IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 March 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:15 | <elias_a> muppis: You are absolutely right - It is suitable for demo purposes just like M$ software...
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| 01:15 | Real work is another thing ;-)
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| 01:19 | <muppis> :D
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| 02:16 | <xavier_brochard> hello I've just installed a fresh debian squeeze ltsp and client won't boot: nothing happened after pxelinux.o is loaded any idea?
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| 02:17 | sorry, it seems it doesnt load pxelinux.o
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| 02:19 | <alkisg> xavier_brochard: what are the exact lines on the client?
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| 02:19 | Getting IP, tftp failure etc, anything it writes there
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| 02:22 | <xavier_brochard> hi alkis, you've just helped me! The client display Loading 192.168.1.1 /ltsp/i386/pxeinux.O - But the IP is wrong
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| 02:23 | But I don't understand why the ip for tftp is different from the one of the server
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| 02:24 | <alkisg> You have 2 dhcp servers? Or, an invalid "next-server" in dhcpd.conf?
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| 02:25 | <xavier_brochard> only one dhcp server (192.168.1.20) but next-server 192.168.1.1 in the dhcp.conf - as allways
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| 02:26 | <alkisg> next-server is the tftp server
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| 02:26 | So if that's not what you want, change it
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| 02:27 | Or completely remove that line
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| 02:27 | (it defaults to the dhcp server)
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| 02:27 | <xavier_brochard> ok thanks, I have never realised that it was for the tftp
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| 02:28 | <alkisg> Maybe you're looking for "option router"?
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| 02:30 | <xavier_brochard> I've change the line, it works. Thanks again, you provide allways great help.
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| 03:43 | <elias_a> | |
| 03:43 | <alkisg> Wwwooooowww!
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| 03:43 | elias_a: any links, even in Finnish?
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| 03:44 | <elias_a> I am trying to think about the price tag for training in a worst case scenarion.
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| 03:44 | scenario...
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| 03:44 | alkisg: Not yet - writing a paper soon to be published.
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| 03:44 | Or wait...
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| 03:45 | http://www.avopaikka.fi/kankaanp%C3%A4%C3%A4n-lukiolle-30-000-euron-s%C3%A4%C3%A4st%C3%B6t-linuxilla
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| 03:45 | But the volume is not mentioned there.
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| 03:45 | Now I have the actual figures.
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| 03:45 | <alkisg> elias_a: Thanks! When you're done with the paper, please post it in the ltsp-discuss mailing list :)
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| 03:46 | <elias_a> | |
| 03:46 | Proprietary boys will have some real problems with me in near future...
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| 03:47 | <alkisg> Coooool!
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| 03:47 | <elias_a> So, please help me with the counter argument...
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| 03:48 | The prices do not include training.
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| 03:48 | <alkisg> What's the counter argument?
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| 03:48 | <knipwim> it's probably easier to find windows trained people
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| 03:48 | <elias_a> What could be the price tag for training 20 teachers to use LTSP instead of Windoze.
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| 03:49 | <alkisg> Training is temporary, after a few years there won't be any difference in training about LTSP vs training about Windows
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| 03:49 | <elias_a> knipwim: There are no qualifications for the IT skills for teachers in Finland.
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| 03:49 | They sort of just "can" it...
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| 03:49 | God given, unquestioned myth :)
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| 03:49 | <knipwim> i meant administrators; on the long run, a school might not want to dependent on an LTSP admin who might leave the school
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| 03:53 | <elias_a> knipwim: That model is not used in Finland. LTSP is bought as a service. Multiple vendors -> competition.
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| 03:53 | Well - some do but in most cases not.
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| 03:55 | So administration is not a problem.
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| 03:55 | <knipwim> nice
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| 03:55 | <elias_a> Would you guys be interested to have a webinar later this spring about the way things are here in Finland?
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| 03:56 | Not a real success story yet but we are making progress.
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| 04:49 | <elias_a> Could someone check out the nominal output of a power of a thin client power?
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| 05:05 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 05:14 | <evil_root> morning
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| 05:14 | <shamino> elias: well that most likely depends on hardware. we have intel atom-based TCs in compucase mini-itx -chassis. power supply is hec-120sa-7fx and it has 120W max power output. i checked the energy consumption while ago and it was 35W-50W..
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| 05:15 | <highvoltage> good morning mgariepy
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| 07:16 | <elias_a> shamino: Thank you!
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| 07:36 | <thunsucker> Would you guys recommend 10.04 or 10.10 for a fresh fat client setup?
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| 07:47 | <thunsucker> tryign to a build a fat client on ubuntu 10.04 and I get this
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| 07:47 | Reading package lists... Done
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| 07:47 | Building dependency tree
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| 07:47 | Reading state information... Done
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| 07:47 | E: Couldn't find package #
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| 07:47 | umount: /opt/ltsp/i386/proc: device is busy.
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| 07:47 | (In some cases useful info about processes that use
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| 07:48 | the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> thunsucker: put ltsp-build-client.conf to pastebin
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| 07:48 | <thunsucker> alkisg: it's the generic one from the wiki (<---this is trey) from yesterday
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| 07:49 | i commented a few things out
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| 07:49 | LATE_PACKAGES="
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| 07:49 | ubuntu-restricted-extras
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| 07:49 | # gimp
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| 07:49 | # nfs-client
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| 07:49 | # flashplugin-nonfree
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| 07:49 | "
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> thunsucker: right, so it must be trying to install a package .. with no name or something?
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| 07:49 | Yup
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| 07:49 | You can't comment inside a string
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| 07:49 | Remove those lines completely
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| 07:49 | <thunsucker> the #
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| 07:49 | ?
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 07:50 | <thunsucker> the default one has one there already
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> LATE_PACKAGES="
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| 07:50 | ubuntu-restricted-extras
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| 07:50 | "
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| 07:50 | See the quotes
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| 07:50 | Those quotes form a string
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| 07:50 | You can't have comments inside a string
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| 07:50 | <thunsucker> okay
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> You can have comments outside of strings
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| 07:51 | thunsucker: unmount the chroot/proc before re-running ltsp-build-client
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| 07:51 | <thunsucker> alkisg: k
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> If unsure, reboot the server if it's easy for you
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| 07:52 | <thunsucker> alkisg: will reboot, tried to umount it but gave error that it was busy
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> sudo lsof /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 07:52 | But ok reboot it's easier
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| 07:55 | <thunsucker> alkisg: ty for the info, building the client again :P
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> thunsucker: hehe so the wiki page is broken now with the comment on flashplugin
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| 07:57 | <thunsucker> alkisg: yes lol
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> It was broken in rev. 23 by linuxadmin...
