IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 March 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:57 | <hima> hi there
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| 03:57 | i am new to ltsp
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| 03:57 | i am trying to install ltsp for the first time
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| 03:58 | there is many flavours of ltsp
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| 03:58 | what is the prefered one to use
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| 03:58 | or it depend on what hardware i have
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| 03:59 | <elias_a_> hima: Welcome. Stick around for a while. It is really early in some parts of the world... :)
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| 04:00 | <hima> اوك او ويل دو
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| 04:00 | ok thanks elias_a
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| 05:02 | <purushothaman> hi..
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| 05:03 | <purushothaman> hi
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| 05:04 | anyone there???
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| 05:28 | <purushothaman> hello
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| 07:43 | <new__ubuntu> hi there
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| 07:43 | is early morning there
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 07:44 | new__ubuntu: please don't send personal messages, chat here
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| 07:45 | <new__ubuntu> sorry guys
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| 07:45 | it is ok
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> new__ubuntu: if you are hita from yesterday, write this: /nick hita
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> So that you use the same username so that our chat can be continued and not start from the beginning
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> OK, what is your question?
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| 07:47 | <hima> i installed ubuntu mate n virtual machine
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| 07:47 | it has two ethernet cards
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| 07:47 | i did install every thing
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| 07:48 | i use virtual box for virtualization
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| 07:48 | ls
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> You didn't ask any questions yet
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| 07:57 | <new__ubuntu> i did change ip 196.168.67.1 to 192.168.0.1 somwhere
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| 07:58 | when i wam changing from network manager gui to any other ip it keep the old one
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> new__ubuntu: are you hima again?
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| 07:58 | You still haven't asked any questions
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| 07:58 | <new__ubuntu> how to change the local nic ip to be keept till next boot
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| 07:59 | ?
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIP
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| 08:04 | <hima> i already did that before
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| 08:04 | but when i do restart the mchine it came back to the old ip
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> OK, run vnc so that I see what you do:
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| 08:05 | !vnc-dide
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| 08:05 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 08:08 | <hima> give me time
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| 08:33 | <hima> i did vnc ltsp
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| 08:35 | when i restarted the machine dns not working now
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| 08:36 | so not able to connect to vnc
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| 08:41 | now it is ok vnc
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| 08:45 | <hima> alkisg , i did vncto you
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> I'll be back in 10 minutes
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| 08:52 | busy now
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| 08:52 | <hima> ok
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> hima: put the password there and press enter
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| 08:57 | <hima> greate
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| 08:57 | you did it
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> hima: does the client boot now?
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| 08:58 | hima: add a user to test
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| 08:59 | adduser hima
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| 08:59 | hima, don't connect with the same user
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| 08:59 | <hima> it booded before that last few commands you entered
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> Don't user ubuntumate both on the server and one the client
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| 08:59 | Press enter on `adduser hima` and login as hima
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| 09:01 | Also, clients should have 1 GB RAM, 512 is too little to use browsers etc
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| 09:01 | Try it though, have fun with ltsp
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| 09:01 | <hima> is epotes installed by default , or i installed it
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> You installed it
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| 09:01 | By following the ltsp-pnp wiki
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| 09:01 | <hima> let me know
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| 09:02 | what was missed with configurations
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> Read the wiki page :)
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| 09:03 | Sorry I only have enough time to write one wiki page, I can't write it many times for many people...
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| 09:03 | <hima> wiki or help
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 09:03 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> The steps from there make a working ltsp server; you didn't do some of those correctly
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| 09:04 | <hima> you are write
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| 09:04 | i did messed with configuration
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| 09:04 | do you know why?
