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Channel log from 10 January 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:26 | <muppis> alkisg, I think that Xubuntu's 'hanging' is actually caused by missing mouse. Some windowses stops responding to keyboard after losing focus and getting it back.
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| 02:03 | <gnunux> hi
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| 05:58 | <hahlo> hello, any problems if fatclient got better hardware than server?
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| 06:00 | <muppis> Well, I only that you should really consider upgrading the server..
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| 06:00 | I think..
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| 06:01 | <alkisg> hahlo: not at all, e.g. the server in fat client installations doesn't need any cpu at all
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| 06:01 | <alkisg> RAM can be used for caching, so it's good to have enough ram, and disk/network speed are also required
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| 06:02 | (unless you have lots of ram on the server, so in that case you don't even need a fast disk)
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| 06:04 | <muppis> alkisg, I think I'll try that thin's local installation.. If I can find low profile bracket for wlan card, so i can fit it in case.
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| 06:05 | <hahlo> ok thanks again
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| 06:09 | <muppis> alkisg, is all (basic) client software in ltsp-client and ltsp-client-core -packages?
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> muppis: and in ltsp-build-client, it modifies the chroot so that it can be used as a thin client
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| 06:10 | I'd like it better if ltsp-build-client didn't do that, and those changes were part of the ltsp-client-core package or were done in the runtime, from the initramfs on the cow disk...
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| 06:10 | <muppis> What modifications it does, as do I really need it?
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| 06:11 | <alkisg> ls -lha /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu
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| 06:11 | Some you need, some you don't
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| 06:15 | <hahlo> is it possible to build ltsp-fatclient on fedora 14 too? (it was easy on ubuntu) any documentation anywhere?
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| 07:36 | <mgariepy> morning everyone
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| 07:36 | <robehend1> mornin
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| 08:29 | <pmatulis> good morning everybody
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| 08:31 | logging in as root causes every client sessin to terminate. normal?
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| 08:31 | *session
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| 08:33 | <highvoltage> good morning
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| 08:33 | <elias_a> Good morning?
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| 08:33 | <highvoltage> or afternoon, depending on where you are :)
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| 08:33 | <elias_a> Are you guys sitting upside down? :D
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| 08:34 | <highvoltage> well, that's not how timezones work :)
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| 08:34 | (but I'm in Canada, so I'm relatively upside down)
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| 08:35 | <elias_a> highvoltage: :D
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| 09:44 | <pmatulis> is there a known LTSP issue with logging in as root user? other client sessions are terminated. i know you can set this behaviour (no simultaneous sessions with same user) but why would root be logged in for every session?
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| 09:56 | <muppis> You login as root from client?
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| 11:11 | <pmatulis> muppis: i'm helping someone and i don't have that info yet. can you say more?
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| 11:12 | <evil_root> you dont log into a graphical session as root
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| 11:13 | you just dont
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| 11:22 | <pmatulis> evil_root: let me guess, it's evil
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| 11:23 | <evil_root> and x has the potential for screwing up your system
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| 11:23 | <pmatulis> evil_root: can you elaborate?
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| 11:24 | <evil_root> not really, its just something i have herd in the many years i have been playing with linux
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| 11:45 | <m4xx> i'm updating the greeter to use glade instead of the static layout, is there any reason why i shouln't do so?
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| 12:20 | <pmatulis> is timeoutd a trusted tool in the ltsp world?
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| 12:21 | i want to log out idle users (say after 2 hrs)
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| 12:52 | <gothaggis> hello, i'm having a problem with some new thin clients I bought - they will not boot - they were getting stuck on (or just before) the splash screen. I disabled the splash screen and this is where it is hanging: ipconfig: no devices to configure /init: line 1: can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 12:52 | any ideas?
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| 12:53 | these are Shuttle x35 clients that use the Realtek RTL8191SE network card
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> do they have 2 NICs on board?
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| 12:53 | <gothaggis> no just 1
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> then, the initramfs must lack a driver for the NIC
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| 12:54 | what distro?
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| 12:54 | <gothaggis> ubuntu jaunty
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> ah, prolly jaunty's too old
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| 12:54 | can you upgrade?