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| 08:04 | <thunsucker> alkisg: thats no fun, I tried to update it but had to reset my password
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| 08:04 | <alkisg> You password? Why?
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| 08:04 | <thunsucker> looks like you already got it :P
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| 08:04 | <alkisg> Ah, the wiki? Yes just right now
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| 08:04 | <thunsucker> I was able to make changes to the wiki stuff before, just don't remember my password for the login I used
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> Scotty!!!
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> !s
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> the sun shines again
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> ...and still no bot. :)
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> honestly, rather have Scotty than the bot
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| 08:31 | <alkisg> But it doesn't matter because we now have pam_sshauth!!!
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> the bot always talked back
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> So I imagine in a couple of years we'll be able to use a standalone PC to connect to an ltsp server, with sound and localdev and all :)
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| 08:33 | <sbalneav> Ah, the bot!
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| 08:33 | <slaps forhead>
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| 08:33 | I'll get to that today.
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> np, no hurry
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| 08:33 | How are you doing?
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| 08:33 | <sbalneav> Well, some good, some bad.
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| 08:34 | Works slowing down slightly, allowing me to get back into the swing of things.
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| 08:34 | My guts are giving me trouble. Hard to tell if it's something stress related, or something more sinister.
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> Gadi missed you so much that he didn't make *any* yo' momma's jokes all that time :D
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> My doctor has me undetaking a "shitload" (haha) of tests, and he'll determine if more invasive procedures are needed from there.
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> Ouch
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> so we'll see.
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| 08:35 | HOWEVER... that aside.
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| 08:36 | I've got the SSH tunnel down to ONE LINE of SHELL SCRIPT code. Just for you, Gadi.
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> :)
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> so now we need to figure out how to glue all of this stuff together.
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> I specialize in glue
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| 08:36 | eating, sniffing,
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> Eeeeugh. White glue tastes awful.
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> see? now we know why ur guts hurt
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> heh.
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> stop eating the white glue
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| 08:37 | :)
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> :D
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> Oh, THAT'S the problem!
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| 08:37 | WHY WASN'T THERE A WARNING LABEL?!
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| 08:38 | * Gadi wonders why he is idling on hold to contest a $6 charge - see what the economy has done to me? | |
| 08:39 | <sbalneav> Anywho, now what we need is to find a few intrepid hackers and set aside a block of a couple of hours to actually hack up a chroot and see if this can be made to work.
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| 08:39 | So my question is: any takers? And when?
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> Intrepid? /me is using Lucid... :P
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> <smack>
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| 08:41 | * alkisg would love to help but needs to move on with his phd... :( | |
| 08:41 | <alkisg> I love the "ldm not needed anymore" idea
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Oh:
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| 08:42 | alkisg:
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| 08:42 | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110320.html
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| 08:43 | Anyone see the megamoon last night? I didn't; it was overcast :(
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| 08:43 | <alkisg> Whoo, he must have used a telescope to take that picture
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> sbalneav: I have a million things to do too - but unlike some people, I excel at procrastination
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| 08:48 | <thunsucker> pastebin!
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| 08:48 | http://pastebin.com/kxLtXuQj
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| 08:48 | alkisg: http://pastebin.com/kxLtXuQj
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> thunsucker: line 6
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| 08:49 | <thunsucker> alkisg: n/m ignore that, I know whats wrong with with that
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> No space left on device
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| 08:49 | <thunsucker> alkisg: thats what I get for keeping the 20 copies of different builds lol
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> :)
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| 08:50 | <thunsucker> how much space is needed for a fat client build
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| 08:50 | not more than 10g's right?
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> Depends on what you put it in
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| 08:51 | For the wiki page defaults, less than 5
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| 08:51 | <thunsucker> cool
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> Also remember to re-enable compression and to disable nbd-proxy
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| 08:52 | It makes fat clients 2.5 times faster
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I try to excel at procrastination, but I keep putting it off.
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| 08:52 | tail recursion.
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| 08:57 | <roasted_> whats up fellas
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| 08:58 | might be installing LTSP to production faster than we thought. Our current ncomputing solution has been down for 2 days, yet the server says it's up. :P
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| 09:00 | <thunsucker> roasted_: another win for LTSP :P
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| 09:00 | <roasted_> I hear ya
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| 09:01 | we just gotta dig up 30 old boxes to put in place
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| 09:01 | cause ncomputing uses proprietary client stations with no cpu and no ram in them at all
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| 09:01 | <thunsucker> roasted_: libraries and schools are a great place to get them
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| 09:02 | <roasted_> we are a school
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| 09:02 | :)
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| 09:02 | <thunsucker> cool even easier then
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| 09:02 | school in the us?
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| 09:02 | <roasted_> we have the old boxes
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| 09:02 | theyre just crappy enough that XP doesnt work
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| 09:02 | but
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| 09:02 | for LTSP... perfect gear :P
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| 09:02 | yes, in the US
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| 09:02 | brb in 10, gonna grab lunch
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| 09:02 | <thunsucker> yup yup
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| 09:10 | <roasted_> man
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| 09:10 | school lunches are expensive
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| 09:11 | anyway yeah
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| 09:11 | we have anothe rthing to try with ncomputing, but Im skeptical itll work
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| 09:11 | I have a feeling we'll be truckin down to the warehouse where we have these old systems stored
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| 09:11 | glad we never tossed them
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| 09:13 | <thunsucker> yup
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| 09:13 | you guys a college or a k12?
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| 09:16 | <roasted_> k12
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| 09:16 | budgets are crazy tight nowadays, so LTSP came along just in time
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| 09:17 | my boss asked me if I could get ubuntu on the domain, because we cant afford windows 7and he was afraid xPs support would get dropped sooner than we were prepared for
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| 09:17 | in doing so I found ltsp
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| 09:17 | came in here and been bugging the developers ever since. :P
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| 09:17 | <thunsucker> roasted_: thats the best way
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| 09:18 | <roasted_> I've learned a ton here. I mean, it's one thing to read the material but sometimes it's nice to hear different scenarios out there too
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| 09:18 | <thunsucker> i'm currently the network admin with a team of guys for about 7 schools
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| 09:18 | <roasted_> and since nobody I know is using LTSP personally I feel like such a guinea pig
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| 09:18 | <thunsucker> if you never any help I'll be glad to help with my limited knowledge lol, schools and their super's can be interesting
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| 09:18 | <roasted_> yeah, we have 7 schools as well. 8 buildings total w/ the admin building
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| 09:19 | we might be presenting this next week
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| 09:19 | to the admins
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| 09:19 | <thunsucker> very cool
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| 09:19 | <roasted_> if I'm the one doing the talking, which I have a feeling I might be since I'm kind of the pusher of LTSP in the department, it'll be very interesting
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| 09:19 | because I believe in the open source model
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| 09:19 | everything about it I think is so robust and rock solid
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| 09:20 | <thunsucker> roasted_: your admins scared of open source?
