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Channel log from 9 September 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:02 | <[GuS]> Hi guys, i've installed fresh gentoo-amd64 from stage3 and now LTSP. I ask: Can i build x86 clients on 64bits platform?
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> should be able to, no idea how
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| 00:10 | <[GuS]> vagrantc: I a just in the point of building the client and downloading the stage3 for it. Just i never did it.
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| 00:13 | <vagrantc> i've never used gentoo, but in theory it should be possible. you can do that on debian and ubuntu, i know for sure.
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| 02:15 | <[GuS]> Anynone knows to how build 32bits ltsp clients on gentoo 64bits?
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| 02:58 | <dberkholz> in theory it's possible, not sure whether the code supports it.
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| 02:58 | try grepping for m32
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| 02:58 | or ABI
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| 06:05 | <knipwim> [GuS]: i use a 32 bit client on 64 bit gentoo
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| 06:05 | it works :)
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| 09:30 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Gary, good morning. :)
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| 09:51 | <maslak> help
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| 09:51 | :)
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| 09:51 | * alkisg grands help to maslak | |
| 09:52 | <maslak> I need some directions with fixing connection between 1000 mbit server > 100mbit client
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| 09:52 | 90% of boot probes fail
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| 09:52 | my english is weak
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| 09:52 | sorry for that
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> Which distro/version are you using?
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| 09:52 | <maslak> ubuntu 10.04.3
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| 09:53 | ltsp from distro
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> What messages do you see on the clients, when they fail to boot?
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| 09:53 | <maslak> I just see ubuntu splash
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 09:53 | <ltsp> alkisg: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
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| 09:53 | <maslak> before upgrade i was able to press arrow up key and see the console
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> maslak: try what the ltsp bot said above ^
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| 09:54 | You upgraded from 9.10?
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| 09:54 | <maslak> is it possible to disable splash for certain thincliens ?
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> Yes, but can't you disable it for all just for a while, while you troubleshoot?
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| 09:55 | <maslak> alkisg: it was 10.04 since it was not stable yet - over 15 upgrades since install
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| 09:55 | installed as 10.04
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> Did the clients ever boot without problems since then?
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| 09:55 | Or they had problems since the installation?
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| 09:55 | <garymc> good morning Hyperbyte
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| 09:55 | good morning alkisg
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> Good morning garymc
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| 09:56 | Glad you got everything working :)
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| 09:56 | <garymc> me too, thanks for your input. Hyperbyte sused it int he end
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| 09:56 | <maslak> yes
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> sused? from open-suse? I thought Hyperbyte was a fedora guy... :P :D
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| 09:57 | <garymc> sorry its a Liverpool saying, SUSSED
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| 09:57 | as in figured it out
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> maslak: ok, try removing quiet-splash, and check for error messages on clients that won't boot
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| 09:57 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, sussed. I got it the first time alkisg. :)
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| 09:57 | <maslak> i remember i;ve fixed problem before by defining different filesi in pxelinux.cfg directory
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| 09:57 | <Hyperbyte> But then again, I'm a lot closer to Great Britain than you are. :P
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| 09:58 | <maslak> now 99% of my network is 1000, but two thin clients must stay on old hardware with 100mbit nic
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| 09:58 | <Hyperbyte> :o
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| 09:58 | You have two hundred thin clients in your network?
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> Haha, good math there :)
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| 09:59 | <maslak> ;)
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| 10:00 | alkisg: editing ...../pxelinux.cfg/default will work after just saving file or do i need to rebulid sth ?
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| 10:00 | <garymc> two hundred!!! I have 5 and my firefox runs a little slow
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> maslak: just save + reboot clients
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| 10:01 | <maslak> ok - should be 90% - if not counting network hardware ...
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| 10:01 | alkisg: ok - i'll give it a try
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| 10:03 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, what are your client specs?
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| 10:18 | <maslak> after dispabling splash i see my station stops after ntpdate
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| 10:19 | first 3 attempts to boot were successfull - fourth stopped on *Starting ltsp client.... and ntpdate after that
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| 10:20 | alkisg ?
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> maslak: try rebooting a few times, and see if it always stops at the same point, or if it stops at random points
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| 10:22 | I suspect it stops at random points.
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| 10:22 | !nbd-proxy
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| 10:22 | <ltsp> alkisg: nbd-proxy: Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10 use a wrapper called nbd-proxy, which is causing networking problems for some people. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034. It's been disabled by default in 11.04, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1803
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> maslak: so, you may have to disable nbd-proxy to make the networking problems to stop
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| 10:29 | <maslak> should it be done in chroot for machines or on server side ?
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| 10:29 | ok - i found file only on client side
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> maslak: follow the steps described in the bug report to disable nbd-proxy
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| 10:32 | Don't delete files
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| 10:33 | <maslak> if i;m correct i should only apply fix which is replacing a few lines of code
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| 10:38 | <maslak> i see in some of older configurations that i used nocompcache in pxelinux.cfg/
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| 10:38 | comment says it waf for fixing old machnes problem... bud don;t remember what exactly...
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| 10:46 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : Not sure, just know they are 64 bit and 1gb ram, I think
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| 10:48 | looks like 2.8ghz and 2gb ram
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| 10:48 | just after booting one then
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| 10:48 | sorry I replied late to this, but was out of the office
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> maslak: I think I'm the only one here that advices people to use nocompcache :D If I told you to put it there, keep it, it makes things faster for old clients with little ram.
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| 10:52 | (it even helps with newer clients too)
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| 10:53 | <maslak> after aplying the patch i got kernel panic - not synciing: Attempt to kill init ...
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| 10:53 | client got address and after that just stopped ...
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| 10:54 | my default pxelinux.cfg looks like that: append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet nbdroot=192.168.0.251:2000 nocompcache
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> If you got kernel panic, you probably didn't get the ltsp_nbd file correctly
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| 10:59 | And e.g. you might have downloaded it as a web page (html) instead
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| 11:01 | <maslak> i falloweg instructions here https://launchpadlibrarian.net/49591679/disable-nbd-proxy.patch
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> See my comment #13 in the link I gave you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
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| 11:01 | <maslak> but i assume i did it wrong way - becouse i removed lines marked - , added + and those which are without a lead
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> Also, how much RAM do your clients have?
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| 11:05 | <maslak> 51mb
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| 11:06 | 512
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| 11:06 | sorry
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| 11:07 | i've corrected the patch - enabled noquiet mode and now it boots, but says nbd0 - unknown partition table ... but i have nbd swap disabled - is something else using nbd ?
