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Channel log from 29 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:16 | <dberkholz> coolness
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| 00:16 | http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/ltsp-1.png
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| 00:47 | <cyberorg> dberkholz, congratulations!! welcome to the club :)
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| 01:05 | <Ryan52> dberkholz: nice!
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| 07:49 | <minemonics> when i boot ltsp workstation this stop at:
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| 07:50 | rc-sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode
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| 07:51 | please somebody could help me?
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| 08:04 | <minemonics> ???
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| 08:14 | <laga> minemonics: it'd help if you mentioned your distro
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| 08:14 | also, patience is a virtue ;)
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| 08:17 | <minemonics> laga, i used Debian
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| 08:17 | laga, with LTSP 4.2
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| 08:18 | <laga> ah, 4.2. i guess not many people here are still using 4.2, so good luck ;)
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| 08:18 | is that a new install?
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| 08:18 | <minemonics> laga, nop
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| 08:19 | <laga> well, what changed? it must have been working at some point
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| 08:20 | <minemonics> laga, is in use for a long time, with a lot of stations, but now 30 statios stop at this problem
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| 08:20 | laga, the problem is i not administrator of this lan
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| 08:20 | <laga> then let the admin fix it?
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| 08:21 | <minemonics> laga, the gay go out
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| 08:21 | <laga> what?
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| 08:21 | <minemonics> laga, admin is not more here
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| 08:23 | <Blinny> heh
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| 08:24 | Perhaps the server isn't running gdm?
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| 08:24 | Or not in the X runlevel
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| 08:25 | <minemonics> Blinny, the server is at runlevel 2 and config use SCREEN_01=rdesktop
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:00 | <Blinny> MorniGN!
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> Morning Gadi
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:13 | didn't even see you lurking there
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> i'm dragging ass this morning
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| 09:13 | <ogra> jammcq, hey you guys didnt see me standing behind you in line at the security check today :/
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> In at the office already>
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> today?
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| 09:14 | you were behind us?
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| 09:14 | sbalneav: yeah
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| 09:14 | ogra: what's behind us is of no concern :)
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| 09:14 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> ogra: you back home already?
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| 09:14 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> wow, those planes are fast
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| 09:14 | <ogra> since some hours
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> Catch some sleep?
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> no problems with the lufthansa strike ?
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| 09:15 | <ogra> but kept away from the computer to care for susie
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| 09:15 | the food was rather cheap ... only the catering went on strike the first day
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> sbalneav: so, you made your flight on time?
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| 09:16 | <ogra> today the ground crews are on ... i was lucky .... might not have gotten my luggage if i had flown today
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> jammcq: no problem.
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| 09:19 | <jammcq> yeah, everything was like clockwork
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| 09:23 | <ogra> sbalneav, no sleep yet and a ton of stuff piled up ... (i wish my brain would function in any kind of way beyond keeping me breathing)
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 09:27 | <jammcq> ogra: be happy it's at least doing that
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| 09:28 | <ogra> yeah, would be hard to type if it wouldnt i guess :)
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| 09:28 | <jammcq> well, you could do it for a few seconds. but then we wouldn't be able to undeerstand you. it would be sort of like cliebow's typing
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| 09:29 | <cliebow> heh..i deb to biffer
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| 09:29 | <jammcq> see?
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| 09:29 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:41 | <stgraber> ogra: hehe, I hope the lufthansa strike won't continue for too long :) My flight is wednesday next week and I have to take Lufthansa/Swiss for Geneva => Frankfurt ...
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| 09:42 | <ogra> well, it rotates through the different departments
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| 09:45 | <minemonics> jammcq, hi
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| 09:46 | jammcq, im in trouble with when boot ltsp workstation this stop at:
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| 09:46 | jammcq, rc-sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> minemonics: Which version of LTSP on what kind of server? (Debian, Redhat, Ubuntu, etc)
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| 09:58 | <minemonics> LTSP 4.2 on Debian
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> 4.2's pretty old. But I'd suspect a problem with nfs. Have you checked to make sure that /opt/ltsp's exported?
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| 09:59 | <minemonics> sbalneav, exportfs show me that is exported
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| 10:00 | sbalneav, and i have other stations working good
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> ok, so this is just one station then that's causing the problem?
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> minemonics: This is only one worktation that's having a problem?
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| 10:03 | <minemonics> sbalneav, 30
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> ok, I'm confused.
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| 10:03 | So, on this server, there are working terminals, or not?
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| 10:04 | How many are working, how many are not?
