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Channel log from 16 February 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:23 | <alkisg> Gadi_eeepc: Updating /var/lib/tftpboot directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 06:23 | Port already in use. Changing to 2000.
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| 06:24 | (works fine, just the message is misleading)
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| 08:22 | <zeltron> Hi. I'm testing setup of ltsp-cluster, and I've got a problem when my terminal tries to start ldm
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| 08:23 | <zeltron> Error message : syntax error in /var/cache/getltscfg-cluster/lts.conf
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| 08:23 | <ogra> fix your lts.conf then :)
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| 08:24 | <zeltron> ogra : OK, but there is no lts.conf in /var/cache/getltscfg-cluster
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| 08:24 | (neither on terminal, nor on servers
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| 08:24 | In fact, I can't find an lts.conf file
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| 08:25 | I guess it should be created by control-center (the web interface in which I put some parameters),
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| 08:26 | I guess too (maybe I'm wrong) it puts these parameters into postgresql db
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| 08:26 | but I can't find no lts.conf file
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| 08:27 | <Blinny> Sounds like a Rolling Stones song.
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| 08:28 | <ogra> i might be wrong but i think even in ltsp-cluster lts.conf lives somewhere under /var/lib/tftpboot on the server
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| 08:29 | <alincoln> Blinny: hah!
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| 08:30 | <zeltron> ogra : I thought so too, but no trace there !
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> guys, in ltsp-cluster, lts.conf is created on the fly from a wget call to the control center
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| 08:32 | if you have none, it means your client did not successfully contact the control center
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| 08:32 | <ogra> ah
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| 08:32 | it shouldnt fail to boot without one though
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/getltscfg-cluster
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| 08:33 | no, if you get a syntax error in any lts.conf, it will use defaults
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| 08:33 | <ogra> right, else its a serious bug
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> which may or may not produce a useable system (ie video might not be right)
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| 08:33 | <ogra> ldm should still come up
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| 08:34 | <zeltron> Gadi : I've got a file /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/getltscfg-cluster
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| 08:34 | but it's a little too complicated for me !
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> zeltron: right - thats a shell script that is what ltsp-cluster runs to get the lts.conf file
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| 08:35 | if you get to a shell on the client (either by installing ssh and/or setting a root password, you can try running getltscfg-cluster -a at a client shell
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| 08:36 | otherwise, be sure to follow the ltsp-cluster instructions carefully
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| 08:36 | all of those lts.conf vars that it suggests to add to the control center, you should add
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| 08:36 | there are some that are needed just to get to ldm
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| 08:37 | <zeltron> Gadi : I tried getltscfg-cluster -a on the client, and got the error message
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| 08:37 | (the same one)
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> zeltron: is the client's /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf correct?
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| 08:42 | <zeltron> It seems. The only difference between mine and the doc's one is I put the IP from the server instead of his dns name
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| 08:42 | (The server is not in dns at this time)
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| 08:42 | Should it be the source of my problem ?
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> no, IP should be better
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| 08:51 | <zeltron> I just noticed something really strange :
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| 08:52 | I'm logged as root on the client console and I try : ls /var/cache/getltscfg-cluster
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| 08:52 | The answer is changing every second !
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| 08:53 | the first time, there are 3 files (and an lts.conf), the second time, 2 files, then one, then no directory at all, then 3 filess...
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| 08:56 | <zeltron> Ok : I found the solution !
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| 08:56 | The doc on the net gave the following value for LDM_SERVER :
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| 08:57 | %LOADBALANCER%
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| 08:57 | I thought it was a constant ltsp knew, but it seems it is not
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| 08:58 | I replaced it with the IP of the server and it works... better
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| 08:58 | Only better, because now, I've got a screen on the client that tells me the client conf (MAC ADDRESS, IP, CPU...), but no way to get further !
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| 09:00 | <alincoln> isn't there something funny about that window not responding to one or the other of mouse/keyboard?
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| 09:00 | try the keyboard if the mouse doesn't work.
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| 09:01 | <zeltron> alincoln : I'm beginner with LTSP-cluster, but not with computer ;-)... I already tried it, of course
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> zeltron: you can only use %LOADBALANCER% if you are using ltsp-cluster's loadbalancer
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| 09:01 | <alincoln> zeltron: heh, fair enough
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| 09:01 | <zeltron> (return key, alt-o, altgr-o...), nothing works
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| 09:02 | Gadi : I am using it
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> Morning al
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| 09:02 | all
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| 09:04 | <zeltron> alincoln : You were (already) right : I had to move the mouse, there was no cursor, but at a time, I saw the 'OK' bouton highlight.
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| 09:05 | <zeltron> But click didn't work, so I had to press the enter key !
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| 09:05 | <alincoln> zeltron: ah!
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| 09:05 | i sat at that screen once and wondered what to do.
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| 09:54 | <nosedrum> hi
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| 09:55 | I experiment a Firefox issue running on a ltsp client
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| 09:56 | On a buisness jsp site the result of a form normally appear on local firefox but not on the ltsp client
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| 09:56 | I have no idea why
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| 09:56 | nobody have some experience with that ?
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> Soryy, what does "result of a form" mean?
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| 09:57 | when you're typing, it doesn't appear?
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| 09:57 | or the java applet's showing blank, or what?
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| 09:57 | We'd need more info.
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| 09:58 | <nosedrum> I'm typing a reference in a form and submit for result
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| 09:58 | Typing OK on local and client
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| 09:58 | but the result of submit (a list of two links) appear on local firefox (server) but not on client side
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> First off, is this an embedded java applet? Or is the jsp just returning a "standard" web page?
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| 10:00 | <nosedrum> it's return standard web code
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| 10:00 | js and html
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 10:00 | <nosedrum> i trace it with firebug
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> so, when you do a "show page source" on the returned page, is it the same for both the local and thin client?
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| 10:04 | <nosedrum> sorry was on phone (work)
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| 10:04 | good idea
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| 10:04 | i'll check that
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| 10:04 | i'll be back soon
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| 10:09 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 10:09 | so some diff
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| 10:09 | diff local.srv client.srv
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| 10:09 | like:
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| 10:09 | < src="FC97A38A351269D186E84FB6842724B57.srv?dlg=CtrDefault&action=Enter"
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| 10:09 | ---
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| 10:09 | > src="E47305932E8DAEECB9F65C78C41E3C447.srv?dlg=CtrDefault&action=Enter"
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| 10:10 | just on id
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| 10:10 | just normally things
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| 10:11 | i think
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| 10:12 | the rest of page source is the same
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> So, the code for the links is there, but the links simply aren't displayed?
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| 10:15 | <nosedrum> right
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| 10:16 | exactly
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> What's there in their place?
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| 10:16 | just blanks?
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| 10:16 | <nosedrum> yes just blank
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> If you highlight the page, are the links there? I'm just wondering if they're in white for some reason?
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| 10:17 | <nosedrum> no, i have try... normally the result is a table with two icons on bottom and the links on table cells
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| 10:18 | <cliebow> Canadians Rock!
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| 10:18 | <nosedrum> on the client is ther just table headers with title and the two iconw on botton.. no cells, no links...
