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Channel log from 3 April 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:50 | <sahil> dberkholz: are you integrating ltsp 5 into gentoo?
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| 02:03 | <dberkholz> sahil: that's the plan, haven't had time to work on it for a while now... hoping to find time this quarter
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| 02:03 | <sahil> dberkholz: i would like to join the quest if possible
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| 02:04 | i have nothing but time
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| 02:04 | <dberkholz> sahil: try porting the init scripts to gentoo
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| 02:04 | http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/ltsp.txt is a place to start
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| 02:04 | <sahil> dberkholz: ha thats exactly what i was looking for
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| 02:05 | is there any other information you can supply me or is that what you got?
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| 02:05 | <dberkholz> the init scripts for debian/ubuntu are in a debian/ directory in the ltsp-mainline repo, details on getting it are in that file
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| 02:05 | there are 2, both need to get ported over
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| 02:06 | <sahil> looks like i have a lot to learn tonight
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| 02:06 | <dberkholz> the Gentoo/ directory contains some preliminary work on plugins for ltsp-build-client, that's what i've been personally working on
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| 02:06 | (in ~dberkholz/ltsp/ )
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| 02:06 | <sahil> i don't need pwd or anything to grab it?
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| 02:06 | <dberkholz> i really want to find time to work on it but i've been doing a ton of writing
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| 02:07 | sahil: hm?
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| 02:07 | <sahil> nm
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| 02:07 | are you familiar with the mille-xterm project?
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| 02:07 | <dberkholz> you get the ltsp-mainline repo anonymous using bzr, and you can just wget any of my stuff from dev.gentoo.org that you want
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| 02:07 | nope
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| 02:08 | <sahil> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9097
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| 02:08 | <dberkholz> don't have time to read it atm
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| 02:08 | <sahil> ha well good luck with your writing thanks for pointing me in the right direction
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| 03:42 | <yanu> ldm works, but when i log in, i get ldm back, no gnome? someone a clue or url?
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| 03:44 | <ogra> yanu, did you change the IP since you installed ?
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| 03:45 | <yanu> of the server, thats possible
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| 03:45 | <ogra> if so, run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 03:45 | ldm needs the right keys in place ... else it wont connect
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| 03:46 | and make sure your ssh server is running
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| 03:46 | <yanu> do i need to restart the terminal?
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| 03:46 | there is no output when i run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys, is that normal?
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| 03:48 | <ogra> yes
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| 03:48 | try logging in again
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| 03:49 | <yanu> hmm, openssh-server wasn't installed
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| 03:49 | <ogra> ah, what distro is that ?
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| 03:49 | <yanu> why isn't this picked up with dependencys?
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| 03:49 | feisty
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| 03:50 | <yanu> now it's ok
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| 03:50 | <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache show ltsp-server|grep Recommends
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| 03:50 | Recommends: openssh-server | ssh, ltspfs
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| 03:50 | ;)
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| 03:51 | <ogra> you *can* run it without ssh (not that you should) so its only a recommends
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| 03:51 | <yanu> hmm, same here, ach, ok, i'll write it down
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| 03:54 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices <- in case you want to use local devices...
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| 03:54 | <yanu> ogra: thx allot !
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| 03:54 | <ogra> and there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 03:57 | <yanu> i did ltsp-update-sshkeys before you said it, maybe this problem can be eliminated, with an output "openssh-server" isn't installed" ??
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| 03:59 | <ogra> well, i'm planning a rewrite of the login manager, speedier and with a lot more verbosity so you will get some hints in the future
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| 04:00 | <yanu> nice :)
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| 04:00 | now, i see X is running on the server (gdm), but i don't want that
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| 04:01 | where can i stop this, when booting
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| 04:01 | <ogra> remove gdm ;) or use the gui tool to switch it off
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| 04:03 | <yanu> if i remove gdm, then gnome will also be removed, my card is not nicely configured, i just see a lot of bars on the screen :)
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| 04:03 | i can remove gdm from the startup-dir, rc2.d ?
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| 04:04 | <ogra> you can remove gdm without removing anything but ubuntu-desktop
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| 04:05 | <yanu> indeed, no problem to remove ubuntu-desktop?
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| 04:05 | <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get remove gdm
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| 04:05 | The following packages will be REMOVED:
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| 04:05 | edubuntu-artwork edubuntu-desktop gdm
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| 04:05 | well, its a bit differenmt in edubuntu ... but you can just remove it, dont worry
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| 04:06 | its easier than fiddling with the rc2 symlinks
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| 04:06 | <yanu> it's done
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| 04:06 | <ogra> if you want it back, just install ubuntu-desktop again :)
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| 04:06 | <yanu> i don't want it on the server, i like to save some ram for the clients
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| 04:07 | <ogra> yup, understandable
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| 05:20 | * ogra dances ... ldm starts up in 8secs here \o/ | |
| 05:23 | <cliebow> WHoa
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| 05:24 | <ogra> cliebow, see my last comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/97456
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| 05:24 | <cliebow> yes
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| 05:25 | <ogra> now i just have to shuffle the package selection a bit to not install these and we're back to bearable boot times
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| 05:26 | <cliebow> ill try after breakfast
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| 05:29 | gotta get my better half off to work
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| 06:32 | <jammcq> ogra: hmm, can't wait to get to the office and test the latest mods
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| 06:32 | assuming that fixes things, we'll just need to figure out why it takes a full 3 minutes to even get to the LDM stage
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| 06:32 | <ogra> jammcq, well, we might get probs with xdmcp if the fonts are missing, not sure
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| 06:33 | but it works fine in ldm
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| 06:33 | <jammcq> I'll test that too
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| 06:33 | <blinky_ghost> hi, does ldm support autologin?
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| 06:33 | <ogra> due to the X proxy we dont need fonts on the client it seems
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| 06:33 | blinky_ghost, not yet, no
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| 06:34 | <jammcq> ogra: it's not so much teh X proxy. it's the fact that most every X client is now using client-rendered fonts now
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| 06:34 | <ogra> ah, cool, so that could save xdmcp as well
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| 06:34 | <jammcq> only the old progs, like xterm, xclock and probably xdm use it. GDM should be fine
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| 06:35 | I'll test it within the hour
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| 06:35 | <ogra> well, and these use fixed by default anyway
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| 06:35 | <jammcq> true dat
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| 06:35 | <ogra> xfonts-base is still installed
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| 06:35 | so function should be guaranteed
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| 06:36 | <jammcq> was ldm going out and taking inventory of all available fonts?