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| 10:04 | <minemonics> sbalneav, are more than 800 terminals working good
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| 10:05 | sbalneav, and 30 stop in the same poit of boot
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| 10:05 | sbalneav, rc-sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> are these 30 terminals all on one server?
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| 10:07 | and are there other terminals that are working on that server?
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| 10:07 | <minemonics> all terminals are in the same ltsp server
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> are there working terminals on that server?
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| 10:08 | <minemonics> 800 machines working good
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| 10:08 | with SCREEN_01=rdesktop
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> That's not what I'm asking.
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| 10:09 | <minemonics> sbalneav, sorry
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> I'm asking you, if the machine that has the 30 bad terminals connected to it has some that DO work.
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| 10:10 | i.e are ALL the terminals that are connected to that machine not working, or are only SOME not working.
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| 10:10 | <minemonics> some not working
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| 10:10 | just this 30 terminals
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> So, how many terminals are connected to that machine, in total?
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| 10:11 | <minemonics> 800
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> You have 800 terminals being served by 1 machine?
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| 10:13 | <cliebow> holy!!!
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> minemonics: Do you have 800 terminals being served by one machine?
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| 10:13 | <minemonics> sbalneav, yes
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| 10:14 | minemonics, i not config them
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> I'd say you're probably running into resource problems.
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| 10:14 | <cliebow> Halloooo Scottie..btw!!
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> hey cliebow
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| 10:14 | <cliebow> nice to see ya
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> Nice to see you too.
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| 10:14 | <laga> minemonics: what kind of machine is that server? CPU/RAM?
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> need coffee
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> must get coffeeeee
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> it hurts so good
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| 10:18 | <cliebow> latte
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| 10:18 | you right in the city?
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| 10:20 | <minemonics> sbalneav, the machine is a P4 Ht with 512 of RAM
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> and you're running 800 terminals off of that?
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| 10:21 | <laga> sbalneav: using rdesktop..
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| 10:21 | minemonics: what do the clients display? windows desktops?
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| 10:22 | <minemonics> laga, the clients using rdesktop
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> laga: so? That's still 800 rdesktop invocations running? Way, WAY too many for 512 megs of ram.
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| 10:22 | <minemonics> sbalneav, i suspect this, but the old sysadmin are crazy or something
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| 10:23 | <laga> sbalneav: oh, i didn't know rdesktop was running on the server.
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| 10:23 | <minemonics> sbalneav, the users tell me the all stations are working good tree days ago
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> minemonics: Well, I'd check the networking first
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| 10:27 | are all of these on the same hub/switch?
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| 10:27 | Maybe it needs to be reset.
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| 10:45 | <minemonics> sbalneav, tks
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| 10:46 | sbalneav, i try start another ltsp server for test now
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| 11:07 | <Rixeh> hmm, ok question all.. does xf86config_file still work for ltsp5? and which dir do you put the custom xorg file in? I cant get my client to use it instead of the auto-generated xorg.conf (using ubuntu 8.04)
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> Rixeh: it works, but the parameter is deprecated in favor of X_CONF
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| 11:10 | so: X_CONF = /etc/X11/myXorg.conf
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| 11:10 | would have you place the file in: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/myXorg.conf
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| 11:11 | <Rixeh> awesome, Ill give that a shot. :) Been fighting to get this elo touchscreen going for a few days now
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> we have touchscreen support, too, you know
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| 11:11 | (serial only)
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| 11:11 | is it serial?
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| 11:12 | <Rixeh> nod Ive got it hooked up to a terminal from disklessworkstations.. its an elo 1715L serial, put the use_touch=y as well as set the device (/dev/ttyS0)
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| 11:12 | I can 'cat' the serial device and it gives lots of data, so it works.. but the cursor doesn't move around
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> try: USE_TOUCH = Y
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| 11:12 | did you use caps?
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| 11:12 | <Rixeh> USE_TOUCH=Y
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| 11:12 | X_TOUCH_DEVICE=/dev/ttyS0
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| 11:12 | Is what ive got in my lts.conf right now
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> set the XMIN, XMAX< YMIN< YMAX
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| 11:13 | X_TOUCH_XMIN ....
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| 11:13 | <Rixeh> oh yes that's in as well, i just didnt paste it here :)
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 11:13 | <Rixeh> it's weird, it should just be working yknow?
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> and cursor doesnt move at all?
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| 11:14 | <Rixeh> not at all.. i changed around the xorg a bit (stuff like sendcoreevents) and then it starts to work after reloading X, but then the Y-axis is inverted.. ><
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> does it generate the right entries in xorg.conf on the client?