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| 12:55 | <gothaggis> yeah i can probably upgrade without issue
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| 13:22 | <Barcelo> hello!
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| 13:23 | I am learnins about LTSP...
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| 13:23 | I had configure my 1th server ltsp :)
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| 13:24 | but, how I can enable ports USB in the clients?
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> gothaggis: you might find this useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
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| 13:24 | <Barcelo> sorry, my english not is good!
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| 13:25 | <evil_root> Barcelo try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 13:28 | <Barcelo> ok thk!
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| 13:29 | I am use ltsp in debian lenny
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| 13:30 | with LXDE
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| 13:49 | <Lns> Hi all
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| 13:50 | <robehend1> hello
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> Hey Lns, long time no see
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| 13:50 | Switched completely to Debian?
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| 13:50 | <Lns> I've been playing around with F14 recently, it's really nice...what's the status on LTSP support in it? I know the maintainers have been back and forth on it
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| 13:50 | hi alkisg =)
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| 13:51 | yeah I've been really busy with my bread+butter biz (windows support...ugh)
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| 13:51 | <robehend1> i know the feeling :(
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| 13:51 | <Lns> robehend1: hehe
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> Ugh... Heh, so on the linux-side you're still distro-hunting? :D
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| 13:51 | <Lns> alkisg: I am *always* distro hunting now hehe
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| 13:52 | Debian is great but I am exploring other desktop-style options for things like LTSP, unfortunately support for them, as we know, isn't as good as debian/ubuntu
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| 13:52 | Fedora is very nice though so far, haven't played with it in many moons
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| 13:53 | alkisg: what have you been up to?
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> I've been struggling to spend less time on linux and more on my phd, with little success :P
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| 13:53 | <Lns> hehe!! That's been a long struggle for you hasn't it
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| 13:54 | well my Mr. Miagee side wants to tell you, 'the big gears turn slowly, but they do turn'
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> I'm in the middle, 1.5 years behind me and 1.5 left ahead of me
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| 13:54 | Heh, I hope so :)
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| 13:54 | <Lns> that's not bad
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| 13:55 | well if you have 1.5 years behind you, your phd gear has turned 1/2 a revolution hehe
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| 13:55 | <highvoltage> I installed LTSP on Debian last week, it's not as nice as on Ubuntu, I'm quite curious to see what it looks like on Fedora
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| 13:56 | <Lns> I've been really thinking hard about how to start a venture involving LTSP - an Internet cafe of sorts, but for people/areas that have little money, so there is a good resource to get online and do things like post your resume, look for work, study, etc.
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| 13:56 | <highvoltage> I need to ask some stuff about that to vagrantc when he's around again
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| 13:56 | * m4xx wishes there was a port for fbsd | |
| 13:56 | <Lns> hi highvoltage =)
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| 13:56 | highvoltage: what don't you like about it on debian?
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| 13:56 | <highvoltage> hey Lns
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| 13:56 | <robehend1> Lns: I do that with our local boys and girls club. up to 20 workstations atm
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| 13:57 | <highvoltage> Lns: there were a few things. it installs an /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file, but doesn't use it. It uses nfs by default, but doesn't configure /etc/exports
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| 13:57 | <Lns> robehend1: that's awesome, I had a small (11 client) LTSP system at a local BGC a few years ago
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| 13:57 | <highvoltage> Lns: it's a bit different than the just-works configuration you get on ubuntu
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| 13:58 | <robehend1> Lns: has been going for about a year now. Kids love it, and their parents come in to do the same things you state there. I'm hoping to get one into the local womens shelter by the end of the fiscal
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| 13:58 | <Lns> highvoltage: if you want, I have a procedure for installing ltsp on debian that's pretty solid (imho) that does step by step
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| 13:58 | robehend1: where do you live?