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 09:05 | <hima> cause after issuing a command dns stoped working
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| 09:05 | and was not able to apt-get install any more
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> See the "dns issues" section on the wiki page
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| 09:05 | <hima> ok
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> Anyway, all is ok now
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| 09:05 | <hima> thanks alo
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> Have fun with ltsp :)
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| 09:05 | <hima> thanks alot
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 09:06 | <hima> on virtual machine
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| 09:06 | i will check how size of ram affect speed
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> Test it on real clients, not on an i5 VM
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| 09:06 | You'll want to upgrade pentium 4's with 256/512 MB RAM to 1 GB RAM
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| 09:07 | Also, use the ltsp servers as "teacher PCs"
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| 09:07 | And put one ltsp server on each classroom
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| 09:07 | The ltsp server can be cheap dual core machines, they don't need to be i5
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| 09:07 | <hima> i never used peptos before
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> I don't know what peptos is
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| 09:08 | <hima> epoptes
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> OK
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| 09:08 | We developed it for greek schools
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| 09:08 | But it was very good and then we internationalized it so now it's used in many countries
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| 09:08 | <hima> is it like italc
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| 09:09 | compared with supportschool on windows
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> Yes, we were using italc before that, but it was crashing too much and it was unmaintained, that's why we developed epoptes
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| 09:09 | <hima> yes i used italc before and was unreliable hand many times
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| 09:10 | can i get full control over student using epoptes
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> Yes, read the documentation
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| 09:10 | !epoptes
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| 09:10 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 09:11 | <hima> any way i will give a try
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| 09:11 | it seems intereesting
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| 09:12 | <hima> is epoptes server and client part?
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> Yes, read the docs
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| 09:13 | <hima> does it support arabic interface
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| 09:13 | or there is a lang file to be tranlsated?
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| 09:23 | <markit> hima: http://www.epoptes.org/translations
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| 09:23 | <hima> good many arabic translations
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| 09:23 | almost80%
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| 09:25 | when will you include the partially arabic translated file in epoptes
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| 09:25 | <ZAJDAN> hi people....
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| 09:26 | alkisg: ltsp provide linux only ?
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| 09:31 | <hima> is there a way to export ltsp configuration to another server
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: LTSP boots linux only. After linux boots, you can run virtual machines or remote desktops to other OSes
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| 09:38 | hima, it's already shipped in /usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/epoptes.mo
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| 09:39 | hima: you just have LANG=en instead of ar
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| 09:40 | I launched it correctly for you
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| 09:40 | <hima> yes i see
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| 09:41 | is ltsp only allowed one of 64-bit -r 32 bit processors
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> No
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| 09:41 | <hima> i think i386 by any way is suitable for thin clients
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 09:42 | <hima> amd64 suites , when ram is greater than 2
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> No, use i386 for all
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| 09:42 | It's easier to maintain
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| 09:42 | <hima> yes
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| 09:43 | what about fat client
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> All i386
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| 09:43 | <hima> is it good to use fat clients also
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| 09:44 | fat clients need local hard ?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> hima, the VM client you used was fat
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| 09:49 | Clients with > 500 MB RAM get to be fat, while < 500 RAM get to be thin
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| 09:49 | If you see blue monitor icon in epoptes, it's fat
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| 09:49 | So no, fat clients don't need local hard disks
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| 09:50 | <hima> it showed fat
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> Yes because it had 512 MB RAM
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| 09:50 | Thin clients have green monitor icons
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| 09:51 | <hima> now i will test a thin one with 256 MB
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| 09:52 | now fat is blue , thin is green
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| 09:54 | ok
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| 09:54 | is there a special common programs that can be use with ltsp?
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> hima: where are you from?
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| 09:54 | <hima> egypt
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 09:55 | <hima> really , this installation is running light
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| 10:00 | <hima> so
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| 10:00 | every user will keep his files in /home folder
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 10:05 | <hima> regarding performance
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| 10:06 | if about 30 clients start at the same time
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| 10:06 | how long does it take to be fully uprunning
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| 10:06 | did you measure before
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:07 | For me it took 12 seconds
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| 10:07 | For you, it depends on your setup
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| 10:07 | <hima> for all 30 clients?
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:08 | <hima> it will be good to show on screen
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| 10:08 | that time it takes to startup
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| 10:08 | beside the date and ip and fat number
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> Nah
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| 10:09 | It could be in an epoptes monitor screen though
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| 10:09 | "check lab health"
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| 10:09 | To show boot time, available ram, bandwidth, all the debug diagnostics
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| 10:10 | <hima> :)
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| 10:10 | you did not leave any notes
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| 10:10 | <alkisg> Notes for what?