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| 06:36 | <ogra> gtk was
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| 06:36 | <jammcq> how is Debian's LTSP not affected? do they not install those fonts?
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| 06:36 | <ogra> i just straced the C greeter and saw all these fonts rushing by
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| 06:37 | * jammcq goes to look | |
| 06:37 | <ogra> i guess they do install less fonts by default
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| 06:37 | also they have a different metapackage for X in etch iirc
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| 06:37 | our xorg package just installs all available fonts ... which is fine for a standalone desktop
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| 06:37 | <jammcq> actually, they install them all
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| 06:38 | xfongs-75dpi AND 100dpi
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| 06:38 | so, it's conceivable there's still more slowness we could squeeze out
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| 06:39 | just checked both debian and ubuntu ltsp-5
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| 06:39 | ubuntu installs 5 more font packages than debian
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| 06:39 | I'll provide the diff in a minute
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| 06:39 | maybe there's more we could remove from ubuntu
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| 06:39 | and still have success
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| 06:42 | > console-setup
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| 06:42 | > console-terminus
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| 06:42 | > console-tools
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| 06:42 | 13a17
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| 06:42 | > xfontsel
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| 06:42 | 16a21
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| 06:42 | > xlsfonts
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| 06:42 | forget about xfontsel
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| 06:42 | and console-tools
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| 06:42 | and possibly the other console-* packages
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| 06:42 | the only difference would then be xlsfonts
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| 06:43 | <ogra> eek
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| 06:43 | no
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| 06:43 | console-setup and the console fonts are needed
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| 06:44 | <jammcq> yeah, but not used by X
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| 06:44 | <ogra> right
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| 06:44 | <jammcq> so removing them wouldn't help
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| 06:44 | <ogra> and not scanned by X
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| 06:44 | right
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| 06:44 | <jammcq> so, the only difference in fonts between debian and ubuntu ltsp-5 is the xlsfonts package
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| 06:44 | <ogra> and we would loose all the localization i just implemented
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| 06:45 | <jammcq> seems to me if we remove the 75dpi and 100dpi fonts on debian, it would make that even faster
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| 06:45 | which makes me think there's still other things making LDM slow on ubuntu, besides the fonts
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| 06:45 | <ogra> there is no difference in the code
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| 06:45 | * jammcq needs to search for some NFS profiling tools | |
| 06:46 | * jammcq needs to eat breakfast and head to the office | |
| 06:46 | <ogra> btw, i see the high rsize and wsize values here as well, but all other options are differnt
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| 06:46 | i.e. like initramfs defines them
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| 06:47 | <jammcq> I sure don't understand those high values
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| 06:47 | <jammcq> 1/4 mb of ram for each
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| 06:47 | <ogra> xlsfonts is a extremely small split out program that was in xbase-clients before ... its installed in debian as well, just not as separate package
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| 06:47 | <jammcq> ah
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| 06:48 | so prolly nothing would be gained
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| 06:48 | <ogra> nope
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| 06:48 | but i'm happy for now
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| 06:48 | <jammcq> I'm sure it's a huge improvement
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| 06:48 | <ogra> i'm doing some chroot testbuilds today, if they all are fine, i'm fie to release as is
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| 06:49 | <jammcq> and i'm confident that for Feisty+1 we can make an even bigger improvement
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| 06:49 | <ogra> (thursday is final freeze)
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| 06:49 | <jammcq> :)
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| 06:49 | <ogra> yeah
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| 06:49 | <jammcq> just in the nick of time
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| 06:49 | <ogra> well, that was really a matter of luck
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| 06:50 | if i wouldnt have worked on the C greeter (which i actually shouldnt do at the moment, there is enough release crap ....)
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| 06:50 | and if that wouldnt have crashed ....
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| 06:50 | <jammcq> good ole strace
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| 06:50 | <ogra> i'm searching for the slowness since pre-edgy
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| 06:50 | so it was really luck
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| 06:51 | <jammcq> very handy tool to have in your toolbox
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| 06:51 | <ogra> yeah
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| 06:51 | meh ... module-init-tools is broken it seems ... cant build chroots
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| 06:51 | grmbl
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| 06:52 | <jammcq> bummer
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| 06:55 | ok, heading out. see ya'll in a bit
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| 07:20 | <cliebow_> ogra: i get exec format error running that
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| 07:21 | but for ppc only..guess i know that answer
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| 07:23 | <fgsdfgxcv> morning
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| 07:24 | <FuL|OUT> what was the page for the grey X ?
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| 07:24 | still have the same issues
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| 07:24 | <cliebow_> !grayscreen
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| 07:24 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: "grayscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM
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| 07:26 | <ogra> cliebow_, yeah, you need to do it on an nfs rw mount from a client
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| 07:26 | <cliebow_> k
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| 07:27 | <ogra> the x86 kernel cant exec ppc binaries
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| 07:28 | <FuL|OUT> humm
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| 07:28 | <cliebow_> heh i gather that fairly quickly
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| 07:28 | <FuL|OUT> anyway to debug ?
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| 07:28 | i have all options there
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| 07:28 | on that page
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| 07:30 | humm
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| 07:30 | weird
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| 07:30 | now it's working
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| 07:30 | if i reboot the client
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| 07:30 | it will stay the same
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| 07:53 | <jammcq> ogra: ping
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| 07:54 | <ogra> jammcq, the 1220 boots in 63 secs here after your measuring method
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| 07:54 | with a freshly built chroot
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| 07:54 | <jammcq> power-on to LDM prompt ?
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| 07:54 | <ogra> yes
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| 07:54 | <jammcq> sweet
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| 07:55 | <ogra> i didnt know my ipod has a stopwatch ...
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| 07:55 | and i didnt know my mobile hasnt :)
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| 07:55 | <jammcq> i'm trying to remove xfonts-75dpi and xfongs-100dpi, and apt-get wants to also remove xorg
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| 07:55 | <ogra> thats fine
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| 07:55 | its only a metapackage
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| 07:56 | <jammcq> ok
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| 07:56 | <ogra> i already made the change to the source here ... works as expected just lots faster :)
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| 07:56 | and found two new bugs i'm just working on
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| 07:56 | ... one done ...
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| 07:57 | now to make sure all the localdev doesnt start over and over on every new login and your yaboot patch and i should be done
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| 08:05 | <dem> did you buys try to figure out what takes all that time with bootchart?
