look into that, don't, as new ldm2 obsoletes all that
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| 06:07 | <maulanar> cyberorg, ok. when is ldm2 available
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| 06:07 | ?
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| 06:08 | <cyberorg> maulanar, it is under development, but you can get the test packages as mentioned in the ltsp-devel post
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| 06:10 | <maulanar> cyberorg, thanks a lot for the help man, really appreciate it
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| 06:10 | looks good now, devices are being mounted in the media folder automatically
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| 06:11 | just need to disable mounting of floppy and i'm smiling!!
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| 06:36 | <cyberorg> maulanar, sorry lost internet connection there, " you can get ldm2 in the test packages as mentioned in the ltsp-devel post"
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| 06:38 | <ogra> cyberorg, note that the new security mechanism in ldm2 will require the ltspfs(d) 0.5 packages
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| 06:39 | <cyberorg> ogra, from here? https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltspfs/ltspfs-upstream
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| 06:40 | <ogra> yeah
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| 06:41 | <cyberorg> ok, will update those as well :)
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| 06:41 | <ogra> :)
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| 06:41 | paths changed and ldm set an mcookie for authentication now ...
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| 06:41 | <cyberorg> ogra, how do we identify if we are running nfs root or nbd root, is there an option in lts.conf?
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| 06:41 | <ogra> without that you wont be able to mount anymore
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| 06:42 | <ogra> well, in ubuntu/debian you can see it in the BOOT= variable of initramfs
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| 06:42 | <cyberorg> i've no idea what you said, but i'll try and get that working :p
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| 06:42 | <ogra> if thats set to ltsdp-nbd, the initramfs will expect an nbs image on the server
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| 06:43 | *nbd
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| 06:43 | <cyberorg> ogra, i wanted to know for bind mounts thing, i do not need to run those if we are using nbdroot, as it uses aufs
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| 06:44 | <ogra> right
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| 06:44 | if you use unionfs/aufs you wiont need bind_mounts()
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| 06:44 | <cyberorg> in init script i would have to put something like if nfs then; bind_mount,
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| 06:44 | <ogra> we have a variable for that
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| 06:44 | <cyberorg> is that specified in lts.conf?
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| 06:45 | <ogra> root_write_method="unionfs"
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| 06:45 | <cyberorg> where?
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| 06:45 | <ogra> its specified in /etc/default/ltsp-client-setup in the client chroot
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| 06:45 | which is sourced by the initscript
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| 06:45 | <cyberorg> ok, will change there
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| 06:46 | <ogra> if thats set, the client relies on unionfs making the root writeable
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| 06:48 | <cyberorg> ogra, that is handled by kiwi netboot image for us, it uses aufs, or unionfs in that order according to availability
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| 06:49 | <ogra> yeah, what i meant is that you have to take care elsewhere :)
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| 06:49 | <cyberorg> bind mounts are handled by ltsp-client.init script
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| 06:49 | <ogra> the script simply wont do anything
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| 06:49 | right
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| 06:49 | <cyberorg> i'll put if clause there so bind mounts are only run when using nfs
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| 06:50 | <ogra> right
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| 06:50 | we should automate that :)
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| 06:50 | <cyberorg> captain_magnus, did you get nbdswapd working using xinetd ?
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| 06:50 | <captain_magnus> cyberorg: No, not yet... Didn't look at it again today...
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| 06:51 | <cyberorg> i saw one change in your last commit :)
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| 06:51 | <captain_magnus> It executes the script alright but nbd-server returns a 1, which seems to indicate that xinetd doesn't supply the stream to stdin (or something like that)
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| 06:51 | cyberorg: Don't mind that commit... It doesn't work :-)
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| 06:52 | <cyberorg> ogra, anyone uses nbdswap with xinetd?
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| 06:52 | the altlinux guys?
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| 07:00 | <BlackDark> morning
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| 07:00 | <ogra> cyberorg, not that i'm aware of
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| 07:00 | i think even alt doesnt use nonfree licensed tools in their default :)
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| 07:00 | <BlackDark> ogra : is that a way to limit how much memory xorg could use on the terminals ?
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| 07:01 | <ogra> BlackDark, only in the latest development version, it was recently added
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| 07:01 | <BlackDark> I have an anoying bug with that : when a user open a web page with a lot of big pictures, it endup to freeze the terminal
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| 07:01 | <ogra> BlackDark, how much ram do the clents have ?
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| 07:01 | <BlackDark> 128 megs
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| 07:02 | <ogra> that should be plenty
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| 07:02 | <BlackDark> 16 megs are dedicated for the videoram
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| 07:02 | so 112 megs of ram
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| 07:02 | I use the stock version of ltsp of feisty
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| 07:02 | I got the problem with firefox and evince
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| 07:03 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/137764
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| 07:04 | <BlackDark> ogra, thanks
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| 07:05 | <ogra> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy/revision/sbalneav%40edubuntu-20070901162745-h4t4at4omasg3gy9?start_revid=sbalneav%40edubuntu-20070910014307-4q3w829z01czkh4s
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| 07:06 | the change to teh screen.d script is what you want, it needs to happen in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm
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| 07:06 | then you can set X_RAMPERC in lts.conf
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| 07:07 | <Blinny> Hot topic lately.