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| 10:11 | <hima> i mean requirements
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> I don't understand. Do you mean client specifications, how much RAM etc clients should have?
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| 10:12 | <hima> no i mean
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| 10:13 | what ever the ram size
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| 10:13 | each machine will take different time to boot
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| 10:13 | where i can find lab health?
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> It is not implemented yet
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| 10:14 | I was just telling you that I didn't like the idea to put the boot time in ldm, right next to the time
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| 10:14 | And it would be better to display it in another dialog, that doesn't exist yet
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| 10:14 | <hima> ahaa
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| 10:17 | if client has hard disk
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| 10:17 | will fat or thin client
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> It only depends on ram, not on disk
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| 10:17 | <hima> mount the localhard after being up running
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> If > 500 RAM => fat, else => thin
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| 10:18 | <hima> i mean if have a pc with os installed on hard
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| 10:18 | i want to share it to lab for a while
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| 10:19 | do fat client touch local hard by any mean?
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| 10:19 | i will try my self
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> Fat clients don't touch the local hard drive
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| 10:20 | (unless you give them sudo access)
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| 10:21 | <hima> i wish there is a fat client that did notread the hard disk controller
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| 10:23 | it is great
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| 10:23 | so users cannot access local drive
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| 10:23 | <alkisg> yes
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| 10:24 | <hima> epoptes is only allwing screen broadcast
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| 10:25 | cani teach have full control over clients using epoptes?
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:26 | <hima> it did not show from right click
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| 10:27 | i have to go for a while
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| 10:27 | pray time
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> It is called "assist user"
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| 10:27 | OK
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| 10:46 | <ZAJDAN> in lts.conf options SCREEN_07="xfreerdp" ..there I should put xfreerdp command same as I use from command line?
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:47 | <ZAJDAN> because client boot but ending with black screen and mouse cursor only
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Are you using quotes like " or ' ?
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| 10:48 | <ZAJDAN> yes I use it
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Maybe you don't use escape characters like \
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| 10:48 | What is the SCREEN_07 line?
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| 10:48 | <ZAJDAN> that will be the problem because in the command are a few \
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| 10:51 | sorry there are /
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| 10:51 | so escape will be \/d:domain \/u:user ...and so on?
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> (12:48:27 μμ) alkisg: What is the SCREEN_07 line?
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| 10:53 | Change the username/password, but paste it here
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| 10:55 | <ZAJDAN> SCREEN_07="xfreerdp /d:mydomain /u:user /p:password /v:192.168.1.1"
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> I don't see any quotes or backslashes there
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| 10:57 | No \ or " or '
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| 10:57 | Open a root terminal from epoptes, run getltscfg -a, and see if the command is correct
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| 10:59 | <ZAJDAN> bt the client have to be correctly booted yes?
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| 11:00 | to try getltscfg -a
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| 11:02 | getltsfcfg -a: SCREEN_07="xfreerdp \/d:mydomain \/u:user /p:password \/v:192.168.1.1"
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| 11:03 | same as I though....there was automatically added \
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| 11:05 | so what now?
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> Don't put \
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| 11:05 | It's wrong
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| 11:05 | <ZAJDAN> no in the config I have: SCREEN_07="xfreerdp /d:mydomain /u:user /p:password /v:192.168.1.1"
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> And getltscfg has \ ?
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| 11:06 | <ZAJDAN> yes
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> That doesn't make sense...
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| 11:06 | Maybe you didn't reboot the client from the last try
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| 11:06 | <ZAJDAN> true!
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| 11:06 | gonna boot newly
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| 11:07 | before boot what I sould put into config? SCREEN_07="xfreerdp /d:mydomain /u:user /p:password /v:192.168.1.1"
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| 11:07 | or SCREEN_07=xfreerdp d:mydomain u:user p:password v:192.168.1.1
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> The first one
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| 11:09 | <ZAJDAN> ok
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| 11:11 | thin client newly booted --> black screen + mouse cursor
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| 11:12 | <alkisg> Put SCREEN_07=xterm
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| 11:12 | Reboot client
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| 11:13 | When it boots, run the xfreerdp command manually from that xterm
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| 11:13 | <ZAJDAN> ok
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| 11:14 | <vlt> ZAJDAN: And you should check that xfreerdp in your client really uses the /d:... notation and not -u -p ...