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| 08:08 | <cliebow_> on my old compaq laptp..90 seconds overall..30 seconds is post
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| 08:08 | to a login
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| 08:17 | <dem> ogra, jim: is there anyway we can split the ltsp keys server magic from the ltsp-server package
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| 08:17 | <ogra> why would you do that ?
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| 08:18 | its a n integrated whole ...
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| 08:18 | <dem> because my tftp server & nfs, and dhcp each are on totaly seprate boxes from the machines that applications run on
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| 08:19 | <ogra> well, you dont need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys ... you cna populate the keys manually if you want
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| 08:19 | <cliebow_> God this gnome settings daemon crap..
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| 08:19 | <ogra> i agree that the command could use a --server option for that
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| 08:20 | <dem> yeah, but then it could be done automaticaly
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| 08:20 | <ogra> so you could define additional servers
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| 08:21 | automatically means to me that something works out of the box
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| 08:21 | <dem> true
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| 08:21 | <ogra> what you are doing is something that requires manual intervention anyway ...
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| 08:22 | so adding options to the manual tools should be the right way, splitting out a separate package fro ~20 lines of shellscript is a bit overkill :)
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| 08:22 | * ogra gets some food | |
| 08:24 | <dem> ogra: it's the debian way :)
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| 08:38 | <FuL|OUT> Xlib: connection to "ws001.internal.redvo.com:0.0" refused by server
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| 08:38 | why is this happening ?
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| 08:38 | sometimes it works
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| 08:38 | others doesn't
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| 08:58 | <cliebow_> ogra:start to finish on ppc ibook g4 90 seconds overall...30 secinds is post..
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| 08:59 | so shaved almost 60 seconds in my book
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| 08:59 | <ogra> yay
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| 08:59 | <cliebow_> yay!
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| 08:59 | <ogra> 9 is still to much though, but it should also *feel* a lot faster
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| 08:59 | <jammcq> ogra: it appears we're down from 4:45 to 3:35
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| 08:59 | <ogra> *90
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| 08:59 | jammcq, got times for ldm only ?
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> yep
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| 09:00 | <ogra> before vs after `
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| 09:00 | ?
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> 48 seconds
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| 09:00 | <cliebow_> biggest ppc problem is mouse is wicked slow
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| 09:00 | <ogra> 48secs only for ldm ?
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> click the log-out button, and it takes 48 seconds for the login prompt to re-appear
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| 09:00 | <ogra> i meant from showing the X to having a login screen
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> I'll check that
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| 09:00 | <ogra> on the 2300 ?
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> yep
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| 09:01 | <ogra> ah, ok
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| 09:02 | <irule> carlos I installed a SCSI driver on a server, made it work and all was great, then my boss asks me, how can linux read the SCSI drive if its driver is ON the actual SCSI drive that will be read? wtf? can someone shed some light? thanks
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| 09:03 | * jammcq wonders if irule is in the right channel | |
| 09:03 | <neuralis> irule: initramfs
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| 09:03 | jammcq: morning
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> neuralis: howdie
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| 09:04 | <irule> jammcq I come here because I am aware that you guys have worked a lot on kernel
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| 09:04 | <jammcq> heh, ok
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| 09:07 | <neuralis> jammcq turns into a dangerous kernel hacker at night
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| 09:07 | true story. i've seen it happen.
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| 09:07 | * jammcq scares himself some times | |
| 09:08 | <FuL|OUT> manage to get the login workin' but it stays suck... or should i leave it.. to try to login ?
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| 09:09 | <vanya> irule, I think BIOS loads GRUB, and GRUB loads kernel using BIOS call. Then Linux kernel has SCSI support compiled in or on initramfs
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| 09:10 | <ogra> that still requires the initramfs to me elsewhere though
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| 09:10 | s/me/be
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| 09:11 | <ogra> you /boot partition should be on a device the BIOS can access
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> ogra: 42 seconds between X appearing, and login being ready
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| 09:12 | <ogra> meh
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| 09:12 | i'd have expected more
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| 09:20 | <dem> grube has a stage one and stage2 boot loader
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| 09:20 | grub even
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| 09:21 | and then stage 1.5
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| 09:21 | stage 1.5 is "drivers" for diffrent filesystems so it can find and get the kernel & initramfs
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| 09:22 | <ogra> ah, right
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| 09:22 | i forgot about that
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| 09:28 | <jammcq> ogra: here's an interesting network observation:
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| 09:29 | Ubuntu boots in 215 seconds and transfers 61mb
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| 09:29 | Debian boots in 118 seconds and transfers 55mb
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| 09:29 | <ogra> hmm
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:29 | <ogra> i dont think its the 6M ... i think the crux is *which* 6M that are
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> watching iptraf for eth0, which only has the client connected, the throughput rarely goes above 2mb/sec for ubuntu
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| 09:30 | <ogra> well, on the 2300 it might have an impact to use the 6M
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> for Debian, I see spikes of more than 14mbit/sec
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| 09:30 | it's NOT the 6mb
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| 09:30 | <ogra> roght
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> it's the mb/sec that i'm worried about
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| 09:30 | <ogra> right even
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> roight
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| 09:30 | <ogra> *g*
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| 09:31 | well, i'm done with the final package for now and ready to upload ... if you have anything i should urgently add please ping today
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| 09:31 | <jammcq> ok
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| 09:31 | <dem> fisty package?
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> i'm already thinking more of feisty+1 or possibly a bug fix after release, if its small
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| 09:32 | <ogra> thursday is final freeze and my sweatheart has b-day tomorrow ...
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> suzie ?
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| 09:32 | <ogra> well, indeed
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> !s
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| 09:32 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:32 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> forgot to do that when scotty signed on. too busy :)
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| 09:32 | <ogra> but feisty will be around for 6 months, so if there is anything ... ping me
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> yep
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> hey hey hi there
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| 09:34 | <ogra> !s
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| 09:34 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:34 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:34 | sbalneav, i got ldm down to 8 seconds here on my t-1220
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> ogra: Didn't get a chance to dig into ldm last night, as LaserJock and I were finishing off the handbook last night.
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| 09:34 | ah, what was the issue?
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| 09:34 | <ogra> sbalneav, i found the prob
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| 09:35 | we load megabytes of unused fonts
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> This in the greeter?
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| 09:35 | Or in LDM itself?
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| 09:35 | <ogra> well, its X that loads them
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| 09:35 | <jammcq> oddly, debian still loads the same unused fonts, yet it's fast :)
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| 09:35 | <ogra> so the loading of X took ages ...