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| 11:08 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, your thin clients are 2.8ghz and 1 GB ram?
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| 11:09 | ** 2 GB
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| 11:09 | <garymc> 2GB
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| 11:09 | I THINK
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| 11:09 | <Hyperbyte> ...
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| 11:09 | <garymc> THE SCREEN GOES OFF PRETTY QUICkly :S :P
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| 11:09 | caps sorry
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| 11:09 | <Hyperbyte> That's why there's a 'pause' button on your keyboard
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| 11:09 | In a local xterm
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| 11:09 | <muppis> maslak, warning about unknown partition table can ignored.
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| 11:10 | <maslak> ok
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| 11:10 | muppis: thnx
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| 11:10 | <Hyperbyte> Type 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' and 'cat /proc/meminfo'
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| 11:10 | And pastebin that
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| 11:10 | <maslak> alkisg: great thanks for your help - now it works fine 10/10 boots ok
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| 11:11 | <garymc> loading xterm, i forgot
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| 11:11 | <Hyperbyte> Type !localxterm
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| 11:11 | (in here)
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| 11:11 | <garymc> !loacxterm
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| 11:11 | <ltsp> garymc: I do not know about 'loacxterm', but I do know about these similar topics: 'localxterm'
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| 11:12 | <garymc> !localxterm
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| 11:12 | <ltsp> garymc: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 11:13 | <maslak> Guys is it possible to run wine as a localapp ?
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| 11:13 | <garymc> ok
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| 11:15 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, the ltsp bot is our collective memory. :)
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| 11:15 | <garymc> Hyperbyte: having trouble copying that xterm window
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| 11:15 | <garymc> I cant scroll it either
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| 11:16 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, with | you can pipe output to another command. 'more' is a scrolling interface for output
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| 11:16 | cat /proc/cpuinfo | more
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| 11:16 | <garymc> I can see 2.8ghz chip speed and 2gb memeory
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| 11:16 | 2mb cache
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| 11:16 | <Hyperbyte> That's insane for a thin client.
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| 11:17 | You realize thin clients work with much, much less?
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| 11:17 | <garymc> yeah I got them for £20 each
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| 11:17 | so thought super
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| 11:17 | they will do and they are quite small
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> maslak: sure, it's possible
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| 11:17 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, you should consider running some applications locally on the thin client.
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| 11:18 | <garymc> dont know how to
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| 11:18 | <Hyperbyte> Just like you run 'ltsp-localapps xterm' you can run 'ltsp-localapps firefox' if Firefox is installed on the client.
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| 11:18 | <garymc> i would like to run firefox locally
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| 11:18 | how would I install firefox on the client
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| 11:18 | <Hyperbyte> Alternative, you could implement fat clients, and run the -entire- desktop locally, taking the strain off the server and network, and putting it on the client.
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| 11:18 | <garymc> is that a big task to do?
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| 11:18 | <Hyperbyte> Not really
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| 11:18 | !fatclients
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| 11:18 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 11:19 | <garymc> would they still have to log in on the server?
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| 11:19 | <Hyperbyte> Yes
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| 11:19 | <garymc> ok well that sounds good
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| 11:19 | <Hyperbyte> And they still use one collective network image, served via the network.
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| 11:19 | <garymc> ok
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| 11:19 | so I have a test client setup to the network where do I start
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| 11:19 | do i need to install ubuntu on it?
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| 11:20 | <Hyperbyte> With thin clients, the client boots a minimal OS, logs into the server, and starts a whole desktop on the server.
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| 11:20 | With fat clients, the desktop is started on the client rather than the server.
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| 11:20 | Start by reading the manpage above. Don't just dive into this by typing all kinds of commands and doing things.
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| 11:21 | First read the page above, see what's involved, consider where you might run into problems, which things you need to learn about before doing this.
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| 11:21 | You have a working setup, make sure you don't kill it by diving into something that's, at this moment, a little over your head. :) Learn first.
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| 11:23 | <maslak> about localapps: I;ve noticed that running firefox as localapps is good solution, but there were some problem opening files on the fly - let's say pdf documents... it did,t work same way as it works on server side
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| 11:23 | <garymc> can you have a mix of fat and thin clients on the server?
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| 11:23 | <Hyperbyte> maslak, because the local Firefox uses local resources. If you don't have a local PDF viewer, it won't open PDF's.
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| 11:24 | <maslak> nowadays - most of office work is done via browser
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| 11:24 | <Hyperbyte> maslak, you can however configure Firefox to use the remote PDF viewer on the server. 'ltsp-localapps' starts an application on the client, from the server. 'ltsp-remoteapps' starts a program on the server, from the client.;
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| 11:24 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, not sure. You have some slower clients as well?
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| 11:24 | <maslak> remoteapps - never heard ab that ;)
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| 11:24 | <Hyperbyte> maslak, if you use evince for PDF viewing, you would configure the local Thunderbird to use 'ltsp-remoteapps evince' for PDF viewing
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| 11:26 | <maslak> right now i have testing enviroment on aprox 20 thin clients - target is to move over 80 windows machines to ltsp solution in ltsp cluster
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| 11:27 | <Hyperbyte> maslak, good job. :-D
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| 11:27 | Company?
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| 11:27 | <maslak> if it;s possible to run remote aps ad default settings it;s really great solution, but if it;s nesesarry to configure it per user it is a problem
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| 11:27 | yes
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| 11:27 | company ;)
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| 11:28 | <garymc> i have slower thin clients but I dont use them, only if I needed to use them in say an emergency
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| 11:28 | <maslak> I have one company and one school
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| 11:28 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, you could probably use a mix, but they'll be completely different desktops. They wouldn't use the same configuration.
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| 11:29 | maslak, Firefox supports global settings. Also, configuring things per-user you could easily do with a script.
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| 11:29 | For example, I have a softphone and generate user configuration automatically on login.
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| 11:29 | You can place a link in /etc/xdg/autostart to a script that runs on login
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| 11:29 | The script can set all the appropriate configuration.
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| 11:30 | And it'll run from the user account too, which is beneficial for what you want to do.
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| 11:30 | <maslak> there were two problems up today... some windows apps which are not able to run under wine - and performacje of server - If i;ll manage to port wine to run as localapp on client this should give me a lot of cpu and ram on a server
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| 11:30 | Hyperbyte: Thanks for pointing me right direction
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| 11:31 | <Hyperbyte> maslak, client specs?
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| 11:31 | <maslak> most of them dell gx 620 : 1gb ram + nvidia graphics
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| 11:31 | some are older dells
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> Should be good for local firefox. :)
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| 11:32 | <maslak> with 512 Mb ram
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| 11:32 | it's good ;)
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> maslak, what kind of Windows application do you need to run?