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| 07:07 | <ogra> (laternatively you could just set "ulimit -v 100M" or so on /etc/rc.local in the chroot
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| 07:11 | <BlackDark> if I onnly set the ulimit to 100M, what gonna happen ? just to kill the session ?
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| 07:24 | ok, just noticed the code to add to ldm
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| 07:24 | it's gonna set the limnit
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| 07:38 | <ogra> it will crash firefox rather than the whole system
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| 07:39 | not a big improvement, but at least prevents dataloss
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| 07:39 | the real fix needs to go into FF
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| 07:40 | <BlackDark> off course
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| 07:49 | <BlackDark> ogra, what kind of values can set to X_RAMPERC in lts.conf ?
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| 07:49 | can I put somehting like 100M ?
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| 07:50 | <ogra> i think so
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| 07:50 | it shoul be documented in the 4.2 docs anywhere on ltsp.org i guess
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| 08:07 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:07 | <BlackDark> morning
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| 08:09 | where is stored ltsp-update-image on feisty ?
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| 08:11 | <sbalneav> It isn't there on feisty. It's new for gutsy.
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| 08:11 | <ogra> it doesnt exist in feisty
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| 08:11 | <BlackDark> ok
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| 08:12 | <ogra> (thats why feisty is so much slower than gutsy ;) )
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| 08:13 | <BlackDark> the keepalive thing for nbdrootd, does it have to be on the client or the server ?
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| 08:14 | <ogra> server
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| 08:15 | it triggers the tcp wrapper of inetd to check if the connection is alive
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| 08:19 | <BlackDark> so if I put the ulimit thing in my rc.local at the client side, it's gonna prevent the terminal freezing, right ?
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| 08:20 | <ogra> it should, yes
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| 08:21 | <BlackDark> ok good thanks
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| 08:21 | can I apply that without rebooting the terminal ?
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| 08:22 | I understand if I set the limit in a console, it';s gonna apply that only for the logged in user
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| 08:22 | <ogra> you need to reboot
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| 08:44 | <BlackDark> ogra : I putted : ulimit -v 102400 in my etc/rc.local, but the limit doesn't seems to be there
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| 08:44 | after the reboot, if I do a ulimit -a the virtual memory is still unlimited
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> BlackDark: in dash, use ulimit -m
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| 08:45 | <ogra> yeah, i pointed you to the older version with ulimit -v in the code, sorry
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| 08:45 | <BlackDark> np
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| 08:48 | ok I can set the memory limits with ulimits but what's the difference with /etc/security./limits ?
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| 08:49 | limits.conf sorry
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| 08:55 | <ogra> that sets system wide limits
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| 08:56 | <ogra> running the ulimit in the screen.d script will only limit it for the current and subsequent processes (X and friends)
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| 08:56 | * ogra shows off with knowledge sbalneav just tought him ;) | |
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| 08:57 | <BlackDark> I wondering if I set the limit in rc.local, it's not gonna apply to x, ldm and so far
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> That's what knowledge is for, sharing :)
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> speaking of knowledge sharing, thanks again guys for the help on Friday
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> Cripes
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| 09:41 | Carpet cleaners were in on Friday downstairs
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| 09:41 | I've got at least 4 boxes that are completely fried
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| 09:42 | They blew the circuit breakers. I'm sitting here with a blackened power bar. Gonna try to open up one of the monitors, see how bad the damage is. Maybe I can just replace some caps.
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> g'morning kidz
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> mornin jammcq!
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| 10:15 | <Guaraldo> hi, all!
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| 10:52 | <eurialo> hi, i'm running ltsp5 on debian etch. How can i set client monitor frequency?
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| 10:57 | <BlackDark> eurialo, check in that document : http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 11:00 | <eurialo> i have to use X_VERTREFRESH and X_HORZSYNC ?
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| 11:01 | <BlackDark> what problem do you have excatly ?
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| 11:05 | <eurialo> the monitor go out of frequency
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| 11:08 | <BlackDark> if you know what freq to set, use X_VERTREFRESH and X_HORZSYNC
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| 11:09 | <eurialo> can i also use XF86CONFIG_FILE directive?
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| 11:12 | <cliebow_> BlackDark
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| 11:13 | BlackDark:this in ltsp5?
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| 11:13 | <BlackDark> should be
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| 11:13 | I know the variables are existing, but never gave them a try
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| 11:14 | <cliebow_> you should be able to look up all honored directives fro lts.conf
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| 11:17 | lts-parameters.txt.gz in your chroot
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| 11:21 | <BlackDark> for those using apache 1.3, there is a new version, 2 security issues fixed
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: think there's some typo's in you client/screen_session ...
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| 12:37 | sbalneav: if [ ${#SCREEN_NUM} ....
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| 12:37 | sbalneav: think it should be: if [ ${SCREEN_NUM} ...
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| 12:38 | sbalneav: i'd also say we can drop /dev/vc/ stuff ...
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| 12:38 | sbalneav: nevermind. i see what you're doing
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| 12:45 | hmmm... i'm thinking we should use the exported SCREEN_NUM variable instead of calling tty in each screen script
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| 12:52 | <dan__t> yo, vagrantc
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| 12:52 | i kinda disappeared there for a bit heh.