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> Hm, never seen that before.
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> What are you running?
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| 10:18 | <nosedrum> ubuntu 9.04
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> is your chroot up-to-date?
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| 10:19 | <nosedrum> firefox shiretoko
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| 10:19 | iep
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> firefox which?
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| 10:19 | <nosedrum> ff 3.5.7 = shiretoko
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> So a different firefox than ubuntu comes with?
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| 10:20 | <nosedrum> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100106 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Shiretoko/3.5.7
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| 10:20 | <cliebow> 64 bit?
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| 10:20 | <nosedrum> iep
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> iep?
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| 10:21 | <nosedrum> yes
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| 10:21 | <cliebow> like yep?
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| 10:21 | <nosedrum> sorry i'm french
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| 10:21 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 10:21 | <nosedrum> :D
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> ok, then I'm at a loss. Only thing I could suggest is that with 9.04, I beleive the libxcb bug wasn't fixed yet.
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| 10:22 | Have a look at stgraber's ppa for a fixed libxcb, try installing that in both the chroot and the server.
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| 10:22 | !stgraber
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| 10:22 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "stgraber" :: rules
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> umm
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| 10:22 | !stgraber-ppa
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| 10:22 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "stgraber-ppa" :: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> ^^
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| 10:22 | <nosedrum> ok and up to 9.10 on local and chroot not a solution ?
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| 10:23 | for this fix ?
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> that would be a solution too.
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| 10:23 | Or something you could try, anyway
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| 10:23 | <nosedrum> ok. i'll try that bu it's very strange.
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> I've never seen web pages not render correctly
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| 10:23 | <nosedrum> i didn't specify you this appening at random
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| 10:24 | some time result appear sometimes not
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> If the results don't appear, is the firefox spinner still spinning?
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| 10:24 | <nosedrum> firefox spinner ?
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> i.e. is this a case that the page isn't fully loading
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| 10:25 | throbber, whatever they call it. The "still loading" indicator :)
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| 10:25 | <nosedrum> ok... no spinner always finish to search
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 10:25 | Was just wondering if this was maybe a networking problem.
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| 10:25 | <nosedrum> no network problem
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| 10:25 | sure
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> Honestly, I've never seen this before.
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| 10:26 | I'd try an upgrade to 9.10
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| 10:26 | <nosedrum> Ok i'll try
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| 10:26 | <sbalneav> after full backups, of course :)
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| 10:26 | <nosedrum> a last question
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| 10:26 | <sbalneav> Sure
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| 10:26 | <nosedrum> my local server is x86_64 and my lts image is build with -a i86
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| 10:26 | is it a problem ?
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| 10:26 | i386*
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| 10:27 | <johnny> that's what most people do..
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| 10:28 | <nosedrum> ok so 64 application lauch from thin client are not "unstable"
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> No, that should be fine.
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| 10:28 | Lots of people deploy ltsp that way.
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| 10:29 | <nosedrum> (Good question after 80 production sites installed... lol)
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| 10:30 | <cliebow> heheh!
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 10:30 | <nosedrum> Ok thanks for help and info... And for all what you do on LTSP project ! see you
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> No problem
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| 10:34 | <stgraber> pushing a new nbd-proxy to ltsp-trunk
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| 10:34 | it'll need some more testing to make sure it's stable though
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| 10:34 | <cliebow> cool! 80 independent sites?
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| 10:37 | <stgraber> new ltsp-trunk snapshot on its way
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| 10:37 | alkisg: I'd appreciate if you can test it. It's supposed to be the same as what we gave you but we never know what's happening on LP :)
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> stgraber: thanks, I'll test it
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| 12:20 | <knipwim> i have a weird xorg issue on my client
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| 12:20 | ldm starts
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| 12:21 | but a startx fails
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| 12:21 | when logging on to the server, the login process also fails at starting X
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| 12:22 | any ideas where the problem might be?
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> compiz?
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| 12:22 | Ah, that's gentoo?
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| 12:22 | <knipwim> gentoo id, and no compiz
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> ~/.xsession-errors?
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| 12:23 | <knipwim> all hal stuff is compiled in on the client
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| 12:29 | hmmm, /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession: line 71: exec: xsm: not found
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| 12:29 | and it's not installed
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| 12:29 | that could be it :)
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| 12:34 | yeah! it workes
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| 12:35 | alkisg: thanks a lot, i've been trying things for hours
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| 12:35 | thinking it was a kernel/module problem
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| 12:37 | <rjune> howdy all
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> knipwim, you're welcome
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| 14:01 | <knipwim> johnny: you there?
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| 14:01 | <johnny> hi
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| 14:03 | <knipwim> i'd like to discuss two issues with you
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| 14:03 | first: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wimmuskee/ltsp/ltsp-gentoo-dev/revision/1497
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| 14:03 | <knipwim> which includes hal support for the client xorg-server
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| 14:23 | <johnny> knipwim, add todos for those, so we can search
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| 14:24 | and switch the ordering of hal and dbus, so the comment only applies to hal
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| 14:25 | knipwim, you might also want to look into the changed to the ubuntu/debian initscripts to see if we can remove some of the stuff we had there
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| 14:25 | there were some things .. i can't recall
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| 14:25 | also.. ltsp cluster stuff at some point :)
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> Wow... "Gentoo is getting very close" ;)
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| 14:29 | Well done guys
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| 14:29 | <johnny> it's been there for ages
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| 14:30 | it can be changed anytime
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| 14:30 | <johnny> actually.. there's still one major stop for awesome integration tho :(
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| 14:30 | alkisg, our initramfs generator is not very good
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| 14:30 | and still hastn' gotten better
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| 14:31 | i really really wanted to use what gentoo puts in their own guide
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| 14:31 | genkernel
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| 14:31 | BUT......... it does not work for us at all with ltsp.. not enough network drivers by default, and you must edit a file manually to add more
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| 14:32 | so.. we probably need to switch to dracut..
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| 14:33 | <knipwim> johnny: the other thing i wanted to discuss
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| 14:33 | was that ltsp-client won't login unless a wm is present
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| 14:33 | <johnny> of course
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| 14:33 | <johnny> what do you expect
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| 14:33 | <knipwim> but the default wm, tvm, is not installed by default
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| 14:33 | <kebax> hello
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| 14:34 | <johnny> hmm.. did that change?
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| 14:34 | * vagrantc expects good food and drink | |
| 14:34 | <knipwim> in the xinit package, the minimal use flag is enabled by default now
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| 14:34 | <johnny> ah!
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| 14:34 | bastards..
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| 14:34 | <knipwim> leaving out xsm, xterm, tvm and such
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| 14:35 | <johnny> so.. should ltsp-server dep on some virtual ?
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| 14:35 | is there such a virtual?
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| 14:35 | <knipwim> so we could add xinit[-minimal] to ltsp-server
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| 14:35 | <johnny> virtual/vm ?
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| 14:35 | err virtual/wm
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| 14:35 | btw.. i can't believe portage 2.2 is not stable yet
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| 14:35 | wtf
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| 14:35 | how long has it been?
