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Channel log from 9 November 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:07 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 02:00 | <highvoltage> hi uncle jammcq
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| 04:33 | <Jeeves_> Ola
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| 08:44 | <Barni_> hi all
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| 08:44 | i need jelp
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| 08:44 | help
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| 08:44 | <patrickb> help with what?
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| 08:44 | <Barni_> i wanna to do when i plug an USB FlashDrive that to be mounted automatically for the users and to bring me up on the desktop a folder which is accessing diretly that
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| 08:45 | and i did not find any help
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| 08:45 | regarding this
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| 08:46 | <patrickb> are you able to get them to mount manually?
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| 08:47 | <Barni_> yes
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| 08:48 | but i wanna when i insert the USB flash to create me on desktop a link to the files , after when i unplug to disappear this link
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| 08:49 | <patrickb> i use a permanant link on the desk top to USB keys local devices
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| 08:50 | <Barni_> and how did you done when u insert the usb flash on LSTP client to mount it automatically
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| 08:50 | <patrickb> but i use a very small setup to allow my kids to access Internet do homework on terminals that are set up in thier bedrooms
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| 08:50 | <pscheie> Barni_: are you using ltsp 4.2?
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| 08:51 | <Barni_> yes
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| 08:51 | <pscheie> it should happen automatically
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| 08:51 | that's the big feature of 4.2
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| 08:51 | have you gone through the 12-step troubleshooting guide on the wiki?
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| 08:52 | <Barni_> i don't know, where is that exactly
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| 08:52 | ?
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| 08:53 | <pscheie> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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| 08:53 | It's near the bottom
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| 08:54 | On my clients, I plug a USB stick in and a folder icon appears on the desktop.
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| 08:54 | I click on the icon, it opens, and there are the files.
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| 08:54 | I close the folder when I'm done, and then just remove the USB stick
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| 08:54 | and the icon disappears. No need to unmount.
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| 08:56 | <Barni_> where exactly ... i followed it ... i have FC4
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| 09:05 | <pscheie> Barni_: If it's not working for you, go through the troubleshooting steps AND
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| 09:06 | record the output from each step and post that to the LTSP mailing list.
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| 09:07 | Or try to catch sbalneaves here on the IRC.
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| 09:07 | He wrote the LDA stuff and can usually figure out the problem, but
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| 09:07 | he needs the exact output from each of the steps to figure it out (which is why he wrote the 12 steps)
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| 09:13 | <Barni_> now when i plug in an USB falsh drive on the desktop appear Removable Device
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| 09:13 | but an empty folder
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| 09:14 | and the flash drive contains data
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| 09:27 | <Arsenick-TC2L> whoa I have a problem with usb stick too.. I can see the data inside but I'm unable to unmount the device corectly..
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| 09:27 | <g333k_work> Hi, if my clients boot but they freezes loading the X... what could be the problem? (yesterday I updated the server IP and added more clients to dhcpd.conf & hosts)
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| 09:31 | <pscheie> g33k_work: did you change the 'next server' setting in dhcpd.conf to reflect the server's new IP?
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| 09:33 | <g333k_work> pscheie, this option is disabled... I realized that I forgot to change the server Ip in lts.conf :$
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| 09:36 | <Barni_> how can i set the LTSP default sound server
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| 09:36 | i have SOUND_DAEMON = esd but the xmms is trying to use ALSA by defaut
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| 09:36 | ?
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| 09:41 | <pscheie> Barni_: You may need to install Gideon Romm's esd-for-alsa package.
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| 09:41 | It's on the wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress
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| 09:42 | I'm fuzzy on all the sound pieces. Gideon also told me that Real Player 10 uses alsa
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| 09:42 | but it won't currently work, have to use RP8
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| 09:43 | <Barni_> i just wanna to do, that all sound applications to use the eSound
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| 09:44 | <pscheie> The problem, as I understand it, is that not all applications do use the same sound system
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| 09:45 | <Barni_> i think
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| 09:45 | because when is wanna to play music with xmms it's working after i set CTRL+P the eSound
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| 09:45 | but with VPL media player there is no sound
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| 09:45 | mplayer music.mp3 also is no sound
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| 09:46 | <Barni_> but mplayer -ao esd music.mp3 is working perfeclty
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| 09:46 | <efra> Morning all
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| 09:59 | <g333k_work> Hi There!