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> howdy
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| 13:02 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "patch to screen_session" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/314
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: check that patch out ... i think it's easier to read, and one line shorter.
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| 13:03 | sbalneav: though i'm wondering if that code block ever gets executed ... it's in an if statement, and i *think* the first if statement is the one that gets used.
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Ah, nicely done.
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: :)
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| 13:08 | sbalneav: though i think we can safely drop the /dev/vc/ stuff
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> yeah, I don't think it ever gets executed at all.
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| 13:09 | yeah, vc was 2.4, was I right?
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| 13:09 | <vagrantc> devfs, i think
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 13:09 | yeah
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| 13:09 | <vagrantc> so on some older 2.6 it was there
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> I think all the distros have switched to udev by now, eh?
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> i'magine
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| 13:10 | so, looking at the code execution ... i think i see when that code block gets executed ... it's crazy, really...
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> Yeah, it's if it's called with no params.
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| 13:11 | THEORETICALLY :), what we could do is either 1) start screen_session from inittab or 2) upstart. I think that's what it's for.
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> well, it calls itself when called with a param
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| 13:12 | it is some crazy-ass redirection there
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| 13:12 | <sbalneav> really? *looks*
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> i think the init script calls it, it figures out why tty it should run on, and then exec's itself on the new tty ...
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| 13:13 | <sbalneav> exec <$TTY >$TTY 2>&1 ? That re-calls itself?
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> what do you think it does ?
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| 13:14 | admittedly, i'm confused.
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> I thought it was simply re-directing standard in from $TTY, and out.
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| 13:14 | not re-executing the script.
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> i'll believe you.
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> Don't ! :)
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| 13:14 | here, lemme try something...
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| 13:18 | #!/bin/sh
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| 13:18 | exec </dev/tty10 >/dev/tty10 2>&1
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| 13:18 | while true; do
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| 13:18 | echo "FOOO"
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| 13:18 | read X
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| 13:18 | echo $X
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| 13:18 | done
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| 13:18 | yeah, it just makes /dev/tty10 your stdin and stdout.
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| 13:19 | so the case stuff's just if it's started from inetd/upstart, and is ALREADY set a controlling terminal to that tty, and so passed with no params.
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| 13:20 | i.e. you could do a 2:23:respawn:/usr/lib/ltsp/screen_session
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| 13:21 | since you're already on tty2, the case code gets called
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| 13:21 | <sbalneav> So, I guess the question is: for the sake of simplification, do we want to eliminate that, since we don't bother adding commands to the inttab?
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: thoughts?
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it's not a huge amount of code to maintain for additional flexibility, especially if we put a couple comment lines in explaining likely uses
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| 13:24 | <sbalneav> ok, lets leave it in, but ditch the vc stuff?
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 13:24 | <sbalneav> k, I'll patch
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> hopefully getting a new upload to debian based on 5.0.27
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> ogra: wb
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| 13:29 | vagrantc: pushed
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| 13:29 | I added some comments.
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| 13:29 | <ogra> what are you guys conspiring again here ?
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> where else are we gonna conspire?
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> heh, we just made a small cosmetic change in screen_session. Removed some old 2.4/devfs code that was superfluous.
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| 13:30 | but if it piques your interest more, we're PLANNING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD, MUAHAHAHA
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| 13:30 | <ogra> still 2.4 code ?
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| 13:31 | i thought that was finally gone :)
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| 13:31 | <jammcq> ogra: don't worry, i'm watching over them
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| 13:31 | <mistik1> lol
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| 13:31 | <ogra> :)
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> right, that's why we should conspire somewhere else!
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| 13:31 | <sbalneav> yeah, looking for /dev/vc/1 as well as /dev/tty1
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| 13:31 | <mistik1> happy hackers makes for good code
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| 13:31 | <ogra> jorgec, hey colleaguge !!
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| 13:31 | <jammcq> just making sure their evil plan to take over the world actually makes sense
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| 13:31 | <ogra> jorgec, incognito, eh ?
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> screen_session requires bash ? :(
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| 13:32 | <jorgec> ogra: hey colleague. :D
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| 13:32 | * jammcq wonders if ogra is confusing mistik1 for whiprush | |
| 13:32 | <sbalneav> no, shouldn't
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| 13:32 | <ogra> jammcq, if the end result is world doination it must be ok :)
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| 13:32 | <BlackDark> jorgec, the same jorgec as in #Linux on arstechnica ?
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: there a bashism in there?
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| 13:32 | <jammcq> jorgec: hey dude
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| 13:32 | <ogra> jammcq, no, i dont think so, unless mistik1 works with me now :)
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| 13:32 | <jorgec> BlackDark: yeah
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| 13:33 | <mistik1> ogra: dont I wish
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| 13:33 | <BlackDark> jorgec, BlackDark is a cname for yhan
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| 13:34 | <jorgec> hi
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| 13:35 | <Blinny> Hello.
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: don't know if there's a bash'ism, but it's got #!/bin/bash
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> *looks*
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| 13:37 | So it does.
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| 13:37 | Wonder what other bash's we've got in there.
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| 13:37 | lets fix that.