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| 09:20 | <roasted_> like I talk to vendors of other software companies. microsoft being the obvious one, ncomputing, etc
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| 09:20 | and their engineers dont sound like they know htat much
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| 09:20 | yet I talk to some guys in here and it's evident these guys know their stuff
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| 09:20 | they used to be
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| 09:20 | Ive been here 3 yrs, and I've quietly pushed open source all along
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| 09:21 | nobody really listened because we had the money to dish out for MS OFfice, etc.
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| 09:21 | then some spending cuts came about a year nad a half ago
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| 09:21 | <thunsucker> roasted_: make sure to mention one of the benefits of ltsp, that you can have several machines "ready to go" in case any of your machines die, and the downtime is only long enought to swap boxes
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| 09:21 | <roasted_> I pushed for openoffice in the labs, and we got it.
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| 09:21 | <thunsucker> roasted_: that is awesome
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| 09:21 | <roasted_> yeah
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| 09:21 | <thunsucker> I actually work for an erate contractor
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| 09:22 | so I'm in and out of all these big and small districts and everyone is hurting for money
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| 09:28 | <jsass> hello all.
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| 09:30 | Can anybody tell me why the following configuration would result in my clients not being able to log in? here's a pastebin of my network interfaces conf file: http://pastebin.com/m7sEqNFC
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| 09:31 | if I comment out the gateway line in eth0, everything works great
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| 09:31 | the gateway IS correct, and the server can access the internet. However, none of the clients can log in
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> jsass: maybe leave the gateway, boot the clients with SCREEN_02=shell/SCREEN_07=ldm, and try to debug it from the client?
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| 09:35 | <evil_root> and jsass are you using a two nic setup and sending your client traffic threw the server, or you sending the clients out the gateway?
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| 09:35 | <jsass> alkisg: which log file should I be checking? I'm in shell right now
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> jsass: try: ssh user@server
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| 09:35 | <jsass> evil_root: This is a two-nic setup
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> Change user with an existing username, leave server as it is,don't change the nme
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| 09:35 | name
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| 09:36 | Check for any ssh warnings/errors
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| 09:36 | <jsass> alkisg: I am able to SSH from a client shell to the server
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> Without any warnings? OK, switch to ldm and try from there too
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| 09:38 | <jsass> ok
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| 09:39 | ...hmm... ok, now it works.
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| 09:39 | before an ssh from client to server would hang. no errors
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> Try again after a client reboot
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| 09:39 | <jsass> it just sat there...
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| 09:39 | <thunsucker> jsass: how long did you wait?
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| 09:39 | <jsass> so I was pretty surprised that I was able to ssh
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> You didn't see any warnings at all when you tried to ssh from the shell?
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| 09:40 | <jsass> thunsucker: it seemed like 5 minutes at least.
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| 09:40 | alkisg: I saw no warnings. It just sat there. I couldn't ^C out of the ssh attempt either.
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> Ah, you tried from the console and it hanged?
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| 09:41 | sometimes ctrl+z works for me when ctrl+c fails
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| 09:41 | <jsass> alkisg: correct
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| 09:41 | ok, after client reboot, I was able to log right in
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| 09:41 | weird.
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| 09:42 | is there something that has to time out in order to have a properly working login with gateway specified?
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| 09:42 | <roasted_> welp
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| 09:42 | looks like we're moving forward
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| 09:42 | and.. uh... fast
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| 09:42 | <thunsucker> roasted_: cheer
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| 09:42 | <roasted_> boss couldnt even wait till our 2pm meeting
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| 09:42 | <jsass> roasted_: congratulations!
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| 09:42 | <roasted_> he just came in here just now
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| 09:42 | we need a solution. now.
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| 09:43 | <thunsucker> roasted_: you have a badboy server ready for ltsp?
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| 09:43 | <roasted_> this whole "we need things to work but we cant spend anything" argument is such BS.
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| 09:43 | thunsucker: I do, but it only had 2gb of ram.
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| 09:43 | I asked him to get me more ram
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| 09:43 | but budget cuts etc
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| 09:43 | <thunsucker> roasted_: do you clients have at least 512MB of ram?
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| 09:43 | <roasted_> well then you have no solution
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| 09:43 | thunsucker: not sure of that. I have to go to the warehouse now to see.
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| 09:43 | thunsucker: I would think they MIGHT.
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| 09:43 | if they do I could try fat clients
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| 09:43 | 512 RAM on 1.8ghz P4's...
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| 09:43 | eh?
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| 09:44 | <thunsucker> yea that would be fine depending on what they do
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| 09:44 | <roasted_> libre office, firefox
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| 09:44 | light duty for the most part
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| 09:44 | <thunsucker> flash will kill them
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| 09:44 | lol
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| 09:44 | <roasted_> no CADD stuff
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> Haha those are the heaviest programs :)
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| 09:44 | <roasted_> flash kills those boxes with XP installed
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| 09:44 | so I'm not concerned
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> Cad is usually lighter :D
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| 09:44 | <roasted_> whaaaaat
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| 09:44 | alkisg: thats crazy
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> hehe
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| 09:44 | <thunsucker> alkisg: ty dude, i was able to build the fat client
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| 09:44 | <roasted_> it should work tho - right?
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| 09:45 | <thunsucker> but only just by the hair on my chin: /dev/sda1 7.5G 7.1G 99M 99% /
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| 09:45 | <roasted_> maybe not break any speed records but it SHOULD. right??
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| 09:45 | <thunsucker> roasted_: yes
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| 09:45 | do you guys run full blown desktops or terminal servers?
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| 09:45 | * alkisg just loves it when people say - "I don't want anything heavy, just to be able to surf on the net with youtube, facebook games etc" that's a cpu killer | |
| 09:45 | <thunsucker> lol
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| 09:45 | <roasted_> alkisg: well its light compared to photoshop and a lot of our other apps :P
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| 09:45 | light for US... imo...
