IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 1 November 2013 (all times are UTC)
| 00:02 | <urly> Hi vagrantc, I'm still 'working' on my sound problem
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| 00:07 | I tried many things, I'm quite decided, but I think I may miss some skills. I don't really know where to continue seaching
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| 00:12 | searching for somewhere to search, of course
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| 00:16 | <vagrantc> well, keep trying...
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| 00:21 | <urly> well I tried debian 7, I tried some oss, some ulimits, different clients, some of them work, others don't but every one is ok with ubuntu 10.04... it's very interesting but I look for advices
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| 01:36 | <urly> hi stgraber. I guess you know some details about ltsp... I miss some of them. Sound problem, tests, issues, but LTSP rocks so much I can't be undecided
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| 01:41 | Details : everything ok under ubunu10.04 LTSP-CLUSTER, but with 12.04 and debian 7 some clients are mute, or break the sound manually restarted with start_sound.
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| 01:42 | I tried many thing, and some clients are ok, others no (server half ok, so). I tried many things. More details ?
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| 01:51 | I don't know what to try more. I just tried evrything I could red here and there (suspend on idle, oss), and even things I didn't red (pam things, pluse, pulse-access ~~) but damned I guess I miss skills to better find the problem (modules ? sockets ?). What should I check ?
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| 02:21 | <Hyperbyte> urly, stick around... someone can help you for sure. Also keep in mind many people in this channel (including me) are on European timezone. ;-)
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| 02:21 | Speaking of which... g'night.
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| 02:27 | <urly> Yes I've ever thought about this detail thanks, and of course it's a long story. Jetlags and witch nights. You do know a byte about sound things ? Or maybe better do you 'when' to talk about this in here ?
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| 02:28 | (... do you KNOW 'when ...)
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| 02:34 | oh yes good night
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| 03:29 | <bennabiy_away> !forget LinuxMint
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| 03:29 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 03:30 | <bennabiy_away> !learn LinuxMint as LinuxMint: Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/testing Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) The client build process might be a bit unstable. To build a working Mint chroot, as root, type: MINT_DIST=<codename> ltsp-build-client --arch <arch> --accept-unsigned-packages
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| 03:30 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 03:30 | <bennabiy_away> !LinuxMint
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| 03:30 | <ltsp`> LinuxMint: LinuxMint: Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/testing Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) The client build process might be a bit unstable. To build a working Mint chroot, as root, type: MINT_DIST=<codename> ltsp-build-client --arch <arch> --accept-unsigned-packages
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 14:10 | <urly> Hi all. I need to query an issue about a sound issue I have with some clients.
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| 14:13 | <ogra_> sbalneav, !!
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| 14:13 | !s
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| 14:13 | <ltsp`> s: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra_!
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| 14:14 | Sick cat I hear?
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| 14:14 | <ogra_> not anymore !!! :D
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> Oh, good.
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| 14:14 | I've had to bow out this year. But I'll be there via Google hangout.
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| 14:14 | <ogra_> we managed to spoonfeed her the evening before i would have flown ... and the next evening she actually was able to keep a full meal in again
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| 14:15 | sbalneav, yeah, i heard ... really sorry ... and condolences
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> Thanks. Yeah, October's been... not a good month.
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| 14:16 | urly: Just ask your question, if someone knows they'll answer.
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| 14:16 | alkisg: Hey hey!
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> Hi sbalneav, hi all! You guys at the BTS?
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| 14:17 | Ah no both of you aren't..
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| 14:18 | * alkisg hopes next year it'll be a better year for everyone... and we might all attend the 2014 bts | |
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Yeah, I'll be doing the virtual attendance this year.
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| 14:23 | <urly> I have some clients working and others no. When I restart manually sound with start_sound, sound reappears, but breaks again when I change volume. Hardware is ok with ubuntu 10.04. Modules loaded are the same with ubuntu 10.04 and debian 7 except snd_seq_oss. Modules also break with sound. What should I check ?
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> What kind of sound hardware?
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| 14:25 | <urly> chip via1612a in neoware ca10
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| 14:27 | Module snd_via82XX ok with ubuntu 10.04, and also loaded in 12.04 and debian wheezy
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> Check and see what dmesg says on the thin client. Maybe it's pitching a kernel message.
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| 15:00 | <urly> what to do with dmesg ? option ?
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| 15:08 | dmesg doesn't change : before or after sound manually restart, dmesg on the client returns the same
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> Not sure then.