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| 13:58 | <highvoltage> Lns: I could get it working just fine, that's not the problem, I care more for the users who don't know how LTSP works
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| 13:58 | <robehend1> <-----
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| 13:59 | <highvoltage> Lns: there's no reason why it can't work more or less as well as it does in Ubuntu
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| 13:59 | <Lns> highvoltage: well the users won't be fiddling with that stuff will they? ;)
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| 13:59 | <highvoltage> Lns: LTSP users, as apposed to end-users
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| 14:00 | <Lns> highvoltage: ah
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| 14:00 | well, those things are minor details really imho..as long as you know what you're doing it shouldn't be difficult at all
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| 14:00 | knowing what you're doing is the thing though
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| 14:01 | <highvoltage> indeed, but that's not an excuse for having a dodgy default configuration
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| 14:01 | <Lns> and with ltsp, doesn't really matter how easy it is to install, you're going to have to get your hands dirty at some point and understand the underlying mechanisms
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| 14:01 | eh, I wouldn't call it dodgy at all
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| 14:01 | maybe "failsafe"
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| 14:01 | <highvoltage> what's failsafe about installing configuration files that it won't use?
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| 14:01 | <Lns> you wouldn't want to accidentally overwrite an existing dhcpd.conf just by installing ltsp for instance
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| 14:01 | <robehend1> getting LTSP up and going is certaintly easier than writing the check for Citrix
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| 14:02 | <highvoltage> robehend1: the alternate dhcp configuration in /etc/ltsp exists for that exact reason
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| 14:03 | <Lns> Using NFS by default isn't necessarily a problem either..
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| 14:03 | <highvoltage> and I didn't say that it was
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| 14:03 | <Lns> ah you meant that it didn't configure exports
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| 14:04 | <highvoltage> well, I did explicitely say that
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| 14:04 | * Lns looks at his notes | |
| 14:04 | <Lns> hmm, i've never had to manually configure exports
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| 14:05 | <highvoltage> Lns: this was on updated squeeze last week
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| 14:05 | <Lns> ah
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| 14:05 | living close to the edge ;)
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| 14:06 | <highvoltage> it's mostly in final stages of release, so what's there now is pretty much what's going to be final release
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| 14:06 | <Lns> If anyone is interested here are my personal notes for installing LTSP on Debian Lenny: http://pastebin.com/hzimyaD8
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| 14:07 | As long as I follow those instructions i have a 'perfect setup' =)
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| 14:07 | <robehend1> say, out of curiosity..if i was to install a minimal command line version of ubuntu, then throw X on it and gnome, could I then install ltsp, so i dont have to filter my menus for all the crap on it?
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| 14:08 | <m4xx> that's what i did
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| 14:08 | =]
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| 14:08 | <robehend1> hmm..
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| 14:08 | <m4xx> ubuntu server
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| 14:09 | <robehend1> doesnt the server use a different kernel, or am i mistaken
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| 14:09 | <m4xx> not sure to tell you the truth
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| 14:09 | <highvoltage> robehend1: yes, you could
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| 14:10 | <Lns> robehend1: it's all "ubuntu", the server vs. desktop installs just tweak some things. But you can install a desktop ubuntu then swap kernels out by 'apt-get install linux-image-server' or some such
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| 14:10 | <highvoltage> robehend1: although if menus are a concern, you can edit them for users on ltsp with the edubuntu menueditor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/Edubuntu-menueditor
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| 14:10 | <robehend1> ah, ok
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| 14:10 | <Lns> highvoltage: is that menueditor pretty mature? I remember hearing about it a while back
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| 14:11 | <robehend1> highvoltage: does it work with likewise-open? I'm trying to hob-nob a replacement to Sabayon, until it quits crashing like a college coed at a frat party
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| 14:11 | <highvoltage> Lns: yep, and it's actively maintained by mgariepy (who also happens to work on LTSP and hangs out here)
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| 14:11 | <Lns> woo =)
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| 14:12 | <highvoltage> robehend1: I can't think of a reason why it shouldn't. it depends on how it gets group information, etc. but if it doesn't then it should be easily fixable
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| 14:12 | <robehend1> time to test it out then
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| 14:13 | between this, and then using /etc/skel for gnome panels, it may make it nice and easy
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| 14:14 | <m4xx> robehend1: the skel will also work for menus
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| 14:14 | <robehend1> hmmm
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| 14:14 | <m4xx> that looks much easier to configure though ;]\
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| 14:15 | <highvoltage> although you shouldn't really use /etc/skel for either (there are good maintainable systems to deal with them)
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| 14:15 | <robehend1> such as/
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| 14:15 | <m4xx> such as?