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| 09:36 | * jammcq is convinced this is an NFS performance issue | |
| 09:36 | <ogra> jammcq, well, but it was the cause for my 20sec delay that didnt change no matter what i did to the code
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| 09:36 | right, that as well
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| 09:36 | <jammcq> it was 20 secs, cuz NFS was slow
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> We notice the same slowness with ldm here. On edgy. There a quick fix?
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| 09:36 | <jammcq> if nfs was fast, the delay would also go away
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| 09:36 | <ogra> it was *always* 20 secs
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| 09:36 | even if i dropped all code inbetween
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| 09:37 | or added tons
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| 09:37 | thats the thig that bothered me since pre-edgy ...
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| 09:37 | especially because i always thought it was the greeters fault
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| 09:37 | whichit apparently wasnt
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| 09:37 | <jammcq> 20secs on a t1220 turns into 60 seconds on a e2300
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| 09:37 | <ogra> yep
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| 09:37 | <jammcq> which is huge
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| 09:37 | <ogra> i know
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> So, this is boiling down to an NFS problem?
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| 09:38 | <ogra> but given that you showed me the HW after all freezes i find we did y good job until now :)
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| 09:38 | <jammcq> sbalneav: that's my theory
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| 09:38 | <ogra> s/y/a
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| 09:39 | <jammcq> ogra: i'm VERY happy with the improvements
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| 09:39 | <ogra> great :D
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| 09:39 | <joebaker> Ogra: I tested an Xubuntu Beta 4 cd last night at our local LUG meeting. The install failed to Built the LTSP chroot environment after some considerable time. This was the alternate install CD. Is there a log file on the system somewhere that I might send to you? Also the LILO configurator didn't give the option to install to SDA, rather since I'd created a MD (RAID one) device across two 40 Gig drives, then created an LVM Volume
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| 09:39 | <jammcq> it's more than I expected, this late in the game
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> So, we have a fix? What is it? c'mon C'MON Don't leave me in suspense!!! :)
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| 09:39 | <jammcq> sbalneav: remove some of the font packages
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| 09:39 | or better, don't install them to begin with
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> Which, in the chroot?
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| 09:40 | <jammcq> yep
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| 09:40 | <ogra> lilo -> please contact the kernel team, for the log: /var/log/installer/syslog is the ne that has all info about the ltsp build
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| 09:40 | <jammcq> xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi
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| 09:40 | <ogra> joebaker, ^^^
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| 09:40 | jammcq, and -scalable
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| 09:40 | <joebaker> thanks ogra
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| 09:40 | <jammcq> hmm, I didn't remove that one
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| 09:40 | <ogra> joebaker, i suspect xubuntu doesnt ship the -i386 kernel anymore
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| 09:41 | so it wont find that package on the CD
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| 09:41 | <SBNet> anyone awake?
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| 09:46 | <jammcq> ogra: saved another 2 seconds... wooot !!
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| 09:47 | <Lumiere> lol
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| 09:47 | <ogra> how that ?
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| 09:47 | <jammcq> i removed xfonts-scalable
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| 09:48 | now i'm checking to make sure xdmcp still works
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| 09:48 | * ogra just thinks jammcq's knuckles degrade slowly from all that stopwatch hitting | |
| 09:49 | <SBNet> is there a way to setup a boot image on a cd so that it boots and gets an ip and then loads ltsp, without the dhcp server having any of the image location information. I need to setup a boot cd so students can boot to ltsp without me having to make any changes to my dhcp server
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| 09:50 | <vagrantc> SBNet: you'd be better off providing a boot menu
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| 09:51 | SBNet: i.e. configure pxelinux.0 to boot the various different boot options ...
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| 09:51 | <jammcq> ogra: the good news is xdmcp still works :)
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| 09:51 | * vagrantc wonders if some thing sstart getting ugly without scalable fonts | |
| 09:51 | <ogra> and the bad ?
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| 09:51 | vagrantc, X apps
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| 09:51 | * Lumiere yawns | |
| 09:51 | <ogra> they will fall back to fixed
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| 09:52 | <jammcq> no bad
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| 09:52 | <ogra> yay
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| 09:52 | <SBNet> ok, well could someone help me with this, i have an ltsp server setup and running, just don't know what to do from there
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| 09:52 | <Lumiere> SBNet: set up clients to connect to it?
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| 09:52 | * ogra still helps hunting the chroot build breakage ... which is general ubuntu fuckup .... | |
| 09:54 | <jammcq> ogra: whiprush is telling me that UDS+1 will be in Boston
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| 09:54 | <SBNet> i need to setup a boot cd so that it connects to my ltsp server, without any changes to my nt4 dhcp server
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| 09:55 | <ogra> nice
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| 09:55 | i didnt know that
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> that will be GREAT for holding the next BTS in Maine
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| 09:55 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> fantastic !!!
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| 09:56 | <ogra> :D
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007
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| 09:56 | looks like Feisty+2 might be another LTS release
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| 09:56 | things are looking VERY good these days :)
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| 09:58 | <SBNet> well, i guess i'll have to figure this out on my own then
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| 09:59 | <ogra> that'd mean i have to get ltsp-manager ready .... i want it in the next LTS in any case
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| 09:59 | <jammcq> yes
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| 09:59 | <ogra> full gui support ftw
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| 09:59 | <jammcq> lets spec it for feisty+1
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| 09:59 | and +2 will be even better
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> SBNet: ah, you don't have control of your dhcp server ....
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| 09:59 | SBNet: that's a major pain.
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| 10:00 | <SBNet> i do, but it's a windows nt4 dhcp server and we aren't sure where to put the boot information, so we would like to use a boot cd that has the location of where the ltsp server is on it so it doesn't have to get it from the dhcp server
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| 10:00 | <vagrantc> SBNet: probably your best bet is to configure a CD to boot etherboot images, and use etherboot images configured to get dhcp on an alternate port ...
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> SBNet: Why don't you simply add another card to your LTSP server. You run a dhcp server on the LTSP server that only serves to that card, and hang the terminal switch off that.
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| 10:01 | <cliebow_> someone say Maine?
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> i.e. eth0 is your main network, eth1 is the LTSP terminal side, and the dhcp server that's on the LTSP server only listens to eth1
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| 10:02 | <SBNet> not possible, we don't know where on campus a student might be when they want to boot up a ltsp desktop
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| 10:02 | i know how to set it up that way, say thing as a router
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| 10:02 | but this is an experiment for a small group of students about 10
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| 10:03 | <vagrantc> SBNet: customized etherboot images on a CD is the way to go then.