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| 14:36 | <knipwim> they're proably working on it
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| 14:36 | <johnny> that's why i stopped using gentoo on my main desktop.. crap like that
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| 14:36 | <knipwim> they do work on openrc
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| 14:36 | <johnny> sure.. but it's been 2 years now
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| 14:36 | <knipwim> i see bug deps being removed in bugzilla
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| 14:36 | <johnny> that's good..
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| 14:36 | <knipwim> i know, but there is hope :)
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| 14:36 | <johnny> but would be better to just switch to upstart or somethin..
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| 14:37 | it stopped being worth it to compile software that wasn't bleeding edge and new
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| 14:37 | fedora has newer stuff
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| 14:37 | <knipwim> or make the ebuild yourself
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| 14:37 | <johnny> had to do that too many times
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| 14:38 | <knipwim> no virtual/wm though
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| 14:39 | <cliebow> vagrantc:you going somewhere with the Jammman?
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| 14:39 | <knipwim> so we could include the xinit[-minimal] dependency
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> cliebow: no
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| 14:39 | <knipwim> or do nothing and put a msg on the wiki
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> i just prioritize good food on a daily basis :)
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| 14:39 | <knipwim> or a message ibn the ebuild
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| 14:39 | <cliebow> you said goood foood.. first thought was jammcq 8~
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| 14:39 | )
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| 14:41 | <fudoreaper> i hate to be such a newb, but. I have a Ubuntu 9.10 LTSP server, and i want to know how to get a client to boot to it. i don't understand the etherboot/gPXE steps exactly
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| 14:44 | is it all about setting the correct DHCP options?
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| 14:44 | <kebax> stgraber here?
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| 14:45 | <cliebow> fudoreaper, yes yes
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| 14:45 | fudoreaper, but i am so rusty i have to leave it at that
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| 14:46 | <fudoreaper> cliebow: i see.. unfortunately i currently have an MS DHCP server on all my networks...
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| 14:46 | <cliebow> well that i can help with..i think..
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i'm a little pressed for time regarding nbd-proxy ... i can check tonight.
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| 14:47 | hopefully
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| 14:48 | <fudoreaper> cliebow, any help would be appreciated
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| 14:49 | all the howtos i have found assume the LTSP server is the DHCP server as well, on an isolated network
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| 14:49 | <cliebow> i had a bunch o stuff on the old ltsp wiki..ooking for it now
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| 14:49 | <fudoreaper> i am not really in that situation
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| 14:49 | <johnny> knipwim, putting a post install message would do it
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| 14:49 | or perhaps ltsp-build-client should warn?
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> fudoreaper: there are 2 ways, one is to adjust your windows dhcp server, but if you don't succeed with that, there's also the possibility to use a proxydhcp on your linux server: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 14:51 | <knipwim> johnny: how could it check for installed wms?
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| 14:51 | <johnny> didn't say it should
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| 14:51 | <cliebow> fudoreaper, i have to go..but this link has a little dhcp stuff..
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| 14:52 | <johnny> but.. ltsp-build-client could warn , or the package post install could warn
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| 14:52 | that you need to install one
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| 14:52 | whether you have one or not
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| 14:52 | <cliebow> basically option 17 and 67
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| 14:52 | <stgraber> vagrantc: would be great, ideally, I'd release 5.2 tomorrow just in time for Ubuntu's feature freeze
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> stgraber: early or late in the day?
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| 14:53 | <stgraber> alkisg: did you have the chance to do a quick test
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| 14:53 | vagrantc: late
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> stgraber: good, i might get some time to test in the afternoon.
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| 14:53 | <fudoreaper> cliebow, thanks for your help
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> worst case is it doesn't work for debian, but it's non-default anyways.
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| 14:53 | and we fix it later.
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> stgraber: I was waiting for upower to be available in the archives, because it breaks new fat client chroots, but I'll test now with an existing thin chroot
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> plain NBD works fine with debian, and gets most of the advantages.
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| 14:54 | <stgraber> alkisg: great, thanks. Also if you can get the user who had it happen on real hardware to update and test with nbd-proxy, that'd be awesome.
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| 14:55 | <cliebow> oohh..no longr even need rootpath..
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> stgraber: hmm I'll do that, but not before FF, it'll take some time for him to try it.
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| 14:55 | cliebow: yup, that's for nfs. Some weird PXE clients need it though, to accept the lease, even if it isn't used later on.
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| 14:58 | <knipwim> johnny: a message in ltsp-server seems better because it's package related
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| 14:58 | and it's server related
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> stgraber: nbd-proxy from 5.2~bzr1668-0ubuntu1~ppa1~lucid1 works fine in my vbox. ;)
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| 15:17 | <alincoln> hey folks - i wrote a script called ltsp-chroot-tool that's intended to be part of ltsp-server, and i'm looking for feedback on features, style, bugs, etc. here's a link to the file in my personal branch: http://ur1.ca/miua
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| 15:18 | <johnny> alincoln, please don't use a shortener unless you have to..
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| 15:18 | /me assumes you're not posting from twitter or sms to here
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| 15:18 | shorteners can die.. and then so does your link
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| 15:18 | <alincoln> johnny: ok. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eadamjlincoln/%2Bjunk/my-ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/server/ltsp-chroot-tool
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| 15:19 | <johnny> alincoln, yeah.. you should add support for plugins to that
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| 15:19 | distro plugins i mean
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> alincoln: why two parameters, update and don't update image?
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| 15:20 | <alincoln> alkisg: if you don't specify either, it asks
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| 15:20 | johnny: i can do that, yep.
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| 15:20 | <johnny> knipwim, check it out.. would be neat
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| 15:20 | <alincoln> johnny: in fact, uh, it's silly if i don't do plugins, eh?
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| 15:21 | <johnny> if your goal is to get it upstreamed. then i suppose so :)
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| 15:21 | <alincoln> hehe
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| 15:21 | yes, you are right.
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| 15:21 | <johnny> if your goal is ti get it included in just debian/ubuntu.. then not so much
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| 15:21 | alincoln, also.. vagrantc started some ltsp info tool you might want to share infra with
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| 15:22 | in fact.. we should probably do some braining in how ltsp-build-client, ltsp-chroot-tool, and that ltsp info tool fit together
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| 15:22 | see how much more can be shared
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> alincoln: """if ! $(mount | grep -F "on ${CHROOT}/proc"); then""" => "on" won't work with localized mount - I think the current code checks for proc/cpuinfo to see if it's mounted
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| 15:22 | <johnny> localized mount?
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| 15:22 | oh.. the mount command?
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| 15:22 | <alincoln> alkisg: ah, ok. i stole that from somewhere... build-client plugin, maybe?
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| 15:23 | <johnny> ah.. see.. we should share more!!
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| 15:23 | between these neat commands
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| 15:23 | make more of ltsp-build-client into a library
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> alincoln: also, I think it's not adviced to mount /dev/pts.... maybe make a parameter for that, with default=off?
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| 15:24 | <alincoln> alkisg: dunno. build-client does it
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| 15:24 | but i'm open to understanding better why we might want to.
