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Channel log from 30 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:25 | <gord_> hi, i have problem on LTSP clients served by a Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP, googling and reading has produced several (many) conflicting snippets but no definite answers, I have mainly Compaq EN SFF clients from p2/350 to p3/600. Network is zero load, all test lab, only 1 client booted at a time. 10/100 switched infra. PROBLEM: Video apps refuse to play all video formats, tried Mplayer, VLC etc they open briefly, display no video nor sound, then app wi
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| 06:25 | ndow closes again. Even very low bandwidth lecture files (they play perfect on full/thick client 233mmx/256MB as well as thin client+hdd local install of 8.04. All files play fine on server, up to 10 at a time using same apps. QUESTION: specifically, is video playback possible _at all_ using LTSP to thin clients? or am I missing something fundemental.? feel free to slap me :)
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| 06:27 | server was upgrade from gutsy to hardy if that matters for any gotchas
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| 06:28 | also, puzzling, several different laptops/notebooks cant play vids either, boted via PXE with nice specs (600>900US$ machines new)
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| 06:29 | nor can many current desktops with high specs. All run normal desktop apps fine (v. fast)
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| 06:29 | <ogra> did you properly rebuild your client during the upgrade ?
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| 06:29 | <gord_> the ltsp was not built at time of upgrade to hardy 804
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| 06:29 | <ogra> and also did you install eh needed codecs (teh ubuntu-restricted-extras package depends on all of them)
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| 06:30 | you need to rebuild the client env ...
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| 06:30 | <gord_> yes all codecs installed, AHH u mean codecs in client env? chrooted?
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| 06:30 | <ogra> move the old /opt/ltsp/i386 dir away and re-run sudo ltsp-build-client before you test anything else
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| 06:31 | a lot has changed between the two releases, a new server needs the new client env as well
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| 06:31 | <gord_> wildo, thanks. fundemental but i missed it :)
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| 06:31 | <ogra> no, i mean on the server
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| 06:31 | the cliet only displays the pictures, all processing is done on the server, so you indeed need the codecs that
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| 06:31 | <gord_> yes, not revuilt ion serves since some codecs and stuff. needs doin probably, i come back if still probs
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| 06:31 | <ogra> s/that/there/
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| 06:32 | <gord_> lol need new keyboard/fingers here too
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| 06:32 | i now realise i shoud have clean installed the server before i started confusing myself
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| 06:35 | <ogra> thats not necessary, but ltsp-build-client is :)
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| 06:36 | <gord_> yep, i'm starting now, getting ssh going from another box to save legs, i'm on a thinclient right now
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| 08:54 | <Blinny> Gadi: G'morning. Just back from a stint off. Have you looked at the process killing script on user logout any more since.. well, a few weeks ago?
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> Blinny: hey - yeah, I was looking for you at various points last week - in case you wanted to continue the quest
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| 08:57 | I had made some changes since we left off
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| 08:57 | but, still have not had a chance to test much myself
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| 08:57 | lemme pull up what Ieft off with...
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| 08:58 | !pastebot
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| 08:58 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 08:58 | <Blinny> Gadi: You are teh awesomez. And stuff. Let me check it out.
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| 08:59 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "draft of rc.d script to kill old user procs" (36 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/3
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> One of the changes I made, was to grab the *newest* sshd process
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| 08:59 | which basically corresponds to the current ssh socket
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| 09:00 | and avoid killing *it*
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> while killing all other processes
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| 09:00 | That *should* be a safe approach
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| 09:00 | (amazing what a '-n' flag will do) :)
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| 09:01 | <Blinny> That and the path to kill are the only diff's I see.
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| 09:01 | heh
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> ah, oops
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| 09:01 | <Blinny> How do I ensure it's fired at login?
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> forgot to fix that
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| 09:02 | its /bin/kill, right?
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| 09:02 | <Blinny> Yes.
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> it is an rc.d script
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| 09:02 | for ldm
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| 09:02 | remember?
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| 09:03 | <Blinny> Oh, I know. I just couldn't get it to fire unless run manually.