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| 13:38 | there's nothing in there that should be bash specific, I'm going to do a quick grep -r for bash, see what other squirmy things are hiding under rocks
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> i think we use some bashisms for ltsp-build-client, but that shouldn't be a problem.
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> No, that's ok.
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| 13:41 | <ogra> no, its not
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| 13:41 | but not bad enough to delay a release :)
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> i seem to recall implementing something in ltsp-build-client that was an order of magnitude simpler with some features in bash. sure don't remember what...
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| 13:47 | <ogra> there were some bashisms iirc and it was close to release for one of us (if in doubt that was me) and we decided to postpone a proper fix
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| 13:49 | jammcq, can you bring me a riser card for the T170 to boston ?
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| 13:49 | * ogra got a DVB-S HD card on the weekend ... | |
| 13:50 | <jammcq> ogra: sure, if you remind me. although I'll warn you that the riser card doesn't provide 12v, only 5v which is a problem on some pci cards
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| 13:50 | <ogra> ah, well ...
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| 13:50 | i'll have to look up the documentation for the card
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| 13:50 | <jammcq> and you usually can't tell if you need 12v until you actually try it
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| 13:54 | <Blinny> Should I be able to see the results of XRAMPERC in 'ulimit -a' on a client's VT?
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| 13:57 | <ogra> jammcq, depends how good the docs are :)
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| 13:58 | * ogra remembers in his youth he had transistor radios with complete circuit diagrams in the manual | |
| 13:58 | <lns> Has anyone had success using wine/Firefox in an LTSP environment, along with Flash/shockwave plugins?
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| 13:59 | I'm running into a roadblock because I *need* shockwave functionality in Ubuntu/LTSP
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| 13:59 | <ogra> there is no shockwave for linux so you mean you want to run FF for windows under wine ?
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| 14:00 | <lns> ogra, correct (and hello!)
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| 14:00 | <ogra> wow, weird setup
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| 14:00 | <lns> yeah
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| 14:00 | the school district i'm working with right now has a couple of websites with SWF enabled games/educational tutorials that they've been using for years
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| 14:01 | <ogra> well, swf (flash) shouldnt be any problem
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| 14:01 | <lns> oh..maybe i said it wrong...it is shockwave (I thought that was swf along with flash)
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| 14:01 | they require shockwave..i'm using FF32 for flash and that works ok (with no sound)
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| 14:03 | <ogra> you need libflashsupport
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| 14:03 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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| 14:04 | <lns> is that re: flash sound?
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| 14:04 | <ogra> yes
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| 14:04 | <lns> ok, ty
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| 14:04 | <ogra> but i doubt adobe will ever release shockwave for linux ...
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| 14:04 | <lns> i seriously can't believe adobe doesn't have one already
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| 14:05 | have you seen the online petition for it? 26k signatures??
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| 14:05 | <ogra> no, i heard about it though
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| 14:05 | well, they likely have a BSD compatibe one for OSX
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| 14:05 | <lns> http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html
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| 14:05 | <ogra> shouldnt be to hard to port
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: ogra: ok, the only two bash's left on the client were in the screen scripts shell and telnet. I cleaned them up a bit, and I've pushed.
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| 14:06 | <ogra> thanks :)
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| 14:06 | <lns> ogra, if that were the case I would have thought it would have been done by now... maybe it just needs to be suggested
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| 14:07 | i see adobe's website has shockwave player available for osx download
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| 14:07 | so i guess they're clenching tightly
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| 14:11 | ogra, is there a libflashsupport for 64-bit arch?
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| 14:11 | <ogra> there is the source
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| 14:11 | you can build it
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| 14:11 | <lns> ok
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| 14:12 | <Blinny> Should I be able to see the results of XRAMPERC in 'ulimit -a' on a client's console?
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> no
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| 14:13 | Blinny: it's only for the X server process.
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| 14:13 | <Blinny> Ah. Thank you.
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| 14:14 | Just had an xserver crash and am wondering if it's related to previous out-of-mem xserver crashes
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| 14:14 | <BlackDark> Blinny, memory problem with firefox or so ?
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| 14:15 | <Blinny> Memory problem with something.
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| 14:15 | <BlackDark> try to open that page with the terminal : http://www.carteretcountyschools.org/bms/teacherwebs/sdavenport/artgallery6.htm
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| 14:15 | you gonna see if it's a x memory problem
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| 14:16 | <Blinny> BlackDark: Yes, I've been through the xrestop fun on that and other flash pages before.
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| 14:17 | <BlackDark> what os are you running ?
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| 14:18 | brb surprise meeting
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| 14:18 | Blinny, I'm trying to prevent same kind of problems, I'm running ubuntu feisty
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| 14:19 | <Blinny> I know. You're LTSP5. I'm 4.2
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| 15:07 | <joebaker> EMP Electromagnetic Pulse.... If the terrorists are able to detonate one of these bombs above the US lots of equipment will be rendered useless.
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| 15:07 | LTSP could play a big role in rebuilding the IT industry.
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| 15:09 | <joebaker> I've been studying the matter and will post notes as I go along here:
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| 15:09 | http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddxrpdvh_7gbgs8h
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> Including ltsp terminals
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| 15:09 | and ltsp servers.