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| 10:03 | <SBNet> ok, how would i go about that?
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| 10:03 | <vagrantc> !bootfloppy
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| 10:03 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 10:04 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP could probabyl help as well ?
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| 10:04 | <FuL|OUT> manage to get it working
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| 10:04 | <vagrantc> SBNet: i think that first site has a CD image, but you'll need to customize it
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| 10:04 | <FuL|OUT> but sometimes the stays in gray
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| 10:04 | <cliebow_> jammcq: looks like Feruary? that would be 2008?
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| 10:04 | <FuL|OUT> if i do a restart of xdm
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| 10:04 | it works
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| 10:04 | :|
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| 10:04 | <jammcq> cliebow_: no, Oct
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| 10:04 | Oct 28- nov 2
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| 10:04 | 2007
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| 10:04 | <vagrantc> SBNet: because those etherboot images use standard dhcp ...
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| 10:04 | <jammcq> cliebow_: PERFECT timing for us
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| 10:05 | <cliebow_> ah i see..wonder what that Feb 29 thinie is on ;launchpad/
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> i'm guessing it's just a stock icon
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| 10:05 | <cliebow_> Godfrey..that's a relief..i was worried everyone was going their seperate ways...
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> confusing tho
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| 10:06 | <cliebow_> you cant imagine what this group means to me
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> cliebow_: once we get the dates nailed down for BTS we'll contact David Lloyd
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> SBNet: the other option would be to put the kernel and initrd on the CD itself... which might actually be easier.
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| 10:06 | * cliebow_ cliebow's eyes tear up | |
| 10:06 | <vagrantc> SBNet: but then if you upgrade the kernel, you have to update the CDs too
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| 10:06 | <SBNet> what ever would be easiest
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| 10:07 | i don't think it will be upgraded
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| 10:07 | <vagrantc> SBNet: what you want is not anywhere near the realm of easiest :P
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| 10:07 | <SBNet> maybe once a year, durring the summer, when no one is at school
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| 10:07 | * ogra really thinks using the windows dhcp would be easiest | |
| 10:07 | * Lumiere really thinks blowing up the windows box would be easiest | |
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| 10:08 | <cliebow_> SBNet: windows dhcp works ok..excpet for ppc
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| 10:08 | <SBNet> if i had my way it would be linux, but we can't do that right now, i'm pushing for a pure linux server environment within 5 years, they just bought all new windows server 2003 boxes and just switched from nt4dom to ads
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> SBNet: Did you see the link that ogra pasted, for how to add the bits to your windows dhcp server?
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| 10:09 | <SBNet> no i just got it though
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| 10:11 | <SBNet> how do i make a temporary "ram" drive to load this image into so i can edit it's setting, sorry, no floppys on this campus at all, we removed them last year
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> Download the image, then do a "mount -t vfat -o loop floppy.img /mountpoint"
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| 10:13 | <SBNet> ok
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> Or, you could add the bits to your dhcp server
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| 10:15 | * dtrask thinks windows dhcp sucks | |
| 10:15 | <vagrantc> hmmm... xfonts-scalable is a dependency of the xorg metapackage ...
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| 10:15 | * dtrask agrees with Lumiere and will furnish the dynamite | |
| 10:16 | <SBNet> brb
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| 10:16 | <ogra> vagrantc, right
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> the easiest thing would be to skip LTSP and run a livecd, if that's really the environment...
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| 10:17 | <ogra> the 000-baseconfig list gets a tad longer
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> for 2 seconds? hm...
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| 10:17 | * ogra bzr pushes the last changes for vagrantc | |
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> ogra: actually, i want to move all the junk we have in 000-baseconfig into package dependencies
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| 10:18 | <ogra> vagrantc, its in my recent changes and its 20 seconds here
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| 10:18 | not 2
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| 10:18 | i wouldnt make fuss around 2 secs :)
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> ok, for 20 seconds, sure.
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| 10:18 | <dtrask> 2 secs! Wheee!
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| 10:18 | LOL
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| 10:19 | <ogra> apart from that jammcq found heavy differences in ubuntu vs debian nfs speed
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| 10:19 | <vagrantc> ogra: this goes with my master plan of ltsp-client-core :)
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| 10:19 | <ogra> yeah ...
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| 10:20 | <vagrantc> ogra: we put all the packages we want into ltsp-client as a dependency, and then split out the core functionality into ltsp-client-core
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| 10:20 | since etch is in a hard freeze, i should start working on new stuff again :)
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| 10:20 | <ogra> well, thats what the metapackage was thougt for initially ...
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| 10:20 | (ubuntu-thin-client ... should ahve had a debian-thing-client as well)
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| 10:21 | but i didnt make ay use of it yet and you dropped it ;)
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| 10:21 | s/ay/any/
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| 10:21 | <vagrantc> well, it was only a recommends...
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| 10:21 | <ogra> yeah its nonsense as is
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| 10:21 | <vagrantc> a recommends on something that didn't even exist :)
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| 10:22 | <ogra> but my plan was to have a ubuntu-thin-client-server and a ubuntu-thin-client metapackage at some point
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| 10:22 | where -server will depend on ssh and all the stuff we have in recommends for ltsp-server atm
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| 10:22 | <vagrantc> i'm amenable to that...
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| 10:22 | <ogra> so you only have to install a single package
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| 10:22 | <vagrantc> though why brand it with ubuntu?
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| 10:23 | <ogra> which could later even include the gui parts
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| 10:23 | because it was already branded :) i dont care, we can drop it
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| 10:23 | but that would also help the naming switch ltsp->thin client server
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 10:24 | then ltsp could be just one thin-client implementation amoung all the others :P
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| 10:24 | <ogra> so we still have ltsp packages ... but expose them to the user as thin-client-something
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc> i'm down with that
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| 10:25 | * dtrask raises glass | |
| 10:26 | <dtrask> me too
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| 10:26 | :-)
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| 10:26 | <ogra> the fonts stuff is in revision 512 btw ....
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> just so long as we call it Gnu/Ltsp/thinClient server
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| 10:27 | * dtrask has to get back to work...school would be great if it wasn't for the kids ;-) | |
| 10:27 | * ogra wants stallman_approved/Gnu/Ltsp/thinClient server | |
| 10:27 | <dtrask> LOL
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| 10:27 | cya
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| 10:27 | <ogra> ciao dtrask
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| 10:27 | bah ... to slow
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: after my hard drive failed, i haven't been keeping track of all the bzr branches ... have you updated mainline in a while?