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| 11:32 | <maslak> but i didn,t know there's such sollution as remote apps
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| 11:32 | UniPaas RTE
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| 11:33 | <Hyperbyte> Don't know it.
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| 11:33 | <maslak> oficially noone, anywhere did that ;) - i got it running fine on server side
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| 11:33 | Hyperbyte: It's some shit written by jewish programmers to provide SaaS
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| 11:34 | <Hyperbyte> SaaS?
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| 11:34 | :)
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| 11:34 | <maslak> http://www.magicsoftware.com/en/products/?catID=70
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| 11:35 | <Hyperbyte> They're software developers?
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| 11:35 | Or you use this software for your local CRM?
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| 11:35 | <maslak> they provide software to build software ...
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| 11:35 | and my great bos bougt software written in software ;)
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| 11:36 | <Hyperbyte> Ah
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| 11:36 | <maslak> so we paid for app + license to run app + windows licenses :)
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| 11:36 | <Hyperbyte> Hm
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| 11:36 | Well, not sure if this is a solution
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> If you can run it on the server, then you can run it on clients too
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| 11:37 | <Hyperbyte> But I have some software that doesn't want to run on Linux either...
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| 11:37 | <maslak> wine has some bugs working under ltsp
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| 11:37 | <Hyperbyte> I applied a multi-user RDP login hack to Windows XP Pro, and use RDP from the thin client desktops to run the Windows software.
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| 11:37 | <maslak> mainly dx related
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| 11:37 | and graphic acceleration
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| 11:38 | Hyperbyte: I use this sollution elsewhere - but this company is too big to provide such sollutions ;)
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| 11:39 | <Hyperbyte> maslak, if lots of people use it, then yeah... that's gonna be a problem.
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| 11:39 | <maslak> LTSP has nice feature to run automatically rdp client on different screens, so some of my users have linux and windows "running" on thin client ;)
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| 11:39 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 11:39 | I run the RDP directly on the thin client desktop
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| 11:40 | <garymc> with FaT clients do you need to install anything on the Client?
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| 11:40 | <Hyperbyte> Not even as a local app either. :o
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> maslak: local wine wouldn't have any remote-X-related problems
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| 11:40 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, no. LTSP fat clients, like thin clients, do not require, nor use a harddisk. They netboot.
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| 11:41 | Everything you want to install 'on the client', you need to install on the server, in the /opt/ltsp/ chroot.
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| 11:41 | <maslak> alkisg: app i;m using is directx related - there was a problem about year ago that forced me to use vesa driver or nvidia cards to run it right way - otherwise my clients thin or fat (up to 4gb ram) were crushing when starting UniPaas
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> maslak: which problem? Local wine should be the same, with ltsp or not.
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| 11:42 | <Hyperbyte> UniPaas is a horrible name for anything computer related by the way. It sounds like some evil villain from a bad SciFi movie...
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| 11:42 | <maslak> it is evil - trist me ;)
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| 11:43 | trust*
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| 11:43 | its similar to MS VisualBasic ;) button here.. button there - here you go - that's your new CRM ! :)
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| 11:44 | <Hyperbyte> If the application made isn't too complicated, you could consider rewriting it. ;-)
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| 11:44 | Make it into a nice web application, so they can easily run it from home as well. ;-)
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| 11:44 | Your boss will be so proud. ;-)
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| 11:44 | <maslak> BTW: is there any sollution which will allow me to cut traffic on my thin client when user goes into a flash site or plays yutube video ?
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| 11:44 | <Hyperbyte> Yep. Firefox as localapp. :)
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| 11:45 | <maslak> hyperbyte: that;s the problem - i;m not a programmer and he won;t pay a single cent more than he did for our :proud sollution"
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| 11:45 | <Hyperbyte> Local applications output directly to the client's X, they don't go via network.
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| 11:45 | <maslak> is it possible to run just flashplugin as localapp ? :)
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| 11:45 | <Hyperbyte> No. :-)
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| 11:45 | <garymc> Hyperbyte, So I would have to remove the updated server replace with old one , then start again?
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| 11:46 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, no.
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| 11:46 | <garymc> imagine I messed up the current config, my head would be BURNT!!
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| 11:46 | <Hyperbyte> Did you read the entire fat clients document
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| 11:46 | ?
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| 11:46 | <garymc> yeah, but understanding and reading are two differnt things :P
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| 11:46 | <Hyperbyte> Well, work on understanding then. :)
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| 11:47 | <maslak> I've been trying to setupa a trunk of 2 gbit ports to managed swithch to provide big pipe of data ;) but there still is a problem of few people who like to wtch video fullscren ;)
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| 11:47 | <Hyperbyte> It's good to understand what you are doing before you are doing. :)
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| 11:48 | maslak, interface binding/trunking in Ubuntu is a piece of cake. alkisg configured it for me in ten seconds IIRC. Combine that with your local Firefox, and your problems are history.
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| 11:48 | <garymc> i think my main problem would be getting this internet connection NAT to work on the FAT clients
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| 11:49 | <garymc> Could I work on this while everyone is still logged in and working? Without disprupting them?
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| 11:49 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, NAT is something you configure on the server, not on your modems/etc.
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| 11:49 | You have to enable NAT on the LTSP server
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| 11:49 | !nat
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| 11:49 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: I do not know about 'nat', but I do know about these similar topics: 'nx', 'nfs'
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| 11:49 | <maslak> ok - alkisg, Hyperbyte - thank you verry much for your help - one beer one me if you;ll ever come to poland ;)
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| 11:49 | <Hyperbyte> !learn nat as To set up NAT on your LTSP server, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
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| 11:49 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:49 | <Hyperbyte> There. :)
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> If we had some teleportation machine, I'd be a fat drunk person :D
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| 11:50 | <Hyperbyte> Haha
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| 11:50 | <garymc> im going to Krakow in a couple of weeks, i could drink it for them :P
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| 11:50 | <Hyperbyte> maslak, lots of Polish people come here for work. You can ask them to give me one. :P
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| 11:50 | <- Netherlands
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| 11:51 | <garymc> can you still smoke weed in holland, i heard they were ristricting it for some stupid reason?
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| 11:52 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, you can. If it were up to me, it'd be outlawed through the entire country though.
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| 11:52 | <garymc> i used to smoke weed, probably why i have to read things over and over again.
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| 11:53 | why would you outlaw it? cos of the unwanted tourism or the use of it itself?