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| 15:24 | i thought it may be a dpkg thing
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> MOUNT_PACKAGE_DIR => MOUNT_PACKAGE_CACHE
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| 15:24 | (dir is if the user provides a dir)
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| 15:25 | <alincoln> alkisg: i plan to add user specified dir, so i used the same convention as build-client, where mount-package-cache uses MOUNT_PACKAGE_DIR but with a hardcoded default
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> alincoln: and I think you can reuse some ltsp-common-functions, e.g. boolean_is_true...
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| 15:25 | <alincoln> ah, yes, you're right
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| 15:25 | <johnny> so.. a suggestion for ltsp 5.3
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| 15:26 | a more unified ltsp-build-client/ltsp-chroot-tool/ltsp-info
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| 15:26 | we should use launchpad blueprints
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| 15:26 | or somethin
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| 15:26 | <alincoln> in general, would something like this be useful to people?
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| 15:27 | <johnny> sure.. why not
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| 15:27 | alincoln, perhaps it could work with that easy ltsp gui thing.. or somethin
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> alincoln: also check if you want: cp /etc/resolv.conf "$ROOT/etc/", and export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false
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| 15:27 | <johnny> alincoln, or.. perhaps.. is there any way we can use packagekit ?
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| 15:27 | not sure if packagekit handles chroots.. but that woul be ultrasweet
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| 15:27 | <alincoln> johnny: yeah, i kind of had in mind a broader chroot management thing.
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| 15:28 | <johnny> so we don't have to manually handle the abstraction
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| 15:28 | alincoln, perhaps we should try to get upstream to help us here
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| 15:28 | if packagekit does enough for us.. that would be great..
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| 15:28 | packagekit now supports all the distros ltsp supports i think..
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| 15:29 | <knipwim> johnny: dpkg --print-architecture is not available on gentoo
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| 15:29 | also, the dpkg command prints out i386 while gentoo uses x86
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| 15:29 | <johnny> knipwim, that's why it needs a plugin.. system
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| 15:29 | <knipwim> also an issue in ltsp-update-image btw
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| 15:29 | <johnny> ?
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| 15:29 | yes
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| 15:30 | we need to spend some time unifying these things is exactly what i was saying
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> Will gento be able to use nbd?
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| 15:30 | <johnny> alkisg, why not?
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> Just asking :)
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| 15:30 | <johnny> it won't come default, since we can't rely on the server kernel including it
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| 15:30 | but it's certainly possible if we replace our initramfs crapola
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| 15:30 | which needs to be done anyways..
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| 15:30 | alkisg, i kept holding out for the developers to care..
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| 15:31 | <knipwim> haven;t got it working also ...
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| 15:31 | <johnny> too long now tho..
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| 15:31 | knipwim, dracut?
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| 15:31 | well.. we can work with upstream
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| 15:31 | <knipwim> dracut and nbd
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| 15:31 | haven't put to much time in both tough
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| 15:31 | not working out of the box anyway
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| 15:31 | <johnny> just using dracut in general would be a big deal
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| 15:32 | and it would make gentoo chroot work out of the box for nfs..
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| 15:32 | <knipwim> but on the unification, i would like a generic ltsp function to call and get my arch
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| 15:32 | <johnny> we have that.. but only in the plugin
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| 15:32 | <knipwim> depending on the distro i'm using
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| 15:32 | <johnny> err ltsp-build-client plugin
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| 15:32 | knipwim, also.. ltsp-info .. that vagrantc wrote
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| 15:32 | in fact.. ltsp-chroot-tool, and ltsp-build-client should use that
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| 15:33 | <Lns> stgraber: do you know about a possible bug in lucid daily/ldm-server that hangs during "Setting up ldm-server (2:2.0.54-0ubuntu1) ..." ?
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| 15:33 | <stgraber> Lns: haven't seen that yet
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| 15:33 | <Lns> stgraber: just ran into it
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| 15:33 | anything I can do to troubleshoot?
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| 15:34 | <alincoln> Lns: i've seen that. you can ctrl-c, then dpkg will go back at the end and reconfigure it
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| 15:34 | and it works fine
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| 15:34 | some process runs away or something
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| 15:34 | <Lns> alincoln: hrmmm
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| 15:35 | wondering if i can pinpoint anything for a bug report or something
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| 15:35 | <stgraber> Lns: ps aux would help
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> Lns: open another terminal
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| 15:36 | in that, write: sudo service openbsd-inetd restart
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| 15:36 | Then ldm-server.postinst will continue... ;)
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| 15:37 | <Lns> stgraber: http://pastebin.com/m797e063d
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| 15:37 | alkisg: is ldm-server trying to contact the (failed to start) dhcp3-server?
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| 15:37 | err
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| 15:37 | <Lns> n/m ;)
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| 15:38 | <stgraber> ok, so it's update-inetd that's failing ...
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| 15:39 | <Lns> alkisg: stgraber: what alkisg said above works
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> I've seen it in all installations I've done in the last month...
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| 15:40 | Lns, also, tftpd-hpa might not start on boot. If you reboot and see it not started, ping me to tell you a workaround
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| 15:41 | <Lns> alkisg: thx. I might have to go get a small switch and get a test env. going so i don't have to swap dhcp servers all the time..would make full testing much easier ;)
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| 15:42 | <stgraber> alkisg: any idea why we need to restart it ? sounds like update-inetd doesn't do what it's supposed to do ...
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> stgraber: no, I forgot to look into it... :(
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| 15:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all. Having problems getting 10.04 Alpha working with Etherboot...
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| 15:43 | <knipwim> the ltsp-info looks good, but it can only be applied if all distros support the same functions
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| 15:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> I used mknbi the same as what fixed 9.10, but it's not really booting this time. Just stops after ".............done"
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: aren't those workstations flashable to gpxe?
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| 15:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: haha.
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> ...so I'm guessing "nah"? :D
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| 15:47 | * _UsUrPeR_ flies to brazil to flash some dude's T-150E | |
| 15:48 | <alkisg> Would flashing require hardware? /me doesn't know about real thin clients...
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| 15:50 | <Lns> crossover cable ftw!
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| 15:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have never flashed one either, but it depends on the mobo revision of the thin client. Some are flashed, some have sockets for new eeprom chips.
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| 15:51 | but yeah, to flash a new chip, you'd need the hardware for it
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> Ah ok, I thought it would be as easy as netbooting it with an e.g. award flasher...
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| 15:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: yeah, it's dependent on the model
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| 15:55 | waaaay aside though, any ideas about etherboot on 10.04? :P
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| 15:56 | * alkisg saw that the 9.10 etherboot bug was solved in a few ...months, that's why he asked about flashing :D | |
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| 15:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> seriously though, we have a lot of clients in a lot of places, and flashing them separately isn't really an option :/
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| 15:58 | the last fix for 9.10 was simply installing mknbi on the client image, and updating ltsp's kernel list
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| 16:06 | <Lns> alkisg: Ok, booting my client gives "TFTP Error - File Not found" - is this what you're talking about? ;)
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| 16:08 | I have "/usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user tftp --address 0.0.0.0:69 --secure /var/lib/tftpboot" running
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> Lns: you have that running?