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| 15:34 | * stgraber waves | |
| 15:39 | <stgraber> ogra_: ping
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| 15:39 | <ogra_> hey
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| 15:40 | <qewqwe> hi
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| 15:40 | -ls
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| 15:40 | hello
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| 15:40 | !
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| 15:40 | <stgraber> alkisg: ping
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| 15:40 | we're doing a google hangout now
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| 15:40 | so if you two want to join
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> Hi stgraber
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| 15:41 | <qewqwe> I'm at school
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| 15:41 | * alkisg doesn't have a camera handy to participate, but would be glad to watch... | |
| 15:41 | <stgraber> Jim will try to invite the two of you in the hangout
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| 15:42 | <qewqwe> we lising linux lesson
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| 15:42 | <qewqwe> can you help me
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| 15:45 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 15:50 | * bennabiy waves. | |
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| 15:56 | <dtrask> anyone from BTS 2013 around?
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| 15:57 | <qewqwe> whoami
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| 15:57 | pwd:
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| 15:57 | pwd
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| 15:57 | pwd
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| 15:57 | pwd
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| 15:57 | pwd
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| 15:57 | pwd
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| 15:57 | whoami
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| 15:57 | <dtrask> sbalneav: I saw you as "not going" to BTS...hope all is OK.
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| 15:58 | <ogra_> hey dtrask
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| 15:58 | <dtrask> HI!
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| 15:58 | ogra_: HI!
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| 15:58 | <laprag> hey dtrask
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| 15:58 | ollie!
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| 15:58 | <ogra_> laprag, !
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| 15:58 | <laprag> guten abend
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| 15:59 | <dtrask> I'm guessing the LTSP BTS guys are off eating or touring
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| 15:59 | <urly> what is BTS 2013 ?
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| 15:59 | <laprag> warum bist du nicht hier?
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| 15:59 | <dtrask> LTSP-By-The-Sea
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| 15:59 | <ogra_> laprag, meine katze war sehr krank
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| 15:59 | <stgraber> dtrask: nope, doing the kick off at the moment, so not looking at IRC much
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| 16:00 | <laprag> ogra_: ach, die katze.
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| 16:00 | <dtrask> http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/ByTheSea_2013
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| 16:00 | stgraber: tell Jim to check his email when he can
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| 16:01 | <stgraber> dtrask: ok
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| 16:01 | <dtrask> stgraber: Hope I can get there to see you guys....not looking too good at the moment, but trying to juggle some things.
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| 16:01 | stgraber: When is the next scheduled Edubuntu LTS?
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| 16:02 | <stgraber> Edubuntu 14.04 LTS in end of April 2014
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| 16:04 | <sbalneav> dtrask: My father passed away, and I've had to move my mother into a Supportive Housing home due to her Alzheimers. I wish I was there, but it's just too crazy here for me to break away this year. Next year I'll be back, as per usual.
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| 16:05 | <bennabiy> sbalneav, you are in winnipeg, and involved with MATE?
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| 16:08 | <sbalneav> bennabiy: Yes, I've been off from Mate for a couple of months due to family obligations, but I'll get back to it shortly.
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| 16:09 | <bennabiy> sbalneav: We are very involved with mate, both the DE and the drink :)
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| 16:09 | ever heard of http://www.commonsensemarket.ca/
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| 16:09 | back in a bit...
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| 16:09 | <sbalneav> Never heard of it, but now bookmarked.
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| 16:10 | <bennabiy> We have a little place there, and distribute mate :)
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| 16:10 | <sbalneav> Cool.
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| 16:11 | * alkisg can do all the logistics, no problem :) | |
| 16:11 | <alkisg> I might even be able to get some sponsorship for you guys...
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| 16:12 | <sbalneav> Sponsorship is good. Ouzo is better :D
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> We'll have tons of that. Lobsters too!
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| 16:12 | <sbalneav> How far from you to Thermopelye?
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| 16:13 | thermopylae
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| 16:13 | My speelung is off.
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> I'm rather far (for Greece measures), about 5 hours
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| 16:13 | <ogra_> other side of the counrty ...
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| 16:13 | <qewqwe> olalalalalaaa
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| 16:13 | selam
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| 16:13 | merhaba
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| 16:13 | lan
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| 16:14 | cevap vern
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| 16:14 | cevap
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| 16:14 | nasıl server kurcaz
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| 16:14 | * ogra_ wonders if qewqwe wasnts to tell us something | |
| 16:14 | <ogra_> *wants
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| 16:15 | <qewqwe> How dryly server
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> Fat clients boot in 15 seconds here... :)
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| 16:15 | <sbalneav> You should keep your servers dry, yes. They tend not to like water.