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| 09:46 | thunsucker: we have propreitary terminal servers for ncomputing, but we're ripping them out
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| 09:46 | everything else is a dedicated box
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| 09:46 | the oldest gear we have are compaq evos @ 1.8ghz P4 and 512 RAM (I think)
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| 09:46 | if they don't have 512 we might be able to bump them up
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| 09:46 | <thunsucker> roasted_: should be fine then
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| 09:46 | how many clients does this thing need to run
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| 09:46 | <roasted_> 30 minimal
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| 09:46 | possibly 50
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| 09:47 | ncomputing houses 2 labs now
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| 09:47 | 1, of 30, is top priority
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> My kids are able to run gimp with 512Mb RAM, but they can't play pet-society on facebook with the same PC
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| 09:47 | <roasted_> the 2nd, of 20, is kinda whatever
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| 09:47 | in my experience, 512 ram will allow firefox (1 tab), gimp, and 1 instance of openoffice to run without any noticeable lab
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| 09:47 | I havent tested video streaming or anything
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> Video without flash is very light
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| 09:47 | Video with flash... sucks
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| 09:48 | <roasted_> that being said, I gotta bounce guys. I Gotta see what old gear we have in the warehouse
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| 09:48 | alkisg: you are the man. appreciate all the time you've given me so far with helping get this off the ground.
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> np, wish you luck
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| 09:48 | bb
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| 09:48 | <roasted_> mucho thanks. later!
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| 10:25 | <roasted__> thunsucker: ping
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| 10:25 | <thunsucker> roasted__: pong
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| 10:25 | lol
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| 10:25 | <roasted__> thunsucker: do you have LTSP in the field
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| 10:25 | in your district
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| 10:26 | <thunsucker> roasted__: yes
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| 10:26 | <roasted__> what kind of a setup do you have
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| 10:26 | like how many clients, servers, etc
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| 10:27 | <NeonLicht> Do you use "mucho gracias"?
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| 10:27 | <thunsucker> roasted__: i work at many different districts, not just one
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| 10:27 | <roasted__> ah
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| 10:27 | are you in the US
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| 10:27 | <thunsucker> roasted__: yup
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| 10:27 | <roasted__> nice, nice
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| 10:27 | good to see other US schools are using Ubuntu
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| 10:27 | or anything other than apple/windows for that matter
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| 10:27 | <thunsucker> roasted__: I run the regular thin client setup, but none of my clients use the ubuntu desktop
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| 10:27 | <roasted__> what do they use?
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| 10:28 | <thunsucker> roasted__: running a screen script to access windows terminal servers
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| 10:28 | <roasted__> :(
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| 10:28 | <thunsucker> roasted__: working on dev with a fat client right now though, to change that
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| 10:28 | <evil_root> we have some schools up here in montana using ltsp
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| 10:28 | <roasted__> nice
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| 10:28 | <thunsucker> oklahoma here
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| 10:28 | <evil_root> :)
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| 10:28 | <roasted__> I'm trying to find some extra RAM to bump these old rigs to 512
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| 10:28 | cause I need to try a fat image for them with only having 2gb in the server
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| 10:29 | <thunsucker> you could try them as th in clients to see what happens
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| 10:29 | or
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| 10:29 | you could try them with less than 512 as a fat client
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| 10:29 | <roasted__> 2gb ram on the server for 30 clients?
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| 10:29 | recipe for disaster :P
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| 10:29 | <evil_root> not if u use links for the browser and blackbox for the window manager
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| 10:29 | :P
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> roasted__: are you using LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 10:31 | it may also help you eek out more performance
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| 10:32 | <roasted__> Gadi: never heard of it...??
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> try setting LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf (for thin clients)
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| 10:33 | and then try your video stuff
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| 10:33 | see if it helps
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| 10:34 | <thunsucker> roasted__: why do you ask if I have a in the field setup? you having issues getting things started?
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| 10:35 | <roasted__> thunsucker: no I was just curious if you had already done setups
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| 10:35 | <thunsucker> roasted__: ahh yes, many. this is my first trip down the fat client path
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| 10:37 | roasted__: the fat client guide is very detailed and will walk you through it
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| 10:37 | <thunsucker> assuming that you're goign to use ubuntu
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| 10:39 | <roasted__> thunsucker: what fat client guide?
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| 10:39 | I felt like fat client doucmentation was kind of slim... perhaps you can link me??
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| 10:40 | <thunsucker> roasted__: best collection of documents: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
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| 10:40 | roasted__: specific fat client that I've been using: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 10:41 | <roasted__> one thing I had a hard time grasping was the chroot
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| 10:41 | because I could have sworn yesterday when I installed an app on the fat client SERVER, the client got that app
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| 10:41 | which confused me, I thought I had to install it to the fat chroot for the client to see it
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| 10:41 | <thunsucker> roasted__: i will explain
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| 10:42 | you have the server, and then the chroot
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| 10:42 | <roasted__> and the chroot = client image
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| 10:42 | right
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| 10:42 | <thunsucker> yes
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| 10:42 | <roasted__> its what the clients *see*
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| 10:42 | <thunsucker> think of them as 2 different machines
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| 10:42 | 2 different devices
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| 10:42 | <roasted__> right
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| 10:42 | independent
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| 10:43 | <thunsucker> you have to install the software in each
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| 10:43 | if you want the server and chroot to see
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| 10:43 | if you only want it on the server, you only install it ont he server
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| 10:43 | so they do not share software installs
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| 10:43 | you must install software individually on each
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| 10:43 | <roasted__> so realistically if I don't need the software on the server, the server can remain a vanilla edubuntu install
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| 10:44 | and I can just chroot in and apt-get whatever I need
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| 10:44 | therefore
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| 10:44 | <thunsucker> roasted__: you bet
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| 10:44 | <roasted__> the clients could have 1,000 apps
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| 10:44 | and the server may have just default apps
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| 10:44 | <thunsucker> roasted__: correct
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| 10:44 | <roasted__> that's EXACTLY what I thought
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| 10:44 | however
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| 10:44 | I could have sworn in my testing yesterday I added an app to the SERVER
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| 10:44 | and my fat client saw it
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| 10:44 | maybe I messed up tho
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| 10:44 | I was multitasking like no other
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| 10:45 | <thunsucker> it might also be an app thats already int he chroot
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| 10:45 | <roasted__> thunsucker: and even if I edit my lts.conf so I force EVERYBODY to use thin clients, even if I'm on a fat chroot, I STILL have to install software through the chroot for the fat image. right?