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| 10:00 | <pscheie> hello g333k_work
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| 10:11 | <g333k_work> Is it easy to set up a ltsp server using CentOS ?
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| 10:15 | <pscheie> g333k_work: The easiest way to install ltsp and CentOS would be to use K12LTSP 4.2.3EL
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| 10:15 | which is LTSP packaged with Centos
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| 10:18 | <g333k_work> pscheie, OK thanks.. let me try it
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| 10:18 | pscheie, ltsp 4.2 ?
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| 10:18 | <pscheie> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/
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| 10:19 | <pscheie> look for the ones with EL in the name
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| 10:20 | <g333k_work> pscheie, do you have a http site? I'm behind hundred firewalls and proxys
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| 10:21 | <g333k_work> pscheie, well I'l use gftp with no passive mode
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| 10:24 | <pscheie> let me look...hold on
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| 10:24 | you could also use rsync
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| 10:27 | for http, try http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1EL/
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| 10:29 | <Barni_> how can i set that all sound applications to use the eSound ???
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| 10:30 | <pscheie> I think you have to set each application individually
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| 10:31 | <Barni_> there is no common settings available?
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| 10:32 | <pscheie> I don't think so, not today. Each app has its own means of setting sound config.
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| 10:32 | Many/most are moving to using gstreamer or phonon which LTSP does support
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| 10:33 | and once all apps go that route, apps should just work out of the box
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| 10:33 | but I don't think we're there yet.
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| 10:51 | <Barni_> and there is any possibility to resolve that the skype sounds to work
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| 10:52 | i refer here the microphone ...
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| 12:23 | <joebaker> I've secured a SIP account on the canonical server. If there are any presentations going on in California at the Ubuntu Developers conference, could somebody please post here the conference extensions?
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| 12:24 | <jammcq> joebaker: yeah, we've got a bunch of cool meetings today
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| 12:24 | i'll try to hang in the channel and let you know how to find us
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| 12:25 | <joebaker> Thanks jammcq! That Gobby tool is great! I already marked up one of your documents "ltsp-management-gui
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| 12:33 | <joebaker> jammcq: It's been hard to find conference extension numbers.
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| 12:40 | <bronze> hi all, philosophical question here - (sort of) I'm thinking about a fat client deployment. Lots of RAM, perhaps a GIGA speed ethernet interface, good video card and sound card. i want the local client machine to be able to handle very demanding multimedia work locally(on client), like teleconferencing but still be a "client" administratively. Is this doable?
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| 12:41 | and does it make sense?
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| 12:41 | Have I missed something obvious like an article that revies this entire idea?
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| 12:42 | reviews
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| 12:42 | <McPolo> I might get you wrong, but some kind of kickstart-installation?
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| 12:42 | <bronze> not planning on clients having any disk.
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| 12:42 | want them to netboot.
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| 12:43 | <McPolo> How slow that might be?
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| 12:43 | <bronze> dunno
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| 12:43 | they wouldn't need to boot very often
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| 12:43 | <jammcq> bronze: funny you should be asking that question. we have a meeting at 3pm today, to discuss that very feature, and whether or not to put it in the next release of Ubuntu
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| 12:44 | <bronze> at GIGa speed transfer speed won't be too large an issue
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| 12:44 | I have a theory:
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| 12:44 | <jammcq> bronze: how many of those "fat clients" do you want to run off a single server?
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| 12:44 | <bronze> There was asecond shooter on the grassy knoll, oops wrong theory
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| 12:44 | <jammcq> :)
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| 12:45 | speaking of grassy knoll, 2 weeks ago, i was down in Dallas, and I went and visited that very same grassy knoll
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| 12:45 | <bronze> jammcq: depens on the sever - butr i do see the intenxive multimedia work being done locally on "Super Client" TM
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| 12:45 | sorry- cant type today
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| 12:45 | <jammcq> bronze: yeah, but are you talking 5 clients, 50 clients, 500 clients?
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| 12:45 | <bronze> nerves toarns slicghtly grucnged
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| 12:45 | <cliebow> want some lessons?
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| 12:46 | <bronze> cliebow, got surgery shceduled.
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| 12:46 | neves are grunched by discs
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| 12:46 | <cliebow> don't do it..it won't help 8)
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| 12:46 | at least not for me..