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| 16:16 | * alkisg thinks maybe we should switch to #ltsp-meeting | |
| 16:16 | <qewqwe> server name louis pasteur
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| 16:16 | create new server
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> Samba is nice for network authentication too, as it also supports windows clients...
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| 16:22 | <dtrask> sbalneav: godspeed my friend...hope things get better
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| 16:24 | <sbalneav> dtrask: On the mend now, just not stable enough to leave quite yet.
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| 16:25 | I think I may be losing you guys.
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> They're back again :)
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| 16:26 | <sbalneav> I'll have to leave in about 15 minutes for another meeting in the boardroom, but I'll stay on via irc.
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| 16:27 | Someone ask vagrant what his bzr branch is?
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> sbalneav: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc
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| 16:34 | * alkisg got a nexus 4 to use as an ltsp server for fat clients :D | |
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| 16:38 | <cliebow> dtrask:hey!
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| 16:38 | <sbalneav> BAck in a bit...
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| 16:39 | <dtrask> cliebow: hey chuck!
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| 16:39 | <cliebow> hi ..gonna see you later on?
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| 16:39 | <dtrask> cliebow: if at all...it'll be sometime tomorrow. Having difficulty juggling everything
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| 16:40 | cliebow: are you there now?
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| 16:40 | <cliebow> righto..i ll pass that on thn..yeah i am here
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| 16:40 | <dtrask> cliebow: is alkisg there?
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| 16:40 | cliebow: just judging from his posts
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| 16:40 | <cliebow> maddog..eric harrison..marlon dutravagrant
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> Nah, still in Greece :)
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| 16:41 | <dtrask> alkisg: ;-)
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| 16:41 | <cliebow> gadi ron ragnar simon poirier
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| 16:41 | <dtrask> cliebow: havent seen vagrant in quite a while
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| 16:41 | <cliebow> alkis no scottie..no ollie no
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| 16:42 | <dtrask> cliebow: weird without scotty
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| 16:42 | * alkisg says hi to everyone, but especially to gadi which he hasn't heard of for more than a year... | |
| 16:42 | <cliebow> yeah it is..we have hm skyped in
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| 16:42 | he and ollie..looking for alkis
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| 16:42 | <dtrask> cliebow: how's the bandwidth?
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| 16:42 | <cliebow> some talk about next year..portland...maybe Greece with Alkis
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| 16:43 | seems pretty good..power flickers in this wind
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| 16:43 | <dtrask> cliebow: portland maine or oregon?
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| 16:43 | <cliebow> oregon with vagrant and eric
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| 16:43 | talking about ltsp 6 and emphasis on fat client..
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| 16:43 | <dtrask> cliebow: instead of SW harbor? I have to admit...we've been there a lot
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| 16:44 | <sbalneav> When vagrant gets back I need to talk to him. Back in an hour... off to visit my mom! (dutiful son)
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| 16:44 | <cliebow> yeah..kind of quiet this late..but i havnt the resources to go much further...
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| 16:44 | right scott
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| 16:45 | <urly> what about LDM server and SSI ?
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| 16:45 | * cliebow cliebow passes on that one.. | |
| 16:45 | <dtrask> cliebow: What I mean is SW harbor is wonderful, but we've done and seen everything ;-)
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| 16:45 | * ogra_ thought LDM was supposed to die | |
| 16:45 | <dtrask> DIE! LDM! DIE!
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| 16:46 | <cliebow> yes.. and i am not particularly useful in this anymore..
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| 16:46 | <dtrask> cliebow: me neither...especially in the school year
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| 16:46 | cliebow: just can't get away
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| 16:46 | <cliebow> dont even have a lab since three years or four
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| 16:46 | * ogra_ didnt contribute to LTSP for years ... and i still love SW harbor | |
| 16:46 | <Gadi> ++
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| 16:46 | <ogra_> (and would be there if i could)
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| 16:47 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 16:47 | <dtrask> cliebow: I still have an Edubuntu lab (actually two)....and hope to continue for a few more years. Still on 12.04....hope to upgrade next summer to the new LTS version
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| 16:47 | <ogra_> btw, someone please pet speedbump from me ... and give moirgan a hug if she drops by
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| 16:47 | *morgan
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| 16:48 | <cliebow> ok will do
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| 16:48 | <dtrask> ogra_: no worries...we still luv you
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| 16:48 | GADI! *you here?*
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| 16:48 | <cliebow> here somewhere..