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| 10:45 | like regardless of what lts.conf says
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| 10:45 | if I have a fat chroot, I install through chroot
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| 10:45 | etc
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| 10:45 | if I have a thin chroot, then I can install from software center on server and it's good
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| 10:46 | <thunsucker> roasted__: let me answer your question in private :)
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| 10:46 | get my im?
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| 10:47 | <roasted__> yup. sorry looked away from laptop
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| 10:57 | <bencer_> hi all, do you know how to make localapps use the same gtk theme than the whole gnome environment running on the server, so users doesn't notice localapps with a different look?
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| 11:39 | <thunsucker> correct me if I'm wrong
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| 11:39 | <thunsucker> but when using ubuntu+ltsp in a thinclient setup, you must install apps individually on the server and in the chroot, correct?
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| 11:40 | installing on the server allows me to access it on the server, installing it only in the chroot allows me to only access it from the chroot
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| 11:42 | <thefinn93> yes
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| 11:42 | that sound correct to me
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| 11:43 | <thunsucker> yup
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| 11:43 | that is the way it's always been
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| 11:43 | someone claimed they installed a few things on the server and they appeared in the chroot, maybe a script that syncs them?
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| 11:43 | lol
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| 11:43 | <roasted__> yarp
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| 11:44 | I NEVER installed apps to the thin chroot
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| 11:44 | yet
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| 11:44 | my thin clients can see them, use them, access them, etc
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| 11:44 | not so with my fat setup. very different.
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| 11:44 | <thefinn93> yes, but they can't run locally
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| 11:44 | <roasted__> right
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| 11:44 | I see the server eating more ram/cpu when the clients launch apps
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| 11:44 | they're definitely using server resources
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| 11:45 | <thunsucker> roasted__: did you do all the installs from the gui
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| 11:45 | did you do any commands from the command line interface?
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| 11:45 | <roasted__> I always do apt-get install unless I dont know the exact command for the program I want
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| 11:45 | <thunsucker> okay
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| 11:45 | <roasted__> and sometimes I browse software center just to see whats there, and if I see something, I install there
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| 11:45 | <thunsucker> gotcha
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| 11:46 | did you do any commands with the word" chroot" in them?
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| 11:46 | <roasted__> only on my fat server
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| 11:46 | which Im working on as we speak
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| 11:46 | I know how to install apps through chroot
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| 11:46 | I'm just telling you, I never have on the other box with the thin client setup
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| 11:46 | you do sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and launch your aptget commands there to install
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| 11:46 | then update
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| 11:46 | right
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| 11:47 | <thunsucker> roasted__: yes lol but thats what I'm telling you dude
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| 11:47 | <roasted__> like as we speak Im in chroot installing libreoffice....
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| 11:47 | I understand what you're saying
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| 11:47 | <thunsucker> when you do sudo chroot.....that is "logging" into the chroot to install apps
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| 11:47 | <roasted__> right
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| 11:47 | I'm just saying
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| 11:47 | the other box... the thin client box... I never was in chroot
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| 11:47 | <thunsucker> so on your library install of ltsp, which is the thinclient setup
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| 11:48 | you never issue the chroot commands
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| 11:48 | <roasted__> nope
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| 11:48 | just installed the apps and ran update-image
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| 11:48 | <thunsucker> you jst install an app and ltsp-update-iamge and bam it's in your chroot
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| 11:48 | <roasted__> ltsp-update-image --arch i386
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| 11:48 | it shows up on the clients
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| 11:48 | that's all I can say
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| 11:48 | with fat clients, this did NOT happen
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| 11:48 | on fat I NEED chroot for the apps to work
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| 11:49 | <thunsucker> i understand what you're saying
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| 11:49 | <roasted__> as I just now demonstrated in my test environment with my 3 fat clients to my laptop acting as a server on asecluded LAN
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| 11:49 | I just never had that on the thin setup, hwich is what I started with when I first began with LTSP
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| 11:49 | <thunsucker> tradiionally that is not how it works with fat or thin, you have to install them in the chroot
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| 11:49 | i wonder if there is a script or somethign similiar that installs them to both
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| 11:49 | when alkisg comes bck, i'll bug him about it lol
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| 11:49 | <roasted__> alksig isnt here either
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| 11:50 | yeah
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| 11:50 | he's a genius. he'd know.
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| 11:50 | <thunsucker> lol
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| 11:50 | he probably wrote something custom for you :P
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| 11:50 | <roasted__> haaa
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| 11:50 | never know!
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| 11:50 | thunsucker: you ever se tup default profiles in /etc/skel?
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| 11:50 | <thunsucker> roasted__: no
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| 11:51 | <roasted__> hm
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| 11:51 | I may have an issue here with fat clients in a moment
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| 11:51 | I THINK
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| 11:52 | <evil_root> what be the issue roasted__?
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| 11:53 | <roasted__> I totally just installed libre office to the chroot
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| 11:53 | yet
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| 11:53 | OH
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| 11:53 | WOW
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| 11:53 | I SUCK
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| 11:53 | sorry. ignore me
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| 11:54 | <evil_root> lol
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| 11:54 | <roasted__> Im so glad Im a terminal junkie. otherwise this LTSP configuring with chroot would make me sick.
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| 11:54 | I'm trying to set up a default profile using /etc/skel
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| 11:54 | but my users didnt seem to get it
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| 11:54 | my outburst above was for something unrelated
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| 11:55 | I wonder if the update might help, as the profile issues I saw was in regard to libreoffice links, but I didnt update the chroot so maybe it has no idea it exists
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| 11:55 | shrug
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| 11:59 | <evil_root> lol no clue roasted__ i have never screwed with profiles
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| 12:02 | <mgariepy> roasted__, /etc/skel is only copied when the user home directory doesn't exist
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| 12:07 | <roasted__> mgariepy: right, but if Im doing that with fat clients, I dont have to edit /etc/skel in the chroot, do I?
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| 12:07 | mgariepy: or does it use the /etc/skel of the server itself
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| 12:09 | yeah. these guys arent getting my profile I put in /etc/skel of the server
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| 12:11 | <mgariepy> not sure how it works with fat cleint
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| 12:12 | <roasted__> hmm
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| 12:12 | It doesnt look like it generated a profile for this user AT ALL
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| 12:12 | theres nothing in home on the server or in the chroot
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| 12:12 | oh boy
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| 12:13 | <thunsucker> roasted__: you follow a guide on the wiki on how to do it?