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| 11:15 | <ZAJDAN> I use what is in man xfreerdp
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| 11:15 | I do not know that tere is posible pass the switch in another way
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| 11:17 | same command works from the xterm after boot
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| 11:18 | but I was in xterm asked about certificate! probably it could be the problem ...yes?
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> If you had to type something, then yes
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| 11:18 | <ZAJDAN> so I added the certificate
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| 11:19 | should I try to reboot with SCREEN_07="xfreerdp switch ...." as before? now when the cert is added
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> Where did you add it?
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| 11:19 | To the client that will lose it after reboot?
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| 11:20 | <ZAJDAN> right now I was disconected from RDP and in xterm is warning, that the cert could not be verified...and so on
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| 11:21 | probably the problem what you say
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| 11:21 | the destination where should be stored cert
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| 11:21 | ?
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> I don't know where xfreerdp stores its certificates, ask in #xfreerdp
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| 11:22 | <ZAJDAN> soulution coul be --ignore-cert
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| 11:26 | <markit> in 14.04 I've "RDP_OPTIONS="--ignore-certificate -u myuser -p mypassword -d mydomain -f""
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| 11:27 | if you have 16.04 you should have the new xfreerdp syntax
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| 11:28 | <ZAJDAN> FreeRDP version 1.1.0-beta1 (git n/a)
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| 11:29 | this version is compiled because of Remmina valentine edition
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| 11:29 | on debian 9
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| 11:29 | <markit> "Remmina valentine edition" ?
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| 11:31 | <ZAJDAN> yes
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| 11:32 | https://www.remmina.org/wp/remmina-valentine-edition/
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> Oooh we should make an ltsp valentine edition too :P
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| 11:33 | <ZAJDAN> better will be summer-holiday edition :_)
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| 11:34 | <markit> ZAJDAN: is it bugged or affected by some unexpected issue so you are avoiding it?
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| 11:34 | * markit scratches his head | |
| 11:34 | <ZAJDAN> markit: what do you mean...why I installed remmina valentine edition?
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| 11:35 | <markit> FreeRDP version 1.1.0-beta1 (git n/a) is not valentine edition that is 1.2, or am I wrong?
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| 11:35 | <ZAJDAN> you are right!
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| 11:35 | valentine edition I have on other machine
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| 11:36 | <markit> ok
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| 11:53 | <ZAJDAN> now I installed the valentine edition on debian 8 via snap, but the freerdp still old version
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| 12:35 | Debian 9 is probably not good choice..better wait
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| 12:48 | <ZAJDAN> alkisg: when I reboot thin client from epoptes...the client doesnt reboot sucessfully ..is it ok?
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| 12:49 | SQUASHFS error: Unable to read page, block 1554....
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| 12:57 | <ZAJDAN> and still I have problem on thin client run xfreerdp from lts.conf
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| 12:58 | on ltsp server: man xfreerdp show syntax with /u /d ..etc...so such syntax's I use in lts.conf
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| 13:01 | done...I use xfreerdp -u -p ...syntax in lts.conf and works
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| 13:02 | strange.....man xfreerdp shows another syntax but also accept second one style
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| 13:03 | so now we know that in lts.conf have to be used syntax via: -u user not /u:user
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| 13:05 | the reason why use remmina and not xfreerdp from lts.conf I see now....when client start xfreerdp from lts.con ..from server I cannot take control of this machine
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| 13:06 | when I boot client completely into GUI(OS) and from there start remmina I am able take controll of the RDP
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| 13:07 | what brings me also next benefit - send message to screen
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> And if you run xfreerdp from inside the session it would be the same
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| 13:10 | You don't have to use remmina from the session, you can use xfreerdp from there too
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| 13:10 | About the reboots, maybe it's a problem with debian, I don't know I'm mostly using ubuntu
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| 13:10 | <ZAJDAN> true! about the freerdp
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| 13:11 | I will try install debian8 32bit
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| 13:11 | we can try it from there
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| 13:11 | the reboot
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> OK, but I won't help you 2nd time to reinstall ltsp, you'll have to do it yourself now
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| 13:11 | Also, it's older and has other issues
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| 13:13 | <ZAJDAN> do you know how to install on debian9 latest xfreerdp?