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| 11:54 | <Hyperbyte> Because of the bad smell, the criminality it brings to the Netherlands, because of the health risks especially to young people
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| 11:54 | But mostly because of the irresponsibility it brings out in people.
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| 11:54 | <garymc> what about prostitution?
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| 11:55 | <Hyperbyte> Prostitution is confined to certain neighborhoods. It doesn't bother me.
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| 11:55 | <garymc> hmmm
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| 11:55 | intresting
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| 11:55 | :P
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| 11:55 | <Hyperbyte> Street prostitution was outlawed a while ago.
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| 11:55 | garymc, I don't visit hookers, if that's what you're curious about.
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| 11:55 | :)
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| 11:55 | <garymc> me neither
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| 11:56 | been to holland a few times, never visited a brothel , but looked in the red light district
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| 11:56 | <garymc> i better keep re reading this document
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| 11:56 | <Hyperbyte> It's mostly foreign tourists who go there, not the Dutch.
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| 11:56 | I've never been to the red light district in Amsterdam.
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| 11:57 | Walked through one in Deventer once, by accident, with my girlfriend. :)
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| 11:57 | <garymc> They red light in AMstrerdam is mad, some of the women are stunning
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| 11:58 | <garymc> and some not so stunning
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| 11:58 | so im looking at the preeration document
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| 11:58 | <Hyperbyte> I wouldn't go to a hooker for the same reason I don't like using public toilets. :)
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| 11:58 | <garymc> *preperation
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| 11:58 | ha ha me too
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| 11:59 | Extra steps for ubuntu Karmin 9.4 I take it there are no extra steps for 10.4.3 ????
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| 12:00 | <Hyperbyte> You can assume the information in the document is up-to-date.
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| 12:00 | <garymc> and im guessing I have already ran the first Prep commands so wouldnt need to run them again
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| 12:00 | <Hyperbyte> Let's make it simple
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| 12:01 | <garymc> eg; sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 12:01 | <Hyperbyte> Start with things that you can set up for fat clients, without bothering the thin clients
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| 12:01 | No, you already have ltsp-server-standalone
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| 12:01 | LTSP for thin clients and fat clients is same software, just different configuration.
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| 12:01 | <garymc> ok so prep is not needed to follow
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| 12:01 | ok
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| 12:01 | <Hyperbyte> When you are going to do this, you need to make sure you don't erase your thin client config, because that'll cause angry faces. =)
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| 12:01 | Start with setting up NAT. Type !nat
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| 12:02 | <garymc> !nat
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| 12:02 | <ltsp> garymc: nat: To set up NAT on your LTSP server, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
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| 12:02 | <garymc> ok Creating ltsp-build-client.conf , will that mess with current setup?
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| 12:02 | <Hyperbyte> NAT is something you need for fat clients and localapps, but won't make a difference for thin clients. :)
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| 12:03 | garymc, I don't think it will, if you build a different chroot for the fat clients.
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| 12:03 | alkisg is our resident fat client expert.
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> ltsp-build-client.conf is only used when one runs ltsp-build-client
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| 12:03 | It affects both NEW thin and fat chroots
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| 12:03 | Not old chroots
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| 12:04 | <garymc> old chroot is one currently being used nad not booted up yet?
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| 12:04 | *and
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> It's much easier to mv the old chroot somewhere else, before creating a fat chroot. This way no dhcpd editing is needed
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| 12:04 | old chroot = your current /opt/ltsp
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| 12:04 | <garymc> dhcpd editing ... ARRRRH
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| 12:04 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, dhcpd editing will be easy now. :P
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| 12:04 | <garymc> oh ok
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| 12:04 | :)
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| 12:05 | <Hyperbyte> But after taking in this information, forget about fat clients for a while, and set up NAT.
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| 12:05 | <garymc> ok
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| 12:05 | <Hyperbyte> Use the !nat guide, but take care with the last step of '5' in the document. Because your use NetworkManager, it needs to go a little different.
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| 12:05 | Let me know when you get there.
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| 12:09 | <garymc> ok
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| 12:21 | <garymc> i have just ran "route print" on my windows laptop with netwrok cable connected and It doesnt see the default gateway of 192.168.0.254 it just shows 127.0.0.1
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| 12:21 | hyperbyte part 3 of guide
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| 12:24 | so i is stuck, as there is no explanation if it doens twork here :S
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| 12:25 | <Hyperbyte> Type ipconfig /all
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| 12:25 | Does that show the default gateway?
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| 12:25 | <garymc> on my pc laptop?
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| 12:26 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, the Windows one.
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| 12:26 | <garymc> nope doesnt show it
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| 12:26 | media state disconnected
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| 12:26 | ??
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| 12:27 | <Hyperbyte> Means cable isn't plugged in. =)
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| 12:27 | <garymc> it is
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| 12:27 | i can also PXE boot this lappy
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| 12:27 | so cable definatleyis connected
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| 12:27 | <Hyperbyte> So ipconfig /all doesn't show an IP address?
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| 12:28 | <garymc> nope
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| 12:28 | ok it does now
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| 12:28 | its shows 192.168.1.254
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| 12:28 | not .0.254
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| 12:29 | <Hyperbyte> Check your dhcpd.conf
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| 12:29 | <garymc> but thats showing the wirless and bluetooth adapters ip
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| 12:29 | on the lappy
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| 12:29 | i switch that off and it shows nothing
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| 12:29 | <Hyperbyte> Then it's connected via wireless, not the local LAN.
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| 12:30 | <garymc> LAN is supposed to supercede it it hought
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| 12:30 | <Hyperbyte> Just use a regular thin client, much easier.
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| 12:30 | Reboot a thin client and type 'ip route show' in a local xterm.
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| 12:30 | <garymc> part three tells me to use a pc
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| 12:30 | <Hyperbyte> Thin client is also a PC. :)
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| 12:30 | <garymc> ok
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| 12:34 | !xterm
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| 12:34 | <ltsp> garymc: I do not know about 'xterm', but I do know about these similar topics: 'localxterm'
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| 12:43 | <garymc> hyperbyte : Xterm states: 192.168.0.0/24 eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.0.21 default via 192.168.0.254 dev eth0
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| 12:47 | is that correct?
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| 12:47 | it looks it
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| 12:49 | <jammcq> !seen cliebow
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| 12:49 | <ltsp> jammcq: cliebow was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 39 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <cliebow> going to paint the porch...
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| 12:49 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 12:49 | wonder how that porch painting is going
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> jammcq: I've filled my flight details at the wiki page, anything else I need to do, e.g. hotel reservation or something?