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| 12:46 | <bronze> jammcq 50 to 500.
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| 12:46 | <cliebow> now if theyd done something besides the kness...
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| 12:46 | <bronze> cliebow you've had the surgery?
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| 12:47 | <cliebow> yep..no more kids for me
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| 12:47 | <bronze> jammcq- actualy - thats worng.
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| 12:47 | <jammcq> bronze: 50 clients reading all programs via NFS can be an aweful lot of traffic
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| 12:47 | 500... well, that's a whole different story
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| 12:47 | <bronze> i see a residental deployment, 1 to 5 units in the home. (blue sky thinking)
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| 12:47 | and then business deplyments
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| 12:48 | <McPolo> Sounds better to have kickstart-installation and home-directory via nfs perhaps?
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| 12:48 | <bronze> with medium to alrg numbers of units per organization
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| 12:48 | <bronze> My theory is that most desktop PC will not have disks in them anymore, soonish (3-5 years)
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| 12:49 | <McPolo> Oh damn, there weren't any disks =)
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| 12:49 | I have feber, so forgive me.
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| 12:49 | <bronze> jammcq: are you assuming all boot at the same time?
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| 12:49 | <jammcq> bronze: check this web page: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-fat-clients
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| 12:49 | <bronze> looking
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| 12:50 | jammcq i assume clients load multimedia apps one after booting and keep them resident in memory until next boot.
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> bronze: as long as there's enough memory to keep things resident
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| 12:51 | <bronze> so, excpet for normal X traffic, no extra program load goes over the LAN.
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| 12:52 | heh "SuperClient" always has enough RAM! :-)
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| 12:52 | (TM)
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| 12:52 | :)
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| 12:53 | so the fat cleint described in the articxle has a local disk?
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| 12:54 | jammcq - what issue determined that those fat clients needed to have a local disk?
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| 12:54 | <jammcq> no clue
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| 12:55 | that writeup was done quite a while ago
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| 12:55 | <bronze> oh.
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| 12:55 | <jammcq> and later today, we'll be examining it and figuring out how to proceed
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| 12:56 | <bronze> I see a Super client as having loads of RAM, but only a specific set of media programs to run, which are loaded once, at boot time
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| 12:56 | jammcq pm, one liner info?
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| 12:56 | <jammcq> sure
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| 12:57 | <bronze> heh nad my typing isstioll broken
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| 12:57 | gad.
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| 12:58 | so a Super client if differentiated from a fat client by the lack of a diskm and a fixed set of local programs/apps to offload media work
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| 12:58 | s/if/is/
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| 12:59 | dang, tiem to rest arms.
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| 12:59 | later
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| 13:21 | <panialex> hi, if i have istaled the k12ltsp 5
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| 13:21 | is there a graphical tool tho configure the clients
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| 13:22 | what are the steps i must folow to begin making work a client?
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| 13:23 | <cliebow> panialex:if you havew configured dhcp and tftp and nfs?
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| 13:23 | <panialex> nop
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| 13:25 | <cliebow> !pastebot
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| 13:25 | <ltspbot> cliebow: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to there. Don't forget to drop down the channel selector, and select #ltsp
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| 13:26 | <cliebow> panialex:hAVE YOU RUN LTSPADMIN
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| 13:26 | whoops
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| 13:26 | <panialex> nop
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| 13:27 | even if i have istaled the k12ltsp i must configure these thinks?
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| 13:28 | <cliebow> i donbt use k12..donr\t know how "out of the box": it is..first try as root to run ltspadmin
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> no, you don't need ltspadmin, if you've installed k12ltsp
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| 13:29 | <panialex> then what should i do?
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> if you've installed k12ltsp, then the server is ready
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| 13:30 | next step is find a thin client that is capable of network booting
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| 13:30 | <cliebow> panialex:run netstat -anp|grep ":69"
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| 13:30 | <jammcq> either with PXE or Etherboot
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| 13:30 | <panialex> i have a pc for that, need to download the pxe only
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| 13:31 | <jammcq> you HAVE pxe or you NEED pxe ?
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| 13:31 | <panialex> i need pxe
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| 13:31 | i only have to try boot that pc and see if it stards?
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| 13:32 | <jammcq> does it have built-in network interface?