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| 11:15 | ah - maybe the code should be changed in configure-x.sh to reflect your changes
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| 11:15 | <Rixeh> yup! It puts in the section for the touchscreen, so it's reading the lts.conf OK
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> the inverted Y axis, you can fix by reversing Ymax and Ymin
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| 11:16 | <Rixeh> Ahaa, so far so good, let me just alter the axiseeses...
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> sounds like maybe the sendcoreevents is the only issue
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| 11:18 | <Rixeh> Also I dont think this is an ltsp thing, but the latest ubuntu's not reading the lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot.. i have to actually change the file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc and then rebuild the image
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| 11:18 | LIke back in 4.1 I assume :)
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> you put it in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf?
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| 11:19 | <Rixeh> yup, it did work at one point, then one day all the config settings disappeared after an update, so I copied the lts.conf into /opt/ltsp/etc..... and rebuilt, now it takes
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> you shouldnt have to do that
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| 11:20 | <Rixeh> Id have to dig but I think i saw a bug report on the ubuntu forums already for it, not sure if they looked at it yet
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| 11:20 | in the meantime im just rebuilding =\
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| 11:55 | <gbolte> w00t
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| 11:57 | <dberkholz> Gadi, johnny2, ogra, sbalneav, warren: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/ltsp-1.png
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| 11:58 | <warren> dberkholz: cool
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> Nice
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| 11:59 | <warren> Gadi: any new stuff in your nox branch?
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| 11:59 | <dberkholz> our kernel/initramfs generator is tricky. the unreleased version 4, which i was using before, treated kernel parameters differently.
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| 12:05 | <johnny123> dberkholz: what parameters did you end up?
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| 12:06 | i did you have to fix anything?
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| 12:06 | <dberkholz> i attempted to post my setup to the ltsp-dev list but my post hasn't shown up in the past 10 hours
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| 12:06 | go sourceforge
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| 12:06 | <johnny123> both in the initramfs or my stuff? or did my stuff just work?
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| 12:06 | <dberkholz> 05:11 < dberkholz+> agaffney: got it. if genkernel detects ip= boot param, it doesn't fire off udhcp and assumes the kernel did dhcp even if it actually didn't
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| 12:07 | <cyberorg> dberkholz, i think i saw it
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| 12:07 | <dberkholz> it's not in my mailbox and not in the archive
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| 12:09 | johnny123: the real kicker here is that genkernel4 does it differently, so i didn't suspect that this could be the problem
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| 12:10 | <johnny123> so, once you resolved that, anything else needed changed?
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| 12:10 | <cyberorg> dberkholz, its in ltsp-discuss
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| 12:10 | <dberkholz> oh christ.
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| 12:10 | ogra: stop crossposting, you made me mess up =P
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| 12:12 | <dberkholz> thanks for digging that up, cyberorg
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| 12:12 | <cyberorg> dberkholz, i guess -discuss has more audience and include everyone on -developer list anyway
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| 12:12 | <dberkholz> i attempted to bounce it over
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| 12:12 | * johnny123 == happy | |
| 12:13 | <dberkholz> awesome, now it's on ltsp-dev and it replies to ltsp-discuss. go mutt.
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| 12:19 | <Rixeh> Woot! OK thanks to gadi I've almost got this touchscreen working :) Only thing is the y axis won't invert, if i swap minY and maxY it just makes the cursor more sensitive O.o Could this be a driver problem with elographics?
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> warren: sorry - was getting sustenance - I think I have some minor edits to my -nox branch that you can test
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| 12:29 | Rixeh: iirc, some elographics screens can be inverted by going into the screen's firmware
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| 12:29 | there is like some bootup utility or some such
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| 12:29 | (it's been a while)
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| 12:29 | <cliebow> too long
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| 12:29 | <Gadi> btw: are you sure it is y-axis inversion?
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| 12:29 | (I have seen x-axis inversion more often)
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| 12:30 | iirc - I had a 1747L
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| 12:30 | <johnny123> so Gadi made it home
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| 12:31 | poor ogra is gonna have a rough time
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> indeed - but there is a midget inside my head playing with knick-knack on my temples
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| 12:31 | <johnny123> ouch
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> s/playing with/playing
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| 12:34 | <johnny123> i'm still in lovely portlant
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| 12:34 | portland*
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| 12:35 | until tomorrow
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> warren - I just pushed my minor -nox branch changes
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| 12:39 | I need to set up a proper test env, so I am not coding as blindly
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| 12:39 | :)
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| 12:43 | <Rixeh> gadi you're a genius ;)
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> eh?