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| 16:49 | rebuilding his laptop...figures!
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| 16:49 | <dtrask> Hoping and planning to join you all at least for afternoon...dinner...and good times tomorrow. I can't stay the night...no one to look after the dog.
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| 16:49 | <Gadi> dtrask: in the flesh
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| 16:49 | <dtrask> GADI!!!!!
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| 16:49 | <cliebow> there he is
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| 16:50 | <dtrask> Hope to see you all tomorrow sometime
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| 16:50 | <Gadi> bbiab - showtime
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| 16:50 | <dtrask> Gadi: hee hee....you said "flesh" ;-)
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| 16:51 | <urly> LDM is supposed to die ?
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| 16:56 | <ogra_> since a long time
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| 16:56 | (unless that changed recently)
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| 16:57 | <urly> oh I've not heard this, I'm just surprised
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| 17:03 | <urly> I tried to put LDM in SSI this summer with MOSIX but I didn't success
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| 18:47 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: ping
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| 19:12 | <sbalneav> When you guys get back from lunch, someone ping me.
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| 19:13 | <petres> We are back, actually.
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| 19:13 | Just mentioned to vagrantc that you're looking for him.
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hiya, was busy recovering partition tables after a thinko
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| 19:14 | <sbalneav> Let me know when you've got 5 minutes to talk about pam + ltspfs.
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i am your humble servant :)
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| 19:15 | <sbalneav> OK, so...
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| 19:16 | We have the login part going good, between you and I, I think.
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| 19:16 | But it sounds like sshfs isn't the best solution for either memory sticks, or home dirs.
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| 19:17 | <vagrantc> yeah, although session and server selection is hard to come up with a good option
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| 19:17 | and how to get ltspfs integration
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| 19:17 | <sbalneav> So, try this on for size:
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| 19:18 | I modify ltspfs
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| 19:18 | doesn't talk over a socket.
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| 19:18 | talks over stdin and stdout.
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| 19:18 | <sbalneav> we then use the ssh tunnel to plumb the ltspfs.
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| 19:19 | No ssh tunnel? OK, so we use nc
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| 19:19 | works either way.
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| 19:19 | now we
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| 19:19 | when we use an ssh tunnel, we also have the advantage of the data being encrypted.
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| 19:20 | Thoughts?
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| 19:20 | <cliebow> i m just listening in
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> would it then need a daemon on the ltspfs-client side? i.e. the ltsp server?
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| 19:22 | the idea of plmbing over the existing ssh tunnel is great
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| 19:23 | <sbalneav> No, wouldn't need a daemon. We'd have to run an sshd on the client, though, and do something about auto-genning some keys and adding them so the server could spawn stuff on the client.
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: maybe we should update the ltsp-pam page?
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| 19:23 | <sbalneav> Yeah.
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 19:24 | <sbalneav> Or I'm open to any other suggestions.
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: could maintain a separate known-hosts for the ltspfs stuff
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| 19:24 | that would avoid polluting the known hosts file with outdaed entries
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| 19:25 | <sbalneav> Might work. We'd have to play around with it.
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| 19:25 | So here's what I propose:
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| 19:26 | I spend the rest of the day hacking ltspfs into ltspfs2 that we can use.
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> so the ssh tunnel to the client is for notification of device removal/insertion...
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| 19:26 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> and the other direction is for file writes and suc?
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| 19:26 | <sbalneav> Right.
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| 19:27 | Seem reasonable?
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| 19:27 | * vagrantc tries to come up with something better than sshd on the client for the other direction | |
| 19:27 | <sbalneav> If i go hard at it, I should be able to have something cobbled together on the ltspfs side by tomorrow morning. Then you and I can glue it together.
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| 19:27 | Sound like a plan?
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 19:29 | <sbalneav> kk, I'll hack the rest of the afternoon and evening.
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: we could just do the socket like always, but add some sort of encryption
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| 19:30 | sbalneav: we could do symmetric key exhange throug the ssh tunnel
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| 19:30 | <sbalneav> That'll be harder, plus less general purpose, I think. We've got the tunnel going in one direction, that's the home dir right there for no work whatsoever.
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> though sshfs hasn't proven to be great... might be good to exploe other things
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| 19:31 | <sbalneav> We used ltspfs for home dirs at one point, and it seemed to work pretty good, iirc, it just wasn't encrypted, so we dropped it.