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| 16:20 | <Lns> alkisg: yeah
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> My problem was that it didn't run at boot...
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| 16:21 | The symptom is the same, tftp: file not found
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> So you rebooted the server, and without manually starting tftpd-hpa, it was running? weird.. :(
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| 16:22 | <Lns> alkisg: yeah.. but still no love to the client
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| 16:22 | oh jeez
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| 16:22 | i'm an idiot
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| 16:22 | i haven't ltsp-build-client yet ;)
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 16:22 | * Lns smacks himself on head | |
| 16:22 | * alkisg curses race conditions :( | |
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> Lns, do you want to try sch-scripts?
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| 16:23 | <Lns> alkisg: i'd love to
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> It builds thin clients from a gui :D
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| 16:23 | ***thin chroots
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| 16:23 | <Lns> oh
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| 16:23 | maybe i can test it to build some fat client chroots? =) even though i'm not going to want to run a fat client out of my koolu amd geode tc ;)
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> Sure, but not today, the ubuntu archive is broken today because of upower
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| 16:24 | (a new package)
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| 16:24 | For fat clients, the package selection is done in .conf files
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| 16:24 | <Lns> ikes
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> OK if you want we may go over it tomorrow or some day after that (maybe some messages are greek only, so you'll need my help, and I'll need yours, if we're to translate them :D)
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| 16:27 | <fudoreaper> i'm setting DHCP options to get my workstation to boot...
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| 16:27 | i've set option 17 and 67... but don't i need to specify the IP address of the boot server?
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| 16:28 | <Lns> alkisg: no worries, that would be cool. =)
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> 67=boot filename, 17==? is that next-server?
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| 16:28 | fudoreaper: if 17=tftp server, then that can also be used as the boot server
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| 16:29 | <Lns> fudoreaper: that's a windows dhcp server?
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| 16:29 | <fudoreaper> yeah, MS DHCP server i'm working with
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| 16:29 | * Lns has only seen numerical dhcp option references w/ms) | |
| 16:29 | <Lns> fudoreaper: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 16:29 | <fudoreaper> well they're ALL numerical, LNS
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| 16:29 | and have a name
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| 16:29 | in the IANA spec, i mean
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| 16:29 | but, okay
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| 16:29 | <Lns> oh gotcha
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> 066 Boot Server Host Name: <ip address>
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| 16:30 | <Lns> yikes..that page could use some cleanup
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> Also it should say "install ltsp-server, not ltsp-server-standalone" instead of telling people to remove dhcp3-server
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| 16:31 | <fudoreaper> okay, yes, set option 66
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| 16:31 | i'm trying to use gPXE to boot the client...
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> With gpxe you don't even need a dhcp server at all :D
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> you and your crazy gpxe.
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| 16:32 | <fudoreaper> ho ho, getting somewhere
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| 16:33 | i see all the right options returned
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> Well, if BIOSes had gpxe, we could even have ssh keys on the TCs :D
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| 16:33 | <fudoreaper> the IP addresses all seem right... trying to load tftp now...
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| 16:33 | alkisg, um... don't need a DHCP server at all?
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| 16:33 | i want to be able to netboot off a CD, at the moment
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> fudoreaper: yeah, you can hardcode all the values in an embedded gpxe script
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| 16:34 | <fudoreaper> auto-netbooting is something for the future
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| 16:34 | * Lns wonders why the wiki page says you *have to* specify MACs in the MS dhcp server to boot them..i've never had a problem with simply putting them in the global scope...well, unless all your machines try to network boot by default =p | |
| 16:34 | <alkisg> And download that from rom-o-matic, in a CD image
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| 16:34 | <fudoreaper> huh... i could try etherboot
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| 16:34 | <Lns> isn't gpxe == etherboot?
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> etherboot == very old gpxe, sucks
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| 16:34 | gpxe is waaaaaaaay better
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| 16:34 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: what's so crazy about gpxe :p
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: nothing ... hoping it hits debian soon. :)
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| 16:35 | <highvoltage> awesome
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I added a grub2 /etc/grub.d/40_gpxe script in your gpxe package
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| 16:36 | If you're still updating it, maybe you want to include it?
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> i put some work into it, and panthera was putting some work into it ... and otavio was maybe going to help too
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> It adds a "boot from network" entry to grub2
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ooooh. nice. :)
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| 16:36 | <panthera> and it's almost finished
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| 16:36 | * vagrantc dances | |
| 16:36 | <alkisg> Yey!
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| 16:36 | <panthera> eta is saturday evening
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> Goi go panthera!
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| 16:37 | <fudoreaper> now my TFTP server isn't working!
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| 16:37 | console@proxy:~$ atftp 10.1.100.13
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| 16:37 | tftp> get ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 16:37 | timeout: retrying...
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| 16:37 | :(
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| 16:37 | <panthera> .oO(use tftp-hpa; aftp sucks)
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> fudoreaper: ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 ?
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| 16:38 | <fudoreaper> onsole@bal-linux2:~$ ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 16:38 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14776 2010-02-16 13:34 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> fudoreaper: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf ?
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> panthera: i've been meaning to grumble about tftpd-hpa changes... but haven't had the chance to do so properly. :)
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| 16:39 | <fudoreaper> console@bal-linux2:~$ grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 16:39 | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> vagrantc: Ubuntu chose to keep using /var/lib/tftpboot for now
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| 16:39 | fudoreaper: sudo service openbsd-inetd restart
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| 16:40 | And try sudo apt-get install tftp-hpa / tftp 10.1.100.13 / bin / get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 while sitting on the server.
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| 16:40 | <fudoreaper> ... bin, eh?
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> I think there were some problems with the default netascii mode, but I don't remember details
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| 16:41 | <panthera> fudoreaper: tftp-hpa in stable isn't a good package, the one from testing/unstable is much better
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| 16:42 | <panthera> fudoreaper: and runs standalone and asks through debconf any optional stuff, so the setup is just 'apt-get install tftpd-hpa' and it works out-of-the-box.
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| 16:42 | much nicer user experience ;)
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| 16:43 | <fudoreaper> console@bal-linux2:~$ tftp 10.1.100.13
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| 16:43 | tftp> bin
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| 16:43 | tftp> get ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 16:43 | Transfer timed out.
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| 16:43 | so that's what's happening on the LTSP server now
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> netstat -nap|grep :69
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| 16:44 | <Lns> woohoo! boots to ldm =) i just need to get a small usb keyboard, it doesn't like my ps2->usb converter ( -> kvm switch) ;)
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| 16:45 | <fudoreaper> alkisg, nothing... but i was sure i saw something...
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> fudoreaper: see the logs for any related messages, e.g. sudo grep tftp /var/log/*
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| 16:49 | <fudoreaper> alkisg, okay, got it
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| 16:49 | tftpd-hpa is disabled by default in /etc/default
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| 16:49 | i was confused and saw tftpd running on a different server
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> fudoreaper: that's because it starts from inetd
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| 16:49 | <fudoreaper> ha
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> Don't enable it from there...