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| 13:13 | because the version which have debian 9 from native repositories has many bugs
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> sudo apt get install xfreerdp
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| 13:13 | No, I'm not using any custom versions
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| 13:13 | <ZAJDAN> this is old version
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> Only those that are in the repositories
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| 13:14 | All rdp software has bugs...
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| 13:14 | <ZAJDAN> the version from remmina works perfectly
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| 13:14 | tested on another machine
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> Anyway, I can't help you with non-ltsp issues
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| 13:15 | Try asking in #debian or in #xfreerdp
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| 13:15 | <ZAJDAN> this is the reason why I want to go on Debian 8..there is easy compile freerdp from remmina
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> Whatever works for you :)
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| 13:16 | <ZAJDAN> on debian9 its cry about milion dependencies or deprecated packages
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| 13:16 | ltsp on debian 9 I have as VM - noproblem
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| 13:17 | I will try to create nw VM with deb8
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| 14:03 | <ZAJDAN> on thin cleint I tested xfree rdp syntax from command line....all works
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| 14:04 | then I add this command into Startup Applications in GUI(mate)...boot client and black screen
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| 14:09 | maybe problem, that is not free session on the server(all licence are used)
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| 14:12 | yes it was the problem
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| 14:12 | I closed all RDP sessions on server and boot again - works
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| 14:39 | alkisg: please which version of freerdp you have on your ubuntu?
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> packages.ubuntu.com/freerdp-x11
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| 14:46 | packages.debian.org/freerdp-x11
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| 14:46 | <ZAJDAN> do you use it? the xfreerdp
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> No, I'm not using any remote tech because they all suck
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| 14:47 | !thin-clients-bandwidth
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| 14:47 | <ltsp> thin-clients-bandwidth: A small explanation why thin clients can't perform well with video, lots of screen updates etc: https://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/35694699/
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> (except for small tasks like remote assistance
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| 14:48 | <ZAJDAN> in my case I am depend on win server, so I have to use RDP
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| 14:48 | <alkisg> I use windows VMs if I have to, but never server
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| 14:48 | It's not appropriate for desktop tasks
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| 14:48 | Read why in the link above ^
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| 14:49 | <ZAJDAN> now I am testing xfreerdp on thin ltsp client....is really nimble
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> Whatever works for you. Me, I prefer fat clients + windows VM, which can do video playback and browsing etc without 4 Gbps per client
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| 14:51 | <ZAJDAN> problem is that freerdp sudentlly disconnect the session (version 1.1.0 on Debian 9)
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> OK. I'm really not interested in xfreerdp though
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| 14:52 | <ZAJDAN> compiled version freerdp(2.0)/remmina on Debian8 works perfectly without disconnect
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> So I won't chat more about this, if you don't mind...
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| 14:53 | <ZAJDAN> ok ok ok I am sorry
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| 14:53 | may I ask You about the fat + windows VM ?
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> Nah, I don't really want to talk about windows... boring stuff
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| 14:56 | You can surely ask in the channel, maybe someone else can help
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| 14:56 | <ZAJDAN> firtly I will try read the article
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| 14:58 | please could you send me the link about installation ltsp-pnp _?
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| 14:58 | it was on ubuntu help web yes?
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| 14:59 | <markit> ZAJDAN: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 14:59 | <ZAJDAN> thnx
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| 15:08 | is it big problem? modprobe: FATAL: Module overlayfs not found ...first warning when I start ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
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| 15:09 | but the image is creating - in progress
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| 16:20 | <ZAJDAN> solved....the problem was because I forgot dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-xxxx
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| 16:35 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> Hey Scotty, hi Vagrant
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> heyas!