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| 15:10 | As for your questions seeking answers:
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| 15:10 | 1) yes
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| 15:10 | <joebaker> Hi Scott. I've heard someone say that equipment that isn't turned on durring the blast may work.
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| 15:10 | <sbalneav> 2) no
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| 15:10 | 3) no
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| 15:11 | <joebaker> Thanks.
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> EMP will kill anything, turned on or not.
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| 15:12 | <joebaker> How may layers of heavy duty aluminum foil would be needed?
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> Dude. There's lots of problems in the world you could helping to solve, instead you're in #ltsp asking how many layers of aluminum foil to wrap things in?
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| 15:13 | <BlackDark> joebaker, it's not really true
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| 15:13 | it will all un protected equipements
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| 15:14 | * ogra thinks the amount of foil depends on the form of the hat, no ? | |
| 15:14 | <BlackDark> most of the computer rooms noawadays are build like a faraday cage
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| 15:14 | <joebaker> I've started a group called #emp if we should take the discussion over there.
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| 15:14 | <BlackDark> s/build/built/
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> Yeah, well, don't wait up for me to join.
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| 15:23 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: What does KLUDGE means?
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> Kludge? Quick and dirty hack.
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| 15:24 | Not elegant.
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| 15:24 | but works.
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| 15:24 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Does it is a verb?
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| 15:24 | I mean... Is it a verb?
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc_> more of a noun
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> Yeah, you can say "I'm going to kludge something together", or "I kludged a solution up for that bug". Keep it mind it's not a "real" word.
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc_> well, i guess it can be both
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> it's slang
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| 15:25 | It can also be an adjective.
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| 15:25 | <BlackDark> laters guys '
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> i.e. "Scott's solution for fixing X memory exhaustion is pretty kludgy"
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| 15:26 | etc.
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| 15:26 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: I'm kludging Xorg 7.1.1 on LTSP 4.2...
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> How come?
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| 15:27 | I thought you figured out that keyboard problem?
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| 15:27 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Taking all binary packages and liberies of Xorg 7.1.1 and unpacking in LTSP 4.2 chroot... I'm still testing the solution...
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| 15:28 | sbalneav: Yep... upgrading Xorg of LTSP 4.2
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| 15:28 | sbalneav: I don't know yet whitch new problems ome with my kludgy solution...
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| 15:29 | sbalneav: But I already booted a thin with Xorg7.1.1
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> What I don't understand is: rather than doing all that work on ltsp 4.2, which is essentially dead, why not work with me to figure out what you need in ltsp5, and work on that?
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| 15:30 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: I'm doing both paralelaly (is that right?)...
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| 15:31 | <sbalneav> in parallel.
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| 15:31 | * vagrantc_ wonders where in hell the ubuntu theme in ldm comes from | |
| 15:31 | <vagrantc_> it's not in client/ldmgtkgreet/themes like all the ohters
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| 15:32 | <sbalneav> Well, I gotta head home a bit early. I'll be on later tonight.
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| 15:32 | see you all later.
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc_> ogra: what creates the ubuntu theme in the ldm package ?
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| 15:33 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Thanks. I told you that I have one virtual server running LTSP5, but this keyboard problem we have since April, so I have to solutionate it fast withouting change LTSP version... this is a special client of Propus, that have a version of LTSP 4.2 with very much personalizations.
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| 15:34 | See you, sbalneav...
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc_> ah, now i see where it comes from ...
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| 15:58 | <Guaraldo> well... I'm going now!
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| 15:58 | see you tomorrow!
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| 17:08 | <lns> should wine work in an ltsp environment as it does on a standalone linux install?
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| 17:38 | <drwahl> i have my ltsp server setup, and my clients are pxe booting, getting the image, and being loading it, but then hang after "setting up eth0"
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| 17:38 | any ideas?
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| 17:39 | err, it actually says "eth0: setting half-duplex" then it hangs
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> drwahl: which linux distro ?
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| 17:40 | <drwahl> debian
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> drwahl: similar to this issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395145 ?
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| 17:42 | <drwahl> similar, but not the exact same
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| 17:43 | rather, the text that has been outputted is different
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> and it hangs indefinitely ?
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| 17:44 | <drwahl> yup
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| 17:44 | and i have no control
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| 17:44 | or prompt rather
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> drwahl: are you able to test with a cross-over cable instead of a hub ?
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| 17:46 | <drwahl> not really. i have a dhcp server that is seperate
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| 17:46 | so 3 comps are involved
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| 17:47 | are you trying to rule out the switch? because i have about 40 of them at my disposal
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| 17:47 | <vagrantc> yes, rying to rule out the switch ...
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| 17:47 | drwahl: and how many thin clients behave like this ?
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| 17:48 | <drwahl> lemme try a few other switches real quick (though i do not suspect it to be the problem). i have about 10 clients all doing the same thing
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> ogra: i wouldn't recommend merging scotty's latest changes into ubuntu ...
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| 17:48 | needs a little more work ...
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| 17:53 | <drwahl> vagrantc: ok, i have tried a cisco 3500, cisco 2950, and an hp procurve switch, and they are all doing the same thing
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> drwahl: ok ...
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| 17:57 | hrm.