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> it should fire as long as you make it: S15checkuser
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| 09:03 | or some such
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| 09:03 | and put it in the rc.d directory for ldm
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| 09:03 | <Blinny> wxrwxr-x 1 root root 1135 2008-06-30 10:01 S30-check-processes
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| 09:04 | in ldm/rc.d yes.
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 09:04 | <Blinny> I had it at S01 but someone last week said to bump down the priority.
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> the only thing I can think of is I wonder if LDM_USERNAME is exported to the environment for rc.d
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| 09:04 | hmm...
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| 09:05 | as a test, edit the script and at the top, put: LDM_USERNAME=yourUser
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| 09:05 | and then log in as that user
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| 09:05 | you are using ahrdy?
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| 09:05 | *hrady
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| 09:05 | <Blinny> Yes.
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> *hardy
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| 09:05 | <Blinny> heh
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> bleh
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| 09:06 | lemme check hardy's ldm code and see if LDM_USERNAME is exported to the rc.d env
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| 09:06 | <Blinny> Rebuilding image
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| 09:07 | Logged in, logged out with no messages, including LDM_USERNAME=myUser
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| 09:07 | I can get in and start editing by hand again.
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| 09:07 | LDM_USERNAME, LDM_SOCKET and LDM_SERVER are the envs correct?
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> well, you need to be logged in twice, right?
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| 09:09 | <Blinny> Correct. I'm logged in right here.
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| 09:09 | 2nd terminal, logging in as sameUser
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> ah
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| 09:10 | <Blinny> I'm beginning to feel schizophrenic!
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> one sec - lemme look at ldm.c for a sec
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| 09:10 | <Blinny> Ok.
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> maybe DISPLAY is not exported
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| 09:10 | actually, you could do this:
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| 09:10 | in the script, make some lines like:
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| 09:10 | echo $DISPLAY >> /tmp/junk
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| 09:11 | <Blinny> ah yah good call.
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> echo $LDM_USERNAME >> /tmp/junk
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| 09:12 | <Blinny> re-rolling & rebooting
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| 09:13 | That'll output on the thin client env, correct?
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:14 | <Blinny> Yeah. Looks like LDM_USERNAME is blank.
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| 09:14 | DISPLAY outputs :6
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> and, it appears that is the problem
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| 09:14 | LDM_USERNAME is not exported to the environment
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| 09:14 | crap
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| 09:14 | <Blinny> SOCKET outputs the full /var/run/... path
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> I had thought it was
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| 09:14 | <Blinny> Gadi: If that's the only problem, why did it not Just Work when explicitly specifying LDM_USERNAME
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> maybe that was only in my hacks that didnt get merged
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| 09:15 | well, that's abother good question
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| 09:15 | perhaps it died before it got to xmessage
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| 09:15 | <Blinny> Let me try with both the echo's and the LDM_USERNAME specified
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> because a lot of those commands are bad if LDM_USERNAME is empty
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| 09:15 | <Blinny> I'm not exporting though, just LDM_USERNAME=myUser correct?
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> yeah, that should be fine
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| 09:16 | <Blinny> Rebooting.
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> ah, you may want to change the word "you're" in your xmessage to: "you are"
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| 09:17 | I don't know how it will like the single quote
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| 09:17 | <Blinny> Oh yeah. I had fixed that in my copy before replacing w/ yours.
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| 09:18 | Good catch.
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| 09:18 | OK. Correctly, LDM_USERNAME is spit out to /tmp/junk when specified.
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> exporting LDM_USERNAME into the env is a 2-line patch to ldm
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| 09:19 | <Blinny> So, maybe it's just the parsing of the '
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> maybe
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| 09:19 | try logging in
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| 09:19 | of course, you may not want to kill yourself
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| 09:19 | :)
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| 09:19 | <Blinny> Rebooting now.
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| 09:20 | Hopefully you'll see me die here pretty soon. (;
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> lol
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| 09:20 | ah, crap - like my mouse just did
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| 09:21 | <Blinny> Yeh rocka!
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> cool
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| 09:22 | <Blinny> The 'Kill session' works great.
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> ok - well, we need to patch ldm then,
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| 09:22 | <Blinny> Two issues: Cancel should return to LDM greeter, yes? And, the button needs to be centered.
