IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 December 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:40 | <BGomes> cyberorg: god nigth
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| 01:40 | <cyberorg> 'night BGomes
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| 01:40 | <MasterOne> and good morning from Austria :)
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| 01:40 | <cyberorg> :)
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| 01:41 | <BGomes> MasterOne: here is 3:36 am
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| 01:49 | <BGomes> I am goin sleep now!
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| 03:47 | <jgbillings> hmm now I'm getting the No IP address message that underdog5004 was getting earlier
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| 03:48 | if only i had a cable tester
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| 03:51 | dOH! * Starting DHCP server dhcpd3 [fail]
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| 03:59 | wonder if i'm on the right track here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/+bug/94804
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| 04:10 | this is in syslog, don't think that bug has anything to do with it: No subnet declaration for (my eth1 card)
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| 04:33 | <ogra> jgbillings, just make sure to have a proper static interface defined for the rage you defined in the config
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| 04:34 | (and no, the errormessage you get already tells you whats wrong)
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| 04:34 | (the bug is not related)
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| 04:34 | *range :)
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| 04:44 | <jgbillings> had to comment out something in the init script?
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| 04:44 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283874
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| 04:44 | seems like it was looking at a diffrent dhcpd.conf
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| 04:48 | connected to the ltsp server, and almost booted pretty good, but not there yet
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| 04:53 | getting some garbled "failed to initialize daemon" "E: main.c: Module" ... well come back to this tomorrow
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| 05:54 | <ogra> your client has no sound HW or alsa didnt initialize it properly
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| 05:55 | you need to edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf indeed :) DONT set anything in /etc/defaults/dhcp3-server
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| 05:56 | <johnny> so.. autologin might be fixed , but i don't know how to apply it
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| 05:59 | <ogra> francis has a package in the ppa i think, just install it
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| 05:59 | the patch is way to big to make it into gutsy
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| 05:59 | <johnny> i don't know how :)
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| 05:59 | i can't find his launchpaid id
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| 05:59 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/~francis-giraldeau/+archive
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| 06:00 | <johnny> it's not the same as what his bugs are fileld under
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| 06:00 | oh.. it's not at ppa.launchpad
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| 06:00 | which is what i tried
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| 06:00 | <ogra> not anymore, that was only used during deveolpment of ppa's ... they are an official LP feature now
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| 06:01 | <johnny> hmm..so i see various packages
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| 06:01 | <ogra> you want ldm
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| 06:01 | for i386
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| 06:02 | <johnny> but ldm wasn't a seperate package previously ?
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| 06:02 | so i install that in the chroot ?
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| 06:02 | <ogra> it always was
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| 06:02 | it was no separate source
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| 06:02 | <johnny> maybe i'm not awake enough to be here :)
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| 06:02 | so why all the other package updates?
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| 06:02 | <ogra> but ldm always had its own binary package
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| 06:03 | because the surce wasnt split in gutsy
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| 06:03 | so you need to upload the whole of ltsp to build ldm
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| 06:03 | now ldm has its own source package so you only have to rebuild that separately
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| 06:05 | its easier for security updates etc
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| 06:09 | <johnny> so.. that src thing says hardy
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| 06:09 | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/francis-giraldeau/ubuntu hardy main
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| 06:09 | <ogra> just grab the package
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| 06:09 | <johnny> and just dpkg ?
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| 06:09 | <ogra> yep
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| 06:10 | else you update all of ltsp
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| 06:10 | <johnny> i'm still getting up to speed with certain apt intricacies
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| 06:10 | some of the servers i maintain are debian, but all i've had to do is use apt-file and the normal apt-get update and upgrade
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| 06:11 | now ubuntu goes and makes it more complicated, on top of the extra apt suite commands i've used lately :)
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| 06:13 | * johnny tries to figure out how to see what packages are installed | |
| 06:13 | <ogra> where does ubuntu make it complicated ?
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| 06:13 | you can still use apt-file and the normal apt-get update and upgrade for normal system maintanance
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| 06:14 | <johnny> nah.. it's not ubuntu really, just the sutff i'm trying to do with ubuntu since using it
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| 06:14 | i was just jokin around
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| 06:14 | <ogra> for dist upgrades we do something different
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| 06:14 | simply because apt doesnt offer all the functionallity we need there
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| 06:15 | but in normal operations it works as any debian :)
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| 06:15 | <johnny> how can i see which packages are installed?
