IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 30 September 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:02 | <Guest42749> hello everyone I'm very new to ltsp, and I was recommend by Jan Middlelkoop to come here for some help, i'm currenlly trying to install a ltsp small image server to offer a pxe boot image to 4 computers to load RDP upon connection, I was wondering if someone here could light my way. Thank you all -jd
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| 05:20 | <alkisg> Guest42749: try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 05:25 | Hrm. It's so outdated it should probably be rewritten though
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> Follow the "Installing on top of an already running desktop system" paragraph
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| 05:27 | stgraber, highvoltage: the alternate cd no longer has LTSP, right? I.e. our main (non-pnp) installation page is pretty misleading...
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| 05:28 | <Guest42749> Hi Alkisg, I have the lspt server already installed as an image, however I don't know how to configure it coexisting with my dhcp server.
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| 05:28 | and for some reason the client gets stuck with the ubuntu purple boot image and does not go any further
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> !proxydhcp
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| 05:29 | <ltsp> proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> It's also possible to just put boot filename and root path in your existing dhcp server
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| 05:30 | But I don't have any wiki links for that
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| 05:31 | Maybe this one has a few clues: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 05:31 | <Guest42749> wow that would be nice, so whats my bets option now? configure the ubuntu dhcp to coexist with my current dhcp?
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| 05:31 | <alkisg> Unfortunately the LTSP documentation SUCKS :D
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| 05:31 | If it's easy for you to edit your existing one, do edit that one
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| 05:43 | <maldridge> Guest42749: what is your existing DHCP server running on?
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| 05:44 | <Guest42749> with the microsoft domain controller
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| 05:46 | <maldridge> Guest42749: I'd suggest the proxyDHCP route
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| 05:47 | you can set it in windows but I have had issues with the windows dhcp server and certain bios options
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| 05:48 | <alkisg> maldridge: do you remember what issues in specific?
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| 12:32 | <Cristian-> Hi everybody :D
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| 12:34 | Just want to know if there's a profile manager like sabayon (the app).. so I can set a default desktop with icons and other config and apply it to other users.
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| 13:35 | <work_alkisg> Hi Cristian-, I don't know of anyone, but it wouldn't be ltsp-specific so you might want to ask in your distribution channel as well
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| 13:41 | <maldridge> Cristian-: Sabayon seems very windows like, I'm not aware of any such tools outside the rhel ecosystem.
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| 13:42 | <work_alkisg> sabayon was maintained in edubuntu for some years by sbalneav
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| 13:43 | (not the sabayon distro, but the tool)
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| 13:43 | <maldridge> ran across the distro first, that was confusing
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| 13:46 | looks like its still in the ubuntu repos
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| 13:47 | <work_alkisg> I don't think it's been ported to recent gnome versions
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| 13:47 | E.g. no dconf, gsettings etc
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| 13:47 | i don't think it would work
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| 13:48 | <maldridge> ah, what about non gnome systems, or did it ever work on those
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| 13:49 | <Cristian-> i think it works for everything... it just nest a x window and let you setup things...
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| 13:49 | I could use skel
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| 13:49 | but what about relative paths?
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| 13:50 | <work_alkisg> sabayon never properly supported paths
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| 13:50 | <Cristian-> could I setup some user, desktop icons, applets, everything, then copy the contents of the home to the skel?
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| 13:50 | <work_alkisg> so if some app put /home/username/path/to/config in gconf, then it was "username" for all users, breaking things
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| 13:51 | <Cristian-> mmm i didnt have any problem with sabayon and paths, been using ubuntu 10.10 for almost 4 years for ltsp
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| 13:51 | <work_alkisg> How would you know?
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| 13:52 | E.g. suppose all users had the same gedit settings with username
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| 13:52 | Would you realize that?
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| 13:52 | <Cristian-> i realize it with wine
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| 13:52 | <work_alkisg> sabayon doesn't care for wine
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| 13:52 | wine settings go to the windows registry
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| 13:52 | not to gconf
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| 13:53 | <Cristian-> yeap, true... well, now you mention it, all I can say is that i never had problems using sabayon, so I supposed that everything was fine
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| 13:53 | lol
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| 13:54 | <Cristian-> so, can I use skel then?
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| 13:54 | set up an users profile by hand, then copy the home to skell dir?
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| 13:54 | never did that
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| 13:55 | <work_alkisg> In my opinion, using skel is broken
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| 13:56 | But how much broken depends on how exactly will you use it
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| 13:57 | * work_alkisg wishes linux would support the ~ path in the kernel, so that apps wouldn't even see /home/username | |
| 13:57 | <Cristian-> that would be fine hahah
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| 13:57 | any other suggestion?
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| 13:57 | <work_alkisg> There's menu editor by edubuntu
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| 13:57 | <Cristian-> yeah, alacarte
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| 13:58 | <work_alkisg> No, alacarte doesn't support menu groupping
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| 13:58 | the edubuntu editor uses alacarte but also supports groups
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| 13:58 | Anyway, we didn't have problems here leaving the same menus for all kids
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| 13:58 | from 1st grade to 12th...
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| 13:58 | <Cristian-> yeah, this is a government office, all users uses the same menu
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| 13:59 | if they need some item apart, we add to their profile
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| 13:59 | <work_alkisg> Then you could edit it globally
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| 13:59 | Not with a profile editor...
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| 13:59 | E.g. if you want to hide a menu, you can dpkg-divert its applications/menu.desktop file
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| 14:00 | Or use a custom XDG_DATA_DIRS menu
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| 14:00 | *directory
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| 14:00 | <Cristian-> yeah
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| 14:00 | <work_alkisg> But all this isn't ltsp specific...