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> heh, well, i'll let you work on the cosmetics of the button
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| 09:23 | <Blinny> Just a -center before -buttons
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 09:23 | :)
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| 09:24 | in terms of returning to the greeter, we should have cancel kill the local ldm process, probably
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| 09:24 | <Blinny> Is it possible to cancel the current login process when the user clicks Cancel?
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> so that it respawns
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| 09:24 | <Blinny> Is that the only one?
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> well, killing that should take care of things, I think
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| 09:24 | <Blinny> (and will we run into longer-term problems b/c we're not restarting the xserver?)
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| 09:24 | (as I recall hearing that a logout usually resets the xserver)
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> you are restarting the xserver
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| 09:24 | <Blinny> :s;resets;restart
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> when ldm respawns
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| 09:24 | <Blinny> Oh. Dig.
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> so, I guess we can call a pkill ldm or some such
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| 09:25 | hmm...
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| 09:25 | <Blinny> Shouldn't we be able to just ldmProc=$(ssh -X -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} "/usr/bin/pgrep -n -u ${LDM_USERNAME} ldm") and then pkill -n ?
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| 09:26 | er, pkill
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> no
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| 09:26 | ldm runs on the client
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| 09:26 | not the server
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| 09:27 | <ltsppbot> "Blinny" pasted "cancel functionality" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/4
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> ogra: does ldm store its pid to a file?
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| 09:28 | crap
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| 09:28 | blinny - hold that thought
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| 09:28 | I need to reboot my client one sec
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| 09:28 | brb
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| 09:28 | <Blinny> K
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| 09:33 | <ltsppbot> "Blinny" pasted "cancel functionality part deux" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/5
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| 09:33 | <Blinny> More like that?
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| 09:33 | No.
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> nope
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| 09:34 | <Blinny> heh
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> you dont need all that
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| 09:34 | just call "pkill"
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| 09:34 | pkill ldm
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| 09:34 | but, I would prefer that we get the ldm pid for the current ldm process
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| 09:34 | perhaps we can kill the parent of the current process
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| 09:35 | that might be better
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| 09:35 | <Blinny> But it runs on the server, correct, not the thin client?
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> no, the client
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| 09:35 | 1 sec
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| 09:35 | * Blinny spins | |
| 09:36 | <Gadi> try this
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| 09:37 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "Cancel button" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/6
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| 09:38 | <Blinny> $PPID is available?
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> thats set by the shell
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| 09:39 | <Blinny> Coo. Rebooting client now.
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> if that doesn't work, we may need to kill grandpa
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| 09:39 | :)
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| 09:40 | <Blinny> grandpa's already defunct
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| 09:40 | Yeh, no worky :(
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| 09:40 | <jammcq> good morning
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> yeah, we need to kill grandpa
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| 09:41 | morning, grandpa
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| 09:41 | :)
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| 09:41 | <Blinny> haaahahaa
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| 09:41 | <Blinny> shhhh, everything will be over soon
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> so, quick, jammcq: get the pid for grandpa from a shell
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| 09:42 | <jammcq> that would be PID 1
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| 09:42 | go ahead, kill it
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> you heard the man
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| 09:42 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "and if that doesn't work..." (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/7
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> oops
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| 09:43 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "and if that doesn't work..." (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/8
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> but, its not always 1, jammcq
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| 09:45 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "and if that doesn't work..." (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/9
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> one might be better off with that
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| 09:46 | <Blinny> updating & rebooting
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> well, Blinny, my vote is for killing grandpa - as opposed to Adam
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| 09:46 | :)
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| 09:46 | <Blinny> ...you say tomato...
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| 09:48 | <Blinny> Bummer. Nope.
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| 09:48 | Still logs in OK when clicking 'Cancel'
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> which did you do?
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| 09:48 | kill 1?
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| 09:49 | or kill grandpa?
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| 09:49 | <Blinny> No, the last one. $grandpa=$(ps and kill -9 $grandpa
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 09:49 | wait
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| 09:49 | time out
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| 09:49 | why do we want the greeter back?
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| 09:49 | If you dont want to kill the old user, you want to continue logging in as a second user, no?
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| 09:50 | or do we not want to allow that at all?
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| 09:50 | <Blinny> I don't think that is A Good Thing.