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| 14:15 | lol
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| 14:15 | <highvoltage> desktop-profiles, gconf and such
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| 14:15 | <robehend1> I love Sabayon, mind you. Except, as aforementioned, crashing like a coed
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| 14:15 | <m4xx> desktop-profiles?
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| 14:16 | <robehend1> i saw that get downloaded, when i grabbed the menu editor, but dont see a way to launch it..
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| 14:17 | <highvoltage> m4xx: if you're on a debian(ish) system, apt-cache show desktop-profiles
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| 14:17 | <m4xx> yes, i've got it
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| 14:17 | thank you =]
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| 14:17 | <robehend1> got it as well, launching it however..
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| 14:19 | oh, i see now
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| 14:19 | <m4xx> ?
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| 14:19 | <robehend1> if i'm not mistaken, it allows you to use Gconf to setup different mandatory and default keys per group membership..
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| 14:21 | <mgariepy> robehend1, indeed it does, but need a little patch to do so correctly, we have a package in revolution linux's ppa
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| 14:21 | <robehend1> package name?
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| 14:21 | <gothaggis> regarding my ltsp problem with my network card, i have confirmed that the client boots into newer versions of ubuntu, but not Jaunty, which is what my LTSP server is running. Aside from upgrading, is there a way I can get the module and bundle it with the thin client image? alkisg sent me this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules but that only works if the module is
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| 14:21 | already on the system I believe.
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| 14:21 | <mgariepy> desktop-profile
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> gothaggis: which module is that? you can put a newer kernel in jaunty, if needed...
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| 14:23 | <gothaggis> r8192se_pci i believe
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 Ethernet` tells you both the module and the driver in use, if you boot with a recent version that supports it
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| 14:25 | So you can then more easily search google with jaunty+module name as keywords, to see if there's a ppa or anything, or if you need to use a newer kernel
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| 14:25 | *the card pci id and the module in use, I meant
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| 14:26 | Google says that r8192se_pci is a wireless card, so it's probably not that one
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| 14:26 | <gothaggis> kernel driver in use: jme
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> ls /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/jme.ko
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| 14:26 | Is that there?
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| 14:27 | (in jaunty)
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| 14:27 | <gothaggis> yes
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> So you just need to follow the wiki page to add it to the initramfs
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| 14:27 | <gothaggis> ahh ok i had the wrong module name
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| 14:28 | thank you very much
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| 14:28 | <robehend1> mgariepy: Say, how would one go about invoking this desktop-profiles. Does Gconf just patch into it, or is there something else..
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| 14:30 | <mgariepy> are you familiar with the way desktop-profiles does apply menus to groups ?
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| 14:30 | <robehend1> nope. just learned the package existed 10 min ago ;0
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| 14:30 | <mgariepy> ok
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| 14:31 | for the menus and for gconf there are some env variables that they read to know where to gets their configuration files.
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| 14:31 | the values of those variables are generated by desktop-profiles on login.
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| 14:32 | <robehend1> hmmm, well that makes sense
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| 14:32 | <mgariepy> then gconf just parse the content of the directory to applys restriction or default configuration.
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| 14:33 | <highvoltage> the advantage of that over /etc/skel is that you can update settings again later
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| 14:33 | <robehend1> so how does one go about setting the variables to tell it to apply profile x to group y?
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| 14:33 | <mgariepy> edubuntu-menueditor uses desktop-profiles to manage the menus
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| 14:33 | <robehend1> ah, i see, so it does all the work under the covers, and I play with the nice gui?
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| 14:34 | <mgariepy> yeah, sort of, playing with the configuration files by hand gives you a lot more flexibility.
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| 14:34 | <robehend1> any docs on it, perchance?
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| 14:35 | <highvoltage> it has a manual page, at least
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| 14:35 | <robehend1> hmm, ok. guess i've gotta play
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| 14:35 | <mgariepy> the man page is quite complete.
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| 14:38 | <mgariepy> a good way to start i guess would be to create a profile with edubuntu-menueditor and then look at the files it has created.
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| 14:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> Hey all.