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| 12:43 | <Rixeh> just reading up on changing the monitor firmware but i think this'll work
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> I mean - I'm too tired to argue the point...
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| 12:43 | :)
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| 12:43 | <Rixeh> haha
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> which this is this?
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| 12:46 | <Rixeh> oh the axis inverting, im still reading but it appears that you can connect to the firmware through the serial port and then alter it, we'll see :)
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> so, here's my clouded-mind question of the day:
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| 12:54 | <cliebow> we wait with baited breath
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> If firefox purportedly has issues running on a filesystem that lacks statfs calls - why does it work on a liveCD?
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| 12:55 | if you have an answer, you get a gold star - and need to tell me when I wake up
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| 12:55 | :)
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| 12:55 | <cliebow> hmmmm'
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| 12:55 | <Blinny> The key word in this riddle is 'purportedly'
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| 13:25 | <Ryan52> Gadi: why would a live cd not have statfs?
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| 13:51 | <The_Code> easy-ltsp gsoc project is ready for all to test it
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| 13:51 | you can get source package for opensuse at : http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp-0.4-opensuse.tar.gz
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| 13:52 | other distros source package is here: http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp-0.4-other.tar.gz
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| 13:52 | please give it a try and report bugs or enhancements to: http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'm guessing you made it across the puddle?
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> morning - again
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| 14:37 | Ryan52: man liveCDs will use a tmpfs
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| 14:37 | * Gadi waves to vagrantc | |
| 14:39 | <Gadi> *many
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| 14:39 | grr\
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| 14:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey, guys. I'm trying to boot an etherboot client with Fedora 9. It's giving me the following error: /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp ...error: not a valid image. unable to load file <sleep>
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| 14:45 | Am I missing something for etherboot? PXE seems to be working fine
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: What arch is your server/client?
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| 14:48 | You probably want to make sure you didn't build a ia64 client what what you want is ia32
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| 14:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> client is a TK-3370/1G
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| 14:48 | Fedora 9, i386
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| 14:48 | it's Etherboot 5.0.10
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> Not sure. I haven't used etherboot for a long long time. I just use PXE now.
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| 14:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, I'll keep looking
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| 14:53 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: Fedora 9 LTSP doesn't automaticaly generate the non-PXE kernel images yet
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| 14:53 | _UsUrPeR_: You're the first to complain about this actually
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| 14:54 | _UsUrPeR_: yum install mkelfimage and try wrapping it yourself in /var/lib/tftpboot/i386
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| 14:54 | _UsUrPeR_: we fixed mkelfimage for this but not using it yet
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| 14:54 | Gadi: does the 901 have passive cooling or a fan?
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| 14:54 | <johnny123> warren is alive!
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| 14:55 | <warren> Gadi: 6 cell battery is the larger one?
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| 14:59 | <sbalneav> warren: What laptop did you have?
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> _UsUrPeR_: most recent versions of etherboot support PXE emulation and should work with PXE ... maybe try upgrading your etherboot.
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| 14:59 | <sbalneav> It was a thinkpad, yes?
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| 14:59 | <warren> sbalneav: huh? I'm asking Gadi about the Asus EEEPC 901 that he ordered
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| 14:59 | * vagrantc waves to gadi | |
| 14:59 | <warren> sbalneav: I have a Thinkpad T60 widescreen
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| 14:59 | monsterously huge
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| 14:59 | vagrantc: it supports PXE emulation only if your BIOS supports it. coreboot BIOS doesn't, for example.
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| 15:00 | <sbalneav> Does it support the vmx processor extentions? i.e. will it do kvm?
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| 15:00 | <warren> sbalneav: yes
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| 15:00 | <sbalneav> Hmmmm
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| 15:00 | <warren> sbalneav: if you're looking for hardware virt, first look at the processor specs
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| 15:00 | sbalneav: then make sure you don't buy a retarded brand of laptop
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| 15:00 | sbalneav: (HP, Compaq, Toshiba, etc.)
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> warren: yeah, i guess there are some that don't support it at all. but most systems have a BIOS.
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| 15:01 | <warren> I haven't seen any Dell or Lenovo with hardware virt capable that wasn't fixable with a BIOS update.
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| 15:01 | <sbalneav> If I do buy another, A lenovo one seems to be the way to go, these days.
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| 15:01 | <johnny123> vagrantc: sup?