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| 09:51 | That's me personally. I don't know the technical ramifications of multiple gvfs's and the like on multiple machines.
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> ok, then we should prolly also make this whole script lts.conf-enableable
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| 09:51 | something like: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION
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| 09:52 | <Blinny> It would mess up guest/auto logins at kiosks
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> potentially
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| 09:52 | right
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| 09:53 | <Blinny> Ok. For now, I'm going to remove this, as everyone is logging in, and changing LDM_USERNAME to myUser on login. (;
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> lol
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| 09:53 | yeah
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| 09:54 | lemme look to see if the pid of the current ldm is stored anywhere
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| 09:54 | <Blinny> Need me any more? First day back after 8 days away so I got a stack of TODOs. ping me if you need debugging/testing.
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> can you check the client's /var/run
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| 09:54 | ?
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| 09:54 | <Blinny> Yah one sec
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| 09:55 | I just see language, session and rating
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| 09:55 | in /var/run/ldm/$SERVER_IP
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| 09:56 | So, no. I don't see a ldm pid.
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> for now, you can prolly just do: pkill ldm
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| 09:56 | in the elif
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| 09:57 | but, I would prefer something more democratic
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| 09:57 | :)
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| 09:58 | at some point, I will create an ldm patch to export LDM_USERNAME
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| 09:59 | <Blinny> There's a slightly-related bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/232532 dealing with not killing processes on logout.
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| 10:00 | Nevermind. It wouldn't suit to hijack.
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| 10:00 | <Gadi> well, this would solve that
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| 10:00 | at least on next login
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| 10:00 | and do it relatively cleanly
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| 10:03 | <Blinny> Right.
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| 10:04 | That's really why all this started.
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| 10:04 | (for me
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| 13:32 | <cliebow> Gadi:ping
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> pong
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| 13:42 | cliebow: ?
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| 13:46 | <cliebow> ohh sorry to bother you..guess i got a handle on it
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> heh
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| 14:09 | <epoxy|w3rk> any suggestions on a kiosk style browser that can allow pdf files to be opened. I can't seem to get rkeiosk or openkeisk (=exactly what i need) to play nice with any sort of popup
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> just backported ldm 2.0.6 to etch, for those that use the backports ...
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> debian backports, that is
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| 16:15 | * ogra applauds | |
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> didn't really require any changes ... just merged my ldm-debian-packaging into ldm-etch-backports-packaging, resolved a few trivial conflicts, and tested :)
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| 16:17 | definitely like it when it goes like that.
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| 16:17 | <ogra> well, you likely need ltspfs as well ... no ?
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> well, i backported that a long time ago ...
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| 16:19 | <ogra> ah
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> although it's a couple versions behind still ...
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| 16:19 | still works :)
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| 16:19 | <ogra> i think i'll have my first backports ever from intrepid to hardy now ...
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> i'll probably try and backport ltsp and ltspfs next :)
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| 16:19 | * ogra just tests fedoras liveusb-creator | |
| 16:20 | <vagrantc> backports are really nice when you don't have to make many changes
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| 16:20 | <ogra> once in my life i touch a fedora tool and not even warren is around ...
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> because supporting increasingly disparate versions is a headache
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| 16:21 | ogra: what's fedora's liveusb-creator got going for it?
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| 16:22 | <ogra> well, its a frontend to dd
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> if i had to do that for debian, i'd probably use debian-live or maybe even ltsp :)
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| 16:22 | <ogra> nothing more
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> oh.
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| 16:22 | heh.
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| 16:22 | <ogra> just dd*ing an iso to USB key
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| 16:22 | and offering you a device selection puldown for that
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> impressive.
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| 16:23 | <ogra> heh
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| 16:23 | our OEM team looks for a free tool to give to windows users for putting images on USB ...
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| 16:24 | so i'm inspecting possibilities
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| 16:24 | that tool seems to be not it though, it just exploded in my face
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| 16:25 | telling me there is not enough free space on the empty 2G key to put a 700M image on it
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| 16:27 | * vagrantc steps on blackberry thorns and pokes nice holes in vagrantc's feet | |
| 16:27 | <vagrantc> this may, strangely enough, bode well for backporting more stuff
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