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| 13:32 | you may just need to configure the bios for 'Boot from LAN'
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| 13:33 | <panialex> no, and i have no pxe net card, i will boot it be floppy
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| 13:34 | <jammcq> then you'll need to go to http://www.rom-o-matic.net
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| 13:34 | and generate a boot floppy image
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| 13:34 | <panialex> ok
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| 13:45 | how do i see the version of ltsp?
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| 13:46 | <jammcq> look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version
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| 13:50 | <panialex> it says 4.2
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| 13:50 | update 3
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| 13:50 | <jammcq> well... there ya go
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| 13:50 | but... it could actually be update 4, "someone" forgot to update the version file when I created update 4
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| 13:52 | <cliebow> heh
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| 13:52 | <panialex> so in the rom o matic page i haw to download for 5.4.2?
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> panialex: that's the 'Etherboot' version. that has nothing to do with the LTSP version
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| 13:53 | <panialex> ahh
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| 13:58 | <panialex> my net card is BC001
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| 13:58 | 0043FA221
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| 13:59 | i can't remember how to identifi to download the driver
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| 14:01 | <jammcq> panialex: that's a mac address. that doesn't help at all
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| 14:02 | <panialex> thats what is on writen on the chip
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| 14:03 | jammcq:
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> ping-a-ling-a-ling
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| 14:04 | <jammcq> Gadi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> hey hey
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| 14:04 | <jammcq> Gadi: you sitting in Oakland right now?
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> :P
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| 14:05 | no, I am comfortably sitting at a client in Brooklyn
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| 14:05 | did we solve more problems today?
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| 14:06 | <jammcq> Gadi: we had a good session on thin client sound
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> excellent
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| 14:06 | any gotchas?
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| 14:06 | <jammcq> we're just now starting local apps
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| 14:07 | as for sound, it appears that gstreamer + pulse Audio will just magically solve our problems
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> sweet
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| 14:07 | * Gadi loves magic | |
| 14:07 | <panialex> jammq: how do i know what room to download?
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| 14:08 | <jammcq> panialex: you just need to figure out what kind of card you have
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| 14:09 | <panialex> jammq: a 10/100 network card
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> wow! you guys got the thin client sessions today as mandatory?
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| 14:10 | <panialex> it haves also a US writen
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| 14:13 | <joebaker> jammcq: Is there an IRC channel for the "Local Apps Conference I'm listening to on sip:5002@canonical.com ?
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| 14:19 | <joebaker> Local Apps. What about the GConfd sharing?
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| 14:24 | <jammcq> joebaker: i'll bring that up in a sec
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| 14:25 | <joebaker> jammcq: Thanks! Is there a file being shared on Gobby? I hear typing but I don't see it.
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| 14:26 | <jammcq> joebaker: scotty will bring up gobby right now
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| 14:26 | <ogra> scott is typing it locally ... we'll sort it ..
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| 14:27 | <joebaker> Thaks!
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| 14:28 | <jammcq> joebaker: we got gobby
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| 14:56 | <joebaker> jammacq: I feel really good about having brought this up. Ubuntu is really tight with Gnome so this will likely actually happen.
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| 14:58 | <jammcq> joebaker: if anybody can make things happen, these guys can do it
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| 15:03 | <joebaker> Where is the WIKI they are talking about?
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| 15:04 | <jammcq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ltsp-Local-Apps
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| 15:08 | <joebaker> Wiki's need an AJAX gobby client.
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| 15:51 | <Arsenick-TC2L> I have a problem with my ubuntu+ltsp installation.. everything work fine, I can get my client booting and it's working perfect... the problem appear when I shutdown the thin client, then try to boot again.. I get a blank screen and nothing in my server log look strange.. someone already saw this kind of problem ?
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| 15:54 | <vmlintu> Arsenick-TC2L: there's nothing coming on the thin client screen, not even BIOS texts?
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| 15:54 | <joebaker> Arsenick-TC2L When that user account is logged out, try running ps aux | grep <username> to see if there are still Gnome processes running on the server.
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| 15:56 | <Arsenick-TC2L> vmlintu: the thin client boot load the kernel the problem seems to be with the Xorg, If I reboot the server everything work fine again.. for one shot ;)
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| 15:57 | <vmlintu> Arsenick-TC2L: you get the login screen and when you try to login you get blank screen?