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> johnny123: back to work at freegeek after a long weekend at... freegeek.
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| 15:04 | <epoxy|w3rk> i need to compile a kernel module for fglrx.. the server is running 2.6.24 and the ltsp client is running 2.6.18.. uname -a only reveals 2.6.18 when I am in the (read only) terminal of the client.
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| 15:04 | <warren> sbalneav: if you can afford one, Lenovo Thinkpad X300 is the best possible.
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| 15:05 | sbalneav: although I would wait a few months, maybe they'll have bigger or cheaper SSD options then. Flash really came down in price and up in size since the X300 was released.
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> warren: I think its coming in tomorrow (the eeepc) - but, yeah 6 cell batt (not sure about cooling fan)
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| 15:05 | but, remember, warren - you don't need it :)
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| 15:05 | <warren> Gadi: Yes, entirely out of curiosity. =)
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> sure...
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| 15:06 | ;)
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> etyack_: !!!!
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| 15:07 | <etyack_> Gadi!! nice picture
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> where? where?
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| 15:08 | <etyack_> ltsp hackfest
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> ooh - i didnt see pics
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| 15:08 | send me a link and Ill gimp you in ;)
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| 15:08 | <etyack_> mr tagomi's blog
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> warren: u blogging again?
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| 15:09 | * Gadi watches what he says | |
| 15:09 | <etyack_> http://wtogami.livejournal.com/26811.html
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| 15:09 | <warren> Gadi: yes
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| 15:09 | etyack_: Erick?
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| 15:09 | <etyack_> yep hi warren
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> gah - talk about a motley crew
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| 15:10 | <warren> etyack_: Hi. Just wanted to give a bit of friendly advice. You REALLY need to get an atom-based thin client to market ASAP. It will be very difficult for anything to compete with Atom in price and performance.
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| 15:10 | <etyack_> i expect some samples in late August
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| 15:10 | <warren> etyack_: a standard configuration of Atom processor + Intel 945 video makes it a killer powerful machine even for diskless workstation use.
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| 15:11 | ok
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| 15:11 | <etyack_> where are you finding competitive price points?
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| 15:11 | * warren finds url... | |
| 15:11 | <warren> etyack_: http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/T7Atom.html
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| 15:11 | etyack_: Atom-based thin client for 164 euros
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| 15:12 | etyack_: heat pipe fanless cooling
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| 15:12 | etyack_: now I haven't tested this particular model, but if it works with its written specs it would be AWESOME.
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| 15:13 | <etyack_> i've looked at those. but our cost of ~ $261 is steep
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> UK£ 164.00 = 321.85 U.S. dollars
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| 15:15 | <etyack_> oops converted euros
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| 15:16 | <warren> etyack_: priv msg
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| 15:16 | etyack_: I have no idea who their manufacturer is, but might be worthwhile looking into
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| 15:17 | Gadi: and yes, I'm currently writing up a full report about the hackfest
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> warren: u know, u misspelled my name - and where is Sunday's blog? That was the best day of the 3!
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| 15:17 | heh
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| 15:17 | <warren> Gadi: how do you spell your name?
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> Gideon
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| 15:17 | not Gideom
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| 15:17 | but, you can just call me Gadi
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| 15:17 | ;)
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| 15:17 | <warren> oops
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> just making sure those google searches pick me up
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| 15:18 | :)
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| 15:18 | ah, 21st century celebrity
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| 15:20 | <warren> we still have to write that Gideon_Romm wikipedia page
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> heh
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| 15:22 | hey - where's ogra in the pic?
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| 15:23 | was this when he was "in the bathroom"?
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| 15:25 | <RMSELTech> Can anyone tell me why sound is coming out of the internal speakers? I have just configured a "new" terminal I have never used before. Someone donated a bunch of IBM desktops. I have never encountered this before. Thanks for any help.
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| 15:25 | <gbolte> my guess is that its because the internal speaker is wired to the sound card ;)
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| 15:25 | looool
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| 15:26 | <RMSELTech> Oh, is that not normally done?
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| 15:26 | <japerry> RMSELTech: you must not be a system builder ;-)
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| 15:27 | the PC speaker is usually wired to a 4 pin (actually only uses two pins) on the motherboard labeled 'speaker'
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| 15:27 | <RMSELTech> No, just a volunteer at a school. Been using k12ltsp for 6 years now, I open em up and fix em, but really never ran into this! I have had a lot of different donations.