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| 16:54 | <fudoreaper> alkisg, oh right...
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> Try again looking at inetd.conf and restarting openbsd-inetd and looking at the logs
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| 16:57 | <fudoreaper> ah... it's called openbsd-inetd
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| 16:57 | that's the trick
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| 16:58 | k, think i got it now...
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| 16:59 | <fudoreaper> oh man it's booting!
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| 17:00 | * alkisg remembers the joy of the first network boot... :D | |
| 17:00 | <fudoreaper> yeah!
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| 17:00 | i've got a login pompt
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| 17:00 | alkisg, thanks for all your advice here
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> np
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| 17:01 | <fudoreaper> this is excellent
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| 17:01 | i'm at a school now
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| 17:01 | all MS environment
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| 17:01 | heh
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| 17:01 | TILL NOW!
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| 17:04 | * alkisg calls it a day. Goodnight all... | |
| 17:05 | <fudoreaper> awwwww
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| 17:05 | i can't login!
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| 17:05 | it reboots X on me
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> if you changed the ip, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image
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| 17:06 | <Lns> fudoreaper: congrats! Oh, I remember when my first client booted...I was so ecstatic =)
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| 17:07 | <fudoreaper> this is amazing
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| 17:07 | yeah
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| 17:07 | but i can't login
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| 17:07 | Feb 16 17:00:27 bal-linux2 sshd[22827]: Accepted password for bhs from 10.1.100.126 port 47396 ssh2
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| 17:07 | Feb 16 17:00:27 bal-linux2 sshd[22827]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user bhs by (uid=0)
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| 17:07 | Feb 16 17:00:29 bal-linux2 sshd[22891]: subsystem request for sftp
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| 17:07 | Feb 16 17:00:30 bal-linux2 sshd[22827]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed for user bhs
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| 17:07 | i see that in the auth.log
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| 17:08 | so it seems i've got the right password...
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| 17:08 | <Lns> fudoreaper: did you ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image?
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| 17:08 | <fudoreaper> i'm doing that right now
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| 17:08 | the update-sshkeys did nothing
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| 17:08 | <Lns> fudoreaper: it doesn't normally give output
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| 17:08 | <fudoreaper> i installed ltsp packages today...
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| 17:09 | but i'm redoing the i386 arch now
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| 17:13 | i saw a message this time 'no reponse from server, restarting'
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| 17:13 | it's like X reboots...
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| 17:14 | actually it says no response when i put in the wrong pass
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| 17:14 | on right pass, it just restarts X
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| 17:17 | <johnny> why does it say subsystem request for sftp ..
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| 17:17 | is that normal ?
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| 17:17 | <fudoreaper> johnny: i dunno
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| 17:17 | <johnny> doesn't seem normal..
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| 17:18 | <fudoreaper> some kind of encrypted FS mount?
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| 17:18 | i tried to login on console1, like non-gui
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| 17:18 | didn't work, though
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| 17:18 | and that doesn't seem to hit the server...
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| 17:18 | <Lns> johnny: to mount the user's home?
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| 17:19 | fudoreaper: tty1 on thin client is the client chroot. you have to set up a user in the chroot for that to work
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| 17:19 | <fudoreaper> Lns: okay, that makes sense
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| 17:19 | same thing with the X gui?
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| 17:20 | no, must not be, SSH sees and accepts the user/pass...
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| 17:20 | <johnny> Lns, ah.. if you have local apps..
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| 17:20 | <Lns> fudoreaper: your login gui is LDM which is run on the client, and authenticates to the server via ssh to get your user session (on the server)
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| 17:21 | johnny: and possibly localdev stuff too maybe..?
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| 17:22 | <fudoreaper> Lns, okay, that makes sense
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| 17:22 | why isn't it working?
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| 17:22 | :P
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| 17:22 | i just created a user with 'sudo adduser' on the server (not chrooted)
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| 17:23 | <Lns> is it adduser or useradd that doesn't create a homedir...?
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| 17:23 | fudoreaper: check to make sure you have a homedir for your user
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| 17:23 | <fudoreaper> yeah, i have a /home/bhs
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| 17:23 | adduser is the wizard
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| 17:24 | useradd makes you specify that stuff
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| 17:24 | <Lns> fudoreaper: after you ltsp-update-image you rebooted the client right?
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| 17:24 | <fudoreaper> Xsession: X session started for bhs at Tue Feb 16 17:13:11 CST 2010
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| 17:24 | Xsession: warning: xrdb command not found; X resources not merged.
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| 17:24 | Xsession: unable to start X session --- no "/home/bhs/.xsession" file, no
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| 17:24 | "/home/bhs/.Xsession" file, no session managers, no window managers, and no
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| 17:24 | terminal emulators found; aborting.
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| 17:25 | yes, i rebooted the client
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| 17:25 | actually, it TOLD me that
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| 17:25 | and rebooted
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| 17:25 | heh
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| 17:25 | this is a snippet from /home/bhs/.xsession-errors
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| 17:25 | <johnny> what OS is this?
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| 17:25 | <fudoreaper> it is true, there is no .xsession file, or .Xsession
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| 17:26 | johnny: Ubuntu 9.10
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| 17:26 | <johnny> do you not have gnome/kde/something installed?
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| 17:26 | <fudoreaper> johnny: uh... possibly?
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| 17:26 | this is a server, so
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| 17:26 | i haven't installed any gui stuff
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| 17:26 | <Lns> fudoreaper: you need to have a desktop environment installed on the server weather you use it *on* the server or not
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| 17:26 | <fudoreaper> just LTSP packages
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| 17:26 | hahah
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| 17:26 | okay
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| 17:26 | <Lns> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
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| 17:27 | <fudoreaper> so, apt-get install
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| 17:27 | okay
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| 17:27 | <Lns> ;)
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| 17:27 | * Lns sees fudoreaper's brain getting bigger by the minute | |
| 17:29 | <fudoreaper> ha ha
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| 17:29 | well that's pretty funny
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| 17:30 | i'm installing it now
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| 17:30 | will i have to copy a .xauthority file, or will that be automatic?
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| 17:30 | and, the server is AMD64... will that be a problem?
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| 17:30 | <Lns> fudoreaper: you should be golden after the install
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| 17:30 | <fudoreaper> i guess not, cause it's executing server side
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| 17:30 | <Lns> nah, maybe just with flash
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| 17:30 | <fudoreaper> oh flash
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| 17:31 | i hate it
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| 17:31 | but even our school website depends on it
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| 17:31 | :(
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| 17:31 | <Lns> yeah..join the club ;)
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| 17:34 | flash should work fine really with the newer versions..just still a complete resource hog
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| 17:36 | <fudoreaper> right
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| 17:42 | <Lns> the world needs an OSS answer to flash/silverlight..and not gnash (or anything else that tries to *be* flash)
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| 17:48 | <johnny> Lns, well. silverlight is open ..
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| 17:48 | mostly anyways
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| 17:49 | Lns, the part that won't be open.. is the drm
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| 17:49 | which is not something OSS can truly provide an answer to..
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| 17:49 | <Lns> johnny: is it really?