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| 12:13 | <roasted__> how to do what. default profiles?
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| 12:13 | my fat client just froze. :(
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| 12:14 | <thunsucker> what i mean is did you read about what you're trying to do
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| 12:14 | <roasted__> Im really having severe doubts about using fat instead of thin for this lab
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| 12:14 | <thunsucker> research it
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| 12:14 | find out what is expected behaviour?
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| 12:14 | <roasted__> thunsucker: what I'm trying to do I've done hundreds of times.
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| 12:14 | just never with fat clients.
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| 12:14 | works great with thin clients though
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| 12:14 | <thunsucker> what exactly are you trying to do
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| 12:15 | <roasted__> set the default profile
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| 12:15 | ubuntu uses whats in /etc/skel to copy to a users home directory
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| 12:15 | aka, profile
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| 12:15 | so I Edit the profile the way I want and copy all of the .files to /etc/skel
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| 12:15 | works great, no issues. but not with fat clients.
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| 12:15 | <thunsucker> makes sense
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| 12:15 | <roasted__> in fact, I don't even know where my user folder is. The entire server sees no entry for "test1" on the sever at all.
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| 12:15 | <thunsucker> where are you editing the profile at
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| 12:15 | and where did you copy them
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| 12:16 | <roasted__> I create a new local user, edit the way I want, log out, log in as administrator, and using root nautilus copy it over.
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| 12:16 | then Ireset perms on /etc/skel to 755 recursively
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| 12:16 | bam. done. over.
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| 12:16 | <thunsucker> on the server right?
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| 12:16 | <roasted__> works every. single. time.
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| 12:16 | yes
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| 12:16 | <thunsucker> thats your problem
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| 12:16 | do it in the chroot :)
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| 12:16 | <roasted__> that's what I was asking
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| 12:16 | however
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| 12:16 | I would think the user would have a home folder created in the chroot
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| 12:16 | but they do not
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| 12:16 | <thunsucker> or edit your profile then copy the files over to the chroot
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| 12:16 | <roasted__> anyway Igotta get to the warehouse in about 3 minutes
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| 12:16 | but
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| 12:16 | when I get back Ill try it in chroot
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| 12:16 | brb
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| 12:16 | thanks btw
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> whoa...
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| 12:17 | <roasted__> I need to clone myself so I stop having to run everywhere every 5 minutes
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| 12:17 | <thunsucker> Gadi: spam lol
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> roasted__: do you use mkhomedir?
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| 12:17 | <roasted__> I type faster than I think, what can I say
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Erm, guys, no home in the chroot
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| 12:17 | <roasted__> Gadi: no. but I gotta go... I'll be back in a bit
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> home is always on the server
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> the homedir is on the derver
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| 12:17 | <roasted__> alkisg: so where do I set /etc/skel?
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> *server even
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| 12:17 | <thunsucker> ahh gotcha
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> roasted__: in the chroot, because that's where the programs run
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> on the server - but /etc/skel only applies to new users
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| 12:18 | <roasted__> alkisg: in the /etc/skel of chroot
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> roasted__: yes
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| 12:18 | (Gadi - it's for fat clients)
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| 12:18 | <roasted__> alkisg: okay. but only for fat clients, clearly
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| 12:18 | <thunsucker> roasted had an issue earlier where on his ubuntu thin client setup, he installs an app on the servers and it magically appears in the chroot, did something change since I've been gone?
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| 12:18 | <roasted__> alkisg: because /etc/skel on the SERVER works for thin clients.
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| 12:18 | withOUT using chroot
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| 12:18 | that sound right?
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> thunsucker: nah, he's probably using thin clients if he sees the program :)
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> uhh... even with fat clients
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| 12:18 | you create users on the server
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> roasted__: yes, /etc/skel on the server is for thin clients, and /etc/skel on the chroot is for fat clients
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> their homedir is created at that time
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| 12:19 | <roasted__> Gadi: I'm tlaking about the difference from /etc/skel (server) versus /etc/skel of chroot
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| 12:19 | alkisg: bingo! thanks!
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:19 | <thunsucker> alkisg: i thought so, you have to install the apps seperately ont he server and in the chroot
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| 12:19 | <roasted__> gotta go...
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> Gadi: ah, not when they logon? Right sorry
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| 12:19 | roasted__: see what Gadi says about skel
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| 12:19 | <roasted__> what
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> ok deep breaths
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| 12:19 | <roasted__> alkisg: skel is when the home folder is first created.
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:19 | <thunsucker> lol
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:19 | <thunsucker> roasted__: you talk too fast for an answer sometimes
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| 12:20 | * alkisg uses logon scripts instead of skel :) | |
| 12:20 | <roasted__> right
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> users are created on the server
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| 12:20 | <roasted__> right
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> that action creates their homedir from /etc/skel on the server
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| 12:20 | <roasted__> right
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> when you use fat clients, /home is mounted from /home on the server
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| 12:20 | therefore, all that matters is /etc/skel on the server (where users are created)
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| 12:21 | <roasted__> here's my thing
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> whether you use fat or thin clients
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| 12:21 | <roasted__> LTSP with thin clients, I edit /etc/skel, and the new users get it accordingly.
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| 12:21 | LTSP with fat clients, I edit /etc/skel, they DO NOT get it accordingly.
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| 12:21 | <evil_root> are you editing /etc/skel in the chroot on the fat?
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| 12:21 | <roasted__> that's why I Was wondering if I had to edit /etc/skel in the chroot, or on the server, because I DID edit it on the server and it did nothing.
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| 12:21 | no
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| 12:21 | that's what I'm asking
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| 12:21 | do I edit skel in chroot, or skel on server
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> time out
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| 12:21 | <roasted__> because what I'm gathering from gadi is what I did should have worked, yet it didn't
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> stop saying chroot
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| 12:22 | :)
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| 12:22 | lol
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| 12:22 | <evil_root> lol
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> there is only one home directory
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| 12:22 | in both cases
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| 12:22 | <Q-FUNK> STOP SAYING SHIT THRU THE ROOF!
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| 12:22 | :-P
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> /etc/skel is the template for the home directory
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| 12:22 | * evil_root goes back to coloring in the corner | |
| 12:22 | <thunsucker> roasted__: you need to slow down your responses, read for a bit and understand the point people are trying to make
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> when you log in as a user on a fat client - is it not the same homedir as the same user on a thin client?
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| 12:23 | if, so how can we say they are different?