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| 15:28 | <japerry> some proprietary motherboards such as compaq, apple, ibm, and others have a port on the motherboard for the PC speaker, but its also wired into the onboard sound. The only motherboards that I know do that still today are Mac Pros, that and laptops
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| 15:31 | <warren> Gadi: yeah, no ogra, I should ahve took a picture later in that day.
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| 15:39 | <RMSELTech> Thanks, I honestly haven't even opened these up yet. Just got them in and of course need to use them as soon as possible. Thanks.
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| 15:39 | Yup. I found it. Is there any reason I shouldn't disconnect it? I googled a little bit on it and there was something about recompiling some portion of the sound. So that the internal speaker would not be used for applications?
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| 15:46 | <jcastro> RMSELTech: I would just disconnect them, they're annoying
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| 16:05 | <etyack_> sbalneav: hey! did the snow melt yet!
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| 16:06 | <jammcq> etyack_: hey
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| 16:06 | !seen sbalneav
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| 16:06 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <sbalneav> If I do buy another, A lenovo one seems to be the way to go, these days.
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| 16:06 | <etyack_> jammcq: hey
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| 16:12 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 16:12 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <ogra> well, it rotates through the different departments
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| 16:24 | * warren orders an EEEPC 901 | |
| 16:25 | <warren> I know, I have no self-control.
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| 16:25 | <warren> hmm, do I want white or black
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| 17:53 | <warren> johnny2: ping
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| 17:55 | <warren> dberkholz: ping
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| 17:56 | Anyone know johnny's last name?
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| 17:56 | for the report
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> i think it's on the wiki
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| 18:11 | warren: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/HackFest2008
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| 18:11 | <warren> which ryan was Ryan52?
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> niebur
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| 18:12 | warren: i really would like to extend a big thanks for keeping such good notes all weekend!
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| 18:13 | it's all too easy to just get caught up in hacking and forget what all we did ...
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| 18:13 | <warren> Ryan Niebur "of Debian"?
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| 18:13 | of any org?
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| 18:14 | * vagrantc hopes to get him on the pkg-ltsp team for debian :) | |
| 18:16 | <Ryan52> warren: I dunno...
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| 18:16 | <warren> I'm just putting you down as "of Debian"
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| 18:16 | as a strong hint
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| 18:16 | to Debian
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| 18:16 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 18:16 | <Ryan52> okay, sure :)
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| 18:22 | <warren> ok
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| 18:22 | you still there?
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| 18:22 | http://wtogami.livejournal.com/27023.html
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| 18:22 | please look this over for corrections
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| 18:22 | I tried to include everything
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| 18:22 | except action items
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| 18:23 | I'll do another post later with a full summary of action items
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| 18:23 | this post is meant to be more of a press release type of thing.
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: when you get a chance, log into alioth and see if you are in the ltsp groups
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| 18:24 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: I am.
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: both pkg-ltsp and scm_pkg-ltsp ?
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| 18:25 | <jammcq> warren: very nice
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> warren: the redhat money actually ended up funding 2-3 meals, depending how you count it :)
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| 18:29 | <warren> vagrantc: not important to go into that level of detail
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| 18:30 | I gotta go real soon, so please let me know if you see any corrrections or something obvious to add
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| 18:30 | i'm submitting this to various news sites
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| 18:32 | <jammcq> warren, type in the 'Ubuntu intrepid uploaded' section
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| 18:33 | 'new upstrea code'
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| 18:33 | <warren> ok
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| 18:33 | like this?
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| 18:33 | <jammcq> on my name should have the 'Q' capitalized
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| 18:33 | McQuillan
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| 18:33 | it's a wikiword :)
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| 18:34 | <warren> ok
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| 18:34 | I might as well link your company there as well
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| 18:34 | sorry I'm not linking ltsp.org... it in my mind has a lot of problems, it causes more confusion than it solves
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| 18:35 | I intend to work on ltsp.org content soon
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| 18:35 | <jammcq> sure
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| 18:36 | <warren> The distro-specific parts of LTSP are so improtant now
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| 18:36 | and it JUST WORKS if you follow each distro's instructions
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| 18:36 | so we would be better off erasing almost everything upstream and pointing to the distro's own pages.
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| 18:36 | ltsp.org should contain a lot less, but important stuff
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| 18:37 | like event planning, fund raising for those events, and links to common issues and plans.