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| 14:39 | Has anybody had any problems with NFS recently?
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| 14:39 | <mgariepy> robehend1, edubuntu-menueditor places files in /etc/desktop-profiles/ and /etc/edubuntu-menueditor/
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| 14:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> error I am getting in /var/log/messages: svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service when I attempt to run /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server
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| 14:40 | <gothaggis> alkisg after adding the jme module i can get past the ubuntu splash screen, which wasn't happening before..but then it says IP-config: no response after 60 secs, giving up (before this it shows eth0: Link is down several times, then Link is Up at 100 mbps, then Link is down several times again) - then /init : line 1: can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 14:41 | <mgariepy> gothaggis, what is the verion of the jme module you are usings ?
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> gothaggis: ipconfig is a bit buggy, it's possible that it's having problems with your dhcp setup. Try this: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, and put a new line at its bottom, whith these contents:
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| 14:41 | IPAPPEND 3
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| 14:42 | <mgariepy> robehend1, a good way to start i guess would be to create a profile with edubuntu-menueditor and then look at the files it has created.
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| 14:42 | <robehend1> works for me
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| 14:42 | <mgariepy> robehend1, edubuntu-menueditor places files in /etc/desktop-profiles/ and /etc/edubuntu-menueditor/
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| 14:43 | :D
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| 14:43 | <robehend1> yay
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| 14:43 | i'm happy as long as I can make it so my 1st -3rd graders dont magically m ake their desktops look like vomit
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> rm -rf their settings on logon. They'll get tired soon enough :D
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| 14:43 | <mgariepy> ho, edubuntu-menueditor only take care of the menu tho.
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| 14:44 | for gconf you will need to work a bit by hand ;)
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| 14:44 | <robehend1> ah, i'm used to that one. turning off the terminal, setting the background, getting rid of screen lock, etc
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| 14:45 | but say, i made a menu and saved it..how do you apply it?
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| 14:45 | <mgariepy> with system/administration/edubuntu menu editor - Profile manager
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| 14:46 | <robehend1> oh, that magical menu i didnt know existed until now? ;)
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| 14:47 | <gothaggis> adding the IPAPPPEND 3 to pxelinux.cfg/default doesnt seem to work, just sits there for ages with link is down, link is up messages
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| 14:48 | <robehend1> mgariepy: oh wow, thats slick. i like this. Going in my list of 'cool things to add to ltsp"
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> gothaggis: is it possible to boot it with a jaunty live cd or usb stick? If the module is broken, then you'd need to upgrade, either the kernel or the whole system, like Gadi proposed.
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| 14:50 | <mgariepy> robehend1, nice :D
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| 14:51 | <gothaggis> ok thanks, i'll check that out. it indeed boots with a lucid live cd so at least I know that should work.
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| 14:52 | <mgariepy> gothaggis, the jme module in jaunty/karmic is broken, most of the time it fails to initialyze the card correctly.
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| 14:53 | i've had problems with eeebox with this module.
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| 14:53 | <m4xx> mgariepy, on the revolutionary linux there's a section on thin clients with an image of an eee box mounted on a monitor, is that just a graphic or is that real hardware?
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| 14:55 | <mgariepy> where on our site ?
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| 14:55 | ho
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| 14:55 | yeah that's real ;)
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| 14:55 | <m4xx> http://www.revolutionlinux.com/Open-Source-Thin-Clients?lang=en
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| 14:55 | what is that?
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| 14:56 | <mgariepy> asus eeebox with a vesa-mount
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| 14:56 | the cable to the screen are missing tho.
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| 14:56 | <m4xx> yeah
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| 14:56 | <robehend1> i've used the EEE box before. I like the hardware
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| 14:56 | <highvoltage> mgariepy: it's wireless!
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| 14:57 | <robehend1> highvoltage: ha, and wireless power ;)
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| 14:57 | <m4xx> do they have a model capable of dual head?
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| 14:57 | <Lns> highvoltage: is that a Moss reference?? ;)
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| 14:57 | <robehend1> hell, IT
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| 14:57 | bah
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| 14:57 | <Lns> WHAT is JEN doing with the INTERNET??