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| 19:31 | * Gadi is lost as to the goal | |
| 19:31 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: actuall, why do we need to do this differently than with ldm at all?
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| 19:32 | <Gadi> what are we trying to achieve?
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| 19:32 | what problem are we trying to solve?
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| 19:32 | * vagrantc listens to the irc echo in realspace | |
| 19:33 | <Gadi> echo echo echo
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| 19:33 | <sbalneav> Well, we're using sshfs for one way (home dir to client) and ltspfs the other way (usb stick to server). sshfs doesn't do some things nicely, and it would be nice to use just one filesystem.
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> there's no echo if you just type it
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| 19:33 | <sbalneav> That's my take on it, anyway.
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so you're thinking of using ltspfs for our home dirs instead of sshfs?
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| 19:34 | <sbalneav> I'm happy to do whatever. I'm just throwing out suggestions.
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| 19:34 | <Gadi> wait
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| 19:34 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: That was my thought, yes.
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| 19:34 | Gadi: waiting...
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> yeah, i'm just trying to make sure i understand the situation and proposal
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| 19:34 | <Gadi> so, is this an effort to simplify the fs support, or is it a case of we can't use ltspfs anymore if we go to the new libpam model
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| 19:35 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I think the former, driven by the fact that sshfs doesn't handle some bits of the home directory part very well.
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| 19:36 | * vagrantc thanks gadi | |
| 19:36 | <vagrantc> i think my first goal is to replicate the functionality we have now with ldm, but without ldm :)
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| 19:36 | <Gadi> ah, ok. Given the current stack that we have, can we support a clean libpam version of ltsp?
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| 19:37 | <Gadi> clean = functionally complete to ltsp5?
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> maybe we need to identify core features needed, and then have a few proposals for how to do using libpam-sshauth
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| 19:37 | ideally doing it better
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| 19:37 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I didn't look at localdevs yet, but I think so.
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| 19:37 | vagrantc++
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| 19:37 | I agree.
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| 19:37 | <jammcq> sbalneav++
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| 19:38 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so this sounds like a doing it better proposal
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| 19:38 | <sbalneav> Yes.
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| 19:38 | Or I think it may be better.
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| 19:38 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it should be possible to just do localdevs essentially the same way we do now, no?
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| 19:39 | * vagrantc assumes folks are making proposals to improve things :) | |
| 19:39 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: should be possible, I think. One of the problems we've always had is that localdev support over ltspfs was always unencrypted.
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> the other big feature is all the hooks ldm runs on login
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| 19:40 | but i think we can implement most of those hooks in the script that the .desktop file calls
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| 19:40 | <Gadi> also, localdev changes behavior in fat client land, yes? (never did get dbus's connected and such)
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| 19:41 | <sbalneav> What I'm proposing is: we modify ltspfs so it can run over an ssh socket. If we do that, we solve the unencrypted localdev support, plus we may be able to use it for home directory stuff as well, meaning we don't have to support both sshfs and ltspfs.
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| 19:42 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: got it.
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| 19:44 | <sbalneav> So, my question is: should I start doing the mods?
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> we're wondering, since the focus is more on fatclients... it kind of changes what we ned to d...
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| 19:45 | * vagrantc paraphrases the meatspace conversation | |
| 19:45 | <vagrantc> i.e. we could use standard device managment of the os
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| 19:46 | or approaching it more with a networked dbus/udisks type things
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| 19:47 | <stgraber> how about getting ltspfs to just negociate an ssh channel on the existing connection
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| 19:47 | <sbalneav> Well, even with a fat client, you still need to mount the home dir, yes?
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| 19:48 | stgraber: That's what I'm suggesting.
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| 19:48 | <stgraber> sbalneav: ok, that makes sense to me
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| 19:48 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so, in short... not sure yet
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> Right now, ltspfs actually makes a socket() call, and plumbs a socket.
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| 19:48 | <stgraber> (sorry, doing other stuff and just catching part of the discussion from what Gadi and Vagrant are saying in person ;))
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> what I'm suggesting is: I just hack it up a bit: I use stdin and stdout.
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| 19:49 | then the socket bit gets done over the ssh tunnel.
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| 19:50 | <jammcq> I still don't understand what ltspfs is needed for in ltsp-6 ?
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| 19:51 | <stgraber> jammcq: we still need it for thin clients
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| 19:51 | jammcq: on fat clients it's not relevant, but for thin clients we still need a way for software on the server to access mass storage devices on the client
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| 19:51 | <sbalneav> Unless...