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| 18:37 | <jammcq> I agree
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| 18:40 | <gbolte> warren, yeah the last time I went to the site it looked pretty outdated
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| 18:40 | :)
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| 18:41 | * gbolte goes to see it again | |
| 18:41 | <warren> If you see obviously confusing or wrong things, JUST DELETE IT for now
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| 18:41 | we have to build it all up from scratch almost
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| 18:42 | <gbolte> agreed...new site layout might help too :)
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| 18:42 | <warren> IMHO, I really don't like the twiki engine...
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| 18:42 | <gbolte> na
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| 18:42 | it needs to get replaced with something that better integrates with the site
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| 18:42 | <warren> does launchpad have a wiki?
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| 18:42 | for projects
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| 18:43 | <gbolte> not sure
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| 18:44 | hmm looks like no
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> warren: what about moving the whole site to oldwiki.ltsp.org or something like that?
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| 18:45 | <warren> vagrantc: sure, but we need a good engine for the new site.
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| 18:45 | I would be plenty happy with mediawiki
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| 18:45 | Fedora would even be able to host it, without any fedora branding visible.
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| 18:46 | * vagrantc is an ikiwiki lover | |
| 18:46 | <jammcq> the server we have was donated by AMD. it's a nice fast box and we've got good bandwidth. we can put anything we want on it
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> i really like having the ability to just commit via a real vcs
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| 18:46 | <warren> jammcq: oh ok.
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| 18:47 | does launchpad allow the ability for 3rd party stuff to auth against it?
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| 18:47 | or does launchpad support openid?
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| 18:47 | (fedora does)
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| 18:47 | * vagrantc notes that ikiwiki can support openid | |
| 18:47 | <warren> It would be nice if we could tell ltsp.org wiki to allow openid authentication from launchpad or fedora
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| 18:47 | but somehow I doubt launchpad would do it
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| 18:47 | because why would you want to use anything other than launchpad
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| 18:48 | =)
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 18:49 | <warren> I'm going to the gym, then back in ~30 minutes to pack up and go home.
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| 18:49 | let me know here if you have any more corrections or obvious things to report
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| 18:49 | (that happened)
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| 18:49 | I'll send it to various news sites when I get back
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| 20:03 | <johnny> warren: THANK YOU very much for the note taking, they are very good
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| 20:06 | oh.. one note about my involvement, I am not of gentoo
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| 20:06 | i am not an official developer of any sort
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| 20:07 | just a long time user
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| 20:54 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 20:54 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:54 | Hey jammcq
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| 21:01 | <johnny2> scotty has returned
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| 21:01 | am i the only one left in fair portland?
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| 21:01 | other than vagrantc himself
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| 21:01 | <jammcq> johnny2: you still in portland?
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| 21:01 | <johnny2> until tomorrow
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| 21:01 | <jammcq> wow
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| 21:06 | <johnny2> uggh
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| 21:06 | wifi ! :(
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| 21:07 | <Ryan52> johnny2: how are you always connecting from that same hostname?
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| 21:08 | oh, right, jabber...nevermind!
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| 21:13 | <johnny2> ok.. back inside.. hopefully it is more stable in here
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| 21:14 | Ryan52, i'm using the irc transport on my jabber server, just like i do with AIM
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| 21:16 | and soon.. my client will be able to connect via HTTP.. which means very few firewalls will be able to block me :)
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| 21:32 | <petre> evening all
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| 21:36 | <sbalneav> Evening
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| 21:37 | <petre> Scoot Beavens! ;-) Been a long time.
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| 21:38 | <sbalneav> Yep!
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| 21:39 | <petre> So, is LTSP-by-the-sea going to be Oct. 23 or 30?
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| 21:39 | I just read Warren's summary, but two different dates were mentioned
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| 21:40 | Warren's summary of the latest hackfest, that is
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| 21:40 | in which he alluded to the next hackfest in Maine in Oct.
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| 21:41 | <sbalneav> Not sure at this point.
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> yeah, it's looking like Oct 30 will be it
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| 21:41 | <petre> hey jammcq!
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> there's a conflict with oct 23 for ogra
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| 21:41 | hey petre
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| 21:42 | <petre> I'm planning to go to ltsp-b-t-s
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| 21:42 | saving my pennies for airfare
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| 21:44 | so is Oct. 30 pretty solid?
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| 21:44 | <jammcq> no
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| 21:45 | we need to talk to the motel guy
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| 21:45 | <petre> have you always been at the same motel there?