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> vagrantc: how easy is it to backport ltsp to jessie? I think ZAJDAN is trying it there, and hit an issue with cleanup.d + overlayfs...
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> the backports should all be up to date with stretch, i thought
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| 16:38 | or do you mean backporting trunk?
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> jessie-backports
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| 16:38 | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ltsp-client-core
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| 16:38 | 0.5.8 vs 9
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> oh, shouldn't be too hard
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| 16:39 | * vagrantc thought that was current | |
| 16:39 | <alkisg> Eh, 5.5.8 vs 9, sorry
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> i wonder if it got stuck in review by the backports team, or if i really just forgot...
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> seems i didn't take the time to backport it
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| 16:41 | should just be a simple rebuild for ltsp, if i remember correctly
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| 16:42 | the support for ltsp-build-client is kind of annoying, but chrootless ltsp-pnp style images are easy, of course
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| 16:42 | <ZAJDAN> so I installed and have set all what is need, trying boot client, but PXE-E53: No boot filename recieved
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> i've also been meaning to integrate all that work sbalneav did a couple months ago in debian experimental sometime soon
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| 16:44 | <ZAJDAN> Debian 8(Jessie 32bit)
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> i can try and get the backports uploaded sometime this week
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| 16:45 | <ZAJDAN> will anybody willow help me to look what is wrong on the debian8 ltsp-pnp?
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| 16:46 | <sbalneav> ZAJDAN: Did you do an ltsp-update-kernels?
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| 16:47 | <ZAJDAN> yes, but for sure I can do again
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> ZAJDAN: did you configure dnsmasq or dhcp-server?
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| 16:49 | <ZAJDAN> only dnsmasq
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> because that error message is saying DHCP didn't tell it what file to download
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> ltsp-config dnsmasq --overwrite
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| 16:53 | <ZAJDAN> I gonna compare dnsmasq on debian 9 - where all works with the debian 8 conf
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> the dnsmasq configs shouldn't have changed much
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| 16:53 | if at all
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| 16:53 | <ZAJDAN> because DHCP do my Mikrotik
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| 16:54 | <ZAJDAN> dnsmasq pass just the additional info, as is the boot file path and so on
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> sure, proxy-dhcp is a pretty nice way to go
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| 16:57 | as alkisg said, "ltsp-config dnsmasq --overwrite" should configure it correctly, unless you'd manually configured dnsmasq in a way that was incompatible
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| 16:57 | as it only overwrites the files it knows about
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| 16:58 | <ZAJDAN> ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf ...seems that is correctly set
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| 16:58 | I also restarted dnsmasq service
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| 16:59 | but boot problem with client still
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| 17:18 | this is what I cannot understand...many things is made for ubuntu...there it works...on debian not and ubuntu is based on debian
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| 17:18 | crazy
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| 17:19 | usually as server is used Debian, so I though that ltsp will be mainly for debian
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| 17:21 | should I somewhere on ltsp server say, where is DHCP server?
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> since you're using proxy-dhcp, the dhcp server is your router, but dnsmasq responds by relaying the dhcp info plus additional info
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| 17:23 | have you restarted dnsmasq since configuring it?
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| 17:23 | * alkisg notes that he already helped ZAJDAN set up ltsp-pnp with debian stretch in another VM of his, so some parts should already be fine.... | |
| 17:23 | <vagrantc> i've tested ltsp-pnp on jessie plenty...
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| 17:24 | so there's presumably just some small part misconfigured
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> vagrantc: just for fun, I'm writing an lts.conf parser in shell. Do we require that all [ipv4] sections have three dots and numbers or *, and all [mac] sections have 5 : and hex digits or *?
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| 17:25 | <ZAJDAN> I also think, it will be something small, but I am novice in this area
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> And anything that don't fits those requirements, are supposed to be hostnames?
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| 17:25 | Or is [192.168.*] also valid?
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| 17:26 | * alkisg doesn't think we support ipv6 there, do we? | |
| 17:27 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i don't recall the rules on what's implemented in getltscfg ... i do recall it being very permissive
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| 17:28 | alkisg: oh yeah, i've even used [10.*]
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> And it matched the IP there?