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> roasted__: as Gadi says, when you run `adduser`, /etc/skel is copied. At that exact time. It doesn't matter if you have thin, fat, or even if you don't have LTSP at all. You can run `ls /home/newuser` at that time to see if it was effective.
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> if you prick it, does it not bleed?
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| 12:24 | I just hope you guys aren't on a mobile phone
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| 12:24 | :)
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| 12:24 | <thunsucker> lol
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> that'd be some serious texting
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| 12:25 | <thunsucker> i haven't found a good irc client for my droid
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| 12:25 | <evil_root> andchat is what i use thunsucker
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| 12:25 | <thunsucker> cool i will try it out
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> thunsucker: I'm ok with www.yaaic.org
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> Gadi stop offending people they leave :P :D
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| 12:26 | <thunsucker> lol
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> whatd I say?
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| 12:26 | <thunsucker> it was probably me
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> How could you tell him to stop saying "chroot'? :D
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| 12:26 | <thunsucker> just BECAUSE i TOLD THE GUY to RELAX
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| 12:27 | i don't blame gadi for saying that
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> well, you know - it is the chroot drinking game that was getting to me
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| 12:27 | <thunsucker> the guy doesn't get it and won't read the documentation to understand how things work
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| 12:27 | <alkisg> thunsucker: just joking, he probably just lost his connection
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> well, to be fair, we were offering conflicting advice
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| 12:27 | :)
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| 12:27 | <thunsucker> we argued for 30 minutes that he installed the apps into the chroot and he claimed he only installed them on the server
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| 12:27 | <Q-FUNK> the root, the root, the root is on fire
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| 12:27 | <NeonLicht> :D
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| 12:28 | <thunsucker> we don't need no water let that mother-beeper burn
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| 12:28 | or is it we don't need no kit, that that mother-beeper root?
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| 12:29 | * alkisg made a script that puts a different wallpaper on thin clients vs fat vs the server, maybe it'll be useful in this case :) | |
| 12:30 | <thunsucker> lol
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| 12:33 | <thunsucker> alkisg: my droid does like that irc client
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| 12:42 | <roasted_> okay...
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| 12:42 | :)
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| 12:43 | <roasted_> So let me recap by saying this...
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| 12:43 | I need to edit the default profile. I would like to accomplish that task by editing /etc/skel so all new users logging in get those files accordingly, presenting them with a customized menu, desktop, etc. It's just the way I would like to get it done.
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| 12:44 | Do I need to edit /etc/skel on the server itself (root - etc - skel) or within the chroot of the fat client image on the server? (root - opt - ltsp - i386 - etc - skel)
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> roasted_: here's the answer:
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| 12:45 | the user's /home is the same on the server and client
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| 12:45 | but the rest of the OS is different
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| 12:45 | <roasted_> so I would need to edit it iwthin the chroot of the fat client
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| 12:45 | since the rest of the OS is different, and all
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> so, to the extent that you can capture all customizations in /home, there is no need to modify the chroot
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| 12:46 | but, there are some things, like global gconf keys that will differ
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| 12:46 | because they are in /etc/gconf
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| 12:46 | and /etc in the chroot is different than /etc on the server
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| 12:46 | <roasted_> so I need to edit /etc/skel in the chroot
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> no
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| 12:47 | you will find when you do that, nothing will change
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| 12:47 | <roasted_> Well, it worked on thin clients. I thought it would work on fat clients too.
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> can you give an example of some customization that is not working on the fat client?
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| 12:48 | <roasted_> So how would I accomplish the same task with fat clients?
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| 12:48 | everything
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| 12:48 | it just doesnt pull *anything* I customized
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> for kicks, give me one
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| 12:48 | :)
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> roasted_: in this example, where did I specify "thin" or "fat"?
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| 12:48 | # touch /etc/skel/hello
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| 12:48 | # adduser test
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| 12:48 | Adding user `test' ...
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| 12:48 | # ls /home/test/
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| 12:48 | examples.desktop hello
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| 12:48 | <roasted_> background image, links to network shares, desktop icons, specific settings for applications (we default libre office to save in MS Office format)
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> wait wait
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| 12:49 | <roasted_> alkisg: I'm lost
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| 12:49 | this fat client thing is hurting my head.
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| 12:49 | thin clients seem so much easier...
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> roasted_: the /etc/skel is applied when you add a user. There's nothing thin, far, or LTSP specific about that.
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| 12:49 | It's just unix
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| 12:50 | Add a user and run `ls /home/username`. Are the skel files there?
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| 12:50 | That's what the example says. Not mentioning thin, fat, or ltsp.
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| 12:58 | <roasted_> sorry, phone rang
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| 12:59 | alkisg: I'm pretty sure /etc/skel have no bearing when you ADD a user.
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| 12:59 | alkisg: I thought it was when a user logs in who doesnt already have a profile
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> roasted_: the example above is from a test I did before pasting
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| 12:59 | So I'm pretty sure it worked, because it was a test
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| 12:59 | <roasted_> alkisg: are you telling me the way I have been doing it should work?
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| 12:59 | or am I not following
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> I'm telling you what Gadi said too. That /etc/skel is applied when you add a user.
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| 13:00 | Not when the user logs in.
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| 13:00 | <roasted_> So how would that work for domain users?
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| 13:00 | domain users don't exist on the LTSP server.
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| 13:00 | So when they log in, clearly then they would get the profile.
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> Ah, now that's some good info
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| 13:00 | So you're using something non-standard that copies /etc/skel on login?
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| 13:01 | What software is that you're using?
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| 13:01 | <roasted_> likewise open
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> Right
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| 13:01 | So why were we talking all the time without that info?
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| 13:01 | <roasted_> I have no idea. my head hurts. :(
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> likewise open works the same way,btw
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| 13:02 | <roasted_> I just had a massive project dumped on my head and it's a little stressful right now.
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| 13:02 | Which is basically, get this LTSP running yesterday.
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> it doesn't manage "profiles" or anything - just authenticates against AD
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| 13:02 | <roasted_> and we don't have the RAM for hte server, so we need to use fat clients, whcih is proving to be a little different.
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> and creates a new homedir if none exists
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| 13:02 | <roasted_> Gadi: right.
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| 13:02 | Right.
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| 13:02 | When it gets its new home dir, it copies from /etc/skel
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> right - but only the very first time the user logs in
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| 13:03 | <roasted_> right
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> not every time
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| 13:03 | it is like pam_mkhomedir
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| 13:03 | <roasted_> so if I need to edit /etc/skel, I need to wipe the profiles so everybody re-generates the new profile.