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| 17:49 | <johnny> thus the problem isn't in the software, but content providers
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| 17:49 | Lns, sure.. the spec is open, and there is a free implementation via moonlight
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| 17:50 | <Lns> is it open source?
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| 17:50 | <johnny> Lns, but really.. we're moving in that direction via html5 and canvas
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| 17:50 | moonlight is
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| 17:50 | <Lns> but we're still chasing someone's tail as far as updates/upgrades right...?
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| 17:50 | * Lns googles html5 canvas | |
| 17:50 | <johnny> not as much as flash is
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| 17:51 | Lns, also.. theora/vorbis for audio/video is already feasible in newer browsers
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| 17:51 | the real problem is google using x264
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| 17:51 | for html5 video for youtube
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| 17:51 | <Lns> right but i meant besides the video tag
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| 17:51 | that's a whole other deal it seems..
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| 17:51 | <johnny> sure.. canvas will let you do stuff like you can do in flash
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| 17:51 | <Lns> at least as far as html5 is concerned
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| 17:51 | <johnny> altho the apis aren't as well developed
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| 17:51 | and it's still a bit too slow
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| 17:51 | <Lns> gotta start somewhere!
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| 17:51 | <johnny> but people have written games in them
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| 17:52 | i even saw a partial wolfenstein3d clone
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| 17:52 | Lns, part of the problem is the spec might be too open..
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| 17:52 | <johnny> thus opened up for too many people to stop soemthing from being good enough from getting out..
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| 17:52 | and the perfect never comes
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| 17:52 | thus the chasing..
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| 17:53 | <Lns> perfect never comes, period
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| 17:53 | we know this from flash ;)
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| 17:53 | <johnny> the real problem is social imo
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| 17:53 | <Lns> well that's much better than technical problems..at least we can solve that in an open manner
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| 17:53 | <johnny> and.. we've often been hampered by stuff sticking around for too long..
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| 17:54 | because of peope using old browsers and other software in their quest for "stability"
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| 17:54 | so.. you're part of the problem too :)
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| 17:55 | <Lns> so sue me for not wanting to reboot a linux server daily ;)
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| 17:55 | <johnny> Lns, but now that more apps arei n the browser
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| 17:55 | people like you can't stop the evolution
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| 17:55 | only thing stopping that is the browser version itself :)
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| 17:56 | <Lns> i'm far from wanting to stop technological evolution johnny.. but in the context of having a fruitful technology platform for thousands of students, I will go for stability over bleeding edge (and unstable) software. I'll wait to catch up with the newest stuff when everyone else has hammered the crap out of it and fixed all the bugs. :)
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| 17:57 | in the meantime i'm happy to TEST the latest and greatest and report bugs/etc
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| 17:57 | <johnny> that seems not to be working too well for ubuntu
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| 17:57 | imo at least..
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| 17:57 | <Lns> why do you say that?
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| 17:57 | <johnny> bugs stick around too long that affect tons of people
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| 17:58 | big regressions, etc
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| 17:58 | that don't get fixed during the cycle
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| 17:58 | because X or Y component can't be changed
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| 17:58 | because it's "stable"
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| 17:59 | <johnny> anyways.. it'll be a big longer before it's safe to stay more up to date tho
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| 17:59 | so.. it's not like we can always do latest and greatest now ..
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| 17:59 | i guess i see the problem as finding the right balance
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| 17:59 | and the stack itself still has growing pains causing some of those issues
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| 17:59 | <Lns> imho, stability, like security, is a process, not a product
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| 17:59 | <johnny> so it's not like i'm blaming ubuntu..
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| 18:00 | completely anyways
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| 18:00 | it's just a good example of the right balance not being found yet
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| 18:00 | <Lns> there have been a lot of growing pains in the FOSS world in the past few years, FF 3.x, LTSP5, etc...that affect us all
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| 18:01 | <johnny> thos are minimal imo
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| 18:01 | <Lns> =p
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| 18:01 | <johnny> a big example i can think of is when hal stuff started happening
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| 18:01 | or that intel gfx card issue
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| 18:01 | <fudoreaper> oh Lns, things are working great now
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| 18:01 | amazingly fast
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| 18:01 | i'm impressed, actually
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| 18:01 | i can't even tell it's not local
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| 18:02 | <kebax> well I can
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| 18:03 | although I'm runnin pixie inside virtualöbox wlan away from the ltsp
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| 18:03 | <Lns> fudoreaper: =) That's the beauty of ltsp =)
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| 18:03 | johnny: agreed
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| 18:03 | kebax: haha! nice.
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| 18:04 | <kebax> =)
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| 18:04 | <johnny> Lns, and then in other areas.. we have things holding us back
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| 18:04 | like lack of free drivers with 3d..
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| 18:04 | <Lns> well that's a hardware manufacturer holdback
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| 18:04 | <johnny> at least nouveau is going to have some 3d in fedora13
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| 18:05 | <Lns> seems that wherever there is profit to be made from software alone,there are problems in the OSS world
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| 18:05 | we don't think in that context (for the most part)
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| 18:05 | <fudoreaper> Lns, i have some problem
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| 18:05 | ltsp-client wants to install
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| 18:05 | but is broken..
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| 18:05 | The following packages have unmet dependencies:
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| 18:05 | ltsp-client: Depends: ltsp-client-core but it is not going to be installed
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| 18:05 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
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| 18:06 | sound works
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| 18:06 | video playback works
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| 18:06 | incredible
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| 18:06 | do i need ltsp-client installed, or...
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| 18:06 | <johnny> you're not trying to install that on the server areyou?
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| 18:06 | <Lns> fudoreaper: that should only be installed in the chroot i believe
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| 18:06 | <fudoreaper> it says i should not install it on a regular machine...
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| 18:06 | <johnny> truly
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| 18:06 | so don't do it
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| 18:06 | <fudoreaper> johnny, i'm not trying... it seemed to come automatically
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| 18:06 | as i was installing gstreamer codecs with aptitude
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| 18:07 | <Lns> you borked it! =p
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| 18:07 | <johnny> weird
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| 18:08 | you don't want ltsp-client-* anything on the server
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| 18:08 | <fudoreaper> okay
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| 18:08 | purged
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| 18:08 | no problems
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| 18:08 | man, 50 mbit of traffic for streaming vid
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| 18:09 | <johnny> that's why some people run local apps
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| 18:09 | that and server cpu usage..
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| 19:07 | <kebax> ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/xterm is pretty interesting
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| 19:14 | <kebax> =)22:10 < pscheie> kebax, the Revolution Linux folks have taken netbooks, put a kernel, small X, and nxclient on them which then connect to the ltsp server, achieving a similar effect.
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| 19:14 | 22:11 < pscheie> over wireless
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| 19:15 | er, wrong window, sorry =)
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| 19:24 | <mgariepy> good evening everyone
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| 19:26 | <stgraber> hey mgariepy
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| 19:26 | long time no see ! :)
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| 19:28 | <mgariepy> yeah it's been an hour and a half :P
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| 19:34 | <fudoreaper> johnny
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| 19:34 | local apps? you can do that?