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> eh, I wonder if it should also match the hostname 10.local :P
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: on multiple different 10.x.y.z or 10.y.x.z ...
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> Yeah I think 10.*.*.* would be more san
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> i would presume it would
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> e
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> in the current implementation
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| 17:29 | on any of the possible values (ip, mac, hostname) i think you can put a wildcard and have it match
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| 17:29 | been a long time since i looked at it or used it in production
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| 17:30 | alkisg: though i thought you were trying to kill of lts.conf :P
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 17:30 | It just seems that ltsp6 is far away...
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> anyways, i;ve got to head out...
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| 17:30 | good luck ZAJDAN
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> bb!
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| 17:34 | <ZAJDAN> hey boys! ltsp-config dnsmasq --overwrite ...then /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart -SOLVED the problem
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> ltsp-config dnsmasq restarts dnsmasq
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| 17:35 | <ZAJDAN> client started boot from correct IP, but appears another problem: NFS over TCP not available from 192.168....
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> Yeah jessie defaults to nfs while you want nbd for ltsp-pnp...
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| 17:36 | Google for debian ltsp-pnp how-to, there's a tutorial somewhere
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| 17:36 | stretch changed that and is the same with ubuntu now
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| 17:36 | <ZAJDAN> ughrrrrrr
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> (I maintain ubuntu/ltsp and vagrantc maintains debian/ltsp)
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| 17:39 | <ZAJDAN> t is in /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf BOOT_METHOD="NFS NBD AOE"
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| 17:39 | so I will let there just the NBD
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| 17:40 | what service should be restarted after this change? nbd-server ?
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| 17:42 | or I have to again update kernels
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| 17:42 | ?
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| 17:59 | <ZAJDAN> SOLVED: 1) in /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf changed BOOT_METHOD to NBD ...2) ltsp-update-kernels 3) ltsp-update-image
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| 17:59 | clients station is up
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| 18:00 | so finally I have LTSP on DebianJessie(freeRDP 2.0)
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| 18:02 | thanks you let me rinsed my snout in it..it gave me a lot! :_)
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| 18:08 | info for vagrant: on Debian 9 - not possible reboot/shutdown Thin client ...on Debian Jessie is not problem
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| 18:21 | Now I see new problem - Send message to Thin client
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| 18:24 | I just close and start newly epoptes - all ok
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| 18:25 | is some shortcut to send message to client?
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> There is a button in the toolbar for this
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| 19:22 | <hima__> hi all
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> Hello hima__
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| 19:23 | <hima__> i could install ltsp on another virtual machine
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| 19:23 | using ubuntu mate
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| 19:24 | and the directives in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> Sure, or you could clone the VM
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| 19:24 | <hima__> i did not clone
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| 19:24 | this time every thing goes stightforward
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| 19:25 | this was the last command ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
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| 19:26 | i did not need to edit lts.conf file
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| 19:26 | may be i will play around its contents
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| 19:28 | next step for me , to reconfigure ltsp.conf file
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| 19:28 | what different options inside
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 19:29 | <ltsp> lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> Read the man page for all the instructions
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| 19:29 | <hima__> ok
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| 19:31 | is there any GUI to handle the contents of the file
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> No, there isn't.
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| 19:44 | <hima> is the ubuntu mate i386
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| 19:45 | a 32 bit or 64
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| 19:45 | virtual box machine only see it as 64 bit
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| 19:46 | or the clients be 32bit
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| 19:52 | if changed the configuration of network interface , the dns stop
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| 19:52 | what should i do
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| 19:53 | ?