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| 12:51 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, yeah, that's correct.
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> yeah, I saw that. don't worry about the hotel reservations. I'll let them know how many rooms we need.
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| 12:51 | <garymc> yeah it showed in mac ethernet connection too
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| 12:51 | ok Hyperbyte im onto Step 5 :)
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> I think you'll find it's a very casual type thing
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| 12:52 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, do the first two. When you get to /etc/network/interfaces, lemme knwo.
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| 12:52 | <garymc> the first two of 5 ?
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| 12:52 | <Hyperbyte> In the guide '5.' consists of three steps.
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> ty :)
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| 12:55 | <garymc> ok im upto this bit "and add the extra line up iptables-restore < /etc/ltsp/nat to the bottom of the eth0 (or whichever is your LTSP interface) stanza of /etc/network/interfaces so it looks something like "
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| 12:55 | im confused by it all
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| 12:55 | well by that bit
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| 12:56 | ok now i see, thats the third part you was talking about
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| 12:57 | <Hyperbyte> Pastebin the NetworkManager dispatcher.d file we made, the 02dhcpfix
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| 12:58 | <garymc> where is it stored
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| 12:58 | Sorry its my past weed abuse in my younger years has my memory failed
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| 12:58 | <Hyperbyte> :P
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| 12:58 | <garymc> found it
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| 13:00 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/XwaBUJa3
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| 13:01 | <Hyperbyte> Okay... this file needs to be modified so it restarts dhcp3-server on eth1 up, and reloads the firewall on eth0 up.
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| 13:01 | <charles_> Hi Everybody. I have an interesting problem with the LDM screen. The time on that does not give me the correct time. Is LDM getting it from the client's BIOS?
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| 13:01 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, http://pastebin.com/4a0UD77X
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> charles_: yes, you can set TIMESERVER in lts.conf to automatically sync the time
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| 13:02 | <Hyperbyte> charles_, it's getting it from the clients internal clock, yes. You can get the thin client to sync the time by setting up an NTP server and ... doing what alkisg just said. :)
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| 13:03 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : Done
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| 13:03 | <charles_> alkisg: Hyperbyte: Thanks for that. A little bit added to my work list.
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, just to make sure, add '/sbin/' in front of iptables-restore. /sbin/iptables-restore
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| 13:04 | <garymc> in that file?
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, naturally.
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| 13:04 | <garymc> done
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| 13:05 | <Hyperbyte> Continue with step six, and make sure you run the ping test command in a localxterm.
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| 13:06 | <garymc> ok
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| 13:11 | <garymc> ping what in localxterm hyperbyte? google ?
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| 13:12 | <Hyperbyte> See guide.
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| 13:13 | <garymc> should i reboot client as I couldnt ping nothing
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| 13:13 | <Hyperbyte> . Test: Reboot the test PC again, to update its DNS server. Try pinging a real world server from the test PC by name, eg
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| 13:13 | Please -read- guide.
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| 13:14 | <garymc> yes it works
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| 13:14 | I had to reboot client first
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| 13:14 | :)
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| 13:14 | so Nat works
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| 13:14 | <Hyperbyte> It says so in the guide. :)
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| 13:14 | <garymc> There you go
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| 13:14 | where from here?
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| 13:15 | I know back to other guide but what step should I start on which will not break my current system?
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| 13:16 | <Hyperbyte> Client chroots (the actual client software) are kept in /opt/ltsp/
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| 13:17 | There are currently two folders there on your system, amd64 and images.
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| 13:17 | <garymc> ok
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| 13:17 | <Hyperbyte> 'images' contains the NBD network images LTSP creates - do not touch! 'amd64' is your current thin client software.
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| 13:17 | Rename that folder. 'mv amd64 amd64.thin', for example
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| 13:18 | Then you can build a new client, without destroying the old.
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| 13:19 | Are you sure you need a mixed setup, or will fat-clients only work for you?
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| 13:19 | <garymc> FAT CLIENTS will be fine as long as I buy more of the same workstations I have
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| 13:20 | <Hyperbyte> Can be different. Like with thin clients, it'll work with any hardware that is supported. Can be different machines. As long as they're not too slow or have too little ram.
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| 13:20 | <garymc> so right now what do I need to do
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| 13:20 | :s
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| 13:21 | <Hyperbyte> Follow the guide. :)
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| 13:21 | <garymc> from which point
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| 13:21 | this part : Creating ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 13:21 | <Hyperbyte> Creating ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 13:21 | Yep.
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| 13:21 | <garymc> and I wont break nothing
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| 13:21 | ?
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| 13:21 | <Hyperbyte> But only -after- you have renamed the amd64 directory as I said above.
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| 13:22 | You will replace thin clients with fat when you run sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 13:22 | But since you still have the amd64.thin folder, you -can- go back if needed.
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| 13:22 | Also, you won't disturb any currently logged in users.
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| 13:22 | Only new logins.
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| 13:30 | <garymc> so if I type :
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| 13:30 | mv amd64 amd64.thin
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| 13:30 | that will rename it?
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| 13:30 | <Hyperbyte> mv <oldname> <newname>
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| 13:31 | Don't forget to 'cd' to the correct folder first.
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| 13:31 | <garymc> where is that folder?
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| 13:31 | <Hyperbyte> 15:16 <Hyperbyte> Client chroots (the actual client software) are kept in /opt/ltsp/
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| 13:31 | <garymc> is it /etc/ltsp?
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| 13:31 | ahhh sorry
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| 13:32 | ok renamed
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| 13:37 | Hyperbyte : the part that bothers me is change that file to suite my needs. I dont know my needs :S
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| 13:38 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, look over the options in the file, see if there's anything you want to change.
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| 13:39 | You'll probably want to change the ARCH to amd64
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| 13:40 | <[GuS]> Hi guys, i've built a LTSP 32bits client inside Gentoo 64Bits env. Now, when i try to enter to the chroot env i got: chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error. I used the cmd: linux32 chroot /opt/ltsp/x86/ /bin/bash. Any tip?
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| 13:40 | <garymc> ok
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| 13:40 | <Hyperbyte> [GuS], hm... not sure about Gentoo... setarch i386 chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 13:40 | Try that.
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| 13:41 | <[GuS]> Well in gentoo the common is linux32. I will test that
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| 13:41 | <Hyperbyte> No tip then. :)
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| 13:42 | Perhaps the 'ltsp-chroot' command works better, if Gentoo has it.