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| 06:15 | <ogra> dpkg -l
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| 06:15 | <johnny> oh.. it's not in an apt command
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| 06:15 | i was readin help text for those
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| 06:16 | <ogra> or better: dpkg -l|grep "^ii"
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| 06:20 | <johnny> hmm
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| 06:20 | ldm: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.3) but 1.18.2-0ubuntu1 is installed
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| 06:22 | <ogra> oh
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| 06:22 | so he messed up the deps
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| 06:22 | <johnny> should i just force it?
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| 06:22 | <ogra> mail him
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| 06:23 | no, apt-get -f install
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| 06:23 | that should revert the changes
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| 06:23 | <johnny> that wants to remove ldm, ltsp-client, ltspfs
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| 06:24 | <ogra> ouch
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| 06:24 | well, he compiled it against debian pacage instead of ubutu packages it seems (teh version number is a debian one)
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| 06:24 | get the old ldm out of the archive and dpkg -i it
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| 06:25 | <johnny> uhm? which archive?
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| 06:25 | <ogra> archive.ubuntu.com :)
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| 06:26 | <johnny> from here ? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ldm/
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| 06:26 | <ogra> yep
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| 06:26 | <johnny> those are pre
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| 06:26 | <ogra> no
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| 06:27 | pre is hardy
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| 06:27 | you dont want these
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| 06:27 | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ltsp/#
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| 06:28 | rather get them there
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| 06:28 | :)
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| 06:28 | (as said before the source was only split in gutsy ... a.u.c sorts by source packages)
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| 06:29 | <johnny> aha..
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| 06:29 | ok, fixed
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| 06:29 | <ogra> err s/gutsy/hardy
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| 06:29 | <johnny> now if only i could build the package
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| 06:30 | <ogra> apt-get build-dep ltsp
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| 06:30 | then get the source package and use debbuild
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| 06:30 | or dpkg-buildpackage
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| 06:30 | or pbuilder
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| 06:31 | * ogra just implemented one click package installation for the image :))) | |
| 06:31 | <ogra> ltsp-gtk-shell becomes a cool littel app :)
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| 06:32 | <johnny> hmm.. this is where the amd64 vs i386 comes into play
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| 06:32 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client --chroot development
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| 06:32 | ;)
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| 06:33 | ltsp-build-client --chroot development --arch i386 arather :)
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| 06:33 | *rather
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| 06:33 | that creates /opt/ltsp/development ... a chroot to play with ;)
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| 06:34 | in i386 architectur
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| 06:34 | e
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| 06:35 | (you could as well just use debootstrap though)
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| 06:44 | <johnny> wasn't there a wiki page on this?
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| 06:45 | i can't remember where it was
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| 06:47 | you said "then get the source package and use debbuild" that's sorta greek to me :)
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| 06:47 | i'm used to gentoo where you're always working with the src
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| 06:47 | so there's not build-dep stuff going on
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| 06:47 | you'r always doing that :)
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| 06:50 | moquist, did you ever work out the xterminator problems with MasterOne or were they unfounded?
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| 07:03 | <johnny> ogra, i have all the packages now
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| 07:04 | <ogra> apt-get source ltsp
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| 07:05 | patch it ....
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| 07:05 | cd <sourcedir>
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| 07:05 | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b
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| 07:05 | that will build a binary
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| 07:54 | <johnny> uggh
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| 07:54 | i built the binary, but still getting that error
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| 07:54 | the debian version mismatch
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| 07:58 | <johnny> ok.. brb
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| 07:58 | going to the store
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| 08:23 | <johnny_> now i'm where my thin clients are
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| 08:26 | <cliebow> slow and not much memory??
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| 08:26 | <johnny_> lol
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| 08:26 | good one
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| 08:26 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 08:28 | at 57 it is where i am...8~)
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| 08:35 | <johnny_> hmm.. now what..