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> sudo ltsp-config dnsmasq --overwrite
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| 19:53 | <hima> i did
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| 19:53 | but still not working
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> If you have all 64bit clients, get 64bit mate
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| 19:53 | If you have at least one 32bit, get 32bit mate for the server
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| 19:54 | You have 32bit clients so get 32bit
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| 19:54 | <hima> the rule 32 bit works for bothe i386 and amd64
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 19:55 | <hima> after ips being changed
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| 19:55 | the dns stop working
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| 19:55 | i can ping 8.8.8.8
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| 19:55 | but not ping google.com
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> You didn't follow the ltsp-pnp steps correctly, the part about "dns issues"
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| 19:57 | <hima> before chanign the ip
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| 19:58 | it worked good
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| 19:58 | and clients can boot
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| 20:03 | <hima> yes , i followed and it works now
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| 20:04 | it takes more than a minute to boot
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> It depends on the client and on the network speed
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| 20:11 | ...and a little bit on the server, but only a little
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| 20:17 | <elias_a_> hima: Do you have gigabit switches?
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| 20:17 | 100 mbps is a bit low for ltsp IMHO.
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| 20:17 | alkisg: Don't you ever sleep? :)
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| 20:18 | <syrius> elias_a_: think it depends on how many clients you have
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| 20:18 | <hima> nop
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| 20:19 | <hima> but for such application it is better to use gigabit
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| 20:20 | <elias_a_> syrius: You can measure the difference clearly even with 1 client.
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| 20:20 | <syrius> for both thin and fat clients?
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| 20:21 | <elias_a_> syrius: AFAIK yes because the speed difference between 100 and 1000 is tenfold.
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| 20:21 | Local LAN will be the bottleneck in any case.
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| 20:22 | <syrius> yea
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| 20:24 | <hima> i think fast throuput gigabit switches
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| 20:24 | is the best choise
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| 20:24 | <elias_a_> hima: Where do you live?
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| 20:25 | <hima> you asked before
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| 20:25 | egypt
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| 20:25 | <elias_a_> hima: Did I ask - really?
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| 20:25 | hima: Just wanted to know.
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| 20:26 | <hima> not you but alkisg , and i got condused aout nicks
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| 20:26 | <elias_a_> hima: alkisg lives in Greece, I live in Finland. :P
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| 20:27 | * gehidore lives in washington state | |
| 20:27 | <hima> yes greec , egypt,finland
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| 20:27 | <gehidore> elias_a_ know any oaksanens?
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| 20:27 | <syrius> gehidore: I grew up in WA
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| 20:28 | <gehidore> syrius me too :P
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| 20:28 | <syrius> well i live in AZ now :P
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| 20:28 | <elias_a_> gehidore: I think you mean Oksanen - it is a family name.
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| 20:29 | <gehidore> elias_a_ yeah I got autocorrected
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| 20:29 | syrius know of the riffe lake?
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| 20:30 | <elias_a_> gehidore: It is a common name. Should I know some specific person?
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| 20:30 | <syrius> nope, you're pretty south
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| 20:30 | i grew up in maple valley. lived kent/renton/auburn area
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| 20:30 | <gehidore> elias_a_ not necessarily, I've just known Jarko and Janne for ~ 20 years now and while Janne moved to Czeck Jarko is still in Finland
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| 20:31 | ah, my brother lives up in kent still
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| 20:31 | <elias_a_> gehidore: Ok.
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| 20:31 | <hima> what was the biggest number of fat and thin clients you tried guys
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| 20:31 | <syrius> gehidore: i'm sorry
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| 20:31 | wife's parents still live there. i hate kent
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| 20:31 | <gehidore> +1
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| 20:32 | I've enjoyed my ruralish existance
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| 20:32 | hima I did 13 once
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| 20:32 | fat clients
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| 20:32 | <gehidore> then the board of directors said we had to use windows 7 and I cried for days
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| 20:34 | <syrius> heh
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| 20:34 | <hima> you can do the same for windows 7?
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| 20:34 | or it is not stightforward
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| 20:35 | <gehidore> hima no, I'm saying my company board of directors said my *free* solution wasn't acceptable - because unicorns and mars dust for all I know - and made me build our network out of win7 boxes and a win 2012 server with Active directory
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| 20:36 | <hima> some people think that free soultions is not good
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| 20:36 | i used to use pfsense for 10 years
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> hima: I think I tried up to 30 clients from the same server. I'm pretty sure you could boot 100+ if you had 2-3 NICs with bonding.
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| 20:49 | :D
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| 20:50 | *100+ fat clients only
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