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| 16:00 | <Arsenick-TC2L> joebaker: nop
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| 16:01 | vmlintu: nop I see a white underscore, _ flashing on the left top corner then the blank screen
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| 16:01 | <vmlintu> Arsenick-TC2L: Is this after you enter username and password? Or you don't get login screen?
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| 16:01 | <Arsenick-TC2L> nop I can't get to the login screen
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| 16:02 | nothing "graphic" appear
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| 16:03 | <vmlintu> If you kill X with ctrl-alt-backspace, does it help?
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| 16:04 | <Arsenick-TC2L> on the client nothing appear, I tried to restart gdm now
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| 16:04 | <vmlintu> Arsenick-TC2L: btw, are you logging into KDE or Gnome?
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| 16:04 | <Arsenick-TC2L> gnome
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| 16:04 | it's working if I restart gdm
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| 16:04 | weird
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| 16:04 | <vmlintu> Does restarting gdm in the server help?
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| 16:05 | <Arsenick-TC2L> yeah it work if I restart gdm on the server
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| 16:05 | <vmlintu> Do you run any KDE applications when you login?
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| 16:05 | I've seen this happening when using gdm and login to KDE, it seems to kill gdm
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| 16:06 | <Arsenick-TC2L> hmm nop it's a fresh install of ubuntu .. I've never installed anything other then the default
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| 16:07 | <vmlintu> have you tried turning on debugging for gdm?
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| 16:07 | also, which ubuntu version are you running?
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| 16:08 | <Arsenick-TC2L> 6.10
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| 16:08 | I'll try the debug mode
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| 16:08 | <vmlintu> with LTSP 4.2 or the Ubuntu LTSP?
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| 16:10 | <Arsenick-TC2L> I installed the ubuntu package
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| 16:10 | <vmlintu> ok, I haven't tried the 6.10 packages yet
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| 16:11 | are you using ldm or gdm with it?
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| 16:11 | <Arsenick-TC2L> and I had a problem during the lstp-build-client I had to delete a file in the chroot the script was failing saying this file already exist.. so deleting this file make the script complete sucessfuly
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| 16:11 | it seems to be gdm
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| 16:12 | i'll try with ldm
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| 16:12 | ldm = encryption with ssh right ?
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| 16:13 | <vmlintu> yes
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| 16:14 | <Arsenick-TC2L> hmm that's weird..
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| 16:14 | <vmlintu> It's quite different from the gdm approach
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| 16:14 | I'd guess there's something wrong with gdm as it wouldn't be the first time
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| 16:17 | <Arsenick-TC2L> if I let my thin client boot normaly it's freezing I mean I can't get to a tty but if I go to a tty during the boot then I can see a login in console and if I go to tty7 I see the login page.. lol
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| 16:18 | need to smoke a cigaret and think about that ;) brb
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| 16:20 | <vmlintu> what type of thin client is it hardware wise?
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| 16:27 | <Arsenick-TC2L> it's a NTA 6020B
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| 16:38 | <Arsenick-TC2L> what I need to do if I want my thin client connecting using ldm ?
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| 16:49 | <Sephyr> Hi! Can anyone give me a tip how to mount the local harddrive on the client?
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| 16:52 | <Arsenick-TC2L> 4
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| 18:07 | <vertical> is there anybody out there?
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| 18:14 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 18:47 | <vertical> hey jammcq
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| 18:47 | got time to answer a question?
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| 20:04 | <amitbiswas> hi guys
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| 20:05 | is there any one have installed ltsp4.2 on ubuntu
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| 20:05 | ????
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| 20:06 | <amitbiswas> hello
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| 20:06 | looking for solution for my rdesktop in ltsp4.2
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| 20:06 | is there any one have installed ltsp4.2 on ubuntu
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| 20:14 | <amitbiswas> hello anyone there
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| 20:14 | hellooooooooooooooo
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| 20:16 | hello
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| 22:09 | <kwak> anybody from k12ltsp.org
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| 22:32 | <PMantis> with bash scripting, anyone know how to echo out (to stdout) the entire contents of stdin... without a read loop to populate a variable?
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| 23:04 | <dberkholz> PMantis: i'm not sure i understand your goal
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| 23:05 | <PMantis> dberkholz, Wanted to be able to echo the full contents of stdin to another program
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| 23:05 | <dberkholz> the full contents of stdin is a weird phrase to me
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| 23:05 | <PMantis> I think I have a way to do it...