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| 21:45 | <jammcq> well, each time we've gone there, yes. it's only been twice
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| 21:45 | <petre> oh, I thought it was thrice
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| 21:46 | <jammcq> well, the first btw was only me, eHarrison, cliebow and dtrask
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| 21:46 | and it was only for an afternoon
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| 21:46 | <petre> yes, I remember the pictures; I was jealous
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| 21:47 | cliebow's parrots
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| 21:48 | wasn't there going to be another, but then mark shuttleworth had you all come to Montreal or some such?
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| 21:48 | <jammcq> yep
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| 21:49 | that was 2005 I think
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| 21:58 | <petre> what is statvfs? Why is it significant?
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| 21:59 | <jammcq> it's the whole reason why we had to write ltspfs
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| 21:59 | sshfs is a great remote filesystem, but doesn't support statfs, which is needed for things like seeing how much freespace exists on a filesystem
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| 22:00 | <petre> oh, so if ssh includes it, that means it can be used in sshfs?
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| 22:00 | <jammcq> but now, statvfs is supported, so it *might* take care of that problem for us, which means we can use sshfs for mounting user home directories
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| 22:00 | sshfs needs to be updated to use statvfs
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| 22:37 | <warren> jammcq: somehow sshfs already had it
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| 22:38 | jammcq: and it even seems to work well enough for the stat command and firefox.
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| 22:39 | wow. I somehow returned from Portland WAY better at guitar than when I went there.
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| 22:39 | I kind of like Eric's lifestyle.
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| 22:39 | work your ass off, then go home and play guitar until you pass out.
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| 22:39 | <warren> all of the guitar exercises in my boring book are easier now
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| 22:40 | <dberkholz> warren: pong if you still need me
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| 22:40 | <warren> dberkholz: nm, I only wanted johnny's last name, which I got.
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| 22:40 | <dberkholz> warren: btw, mind if i heavily quote your post for lwn? may or may not happen
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| 22:41 | <warren> dberkholz: for lwn? I was just about to send the entire thing to lwn as news.
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| 22:41 | <dberkholz> warren: yeah, i've been planning on an oscon writeup, and can pretty easily tie this in.
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| 22:41 | <warren> dberkholz: sure, include stuff
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| 22:41 | <dberkholz> warren: were you planning on actually publishing an article for them or just getting linkage?
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| 22:42 | if you wanted to do an article, i'd be happy to hold off
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| 22:42 | <warren> dberkholz: just getting linkage for this news, which sometimes does.
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| 22:43 | <dberkholz> warren: ah, ok. ... hmm... lemme think for a min and take my dog out.
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| 22:43 | <warren> I gotta sleep now.
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| 23:06 | <warren> I suppose I should give in to the whining on ltsp-developer about his news being excluded..
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| 23:06 | news that he didn't tell anyone
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| 23:06 | but
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| 23:06 | I'm sleeping.
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| 23:18 | <cyberorg> warren, sorry that you missed all the posts on ltsp-discuss
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| 23:18 | and the discussions here
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| 23:19 | and yes stop being a jerk and not call something you overlooked as "whining"
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| 23:21 | <jammcq> cyberorg: hey
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| 23:21 | <cyberorg> jammcq, hi :)
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| 23:21 | <jammcq> during our hackfest, I announced the plan for an event in brazil next summer
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| 23:21 | someone mentioned that you might be the likely opensuse person who could join us
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| 23:22 | i'm thinking that would be great, if you can make it
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| 23:22 | <cyberorg> jammcq, yeah, read the full report, unfortunately novell wont pay my passage :(
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| 23:22 | <johnny2> yeah.. gentoo is gonna pay mine
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| 23:22 | * johnny2 LOL | |
| 23:22 | <jammcq> heh
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| 23:22 | <johnny2> so.. i guess it's the carwash after all
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| 23:22 | <jammcq> well, I have no idea what kind of funding we might be able to find
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| 23:23 | <cyberorg> jammcq, also me being a non-developer dont know how much of value my participation would be
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| 23:23 | <dberkholz> johnny2: much to my regret, gentoo doesn't have the kind of income needed to pay for anyone's travel
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| 23:23 | we couldn't afford our own hosting if it weren't donated
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| 23:25 | <johnny2> yes.. thus the LOL
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| 23:25 | <cyberorg> johnny2, well exchange rates here is INR 45 ~ USD1, would be way beyond what i can afford :)
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| 23:28 | jammcq, i'd be giving a talk at http://mukt.in, about our work on 3 Aug
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| 23:29 | http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/28/kiwi-ltsp-at-muktin/
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| 23:29 | <johnny2> go go community sponsored distros
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| 23:39 | <btil> hello all...
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| 23:39 | anyone on?
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