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| 18:23 | <drwahl> so no more ideas? :)
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> no.
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| 18:24 | * vagrantc is struggling with figuring out a way to preserve the spirit of sbalneav's changes while having them still work | |
| 18:28 | * vagrantc gives up struggling and reverts | |
| 18:28 | <drwahl> haha
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| 18:36 | might it be related to the NIC driver?
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| 18:37 | <Ryudo> ogra
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> drwahl: might be ... any idea which driver they're using ?
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| 18:37 | <drwahl> its an onboard NIC on a Gateway machine. i believe it is intel
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| 18:38 | <Ryudo> vagrant do you have ltsp5 technical documentations ? pdf ...
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| 18:39 | i need some technical documentation of ltsp5 works
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> Ryudo: there is very little documentation ... what do you need to know ?
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| 18:39 | <Ryudo> booting process
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| 18:40 | you send me all you documentation ?
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| 18:40 | <vagrantc> Ryudo: could you be more specific? or do you want a very general overview ?
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| 18:40 | Ryudo: i have nothing
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| 18:41 | Ryudo: no documentation you don't already have on the various wiki pages ...
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| 18:41 | <Ryudo> I am going to do an academic work
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> i just don't understand what sort of information you're looking for ...
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| 18:42 | i can explain the boot process in a single line
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| 18:42 | <drwahl> vagrantc: ok, i tried with a laptop (different NIC) and it gets past the eth0 part, but fails to mount the nfs
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> PXE loads, gets a DHCP request, downloads a kernel and initramfs image via TFTP, kernel loads initramfs, initramfs makes a DHCP request, mounts it's root filesystem (either NFS or NBD+squashfs+unionfs), initramfs switches to the root filesystem
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| 18:43 | <Ryudo> I need to know in detail of boot process (interaction between terminal and server) ldm (XDMCP is not more used?)
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> Ryudo: does that answer your question ?
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| 18:44 | <Ryudo> vagrant thx but the ldm
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| 18:44 | how this works ?
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| 18:44 | XDMCP ?
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| 18:44 | X over ssh ?
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> drwahl: can you mount from the server itself ? i.e. mount -o ro,nolock 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt
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| 18:44 | <Ryudo> sorry but my english is so poor
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> Ryudo: LDM uses X over ssh by default, yes.
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| 18:45 | <Ryudo> hum
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| 18:45 | <drwahl> vagrantc: tried as root, and i get permision denied
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> !nfs
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| 18:46 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "nfs" is the protocol that serves the files needed by LTSP. You can find info at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> drwahl: have you configured /etc/exports ?
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| 18:47 | <Ryudo> PXE loads, gets a DHCP request, downloads a kernel and initramfs image via TFTP, kernel loads initramfs, initramfs makes a DHCP request, mounts it's root filesystem, initramfs switches to the root filesystem and after connect on X server over SSH using LDM right ?
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| 18:48 | pxe or etherboot correct ?
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> Ryudo: that's about it
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| 18:48 | sure
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| 18:48 | <drwahl> vagrantc: ya, but i think i had the wrong dir set. i moved the location of ltsp-client-build
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| 18:51 | <vagrantc> well, that'll do it...
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| 19:00 | <drwahl> i just keep getting "mount call failed: 13"
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| 19:02 | <vagrantc> drwahl: after you've fixed /etc/exports to have the proper path, did you restart nfs-kernel-server ? invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
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| 19:04 | <drwahl> exportfs: /etc/export [2]: Niether 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "*:/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles
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| 19:04 | will that mess something up?
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> comment out the swapfiles line
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| 19:04 | that's for ltsp 4.x
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| 19:04 | <drwahl> ah
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> i haven't see problems with ltsp using or not using subtree_check
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| 19:06 | <drwahl> exportfs: /etc/export [1]: Niether 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "*:/tftpboot/i386"
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| 19:06 | showmount -e says that it is there
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> drwahl: can you paste your /etc/exports to the pastebot ?
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| 19:07 | !pastebot
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| 19:07 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 19:07 | <drwahl> just fyi, all my onboard intel NICs hang on setting eth0 to half duplex. might be a driver issue
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| 19:08 | my exports file can be found at http://drwahl.ath.cx/exports
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| 19:09 | * vagrantc curses | |
| 19:09 | <vagrantc> the latest ldm is not cooperating with the gnome in debian lenny
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| 19:10 | <ltsppbot> "drwahl" pasted "/etc/exports" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/315
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> drwahl: i recommend (ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check) for options
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| 19:12 | <drwahl> ah, lemme try taht
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| 19:16 | still getting nfs mount error 13
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> drwahl: try mounting via 127.0.0.1 ?
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| 19:17 | <drwahl> works on the nfs server, but the clients still cant seem to get it
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| 19:17 | <vagrantc> ok, well ... that's progress
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| 19:18 | drwahl: grep root-path /etc/*/dhcpd.conf
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| 19:20 | <drwahl> i'm using Smoothwall 3.0 as my router, which handles dhcp, and network boot stuff. i set the rootpath on that as /tftpboot
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| 19:20 | might it be a permissions issue?
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> drwahl: set it to /tftpboot/i386
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| 19:22 | <drwahl> when i set it to that, it cant find the pxe image
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> what have you set for filename?