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| 10:28 | <ogra> nope
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| 10:28 | will do soon ...
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> post feisty release, or before?
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| 10:28 | <ogra> currently i worked on feisty-ltsp
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| 10:28 | <ogra> i can do it before but not check for breakage
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| 10:28 | <SBNet> ok, i'm trying to mount this to ram0 and it taint working
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| 10:29 | <ogra> time is just to short ... and i was actually expecting to have a coworker already
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> SBNet: It might help us to know EXACTLY what commands you're trying to execute.
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| 10:30 | <SBNet> su -c "mount -t vfat -o loop eb_on_hd.ima /dev/ram0
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| 10:30 | <jammcq> why /dev/ram0 ?
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| 10:31 | <vagrantc> SBNet: what are you trying to do?
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| 10:31 | <jammcq> you do NOT need /dev/ram0
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| 10:31 | just give it a normal mount point, like /mnt
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| 10:31 | <SBNet> mount it to a ram location, since it won't actually be used, i only have one, cdrom!
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| 10:31 | lol
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> the '-o loop' will take care of doing the ram magic
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| 10:32 | <SBNet> ok
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Pass me my boxends, this wing won't fit on my F14
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> sbalneav: socket wrenches is what you need
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> Ah, that's my problem.
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| 10:33 | <SBNet> ok i got it
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| 10:34 | * ogra thought an adjustable monkey wrench would do better | |
| 10:34 | <SBNet> now where would i put the info to point to the ltsp server
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| 10:34 | <jammcq> ogra: left-handed adjustable monkey wrench
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| 10:34 | <ogra> lol
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| 10:34 | <jammcq> sbalneav: you don't
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| 10:34 | we get the info via dhcp
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| 10:35 | <joebaker> ogra: I don't think the problem is LILO's fault that I encountered yesterday. It would be the part of the installer that configure's lilo. What's the installer called?
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| 10:35 | <ogra> debian-installer
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| 10:35 | <joebaker> thanks
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| 10:36 | <ogra> you probably want to talk to cjwatson in #ubuntu-devel he was the d-i maintainer until recently
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| 10:39 | <SBNet> anyone know where i would put information to where the ltsp server and boot images would be?
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> SBNet: what distro are you running?
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| 10:40 | you'd need to put in in pxelinux.cfg/default on your tftp server
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| 10:40 | <SBNet> i'm running fc6 on this box, but i'm working on this etherboot disk, trying to figure out where to add the information to make the etherboot image boot from the ltsp
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> SBNet: you'll have to regenerate all the etherboot images to support dhcp on an alternate prot
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| 10:41 | port
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| 10:42 | <SBNet> how would i go about that?
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> SBNet: what do you really want? i mean... what is your goal ... ?
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| 10:42 | in a very general sense...
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| 10:43 | <SBNet> to have a bootcd that students can use anywhere on campus to boot up to an ltsp desktop as certain computer science classes use linux, so only about 10 people would be using this box at any one time
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| 10:44 | <vagrantc> why do you want to use ltsp?
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| 10:44 | why not just use a livecd ?
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| 10:45 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 10:45 | that's the way to do it
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| 10:45 | <SBNet> because their information is for their class so the teacher will be adding different things throughout the course and they have to be able to access the same mysql db and server pages no matter where they are
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| 10:46 | <jammcq> use a livecd, point the Xserver to log into the LTSP server
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| 10:46 | it's not hard
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| 10:46 | <SBNet> if ltsp works the way we want off a bootcd, then we will most likely make all our labs use ltsp
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| 10:47 | if it's not hard, how would i set it up in the livecd
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| 10:47 | <jammcq> on the live cd, where it launches X, you need to do: Xorg -query <ip_of_ltsp_server>
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| 10:48 | <SBNet> ok
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> and if you really want to demonstrate how LTSP works, you should set up a second network card and set up at least 1 machine running off the server...
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| 10:49 | <SBNet> well, we can do that no problem i have a fc6 router on the dorm network that we use for dynamic computer registration
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| 10:49 | so i can do that with no problem, but we are only looking into differnet things to use now and maybe put in over the summer
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> well, if you want to show how easy ltsp is to use, setting up a boot cd is the most complicated way you could come up with :)
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| 10:51 | LTSP is really easy as long as you have control of your dhcp server
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| 10:51 | <SBNet> i know, but we can't do an entire lab with it cause many people around here won't like a switch to linux only desktops, so we are starting with a class that uses bootcds, then a lab and servers and then from there
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| 10:51 | <vagrantc> you can do dual boot over the network
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| 10:51 | <SBNet> we do, but we are still looking into where to add the image information to it so all computers on the network get it, not just one
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| 10:51 | <vagrantc> that would be the easiest way to go
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| 10:52 | SBNet: these machines have windows on the hard drive?
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| 10:52 | <SBNet> yeah
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> so you could set up a network boot menu that gives the option of running locally or LTSP
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| 10:54 | locally being the windows on the hard drive
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> that's probably by far the easiest way to go
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| 10:54 | <SBNet> ok, that's fine i guess, was wanting so they always boot locally unless the cd is in, then the cd boots which boots directly to ltsp
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| 10:55 | well, if i had instructions on how to do it, i would, but i don't know how, i've only done dual local boots never boots over the network
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc> well, you can set it up so they boot to windows or LTSP by default ... you maintain all the configuration on your server. all you need to do is configure the machines to enable PXE boot- any recent machine will most likely support it.
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| 10:57 | <sbalneav> The only issue holding you back is adding the stuff that LTSP needs to the windows dhcp server. After that, a cdrom etherboot image will do exactly what you want.
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| 10:57 | <vagrantc> that too
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| 10:57 | <SBNet> well, we are working on figuring out how to add the ltsp info to the dhcp server
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| 10:58 | <jammcq> and... the things you need to add won't disrupt the windows boxes
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| 10:58 | <SBNet> i would use the static mac instructions but then that would have to be for every computer on campus, hundreds!! so one general thing
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| 10:58 | <vagrantc> nah, go dynamic dhcp
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| 11:39 | <cliebow_> adding the ltsp pieces to windows dhcp is pretty trivial..til you get to nnetvista and Macintosh'
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| 11:49 | <SBNet> we are using windows server 2003 and i'm going to look at it in about 30 mins or so it try and find the boot server and boot image places
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| 11:52 | <cor3> Scott Balneav? Can you recommend some low cost thin clients I can order north of the border?