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| 13:42 | <[GuS]> Hyperbyte: setarch: i386: Unrecognized architecture, also x86 not works. But well, supposed that linux32 should work
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| 13:42 | lets see
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| 13:42 | Hyperbyte: does not :S
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| 13:42 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 13:42 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : whats late packages?
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| 13:42 | <[GuS]> (does not have it)
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| 13:43 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, it says so right above in the comments.
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| 13:43 | <garymc> so i just leave it. i thought I might have had to add firefox or something?
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| 13:44 | <Hyperbyte> I think it will install firefox anyways, but you can always install programs later as well.
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| 13:44 | <garymc> ok
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| 13:44 | so leave as is should be fine
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| 13:49 | Hyperbyte : Do I follow all the way to Troubleshooting?
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| 13:49 | as im nearly there :)
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| 13:54 | <garymc> sudo ltsp-build-client <--- this takes a while huh
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| 13:58 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, that'll take quite awhile.
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| 13:58 | Basically it's installing Ubuntu. :)
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| 14:01 | <garymc> ok everyones comps has just gone off
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| 14:01 | <Hyperbyte> Heh... how many angry people do you have hovering around your desk at the moment? :-D
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| 14:02 | alkisg? :)
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| 14:02 | <garymc> could the download of ubuntu be killing the internet?
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| 14:02 | <TheMatrix30001> garymc: oh, i definitely know that feeling
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| 14:03 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, it could, but it couldn't turn off all the clients.
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| 14:03 | <garymc> I cant get google or nothing
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| 14:03 | <Hyperbyte> Weird question, but is the LTSP server still responsive?
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| 14:03 | <garymc> ubuntu unpacking, does that mean its finished downloading and is now installing
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| 14:04 | <Hyperbyte> Probably. I've never actually done this before. :-D
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| 14:04 | <garymc> dont say that
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| 14:04 | <Hyperbyte> Hahah
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| 14:04 | alkisg is our resident fat client expert. :)
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| 14:04 | He can fix any problem, if you buy him a beer.
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| 14:05 | Still you know, might as well let it finish building now... clients should be ready to go when it's done.
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| 14:05 | <knipwim> [GuS]: i just use the chroot command
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| 14:05 | no linux32
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| 14:06 | to chroot into my 32bit clients on my 64 bit server
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| 14:06 | never had any problems with that
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| 14:06 | <garymc> how do I know if its booting FAT or THIN?
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| 14:06 | <[GuS]> knipwim: i cant, it gives me that error... indeed i did it before and works,... now does not
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| 14:06 | :(
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| 14:06 | Since o reboot my server now i cant... i dont know why
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| 14:07 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, easy, you open an xterm. :)
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| 14:07 | * knipwim worries | |
| 14:07 | <Hyperbyte> If the xterm opens on the client, it's fat, if it's on the server, it's thin.
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| 14:07 | <knipwim> havent restarted my server for more than a year now
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| 14:08 | <[GuS]> knipwim: is just a new server, i moved the place and restarted...
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| 14:08 | <Hyperbyte> Also you can check what processes are running, to make extra sure. If you have an xterm on the client and type "ps aux" you should see a whole boatload of Gnome processes
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| 14:08 | <knipwim> [GuS]: so both the chroot and the linux32 chroot cmds are giving you grief?
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| 14:09 | <[GuS]> knipwim: yes, which is weird.
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| 14:11 | <knipwim> i'm not really an expert (and going away now)
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| 14:11 | but have you checked the linux32 man page?
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| 14:12 | maybe there are some tips
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| 14:13 | perhaps use linux32 chroot /opt/ltsp/x86 /bin/sh ?
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| 14:14 | going from this screen now
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| 14:15 | <[GuS]> Oks, i will test with sh
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| 14:15 | <knipwim> you could file a bugreport or ask in #gentoo
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| 14:15 | <[GuS]> either works grrr... i wonder why was working before
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| 14:15 | <knipwim> it works!?
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| 14:16 | <[GuS]> knipwim: nope... i will ask in gentoo then..
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| 14:16 | <Hyperbyte> Pardon my ignorance in Gentoo matters
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| 14:16 | But I'd guess /bin/sh is referring to the /bin/sh outside the chroot, rather than inside
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| 14:17 | So it tries to run 64-bit /bin/sh inside 32-bit chroot
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| 14:17 | Possible?
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| 14:17 | <Hyperbyte> What happens when you leave out /bin/sh completely? Just linux32 chroot /opt/ltsp/x86 ?
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| 14:17 | <garymc> ok thats finished
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| 14:17 | <[GuS]> Mmm could be..
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| 14:17 | <garymc> should I boot client now?
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| 14:17 | <[GuS]> Hyperbyte: same error
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| 14:18 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, try
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| 14:18 | [GuS], okay... worth a try I guess...
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| 14:18 | <ry> have any of you managed to get 4 or more screens working on a wyse r90?
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| 14:18 | (running suse)
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| 14:18 | <[GuS]> I think i should test to build the client again...
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| 14:21 | <TheMatrix30001> should i add teh stgraber ppa?
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| 14:21 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : seems to be running slow as shit!!!
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| 14:22 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, seriously?
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| 14:22 | <garymc> yeah firefox loads dead slow
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| 14:22 | and it was asking for security certs and all that
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| 14:22 | <[GuS]> knipwim: building the client again fails when the ltsp script tries to chroot with linux32.
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| 14:22 | <garymc> I take it its very hard to revert
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| 14:22 | <[GuS]> Something is wrong in my system...
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| 14:23 | <garymc> secerity certs cos I connect to a https site
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| 14:23 | never used to ask that
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| 14:23 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, it's easy to revert, but let's try and fix this first, ok?
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| 14:23 | <garymc> ok
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| 14:24 | <Hyperbyte> Open a regular Gnome terminal. Is it running on the client, or server?
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| 14:24 | <dberkholz> Hyperbyte: no, that's not how chroot works
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| 14:24 | the final command is what gets executed upon switching into the new root
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| 14:24 | <garymc> actually seems to be ok
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| 14:25 | hold on
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| 14:25 | <Hyperbyte> dberkholz, I was just guessing. ;-)
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| 14:26 | garymc, maybe it was slow because of all your clients booting at once?
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| 14:27 | <TheMatrix30001> i think the later
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| 14:27 | <garymc> no only one booted
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| 14:27 | so I wanna check xterm what should I type
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| 14:28 | <[GuS]> dberkholz: I dont know what could it be... chroot on 32bits is failing in anycase... theonly diff i did before restart the server was compiling the kernel
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| 14:28 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, what does your prompt look like?
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| 14:28 | <[GuS]> I will dig what i changed.