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| 19:34 | like have a hybrid?
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| 19:34 | <johnny> yes
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| 19:34 | you install the apps in the chroot
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| 19:34 | <fudoreaper> i was just playing around, right?
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| 19:34 | <johnny> but you need to have a decently powerful lclient..
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| 19:34 | <fudoreaper> on different lab machines
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| 19:35 | flash was *rough*
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| 19:35 | i should say: painfully slow
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| 19:35 | <johnny> flash is one of the biggest reasons
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| 19:35 | <johnny> but you should probably have at least 256mb ram in the client
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| 19:35 | <fudoreaper> everything else we tried performed fine
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| 19:35 | <johnny> before trying
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| 19:35 | yes.. flash sucks on linux.. and even worse over ltsp
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| 19:35 | <fudoreaper> even full-screen video
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| 19:35 | <johnny> blame adobe..
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| 19:35 | <fudoreaper> oh, i do, man, i do
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| 19:35 | blame adobe
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| 19:36 | but yeah, some of the clients
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| 19:36 | <johnny> so.. yes.. it's common to install firefox+flash locally
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| 19:36 | if you have enough ram to make it usable
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| 19:36 | <fudoreaper> live 2GHz 1.5 GB
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| 19:36 | <johnny> sure..
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| 19:36 | <fudoreaper> so you would install the software on the chroot
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| 19:36 | <johnny> jusyes
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| 19:36 | yes*
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| 19:36 | <fudoreaper> and then it would be loaded over... whatever network I/O i have going on
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| 19:36 | <johnny> and then there are some lts.conf options you set to make it use the local ones vs remotes
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| 19:36 | and it dynamically rewrites the .desktop files
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| 19:37 | <fudoreaper> even flash is running in a 32 bit wrapper, on the server
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| 19:37 | man flash sucks
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| 19:37 | but yes, this LSTP is pretty amazing
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| 19:37 | once you figure it out
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| 19:37 | :P
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| 19:37 | <johnny> so.. yeah.. you might wanna do the local apps thing
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| 19:37 | <fudoreaper> but you guys have been a huge help
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| 19:38 | <johnny> and you can also do fat clients..
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| 19:38 | with some apps remote too
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| 19:38 | but that's not in a released version on a distro yet
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| 19:38 | <fudoreaper> hey is all the server-client communication in an SSH tunnel?
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| 19:38 | <johnny> yes
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| 19:38 | <fudoreaper> wow
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| 19:38 | <johnny> you can set LDM_DIRECTX=Y
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| 19:38 | <fudoreaper> isn't that CPU-expensive?
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| 19:38 | <johnny> if you wanna try it without
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| 19:38 | sure.. but it's for security..
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| 19:38 | <fudoreaper> well, heh
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| 19:38 | right
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| 19:39 | <johnny> so.. if you don't need it.. yo ucan get better performance with LDM_DIRECTX=Y
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| 19:39 | <fudoreaper> yeah, essentially i don't think we have anyone listening on the network
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| 19:39 | <johnny> well give it a try
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| 19:39 | <fudoreaper> i will
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| 19:39 | but man, it's 19:30 here
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| 19:39 | i officially get off at 16:00
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| 19:40 | hey also
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| 19:40 | i found that the fancy video effects resulted in a lot of bad video rendering
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| 19:40 | even to the point that some things don't appear
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| 19:41 | <johnny> well try with DIRECTX and whatnot
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| 19:41 | and disabling destkop effects
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| 19:41 | <fudoreaper> right, disabling worked great
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| 19:41 | but how could i make that the default?
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| 19:42 | oh and my plan is to try to link the server to the active directory domain
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| 19:42 | so that the AD users are now LTSP users
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| 19:43 | <johnny> it's possible.. but i don't know anything about it
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| 19:43 | <fudoreaper> yeah, i've been playing with it a bit
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| 19:43 | i feel confident it's possible
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| 19:44 | <Gadi_eeepc> fudoreaper: you may find this to be a good reference: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 19:45 | it has links like: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ActiveDirectoryIntegration
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| 19:45 | <fudoreaper> Gadi_eeepc, i've seen it.
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| 19:45 | ooooh
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| 19:45 | good
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| 19:45 | i will look tomorrow
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| 19:45 | i didn't notice that link
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| 20:02 | <wuffi600> hello.
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| 20:06 | what ways are there to run ltsp performance clustered? (I've read http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ltsp-omr4-1.html , are there other ways?)
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| 20:09 | <johnny> !ltsp-cluster
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| 20:09 | <ltspbot> johnny: Error: "ltsp-cluster" is not a valid command.
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| 20:09 | <johnny> err guess not
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| 20:09 | there's some ltsp cluster thing , but it is currently only packaged for ubuntu
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| 20:09 | it's on the ubuntu wiki
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| 20:09 | i don't know much about it tho
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| 20:12 | <wuffi600> I guess the graphical output show on a client-maschine is transport via X, right? Are there ways to replace it by something else (with the ability to reconnect, lower bandwidth, ...), e.g. neatx, nx, ...
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| 20:26 | <stgraber> https://www.ltsp-cluster.org
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| 20:26 | we should make an alias
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| 20:26 | sbalneav: ^ !ltsp-cluster should point to https://www.ltsp-cluster.org
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| 20:28 | <johnny> why it is a seperate page stgraber ?
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| 20:29 | shouldn't it be all itnegrated into ltsp.org ?
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| 20:30 | <stgraber> johnny: we got a funding to work on a project website for ltsp-cluster. For now it's separate but we'd love to use that as a base for ltsp.org at some point and merge the two.
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> stgraber: on second thought, i'm totally fine with incrementing ltspfs and ldm's ... i.e. ltspfs 0.6.x and ldm 2.1.x
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| 22:22 | we just did some fairly significant changes to ltspfs ... and ldm's certainly seen some significant changes since 2.0.0 :)
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| 22:23 | <stgraber> great, that'll make a good reference point then
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> it'll be easier to see strange things out of sync. that's a good enough reason.
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| 22:24 | while i'd prefer to maintain compatibility, and not have hard versioned dependencies... it's sometimes good to see that everything is "in sync" in case we missed something.
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| 22:36 | initial testing... no sound :(
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| 22:37 | though doesn't seem like ltsp's fault ... no sound modules.
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| 22:38 | <mgariepy> gnite everyone
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| 22:56 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 22:57 | the changes to ltsp-update-image make it harder to switch between NFS and ltsp_nbd
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| 23:00 | i suppose there's commandline flags to avoid that ...
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| 23:07 | <vagrantc> well, cdrom mount is getting treated as a usbdevice...
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| 23:09 | <vagrantc> nevermind. sound works fine.
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| 23:13 | <vagrantc> ltspfs is a little wonky ...
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| 23:14 | but no idea if it's any worse than it was.
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| 23:14 | ldm seems to be working...
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| 23:19 | stgraber: nbd-proxy is working!
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| 23:23 | other than ltspfs seeming a little wonky, everything's working ok. which is no regression in debian/testing...
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| 23:23 | * vagrantc tries the backports features... | |
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