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> well, if you wipe their home directory, you wipe their files, too
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| 13:03 | but yeah
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| 13:03 | :)
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| 13:03 | <roasted_> Gadi: There's no files here. Everybody works from a file server.
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> ok
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| 13:04 | <roasted_> So I can delete as I wish. :D
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| 13:04 | so let's take it back a notch
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| 13:04 | and relapse the same question
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> Gadi: likewise runs with pam? So, it'll run on the server, when someone tries to login from a fat client?
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| 13:04 | Or it won't run at all, since it's not installed in the chroot?
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> yup
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| 13:04 | <roasted_> likewise open. edubuntu 10.10. ltsp. fat clients. I need to customize the profile. what do I edit?
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> no, it runs from pam on the server
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> OK
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> creates the home dir on the server
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| 13:05 | from /etc/skel on the server
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| 13:05 | <roasted_> so if I edit /etc/skel, it should work
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| 13:05 | whether fat or thin
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> if you edit /etc/skel and the user who logs in has no home dir, yes
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| 13:05 | it will create a new homedir from /etc/skel
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| 13:05 | <roasted_> okay
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| 13:05 | so what the heck did I do wrong
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| 13:05 | well
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| 13:05 | hold htat thought
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| 13:05 | gadi
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| 13:06 | is what you just told me true for LOCAL users AND domain users
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> yes
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| 13:06 | <roasted_> because I am TESTING with local users at th emoment, but I will have this box on the domain tomorrow.
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| 13:06 | Okay.
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| 13:06 | So I screwed up somewhere.
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> local to the server,right?
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| 13:06 | <roasted_> yes
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> good
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| 13:06 | <roasted_> physically at the server - sys - admin - users and groups - add - test1, test2, test3
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| 13:06 | then on fat client, log in as test 1 test 2 test 3 on the 3 clients I have
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> ok, when you log in at a fat client as one of the local users....
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| 13:07 | do you see any of the files you put in /etc/skel in your homedir?
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| 13:07 | <roasted_> logging in now
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| 13:07 | <roasted_> didnt work
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| 13:07 | nothing
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| 13:08 | now wait
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| 13:08 | <roasted_> I created the local users after creating the skel prof
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| 13:08 | I bet thats why...
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> coorect
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| 13:08 | <roasted_> local users copies from /etc/skel RIGHT then
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| 13:08 | domain users copies from /etc/skel upon login
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> correct
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| 13:08 | <roasted_> RIGHT then as in, during user creation
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| 13:08 | gadi
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| 13:08 | alkisg:
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| 13:08 | why are you guys so smart
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| 13:08 | seriously. stop it.
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> roasted_: just as an fyi and not to blow your brain....
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> there is a pam module called pam_mkhomedir that is used in Linux to auto-create homedirs for Linux users when no homedir exists
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| 13:09 | <roasted_> what does pam stand for again?
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> pluggable authentication mechanism
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| 13:10 | it is the authentication system used on Linux systems
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| 13:10 | and it is modular and stackable, which means you can have different auth mechanisms working at the same time
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| 13:11 | when you create a new local user, by default, it will create a homedir for it
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| 13:11 | that's why it pulls from /etc/skel AT THAT TIME
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> as an aside: /etc/skel is a good place for profiles IF YOU INTEND TO BLOW AWAY HOMEDIRS WHEN YOU UPDATE THE PROFILE
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| 13:12 | just keep that in mind
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| 13:13 | it sounds like for your need, it will work well
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| 13:13 | and with that, I am off to race a school bus of my own.... well, of my kids....
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| 13:13 | :)
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| 13:13 | cheers
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| 13:22 | <abeehc> anyone ever get this message? my clients log out immediately if you click the panel... ** (gnome-panel:15107): WARNING **: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused
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| 13:33 | <roasted_> java hates me
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| 13:34 | <abeehc> dbus hates me
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| 13:34 | <roasted_> seems as if I need java 6 for libreoffice
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| 13:34 | but I have java 6 installed
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| 13:37 | <abeehc> I can't recall are you ubuntu or..
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| 13:37 | <roasted_> I am
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| 13:37 | I'm trying something else
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| 13:38 | <abeehc> I do ubuntu-restricted-extras in the chroot
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| 13:38 | <roasted_> I installed via deb package before. They have a PPA for it now
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| 13:38 | <abeehc> maybe overkill but seems to work
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| 13:38 | you gotta check alternatives as far as java goes too maybe
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| 13:38 | <roasted_> Im getting an error though
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| 13:38 | for dependency problems
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| 13:38 | ehh
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| 13:40 | just trying restricted extras now
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| 13:40 | <abeehc> like which
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| 13:40 | word
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| 13:40 | <roasted_> openjdk-6
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| 13:40 | or some crap. I don't know.
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| 13:40 | I need a beer and sleep so badly
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| 13:40 | <abeehc> same; could be libre office works with that
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| 13:40 | <roasted_> and I still have 2 clients to go to tonight
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| 13:40 | <abeehc> but i think you want to make sure the sun one is installed
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| 13:40 | <roasted_> libre office requires 6, but that's what I had.
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| 13:41 | so I got a little confused by it
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| 13:41 | <abeehc> openjdk isn't sun's though
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| 13:41 | iirc
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| 13:41 | <roasted_> It's hard doing this all by terminal too. I got too used to using the software center.
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| 13:41 | RIght.
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| 13:41 | I wondered that too
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| 13:41 | I did select during the edubuntu install to install all of the extras and stuff.
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| 13:41 | Not sure if that's part of it or what.
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| 13:41 | <abeehc> hmm
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| 13:43 | <roasted_> still got the same error
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| 13:43 | I might punch a child. just saying.
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| 13:43 | errors were encountered while processing: ca-certificiates-java, openjdk6-jre-headless, openjd-6-jre, and a bunch of other openjdk-6-stuff
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| 13:45 | can I just remove them all?
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| 13:45 | ah why not...
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| 13:45 | ha. broken packages.
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| 13:49 | java killed ltsp
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| 23:24 | <the_5th_wheel> Morning people. I have installed ltsp onto some new hardware, and I havent used ltsp since ubuntu 8.04. My terminals run a smidge slow even though I have a much more powerfull server than last time (32gb ram, 14ksas drives, 2 x 6core Xeon processors
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| 23:24 | It would seem that the actual boot images have become huge. like 600 mb
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| 23:24 | is this nromal
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| 23:25 | *normal
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