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| 19:52 | * sbalneav proposes to propose the heretical | |
| 19:52 | <sbalneav> Try this one on for size.
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| 19:52 | <cliebow> seems a shame to rule out emaciated-client support altogether..i know times have changed but therein was the beauty of the idea
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| 19:53 | <sbalneav> On login, we somehow just mount /media on the thin client on the server under /media/userid, automatically, using nfs or the like.
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| 19:53 | then just use the built in udisks stuff to happen locally.
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| 19:54 | <sbalneav> skip the whole detecting inserts and plumbing the connection altogether. It's a little less elegant, but since fat clients is our focus...
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| 19:56 | Now, the one thing I WAS having trouble with, was for whatever reason, libpam-sshauth sessions weren't showing up as properly logged in under consolekit.
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| 19:56 | So the udev/udisk automounting thing wasn't happening.
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| 19:56 | If we can solve that...
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> how to check?
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| 19:58 | <stgraber> so the mounting part should work (with sshfs or the like)
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| 19:59 | but the notification won't
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| 19:59 | as udiskd runs as root
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| 20:02 | <sbalneav> You, as a thin client user, would simply browse to /media/sbalneav, where you'd see folders like "USBSTICK1" or "CDROM" or whatever.
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| 20:03 | They wouldn't pop up on your desktop, or whatever... but...
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| 20:03 | My users could live with it.
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| 20:06 | <stgraber> sbalneav: it'd have to be /run/user/<uid>/ltsp/ ...
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| 20:06 | oh or maybe not, let me triple check
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| 20:07 | right, users don't have write access to /media/<username>
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| 20:07 | <sbalneav> Write a little setuid helper?
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| 20:08 | prolly wouldn't pass everyones security paranoia...
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| 20:08 | <stgraber> helper that lets create user-owned directories under /media? nah, that's not going to pass an audit ;)
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| 20:09 | <stgraber> (as /media is typically on /, having write access to it would mean having the possibility of DoSing the host by filling the directory)
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| 20:09 | whereas /run/user/<uid> is a size restricted tmpfs and /home is typically a network share with user quotas
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc_> not mounting to /media/username ?
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc_> the whole reason we picked /media/username was because GNOME automatically put icons on the desktop for things under /media
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| 20:22 | but i think the only thing that does is gnome
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| 22:33 | <alkisg> Will ltspfs behave better than sshfs for home dirs?
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| 22:34 | <vagrantc_> alkisg: that's a very good question
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| 22:35 | * vagrantc_ would like to mount something really standardish for homedirs | |
| 22:36 | <alkisg> In 12.04 we switched to sshfs instead of nfs for our 500+ schools here, we didn't experience any blocking issues...
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| 22:37 | * vagrantc_ would like something that still involves encryption | |
| 22:37 | <vagrantc_> but yeah, NFS basically works
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| 22:38 | NFSv4 includes some sort of encryption, but requires kerberos... which is interesting
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| 22:38 | alkisg: oh, wait, i misunderstood ... you've been using sshfs again?
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| 22:38 | <alkisg> Yup, for the first time
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| 22:38 | We've been using nfs in the past
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc_> ah, glad to hear it!
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| 22:38 | * vagrantc_ flipped the question around | |
| 22:39 | <alkisg> I think kerberos can be used to open an ssh socket from any pam module login, right?
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc_> it could ... but kerberos can be a bit cumbersome to set up
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| 22:40 | <alkisg> So if (any pam) + kerberos + nfs + ssh socket works, that'd be very nice, it'd save us a lot of implementation...
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| 22:40 | And people could use samba or ldap or whatever else they wanted for the pam part
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc_> right
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| 22:45 | <alkisg> vagrantc_: unrelated question... ltsp-remoteappsd exists because the user doesn't have access to the ssh socket, as it's owned by root?
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| 23:41 | <vagrantc_> hrm.
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| 23:41 | bad news... libpam-sshauth didn't work with lightdm on debian jessie/testing
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| 23:41 | oh, yeah ... the sshauth part worked... but the session defaults to the default session
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| 23:44 | alkisg:
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| 23:44 | in your absence, ltsp-remoteappsd ... yeah, i think it's because of socket permissions
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| 23:51 | sbalneav: we may need to tweak the pam rules from ltsp-pam-examples ...
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| 23:51 | not sure what's broken yet ... it might just be lightdm, too
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| 23:51 | * vagrantc_ tries with gdm3 | |