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| 11:54 | anyone?
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| 11:57 | <SBNet> sorry don't know of any
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| 11:58 | <cor3> Blarg. I know scott uses a bunch at the legal aid centers in wpg
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| 11:59 | <cor3> just hoping to learn of where I can get my hands on some
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| 11:59 | <cliebow_> SBNetoptions 17 and 67 with 66 and 12 thrown in
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| 12:00 | <vagrantc> cor3: might get them from disklessworkstations.com
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| 12:01 | cor3: but that's south of the border, i think
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| 12:03 | <cor3> k
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| 12:03 | thanks for the info
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| 12:36 | <SBNet> alrighty, whos ready for a good question?
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| 12:36 | <cliebow_> me me me
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| 12:37 | <SBNet> nevermind, i went digging in my ltsp server and found my answer sorry to disappointyou
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| 12:37 | <cliebow_> dang...
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| 12:48 | <SBNet> ok, you want a question, i got one for ya
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| 12:49 | ohhh now you don't wanna answer my question since i've got one!!!
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| 12:54 | <cliebow_> im busy!
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| 12:55 | not really..but i prob cant answer anyway
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| 12:55 | <SBNet> i've got my server setup to do the boot options but when it does the tftp image, it comes back saying it can't locate the image
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| 12:55 | or times out i should say
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| 12:56 | <cliebow_> lemme look in my win dhcp..option 67 looks like
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| 12:57 | you do know win dhcp pads the root-path right?
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| 12:57 | <SBNet> mine is: /lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0
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| 12:57 | nope never done this before
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| 12:57 | <cliebow_> i vcould swear it is on the wiki..
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| 13:00 | http://ltsp.sourceforge.net/contrib/parallel_dhcp.txt
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| 13:01 | anyway option 66 is ipofserver
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| 13:01 | option67 looks ok
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| 13:02 | II. You can use the Windows DHCP server with some tweaking.
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| 13:02 | 1. Create the symlink /opt/ltsp/i386000 to point to /opt/ltsp/i386. This is
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| 13:02 | because we've seen Windows DHCP servers zero-pad root path strings.
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| 13:02 | 2. Set the bootfile (option 67) and rootpath (17), options to the
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| 13:02 | location of the kernel and the root path respectively
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| 13:02 | <SBNet> yeah my ltsp server is 10.40.0.29, umm option 17 is /opt/ltsp/i386 and op 67 is /lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0
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| 13:02 | <cliebow_> and 66?
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| 13:03 | <SBNet> 10.40.0.29
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| 13:03 | <cliebow_> my option 17 (forltsp-4.2) is ipofserver:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:03 | <SBNet> does it help if i'm trying to tftp to it, connect but can't run get lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0 without it timing out
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| 13:04 | <cliebow_> but the simlink above is important
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| 13:06 | <SBNet> i've been trying to just get a file from the tftp server and i can connect, but beyond that if i try to get it times out
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| 13:13 | <SBNet> he's back!
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| 13:18 | * dtrask offers cliebow and SBNet some dynamite for their Windows DHCP servers | |
| 13:19 | <dtrask> :-)
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| 13:19 | <cliebow_> dtrask:you have an addy fpor chris johnson?
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| 13:20 | <dtrask> cliebow_: love the name of your server "smoothwallkludge"
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| 13:20 | ummm hang on
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| 13:20 | <cliebow_> sandbox it is
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| 13:20 | <cliebow_> it was this one i was using ldap for smoothwall groups
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| 13:22 | <dtrask> cliebow_: ckjohnson_AT_gwi.net
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| 13:22 | <cliebow_> k..thanks
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| 13:23 | when is registration from unh open?
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| 13:23 | errr for
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| 13:26 | <dem> cliebow_: we have no issues with windows dhcp here
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| 13:26 | <dem> we use hpa-tfp on diffrent machine
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| 13:26 | <cliebow_> dem: how about netbooting ibooks from windows/
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| 13:26 | <SBNet> hey i got it booting, jut got to setup nfs on the machine, can't find the drive to mount
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| 13:27 | <cliebow_> SBNet:remember that simlink
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| 13:27 | <dem> why not, you can't use pxelinux
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| 13:27 | <cliebow_> not with an ibook you cant
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| 13:28 | <SBNet> my first issue was that it couldn't fine the server so i put this for 17 10.40.0.29:/opt/ltsp/i386, found the server but couldn't mount so now to nfs
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| 13:28 | <cliebow_> dont forget that simlink
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| 13:29 | <SBNet> ok how do i setup the nfs share for the thing, it's on but i don't see where the config program for it is
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| 13:30 | <cliebow_> config for what??
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| 13:30 | <SBNet> to tell the nfs server what directory to share out
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| 13:30 | <cliebow_> /etc/exports..but it is prob all set up for you
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| 13:31 | your prob i think is that windows pads the nfs request
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| 13:32 | <SBNet> well my machine is a fedora core 5 virtual machine and the computer connecting is an hp laptop using pxe boot
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| 13:32 | restarting my vm box to make sure everything went right and i had to add the stuff to export
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| 13:33 | <cliebow_> f you specify /opt/ltsp/i386 in windows dhcp..it looks to linux like it is asking for /opt/ltsp/i386000
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| 13:33 | so you need to ln -s /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386000
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| 13:34 | <SBNet> ok, when it gets up and running again, i will
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| 13:35 | <SBNet> in my pxe boot output it said it was looking for 10.40.0.29:/opt/ltsp/i386 so maybe its right or not, i'll see in a minute
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| 13:42 | <SBNet> it boots but said it couldn't find lts.conf so i'm reading lts.conf.readme, didn't know i had to do that, IT WASN'T IN THE MANUAL!!!
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| 13:42 | lol
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| 13:43 | <cliebow_> is this 4.2?
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| 13:43 | must be..
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| 13:43 | <SBNet> that is what everyone told me to get to that's what i installed
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| 13:43 | <cliebow_> it is wicked fast..
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| 13:44 | Manual..there's a manual?
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| 13:44 | <SBNet> yeah the like half page of install and setup instructions
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| 13:45 | :D
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| 13:45 | <cliebow_> there is a LOt of information on the wiki..
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| 13:49 | <SBNet> cool looks like my fedora core 5 box!!!!!!!!
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| 13:49 | <cliebow_> Of course..It IS your fedora box
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| 13:50 | you should have seen my first Macintosh booting to redhat7
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| 13:50 | <SBNet> ok, so i just create a user on the fedora box and ltsp will inherit the user?