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| 19:24 | <drwahl> with /tftpboot as the root path, i have /i386/boot/pxelinux.0 for the image, and it boots fine. if i change the root path to /tftpboot/i386, and the image to /boot/pxelinux.0, the clients cannot find the image
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> don't know what to say. dhcp3-server doesn't behave that way.
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| 19:26 | <drwahl> odd
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| 19:27 | maybe it isnt dhcp3... lemme do some research
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> i'd recommend setting up a separate DHCP server for your LTSP network ... put a second network card in your LTSP server and physically split up your network
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| 19:28 | root-path and filename should be two unlrelated options
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| 19:29 | as far as your dhcp server is concerned
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| 19:29 | <drwahl> what about tftp
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> well, tftp should just be downloading whatever your dhcp server is telling it to download
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| 19:29 | <drwahl> might i need to set tftp-root to /tftboot/i386 ?
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> how's your tftp server configured ?
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| 19:30 | <drwahl> i'm using atftpd, but i think it is using inetd (if that even makes sense)
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 19:32 | <drwahl> brb
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| 19:33 | <drwahl> ok, i'm drwahl
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| 19:33 | wait..
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| 19:33 | haha, found my nick :)
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| 19:33 | tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /opt/ltsp
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> well, no wonder
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| 19:33 | <drwahl> ... i think i see :)
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> which, actually isn't such a bad way to do it...
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| 19:34 | but ... your setup is crazy ...
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| 19:34 | <drwahl> i need to change the /opt/ltsp to /tftpboot
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| 19:34 | right?
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> drwahl: why do you need to move all this stuff to other places ?
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| 19:35 | <drwahl> uh... no reason really, just habbits
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| 19:35 | * vagrantc grumbles | |
| 19:35 | <drwahl> i can change anything that will help
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| 19:36 | :)
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> it makes helping with troubleshooting a lot more difficult to have things in custom places for no particular reason
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| 19:36 | <J45p3r> cliebow?
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| 19:37 | <drwahl> vagrantc: ya, i'm moving stuff back to where it should be
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> default setup is /var/lib/tftpboot for tftp and /opt/ltsp for NFS ...
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| 19:51 | <drwahl> thanks for the assistance, i will be back if i have issues
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| 19:57 | <Ryudo> vagrant sorry, but whats is pxelinux.0 ?
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| 19:57 | i lost ¬¬
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> Ryudo: it's a boot loader that is supported by pxe, a branch of syslinux, which is another boot loader
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| 19:59 | <fgiraldeau> hi there
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| 20:00 | <Ryudo> etherboot (floppy) call for pxelinux.0 and this load de kernel and kernel mount /opt/ltsp/i386 over nfs right ?
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> Ryudo: basically
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| 20:01 | <Ryudo> in newest motherboard the onboard LAN have a etherboot into you ROM ?
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> most newer motherboards support the PXE protocol
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| 20:03 | er, newer network cards
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| 20:04 | <Ryudo> pxe protocol is diferent of etherboot ?
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 20:26 | <cliebow> J45p3r:Hey!!
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| 20:34 | <jammcq> hey folks
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| 21:12 | <fgiraldeau> hi jammcq
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| 21:12 | hope that you're fine
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| 21:12 | <jammcq> hey francis
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| 21:12 | doing great
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| 21:12 | how's things over there in quebec ?
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| 21:12 | <fgiraldeau> Not too bad after all
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| 21:13 | I'm working to get our first ubuntu ltsp mille-xterm cluster (I even don't know how to name it)
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| 21:13 | And what about you?
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| 21:13 | <jammcq> i'm working on some customer things. gotta pay the bills, ya know
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| 21:14 | <fgiraldeau> for sure
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| 21:17 | I'm realy exited about the idea to participate to UDS in boston.
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| 21:18 | <jammcq> yeah, it's a blast
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| 21:18 | <fgiraldeau> Can you describe the ambiance?
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| 21:18 | <jammcq> umm, 80-100 geeks that just want to produce the best software possible
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| 21:19 | then, at night, we go off to dinner and have some wine and a good time
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| 21:19 | then, 9am the next morning, do it again
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| 21:20 | <fgiraldeau> It's a good planning
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| 21:20 | <jammcq> it's very intense
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| 21:20 | <fgiraldeau> I like intense things
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| 21:21 | I'm gonna take couple of days off before this event, to recharge my batteries :)
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| 21:21 | <jammcq> cool
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| 21:22 | we're possibly going up to Maine for a few days afterwards to have some lobster and beer and unwind a bit
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| 21:22 | <fgiraldeau> It's a litle bit late, you're working yet?
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| 21:22 | <jammcq> yeah, I work until about 12am or so
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| 21:23 | <fgiraldeau> lobsters: cool. You're going there by car? I will come by car myself to boston.
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| 21:23 | <jammcq> yeah, i'm thinking about it
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| 21:24 | during the week I won't need it, but it'll be very handy for going up to Maine
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| 21:24 | <fgiraldeau> It's pretty near of Sherbrooke, about 4 hours and half.
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| 21:25 | <jammcq> yeah, it's more like 10-12 hours for me
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| 21:25 | <fgiraldeau> Outch.