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| 14:57 | <highvoltage> Lns: nope, has IT crowd started again
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| 14:57 | <highvoltage> Lns: btw, I have an internet
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| 14:58 | <robehend1> season 4 just hit Netflix ;)
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| 14:58 | * Lns already has s4 ;) | |
| 14:58 | <Lns> highvoltage: you do? I wanted to make one myself, hehe
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| 14:58 | <highvoltage> Lns: http://jonathancarter.org/2009/02/15/updates-from-the-world-of-jonathan/
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| 14:58 | a friend made it for me for my birthday
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| 14:58 | I lauged so bad at that episode that I couldn't stop crying
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| 14:59 | <robehend1> i loved that epidose
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| 14:59 | <highvoltage> so it was a very thoughtful gift :)
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| 14:59 | <Lns> highvoltage: !!! =) I want one!! haha
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| 14:59 | <robehend1> though i dislike this netbook keyboard..
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| 14:59 | <Lns> that is awesome
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| 14:59 | "Of course it's light Jen, the Internet doesn't WEIGH anything!"
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| 15:00 | <highvoltage> yeah, and it was great when she said it later thinking she's so clever :)
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| 15:00 | I should really get a new battery for my internet
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| 15:00 | <Lns> Hopefully you're keeping it on top of Big Ben
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| 15:01 | <robehend1> As soon as I found Cradle of Filth, my life was complete.
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| 15:01 | <Lns> haha
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| 15:01 | I just discovered that show about 2 months ago
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| 15:02 | <robehend1> tis a fantastic show. i hope they never, ever bring it state side
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| 15:02 | <highvoltage> robehend1: it's inevitable. look at what happened to top gear (eek)
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| 15:02 | <robehend1> I prefer not to speak of that
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| 15:02 | or the Red Dwarf attempt
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| 15:02 | <Lns> did you see the U.S. pilot? it was horrible
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| 15:02 | <robehend1> shush
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| 15:03 | my scars are still there
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| 15:03 | <highvoltage> yep
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| 15:03 | <Lns> notice that they took away the blue screen from the intro
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| 15:03 | <robehend1> sadly
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| 15:03 | its the only part of windows i can relate to on a daily basis
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| 15:04 | <Lns> i'm sure NBC had some squabble with microsoft and that's why it never made it
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| 15:04 | they make fun of windows too much...
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| 15:04 | <robehend1> well, the episodes were they talk about computers, instead of Jen being a Pimp..
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| 15:05 | * _UsUrPeR_ reads above | |
| 15:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> the IT crowd was amazing
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| 15:05 | * Lns will shut up and talk about LTSP now ;) | |
| 15:06 | <robehend1> hey hey hey. its related. Moss has a ubuntu sticker on the back of his painfully small lcd monitor
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| 15:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> nono, I just joined in on this conversation. One of the best comedies I have seen in ten years
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| 15:06 | also a RTFM shirt
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| 15:06 | <m4xx> cradle of filth? the death metal band?
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| 15:06 | <robehend1> m4xx: go watch it. trust me
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| 15:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> dude obviously uses linux
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| 15:06 | highly recommended
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| 15:06 | <robehend1> with that hair, he'd have to
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| 15:06 | <m4xx> watch what?
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| 15:06 | <Lns> for sure, they have EFF stickers and other tech-minded stuff all around the office, a commodore pet
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| 15:06 | <robehend1> the IT Crowd
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| 15:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> "The IT Crowd"
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| 15:06 | <m4xx> oh
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| 15:06 | <Lns> whoever writes the show knows his/her stuff
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| 15:06 | <robehend1> aka: best tv show in a while
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| 15:07 | <m4xx> so i gues you're NOT talking about cradle of filth the death metal band
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| 15:07 | ;x
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| 15:07 | <robehend1> ha, lack of the FCC helps as well
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| 15:07 | <Lns> m4xx: he is, but its a reference from the show
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| 15:07 | <robehend1> mhmm
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| 15:07 | * m4xx shuts up and minds his own business | |
| 15:07 | <Lns> Moss = my hero
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| 15:07 | <robehend1> i agree
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| 15:07 | now, i want the guys from the IT crowd to get together with the scientists from "better off ted"
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| 15:09 | though then i'd probably never leave the couch
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| 15:09 | <Lns> "They put the data line right through the power supply! Ameture hour!"