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| 13:50 | <cliebow_> via ltsp
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| 13:50 | <SBNet> lol
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| 13:50 | <cliebow_> it Is the fedora box 8~)
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| 13:50 | <SBNet> whats cool is my laptop graphics actually work!!!!
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| 13:51 | <SBNet> just check don't get testy this is really cool!!!! lol
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| 13:51 | <cliebow_> hook your redhat box to ldap and of a sudden all users can authenticate
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| 13:52 | wnat to add the nesest openoffice..put it on the server and all terminals instantly have it
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| 13:52 | <SBNet> see we are using ads and i haven't been able to get that working, been doing it for a while. think i might just setup a separate ldap server that just gets usernames and password from the ads server and ldap is used by linux while windows uses ads
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| 13:52 | <cliebow_> something like that
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| 13:52 | <SBNet> since i can get all usernames and passwords from ads with one command
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| 13:53 | <cliebow_> or use winbind..we did that a few years
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| 13:53 | <dtrask> cliebow_: Sorry....school let out....had to get the kids outta' here. UNH opens hopefully in a week or so...we're still waiting them
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| 13:53 | You gonna' come?
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| 13:54 | <cliebow_> i dont know..they were thinking of budgetting..but they just cut out my laptopand a chair for me..
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| 13:54 | <SBNet> no one would happen to know how i can burn this etherboot floppy image to a cd would you
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| 13:54 | <dtrask> cliebow_: What! They still won't buy you a decent laptop?...GEEZ!
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| 13:55 | <cliebow_> i thought there was a prebuilt universal cdrom but i may be wrong
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| 13:55 | <SBNet> haven't seen it
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| 13:55 | !bootcd
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| 13:55 | <ltspbot> SBNet: Error: "bootcd" is not a valid command.
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| 13:55 | <cliebow_> plus they cut out two positions in it
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| 13:55 | <SBNet> !bootcdrom
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| 13:55 | <ltspbot> SBNet: Error: "bootcdrom" is not a valid command.
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| 13:55 | <SBNet> !bootdisk
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| 13:55 | <ltspbot> SBNet: Error: "bootdisk" is not a valid command.
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| 13:55 | <dtrask> cliebow_: If I were there I'd make sure you have an awesome lappy :-)
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| 13:55 | <SBNet> !bootfloppy
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| 13:55 | <ltspbot> SBNet: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 13:55 | <SBNet> see
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| 13:56 | <cliebow_> i appreciate that..i do have the g4 no one else can use..and a junk box full of parts..so im set for another year'
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| 13:57 | <dtrask> cliebow_: just bought myself a Nokia N800 (Linux internet tablet) so I can travel lighter...and manage my server while sitting on the loo ;-)
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| 13:57 | <cliebow_> dtrask:we cut boot times on the g4 in ltsp5 from 150 sec to 90
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| 13:57 | ill say ogra did
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| 13:58 | <dtrask> cliebow_: G4 as a server?
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| 13:58 | <cliebow_> that includes the g4 mucking around trying to figure out what the hell to do for 30 seconds
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| 13:58 | no client
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| 13:58 | But..it could just eas easy be a server
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| 13:58 | i built the chroot on it..
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| 13:58 | could server i386 from it iof you like
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| 13:59 | that is..a g4 running linux..not other..
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| 13:59 | <dtrask> cliebow_: where did it hang?
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| 14:00 | <cliebow_> ldm
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| 14:00 | well..seemed to hang loading fonts
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| 14:00 | <dtrask> ahhh....I suspected
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| 14:00 | how'd you get around it?
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| 14:00 | <SBNet> how can we get openoffice on here?
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| 14:01 | <cliebow_> oh.wait a day and the new should be ready to try
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| 14:01 | openoffice on what/
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| 14:01 | ?
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| 14:01 | <SBNet> ltsp
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| 14:01 | i guess install it on my host?
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| 14:02 | <cliebow_> id think..your enot trying as a local app or anything
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| 14:02 | <SBNet> ok
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| 14:02 | <cliebow_> oops..SBNet oo isnt there by default?
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| 14:03 | <SBNet> no, it's an fc5 barebone install
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| 14:03 | <cliebow_> get the rpms from openoffice.org..
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| 14:03 | <SBNet> i will just have to yum them
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| 14:03 | <cliebow_> sure
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| 14:04 | dtrask:just dont leave it on the sidewalk for some dude living in the can will have it
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| 14:05 | <bricode> Anyone familiar with the ltsp-build-client --mirror file:/// swtich?
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| 14:06 | <dtrask> cliebow_: LOL
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| 14:06 | <cliebow_> i am not..
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| 14:06 | that was a close one
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| 14:06 | <dtrask> cliebow_: Good point....I still relive that moment every now and then...goes to show nothing beats a good ID tag
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| 14:11 | <cliebow_> that is for sure
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| 14:13 | <bricode> ogra: Does the cdrom mirror require the alternate boot cd?
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| 14:29 | <SBNet> anyone know where i can get a universal etherboot cd?
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| 14:30 | kinda like their floppy on cd
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| 14:55 | <SBNet> ok, need a boot image that can boot a dell 2400 with onboard nic
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| 15:48 | <dem> jim, i got to figure out how to integrate my code into ldm, and we'll have a 0.1 load balancer
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| 15:49 | <dem> code pretty simple, clean too
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| 16:20 | <mistik1> dem: what you got there buddy?
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| 17:46 | <yhan> hi
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| 17:47 | is that a way to use an oss module with alsa ?
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| 17:47 | on my term, I have a cyrix 5530 chipset, and I ony have a driver for oss
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| 21:59 | <rjune> yojimbo!
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| 21:59 | jammcq: hey man
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| 21:59 | <jammcq> hey, look who shoed up
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| 21:59 | <rjune> I shoe up pretty good
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| 21:59 | <jammcq> how ya been ?
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| 22:00 | <rjune> busy as all hell
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| 22:06 | I've been using GNOME lately though
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| 22:06 | How you been?
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| 22:06 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:06 | <jammcq> !s
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| 22:06 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 22:08 | <rjune> hey scotty
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| 22:08 | <sbalneav> Hey rjune
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| 22:08 | Long time no see!
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| 22:08 | Whatcha up to?
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| 22:09 | <rjune> work work work
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| 22:10 | found that beagle is badass
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| 22:10 | <jammcq> oh jeez, he's drinking the Suse coolaid
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