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| 14:28 | <garymc> gary@ltsp21: ~$
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| 14:28 | <dberkholz> can you run anything 32-bit on the server? wonder if you're missing x86 emul in your kernel or something
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| 14:29 | check your server kernel config for CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION
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| 14:31 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, that's fat, then. It's slow with starting programs, right?
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| 14:31 | And after the programs have started it's fine, right? It's not slow with clicking menu's or dragging windows?
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| 14:31 | <garymc> a little
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| 14:31 | no its fine
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| 14:31 | one thing is, each FAT client has the wrong dates and times in them
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| 14:32 | is that just a personal setting?
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| 14:32 | for each unit
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| 14:33 | <Hyperbyte> For that you need to set up a timeserver on the LTSP server, and set TIMESERVER and TIMEZONE in lts.conf
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| 14:34 | <garymc> I thought that was already done
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| 14:34 | <Hyperbyte> Run sudo apt-get install ntp on the server
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| 14:34 | <garymc> ok
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| 14:34 | command finished
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| 14:34 | is that it?
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| 14:35 | <Hyperbyte> Type ntpq
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| 14:35 | And then pe
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| 14:35 | <garymc> done
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| 14:35 | dont know what any of it means though
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| 14:35 | i see IP and offset etc
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| 14:36 | <Hyperbyte> Good
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| 14:36 | Now edit your lts.conf
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| 14:36 | And set TIMEZONE and TIMESERVER
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| 14:37 | TIMESERVER=<ip of your ltsp server>
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| 14:37 | <garymc> it just locked
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| 14:37 | <Hyperbyte> TIMEZONE=Europe/London
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| 14:37 | Locked?
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| 14:37 | <garymc> my terminal in mac locked
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| 14:37 | <Hyperbyte> I don't understand what that means.
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| 14:39 | <TheMatrix30001> what is your opinion of using NBD swap?
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| 14:40 | <garymc> lts.conf cant find it again :S
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| 14:41 | terminal keeps crashing :S
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| 14:41 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, SSH to the server
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| 14:42 | <garymc> on my mac via ssh
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| 14:42 | i have done]
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| 14:42 | <Hyperbyte> Your SSH terminal to the server keeps crashing?
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| 14:43 | <garymc> yes its ok now
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| 14:43 | musta been my net connection
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| 14:43 | I cant find lts.conf
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| 14:43 | find -name lts.conf
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| 14:44 | <Hyperbyte> find . -name "lts.conf"
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| 14:44 | <garymc> i just typed that command above
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| 14:44 | <Hyperbyte> But it's in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/
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| 14:44 | <garymc> withouth the .
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| 14:44 | <Hyperbyte> Actually, should be find / -name "lts.conf" to search entire disk
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| 14:44 | But the path I just gave you is correct.
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| 14:44 | <m4xx> what's the proper way to use the evtouch driver? "X_TOUCH_DRIVER = evtouch_drv.so" ?
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| 14:46 | <garymc> ok thanks
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| 14:46 | ill reboot client now see if it works
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| 14:46 | 192.168.0.254 is the IP I used TIMESERVER, thats correct yes?
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| 14:49 | <Hyperbyte> 16:37 <Hyperbyte> TIMESERVER=<ip of your ltsp server>
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| 14:49 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : Just rebooted two clients one is still at slpash screen, other has been veyifying password for a while now and no movement
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| 14:49 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, that's nuts. You need alkisg for this stuff.
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| 14:50 | <garymc> shit
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| 14:50 | <Hyperbyte> Not shit. :P
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| 14:50 | alkisg is very helpful and nice. :P
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| 14:50 | <garymc> timeserver
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| 14:50 | just to confirm my ip of ltsp server is 192.168.0.254
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| 14:50 | is it?
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| 14:50 | <Hyperbyte> Type 'ifconfig' on the server
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| 14:51 | <garymc> yep
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| 14:51 | eth0 or eth1
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| 14:51 | eth0 is 192.168.0.254
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| 14:51 | I think NTP has messed shit up
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| 14:51 | <Hyperbyte> I think you need to debug a little.
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| 14:52 | Type 'top' on the server
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| 14:52 | <garymc> no eth1 is that ip above
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| 14:52 | <Hyperbyte> Is there some process using insanely much CPU?
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| 14:52 | <garymc> nope
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| 14:52 | 2 is highest
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| 14:53 | working now
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| 14:53 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, ctrl+c
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| 14:53 | Type 'free -m' on the server
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| 14:53 | How much swap is free?
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| 14:53 | <garymc> 8476
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| 14:54 | <Hyperbyte> Also good
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| 14:54 | <garymc> time and date still wrong on Clients
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| 14:54 | <Hyperbyte> Server should have no reason then to kill your SSH connection
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| 14:54 | <garymc> cool
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| 14:54 | <Hyperbyte> Type netstat -lpn | grep ntpd
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| 14:55 | <garymc> ok
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| 14:55 | <Hyperbyte> (I don't think that's correct command, moment)
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| 14:56 | Actually, yes, that is correct.
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| 14:58 | <garymc> ok so what am i looking for
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| 14:58 | should i paste it?
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| 14:59 | <Hyperbyte> Yesplease.
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| 14:59 | <Hyperbyte> Also - I will be leaving for my evening job in ... well, now actually.
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| 15:00 | I'm sure alkisg will be around in the near future.
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| 15:00 | <garymc> http://pastebin.com/5m8zDe8e
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| 15:00 | bugger
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| 15:01 | :(
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| 15:01 | alkisg : Since FAT clients are your speciality, im having issues with my FAT CLIENTS Time and date in the GNOME
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| 15:01 | any advice please
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| 15:02 | <Hyperbyte> That paste looks okay by the way. It might simply be that your LTSP server isn't syncronized completely yet.
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| 15:03 | <garymc> ahh ok does that take long?
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| 15:03 | or doe sit need a reboot?
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| 15:03 | <Hyperbyte> No idea. You can check with 'ntpq' and then 'pe'
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| 15:04 | If the 'offset' looks reasonable (e.g, nothing over 5 seconds), it should be doing okay
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| 15:04 | Gone now!
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| 15:04 | <garymc> ok have fun
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| 15:04 | thanks
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| 15:11 | <m4xx> morning sir ;]
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| 15:14 | <garymc> anyone know how I get the correct date and time for my FAT clients?