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| 15:09 | <robehend1> it just makes me sad that UK gets shows of that caliber..and we get the Big Bang Theory in the states
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| 15:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> m4xx: there's a character in the show who is all about "the cradle"
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| 15:10 | <robehend1> even looks like Dani Filth
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| 15:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> true
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| 15:10 | <Lns> robehend1: borders don't matter when you have the Internet =)
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| 15:11 | <robehend1> Lns: valid point ;)
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| 15:11 | <highvoltage> Richmond
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| 15:11 | <robehend1> ha thats his name
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| 15:11 | <highvoltage> he lives in the basement and looks at the blinking lights
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| 15:12 | <robehend1> they told him that he's responsible for the servers
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| 15:16 | <Lns> Some fun facts about Matt Berry (Douglas) and Richard Ayoade (Moss), they were in another show together: http://www.youtube.com/results?orig_query=darkplace&search_filter=1&orig_query_src=2&suggested_categories=23%2C10&search_query=garth+marenghi%27s+darkplace
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| 15:16 | <robehend1> and what is this now hmm
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| 15:21 | <robehend1> Lns: you cant show me such things while I'm at work :P
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| 15:22 | <Lns> robehend1: hahaha, i know. I sent my wife highvoltage's blog about The Internet and now she's IMing me youtube clips of the show =p
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| 15:22 | <robehend1> haha
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| 15:22 | only IM i leave open is IRC, for that very reason ;)
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| 15:23 | <Lns> trying to get out of here to bring a laptop back to a client... "What operating system does it use?" "Vista!" "We're going to DIE!"
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| 15:23 | <robehend1> Love that part
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| 15:23 | <Lns> I want to know who created that show
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| 15:23 | <robehend1> and send him a cake
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| 15:24 | <Lns> seriously
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| 15:24 | you NEVER see accurate tech in movies/shows
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| 15:24 | <robehend1> what, CSI isnt accurate?
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| 15:24 | Enhance!
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| 15:24 | <Lns> =p
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| 15:24 | <mgariepy> Lns, they don't want to bore ppl with technical overhead ;P
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| 15:25 | <robehend1> pfft, consider it eductional television
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| 15:25 | <highvoltage> CSI RealLife... they start with rebooting a server, and then the rest of the show staring at it while it's doing a filesystem check
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| 15:26 | <robehend1> YEAAAAAAH
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| 15:26 | my personal fave is when they capture a 'cyber criminal'
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| 15:26 | <Lns> better than them saying the suspect was crafty because they defragmented their hard drive to rid it of deleted evidence!
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| 15:27 | <robehend1> whoa. they actually said that?
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| 15:27 | <Lns> so i heard
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| 15:27 | but..i mean....wouldn't a zero wipe util work better?? =p
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| 15:27 | <robehend1> well, we have to remember
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| 15:27 | <highvoltage> some old defrag tools did have an option to clear out free space
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| 15:27 | <robehend1> The people who enjoy the show also are the people who keep Geek Squad in business
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| 15:27 | <Lns> FINE
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| 15:27 | haha
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| 15:28 | target audience, yes
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| 15:28 | <robehend1> i sometimes enjoy going to best buy and asking for parts that dont exist
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| 15:28 | just to see what they'll try to sell me
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| 15:28 | <Lns> sounds like a good youtube video to me
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| 15:28 | <robehend1> personal best was asking for a 12-core processor to fit in a laptop, and having then attempt to sell me an Emachines desktop
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| 15:30 | <Lns> hahahaha
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| 15:30 | <robehend1> it had a sempron in it
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| 15:30 | <Lns> i want a new computer with 8 megs of ram!
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| 15:31 | <robehend1> and a screen as big as the moon!
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| 15:31 | supply me, best buy man!
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| 15:31 | <robehend1> and yes, I'll take your extended warranty! And a copy of norton! Nay, 2 copies!
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| 15:31 | <Lns> hey no bad mouthing dr. norton!