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| 08:36 | the launchpad entry is still wrong here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ltsp-localapps
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| 09:02 | <johnny_> uggh.. what am i doing wrong :(
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| 09:04 | <johnny_> i built it, but i'm still getting the version errors
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| 10:16 | <johnny_> hmm, i installed packaging docs, but i can't seem to find them in the help system
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| 10:16 | uggh silly me
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| 10:16 | that's an odd problem
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| 10:28 | <ogra> johnny, hmm, right, it used to register in teh help viewer, seems thats not teh case anymore, use "firefox file:///usr/share/packaging-guide/html/C/index.html"
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| 10:29 | <johnny_> ok, i thought i was just dumb :)
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| 10:32 | does anybody else find it humourous that the help file has a help option? :)
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| 10:32 | err help app (yelp)
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| 11:32 | <johnny_> hmm, packaging files is pretty involved
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| 11:49 | <johnny_> reading that document didnt' make it any easier to build a package
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| 11:49 | i got farther with the five steps ogra posted earlier
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| 12:43 | <Drakeweb> cliebow_: I updated the ltsp wiki as you requested, at least with the esesix client
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| 12:46 | <cliebow_> cool! it is a great resource for us all...8~)
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| 12:50 | neowarre? perhaps i should find a few??
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> what is this spam from ian davidson all about?
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| 13:42 | <moquist> johnny: didn't work them out; MasterOne is right. xterminator-0.2 doesn't work, period.
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| 13:43 | johnny: it works OK in testing on the command line, but not during login. Not sure why, yet.
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| 13:44 | johnny: people should just use xterminator-0.1-4 for now.
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| 13:54 | <johnny> what was the difference?
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| 14:19 | <Drakeweb> cliebow_: where are you located? if you're in the UK, I can recommend a cheap source of neoware clients
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| 14:20 | <cliebow_> no in Maine usa
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| 14:20 | * vagrantc chuckles | |
| 14:20 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 14:20 | <johnny> moquist, what was the difference between 0.1-4 vs 0.2 ?
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| 14:21 | <cliebow_> vagrantc:why chucklest thou??
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> well, Drakeweb has been working on getting those neoware clients working for quite some time, and now has a cheap source of them? :)
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| 14:23 | <cliebow_> i see..
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| 14:24 | i tohught you were disparagingcheapo clients like i have..i would have been miffed..
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> no, no. i mostly use old refurbished computers for thin clients ... i wouldn't disparage much of anything
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| 14:28 | <Drakeweb> Well, I say "cheap". You you guys they're probably a month's pay each, at least at the current rate of exchange!
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:30 | free, then? :)
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| 14:30 | <cliebow_> we lost like a million in State funding this year..
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| 14:33 | <Drakeweb> here's a quicky for those of you not taxing the techie side of your brain at the moment ...
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| 14:33 | does anyone know why, when logging on to my thin client, the desktop wallpaper doesn't appear?
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| 14:34 | the background remains black
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| 14:34 | it re-appears after a few actions, and usually an error about nautilus ...
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| 14:34 | it's got me beat, but then again, so have most things LTSP ...
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| 15:01 | <stgraber> Drakeweb: it has to be related to nautilus as it's this one which draws the background
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| 15:01 | Drakeweb: maybe a remaining lock of a previous instance of nautilus (or one still running when you open the session)
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| 15:11 | <Drakeweb> stgraber: thanks for the info. what is nautilus? could it be caused by powering off my thin client without logging off and then powering up and logging back in?
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| 15:13 | <stgraber> probably, nautilus is the file manager and icon/background software for gnome
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| 15:18 | <Drakeweb> what can i do to fix this problem?
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| 15:18 | it doesn't seem to happen on the server desktop, only the thin client desktops
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| 15:43 | <moquist> johnny: a nice reimplementation that apparently has a bug.
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| 15:43 | <johnny> no added features?
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| 15:44 | <moquist> johnny: nope, removed feature. :)
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| 15:44 | johnny: 0.1-4 had a feature to wait 30 seconds after logout and clear out all remaining processes owned by $USER, but this feature had a serious bug that occasionally killed all the sessions on a server at once. !!!!!!!
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| 15:45 | <johnny> well that could cause a problem..ast he server is used as a desktop
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| 15:45 | <moquist> the 0.1-4 code really wasn't polished or ready for release, but I packaged it and put it in my PPA so others could try it out.
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| 15:45 | <johnny> including our point of sale software
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| 15:45 | <moquist> I commented out the buggy feature, but the code was really quite messy.
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| 15:45 | <johnny> aha..
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| 15:45 | <moquist> so sbalneav did a nice job of reimplementing it (minus my commented-out and questionable feature)
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| 15:45 | it tests fine on the command line, but apparently not for login.
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| 15:46 | I've verified that it's broken, but not figured out (yet) why.
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| 15:46 | <johnny> maybe you put it in the wrong place? :)
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| 19:50 | <jammcq> damned power failures :(
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| 20:24 | <daya> can I use boot splasy in ltsp 5 in etch
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