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| 15:14 | they display the wrong date and times
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| 15:18 | <m4xx> Gadi, i found a log of you discussing the setup of a touch screen. I've also found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244884 . I've removed the previous driver i attempted to use and installed xserver-xorg-input-evtouch. This is the entry i have my lts.conf: http://paste2.org/p/1640533 The mouse still moves to the top left of the screen no matter where i touch. Any ideas?
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| 15:20 | <[GuS]> I still have the problem withe chroot :(
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| 15:20 | <m4xx> ?
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| 15:21 | <[GuS]> m4xx: i've built a LTSP 32bits client inside Gentoo 64Bits env. Now, when i try to enter to the chroot env i got: chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error. I used the cmd: linux32 chroot /opt/ltsp/x86/ /bin/bash. Any tip?
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| 15:21 | I did it before and was working... now since i've reboot the server i cant
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| 15:21 | dont know why
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| 15:23 | <Gadi> m4xx: does evtouch support your model touchscreen?
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| 15:24 | m4xx: right now, it sounds like you have the wrong driver completely
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| 15:24 | m4xx: before, it was only one axis that was off
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| 15:24 | m4xx: which sounded like a config thing and not a driver thing
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| 15:27 | <m4xx> GuS how did you create the chroot?
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| 15:47 | <[GuS]> m4xx: like the LTSP gentoo guide says.
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| 15:47 | m4xx: but was working after installing ltsp and so on...
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| 15:47 | m4xx: since rebooted the server does not work anymore giving me that error..
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| 15:47 | <m4xx> /opt/ltsp/x86 does exist right?
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| 15:47 | <[GuS]> Also, tried to build fresh ltsp client and it fails cause of the same problem... which is weird
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| 15:48 | m4xx: yes..
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| 15:48 | ehmm... like i said, was working before restarted the server
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| 15:48 | <m4xx> do you need to mount proc and sys?
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| 15:48 | n/m
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| 15:50 | <[GuS]> I discovered this since i wanted to modify some stuff on the chroot... and now i cant enter and neither i cant rebuild ltsp client... is very weird
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| 15:51 | <m4xx> update the image or re-create it?
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| 15:53 | <[GuS]> m4xx: you mean the ltsp client?
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| 15:53 | <m4xx> yeah
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| 15:53 | <[GuS]> like i said, i cant.... the ltsp client script gives me the same error in the step that tries to enter the chroot.
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| 15:53 | So, something happen to my system env.
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| 15:54 | And i dont know what... since i did it sucessfully yesterday.
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| 16:01 | <markit> hi ppl, hi alkisg :) do you know if I can install GNU on a usb pen like it were a "normal" hd driver (so grub, ext4, swap, etc) and have it boot from a PC? Or just FAT32 is recognized and boot has to be particular?
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| 16:01 | I have to provide GNU to teachers's computers in a easy way
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| 16:01 | (well, if anyone else knows the answer, is welcomed)
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> I don't know about GNU, but you can install e.g. ubuntu on a usb pen or external hard disk, sure
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| 16:06 | <markit> alkisg: I've found this answer: http://tuxradar.com/content/how-install-linux-usb-flash-drive seems that live cd on usb can be modified, I thought was mounted read only
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| 16:06 | also he says livecd installation are optimized to reduce disk writes, so should preserve usb live longer
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| 16:07 | <garymc> alkisg : do you know how I get my FAT clients to display correct date and time?
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| 16:08 | <markit> I ask because I was trying to boot from usb on my children pc but seems that FAT32 are recognized, while Kubuntu usb live is ignored. now I seen in dmesg that there are other kind of problems I did not noticed :(
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| 16:09 | urgh, is not recognized at all
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| 16:09 | I can't re-partition or reformat or anything (8gb usb sigh)
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| 17:13 | <TheMatrix30001> it'd be really nice if I new or had more documentation on ltsp-cluster stuff
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| 18:01 | <m4xx> Thanks gadi, it was a setting issue =]
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> markit: the bios doesn't know about file systems, it only knows enough to load the mbr
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| 18:29 | So a usb stick can have either fat32 or ext3 or whatever
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| 18:29 | Makes no difference to BIOS
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| 18:29 | I have an external disk which I use for a roaming ltsp server
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| 18:29 | Works fine in all labs, no problems whatsoever
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| 18:37 | garymc, or Hyperbyte if you want to help him tomorrow: the time problem with LTSP clients was solved in this commit: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1816
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| 19:43 | <garymc> Hello
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| 19:50 | <dead_inside> hi
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| 20:33 | <garymc> Hyperbyte you about?
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| 20:34 | it is Friday night , you shouldnt be
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| 20:53 | <Hyperbyte> I am though.
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| 20:53 | Just got home from work.
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| 20:53 | Speaking of friday night. ;-)
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| 20:54 | <Hyperbyte> ncd209:37 <alkisg> garymc, or Hyperbyte if you want to help him tomorrow: the time problem with LTSP clients was solved in this commit: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1816
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| 20:55 | <Hyperbyte> Click 'Expand all' there
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| 20:56 | Then search for the file 'ltsp-init-common' on your server
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| 20:56 | Presumably /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common
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| 20:57 | Then search for the line in red on the revision webpage, and replace it with the line in green.
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| 20:57 | Be extremely careful not to make any mistakes though, and triple-check the line after you've modified it.
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| 20:58 | Has to be 100% exact.
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| 21:17 | <garymc> just seen this
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| 21:35 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : done all that, do I need to restart anything?
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| 21:42 | <Hyperbyte> After you modify anything in /opt/ltsp/ (the client) you need to run ltsp-update-image
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| 21:42 | And then reboot the client.
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| 21:50 | <garymc> ahh ok
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| 21:51 | thats the big update
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| 21:51 | if I got the line of code wrong would that break my system?
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| 21:51 | or just mess the time up
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| 21:51 | ?
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| 21:53 | <Hyperbyte> Break thin client boot.
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| 21:54 | You'll have to correct the line then. :)
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| 22:00 | <garymc> Fat clients be ok?
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| 22:01 | <Hyperbyte> Sorry, I meant break fat client boot.
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| 22:01 | Just try it man... if it doesn't work, just fix.
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| 22:01 | Plus, if you copy-pasted the line you can't go wrong.
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| 22:10 | <garymc> yeah i copy pasted, and im not in work, so ill find out tommorow
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| 22:10 | :P
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| 22:16 | <garymc> right im off to bed, cheers for the help Hyperbyte, babys get pissed off and wants to goto sleep , so doe sthe missus. Have a good weekend all
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| 23:12 | <solaris> Hi everyone, I'm new to the channel but using LTSP for about a year. I noticed that my appservers has an uneven load average all the time, what can I do to make the appservers better balanced?
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