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| 15:31 | he doesn't have that big metal disc on his forehead for nothing you know
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| 15:32 | <robehend1> of course not
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| 15:32 | at least they dont push Mcaffree as much as they used too
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| 15:32 | <Lns> lesser of the 2 evils i guess
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| 15:32 | though AVG is getting pretty bloated lately too
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| 15:32 | <robehend1> oh its horrendous
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| 15:33 | <Lns> used to be my favorite alternative
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| 15:33 | <robehend1> best I've found, honestly, is Microsoft Security essentials
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| 15:33 | while it does make you part of the MS botnet, it does a darn good job at grabbing basic spyware/adwave/viruses
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| 15:34 | and since it's updates are tied in with windows updates, its a nice fire and foreget
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| 15:35 | * Lns uses avg, avast, spybot, mbam, hijackthis, kapersky and ccleaner | |
| 15:36 | <robehend1> I specialize in the backup, reformat, restore option
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| 15:36 | <Lns> Damn I need more Linux business =)
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| 15:36 | good option!
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| 15:37 | <robehend1> i hardly get any linux business in my outside consulting. Though i've got a meeting with a church thursday about redoing their IT and leaning that way
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| 15:38 | <highvoltage> I always yell at people who use stuff like ccleaner
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| 15:41 | <robehend1> i just dont trust the majority of those products to get everything
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| 15:41 | so, reformat it is
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| 15:48 | Lns: have you found your successful in introducing customers to linux?
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| 15:49 | <Lns> robehend1: it's a hard market to create
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| 15:49 | <robehend1> thats what i've discovered as well. espicially when they want to sync an ipod and dont want to bother with gtkpod or something
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| 15:51 | <Lns> robehend1: right
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| 15:51 | so it's kinda like you have to say goodbye to the consumer niceties of the world, and focus on linux/ltsp being a research station
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| 15:51 | which I'm seeing potential as a business model
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| 15:51 | <robehend1> pfft, the niceties work, they just take more tweaking
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| 15:52 | <Lns> i don't want to tweak anymore to get ipods/flash/etc to work
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| 15:52 | <robehend1> problem i see with LTSP as a business model is the lack of people who are willing to learn how to support it
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| 15:52 | i talk to other techs int he area, and linux seems to be a dirty wood
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| 15:53 | ..
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| 15:53 | word..
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| 15:53 | <Lns> true
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| 15:53 | Well you have me on your side =)
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| 15:53 | i know how to do ssh tunnels, so it's almost as good as having a warm body on site
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| 15:53 | specially with thin clients =p
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| 15:53 | <robehend1> though i do find it funny, that i can give a presentaton using some nice graphs and info from nagios and cacti, but when i mention the word linux, lock down mode
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| 15:53 | haha
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| 15:54 | <Lns> sounds too much like unix
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| 15:54 | and people phear unix
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| 15:54 | <robehend1> could also be that the users i speak to most are mac users
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| 15:54 | and anything against hte almighty jobs is a bad thing
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| 15:55 | <Lns> well the way i see it you can't promote "Linux"
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| 15:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all
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| 15:55 | <robehend1> heyo
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| 15:55 | <Lns> you have to promote the goals and benefits only
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| 15:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> quick question about printing from localapps: I am able to see the printers shared from normal non-local applications
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| 15:55 | and I installed cups on the ltsp image
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| 15:55 | <robehend1> k..
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| 15:56 | <Lns> i gotta jet, i'll tt you all later
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| 15:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> later
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| 15:56 | <robehend1> see ya
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| 15:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> just can't see the printers on localapps :P
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| 15:56 | <robehend1> do you have the printers set up to be shared via cups on the print server?
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| 15:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes. The printer I have shared shows up in system > admin > printers
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| 15:57 | just not in localapps
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| 15:57 | I.E. firefox etc
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| 15:57 | <robehend1> it shows up shared?
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| 15:58 | i missed the checkbox for that the first time ;)
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| 15:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes. It shows up shared on clients, just not on localapps
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| 15:58 | <robehend1> hmm. Not sure, to be honest. i just added cups and went with it, myself
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| 15:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 15:59 | oh, caveat: I'm running ltsp-cluster
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| 15:59 | <robehend1> ah. cant help ya then
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