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| 14:00 | <Cristian-> but what about gconf, Im using MATE desktop, want to remove some applets
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| 14:01 | <work_alkisg> mate and gnome support mandatory settings
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| 14:01 | <Cristian-> just need to set thing up with the editor and thats all folks?
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| 14:01 | <work_alkisg> No, with gsettings
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| 14:02 | <Cristian-> i know is not ltsp specific, but this things (i believe) are common to any guy setting up a ltsp env
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| 14:02 | <work_alkisg> create dirs in /etc with the gsettings you want, with a text editor, not a menu editor
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| 14:02 | Nah, noone is doing that here currently
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| 14:02 | <Cristian-> oh..
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| 14:03 | <work_alkisg> that's why sabayon and edubuntu menu editors aren't maintained anymore
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| 14:03 | <Cristian-> you just install ltsp and let the users desktop as they want?
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| 14:03 | or let them to set up their own desktop?
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| 14:04 | <work_alkisg> each one of them has his own account, free to use it however he likes,
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| 14:04 | and if people want to lock some things, they use mandatory gsettings
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| 14:04 | which is documented in gnome
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| 14:04 | <Cristian-> thats nice
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| 14:05 | My case is that i have to provide the same desktop to all users, and dont let them touch anything xD
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| 14:05 | <work_alkisg> why not wipe it on login?
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| 14:06 | so that they can touch whatever they want, but they'll know the changes will be reverted...
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| 14:06 | But note that sabayon never locked things
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| 14:06 | mandatory gsettings locked things
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| 14:06 | So if you want to lock it, you're going wrong about it
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| 14:06 | <Cristian-> no, it didnt, i finished some configurations by hand
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| 14:07 | but i liked the wipe thing
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| 14:07 | where can i find info about that?
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| 14:07 | <work_alkisg> wiping is quite easy, rm .config :)
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| 14:07 | <Cristian-> oh
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| 14:07 | nice
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| 14:07 | <work_alkisg> google for ltsp guest accounts etc
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| 14:07 | <Cristian-> I would
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| 14:08 | thanks so much, i really appreciate your help
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| 14:08 | <work_alkisg> you're welcome
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| 14:08 | <Cristian-> this channel always clear my doubts
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| 14:08 | sry for my english :D
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| 14:09 | cya!
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| 14:09 | <work_alkisg> np, I'm greek :)
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| 14:09 | bb!
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| 14:15 | <elias_a> work_alkisg: Would it be a problem that someone is finnish? :P
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| 14:21 | work_alkisg: BTW - have you noticed that we in Finland are now facing similar economical problems as your nation does?
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| 14:21 | work_alkisg: So, more LTSP to Finland that is... ;-)
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> elias_a: I think country debts are just a means to control them, so all nations will eventually owe a whole lot of money to banks etc...
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| 15:19 | The bad thing is that the make citizens blame themselves or others while try achieve that
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| 15:19 | *they
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| 15:20 | More LTSP is nice though :)
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| 15:26 | * vagrantc is curious about the line of discussion :) | |
| 15:27 | <stgraber> alkisg: well, the alternative cd seed still contains ltsp, but we've not produced alternative cds in years :)
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> stgraber: so the instructions are wrong, right?
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| 15:27 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 15:27 | I think that's our main how to for installing ltsp with ubuntu, non-pnp...
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| 15:28 | <elias_a> alkisg: Just wanted that you know that even finnish austerity right wingers are eating now their own crap. :P
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> :)
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| 15:29 | <elias_a> alkisg: Soo sweet...
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| 15:30 | <stgraber> alkisg: yep, install from CD should talk about the Edubuntu DVD live installer instead
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> stgraber: ah, never used that one...
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| 15:30 | stgraber: is there anyone from the edubuntu community that could update that page?
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| 15:35 | <stgraber> doubtful
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| 15:35 | though it's really just about installing Edubuntu normally and ticking a checkbox in the installer
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| 16:04 | <jammcq> stgraber: so.... you will be in Seattle ?
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| 16:05 | <stgraber> jammcq: unfortunately, yes
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| 16:06 | <jammcq> bummer. we'll save room for you next year
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| 16:07 | <stgraber> if I was somewhere on the east coast, I'd still have dropped by afterwards, but even flying out on the earliest flight possible would still get me to Bangor late on Saturday, so not really worth it :(
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| 16:07 | <jammcq> yeah, I understand.
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| 16:07 | it's prolly not easy to get from Seattle to SW harbor
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| 16:08 | <stgraber> it's really annoying how October seems to be my busiest month of the year for the past couple of years at least... really hope I can make it next year...
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| 16:09 | * vagrantc tried to scheme a way out there but just too much going on | |
| 16:10 | <jammcq> hmm, no vagrantc either :(
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| 16:10 | ogra: ping
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> jammcq: doing a roll call?
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| 16:13 | <jammcq> heh, yeah
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| 16:13 | I haven't heard if he's got a plane ticket yet. I'm having my doubts
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> ogra didn't even make it to an event in germany! :P
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| 16:16 | <ogra> vagrantc, i will manage to go to ubucon on oct 25th ... :)
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| 16:16 | but i didnt make debconf :(
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| 16:16 | <jammcq> ogra !!!!!!!!
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| 16:16 | <ogra> and i dont make todays beadvoltage show wihich is only 100km away ...
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| 16:17 | * vagrantc pouts | |
| 17:12 | <gvy> hey all the greybeards! :)
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| 17:13 | * vagrantc is still mostly pepper | |
| 17:19 | * ogra slowly moves to grey | |
| 17:21 | <ogra> jammcq, so when was the exact date for BTS ?
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| 18:47 | <jammcq> ogra: Oct 15-18
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| 18:47 | is there still hope?
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| 18:56 | <andy___> hello
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