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| 21:25 | <jammcq> but I have a customer in Rochester, NY that I can stop at and visit
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| 21:25 | always good to visit the customers
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| 21:25 | plus, I have a very comfortable car, with good music
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| 21:25 | <fgiraldeau> you're right, nothing like a real meeting to get things done quickly
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| 21:26 | What are you driving?
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| 21:26 | <jammcq> chevy suburban
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| 21:26 | nice and big
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| 21:26 | <fgiraldeau> My god!
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| 21:26 | <jammcq> I could prolly fit your car in the back of mine
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| 21:26 | and still have room for 4 people and luggage
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| 21:26 | <fgiraldeau> yeah, probably!
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| 21:27 | I do have a litle diesel volks, so it will cost about 25$ of diesel to come to boston. Not too bad.
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| 21:28 | <jammcq> wow. It'll cost me a bit more
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| 21:28 | <fgiraldeau> Yeah, I think
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| 21:28 | <jammcq> I'm hoping that scotty will fly here to detroit and drive with me. that's always a good time
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| 21:29 | <fgiraldeau> He don't know yet?
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| 21:29 | <jammcq> we haven't firmed up the arrangements yet
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| 21:29 | <fgiraldeau> Well, with 12 hours of driving, you get a lot of time to talk.
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| 21:30 | That's not loosed time
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| 21:30 | I heard that he worked hard on the project recently.
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| 21:31 | I send him the server section of the edubuntu handbook, about multiple server support.
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| 21:31 | <jammcq> cool
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| 21:31 | <fgiraldeau> I'm pretty sure he's tired after this blitz, I didn't have news of him.
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| 21:32 | <jammcq> he'll probably pop in here soon
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| 21:33 | <fgiraldeau> So, he's a night bird :)
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| 21:33 | <jammcq> yeah, plus he's an hour behind us
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| 21:33 | <fgiraldeau> He will come when I will go to sleep.
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| 21:34 | I don't know how these guys are doing for beeing always up.
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| 21:34 | There is no justice.
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| 21:34 | Will you reserve at the proposed hotel for UDS?
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| 21:35 | <jammcq> I plan on it
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| 21:35 | <fgiraldeau> I imagine that all activities are held in this hotel.
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| 21:35 | <jammcq> yes, although there might be an offsite dinner
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| 21:35 | <fgiraldeau> It's a litle bit costly, I do have to sell that to my boss
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| 21:37 | Maybe the $CAN will be over the $US soon, so it will help :)
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| 21:38 | Anyway, I prefer to be in the same hotel, because I want to focus on the team work.
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| 21:38 | <jammcq> yes, that's very important
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| 21:39 | that way, we all spend the entire day together, starting with breakfast
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| 21:39 | <fgiraldeau> If you said it, my boss will say ok :)
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| 21:40 | Thanks a lot again for all your tips.
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| 21:40 | <jammcq> heh
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| 22:48 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:48 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 23:10 | <MrChicken> Hello
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| 23:11 | I'm running ltsp 5... and I was wondering how can I prevent some users to access internet (I want to restrict them to the local domain only)
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| 23:13 | <sbalneav> You'd need to set up a transparent proxy to something like squid
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| 23:13 | <MrChicken> hrmmm so I feared
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| 23:14 | but squid only works by IPs
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| 23:14 | and since all the connections come from the ltsp server...
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| 23:14 | <sbalneav> You'd need to make an authenticating proxy.
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| 23:15 | <MrChicken> ouch
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| 23:15 | <sbalneav> Not too hard.
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| 23:15 | * MrChicken was happy when he found ebox... now he has to get rid of it :s | |
| 23:16 | <MrChicken> ebox = smething like webmin for dummies
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| 23:16 | anyway... I wanted to ask you... do you know any good admin interface thats 'user-friendly'?
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| 23:17 | <sbalneav> /bin/bash?
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| 23:17 | <MrChicken> lol
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| 23:18 | kinda hoped for something like webmin, but easier
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| 23:18 | <str4nd> /bin/zsh! :)
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| 23:18 | <sbalneav> What, webmin's not easy?
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| 23:19 | <MrChicken> u still gotta do the editing
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| 23:19 | :P
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| 23:19 | * MrChicken is lazy | |
| 23:20 | <MrChicken> ah welll
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| 23:20 | I guess you cant have it all :P
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| 23:48 | <drwahl> i just got an ltsp session working, but i cant seem to log in. i also want it to start in init5. where can i set these things?
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| 23:49 | <sbalneav> drwahl: Whan version of ltsp are you using, on what server?
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| 23:51 | <drwahl> i am running Debian sid, and i got it from "apt-get install ltsp-server"
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| 23:51 | <sbalneav> Well, you probably need to do an ltsp-update-sshkeys.
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| 23:52 | as for startiing in init 5, it should start in anything 2 or above, I think
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| 23:52 | brb, shifting to downstairs machine...
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| 23:56 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 23:59 | <drwahl> i should specify, when i say i cant log in, i mean it keeps telling me that the username is incorrect
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| 23:59 | or rather, "Login incorrect"
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| 23:59 | <sbalneav> Can you paste your lts.conf file?
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