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| 23:05 | cat - > /tmp/blah
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| 23:06 | well... I can use `while read F` and loop (read only gives one line at a time)... but that seems slow.
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| 23:06 | <dberkholz> so you basically want to cat some file or whatever, and just print the same thing back?
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| 23:07 | i think it might be easier to come up with the best way to do something if i actually knew what your real goal is, rather than your suggested implementation...
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| 23:07 | <PMantis> Sort of.
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| 23:07 | Ok, whole store....
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| 23:07 | story
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| 23:08 | I have an entry in /etc aliases, that redirects mail to request tracker
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| 23:08 | I wrote a shell script to go in the middle... read the "From" line of the email, then decide on the parameters that i'll pass to request tracker
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| 23:09 | But with a while read loop in there, I'm concerned about the processing time - especially if someone sends an attachment...
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| 23:09 | So, wanted to know if a simply echo could do it. I guess not.
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| 23:09 | <dberkholz> the only thing your shell script cares about is the From line?
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| 23:11 | <PMantis> for decision making yes... but *all* of the email needs to echo (or cat) to request tracker
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| 23:14 | <dberkholz> one option is to toss the mail in a file, then grep it for From and take the first instance
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| 23:14 | you're right that bash loops suck
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| 23:14 | <PMantis> heh
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| 23:14 | <dberkholz> you could also try bash-3 regexp matching
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| 23:14 | <PMantis> For that, I might as well use sed
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| 23:15 | But no biggie there...
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| 23:15 | <dberkholz> yeah, sed or grep would work fine. bash definitely is not the best way to do the intensive part of it
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| 23:16 | you can read the whole file into a variable with something like foo="$(<filename)" and then do something funky with it, but it'll probably still suck more than sed/grep
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| 23:16 | <PMantis> I think 'cat'ing stdin to a file, then 'cat'ing it back to the RT mailgate is the best way...
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| 23:17 | Yeah, memory usage!
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| 23:30 | <Barni_> hi all
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| 23:30 | i need help
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| 23:30 | how can i use skype on ltsp
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| 23:30 | i'm using esd as sound daemon and the sound is not working ...
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| 23:30 | can anybody give me a solution???
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| 23:33 | <PMantis> That'll prove to be very difficult
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| 23:34 | Sound over a network is not as easy as X over the network
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| 23:35 | However, to use Skype, you'd be better off compiling it for use *directly* on the thin client, and have it fire at a local application.
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| 23:35 | Then there'll be no issues with sound
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| 23:41 | <Barni_> and can u explain me how to do this???
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| 23:41 | or a site where it's explained???
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| 23:42 | * PMantis looks | |
| 23:44 | <PMantis> I haven't done this before, but...
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| 23:45 | But you'll need the LBE (LTSP Build Environment)
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| 23:45 | Download that from CVS and compile it.
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| 23:45 | Then get the source code for the app you want to be local, compile that with the LBE
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| 23:46 | Deploy the executable into the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin directory
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| 23:46 | Place an icon on the desktop that opens an SSH session back to the thin client that starts the local application.
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| 23:47 | Building the LBE : instructions on the wiki at wiki.ltsp.org
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| 23:47 | <dberkholz> if someone can explain wth rc_cleanup() in the ltsp-build-client plugins is supposed to do, that would be helpful
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| 23:47 | <PMantis> dberkholz, Ubuntu?
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| 23:47 | <dberkholz> i don't know this weird sysv init brokenness
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| 23:47 | PMantis: sure, or debian
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| 23:47 | <PMantis> Or should I say, Edubuntu?
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| 23:48 | <dberkholz> since ubuntu uses the debian function, in ../Debian/000-basic-configuration
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| 23:49 | <PMantis> Sure... but the ltsp-build-client is for the MueCow implementation, and I'm only aware of that being on Ubuntu... comes standard in Edubuntu, for example.
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| 23:49 | <dberkholz> it's in debian too..
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| 23:49 | <PMantis> If so, then ogra is a perfect person to talk about that.
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| 23:49 | <dberkholz> unstable or thereabouts
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| 23:49 | <PMantis> Ahh, didn't know that.
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| 23:56 | <dberkholz> anyway, it just doesn't make sense
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| 23:56 | they call these variables whitelists, then from what i can tell they blacklist 'em
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| 23:59 | <PMantis> hah, fun
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