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Channel log from 23 July 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: ping
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| 07:59 | err.. stgraber: never mind.
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| 07:59 | * _UsUrPeR_ unpings | |
| 07:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ping :)
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| 08:14 | <rjune_wrk> !seen vagrantc
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| 08:14 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 3 hours, and 29 seconds ago: <vagrantc> nubae: it had internet 2 years ago ... for the prices i'm looking for, pretty much have to expect to share a room :)
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| 08:29 | <garymc> hello
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| 08:29 | anyone here?
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| 08:29 | I need some good advice
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| 08:30 | <bieb> garymc: what cha got??
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| 08:30 | <garymc> hi bieb
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| 08:30 | I just installed LTSP on a moc server
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| 08:30 | <bieb> ok
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| 08:30 | <garymc> and im trying to do some stuff before I make it proper in a work environment
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| 08:31 | was wondering if I can do certain things or not and if its possible how
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| 08:31 | ok
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| 08:31 | 1.
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| 08:32 | I want to have some files displayed on the desktop of all users/clients who log onto the server
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| 08:32 | like a php file which will record phone in customers details to a mSQL database
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| 08:33 | e.g. I want to customize the clients desktops
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| 08:33 | if you get what i mean?
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| 08:33 | <ogra> there is no clients desktop ;)
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| 08:33 | <garymc> lol ok
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| 08:33 | <ogra> you want to modify the server desktop
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| 08:34 | <bieb> will all the clients have the same "desktop"
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| 08:34 | <garymc> yes,
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| 08:34 | well i want them to have the default desktop
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| 08:34 | and if they add txt files or web pages to their desktop thats fine
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| 08:35 | default = the dektop apps and files on display i want them to see
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| 08:35 | <vmlintu> is it ok if the users can delete the default items from the desktop?
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| 08:36 | <garymc> no
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| 08:36 | at the moment thay all have COMPUTER, Client HOME, TRASH
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: pong
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| 08:36 | <garymc> I want to add others there that they will need to beable to work in the office easily
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| 08:36 | <vmlintu> every user has their own account?
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: hello~~~
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| 08:37 | <garymc> iam a newbie and dont know what _UsUrPer_: pong is?
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| 08:37 | hiu
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| 08:37 | <bieb> sbalneav: how's it going?/
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| 08:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> garymc: I think it's the equivalent of an IRC high-five
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| 08:38 | <garymc> ahhh lol iam stupid
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| 08:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> well now you know
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| 08:38 | <garymc> vmlintu: yes they all have ther own account
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| 08:38 | <johnny> no.. it's not a high five
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| 08:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 08:38 | <johnny> it's ping "are you here"
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| 08:38 | pong "yes i am"
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| 08:38 | <garymc> I just want to control what apps and files they see and use on the desktop
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| 08:39 | <johnny> that'swhat sabayon is used for
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| 08:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> well scotty and I just high-fived...
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| 08:39 | <johnny> on gnome anyways
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| 08:39 | <garymc> can I have SABayon in LTSP?
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| 08:39 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: I looked at the gnome desktop template scripts and it looks like I really need to work on them before sending anything.. one more reason for me to start working on them..
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| 08:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ok, so I have time today to do some testing/dev with sabayon.
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| 08:40 | <bieb> sbalneav: Scott I am also available to do some testing today...
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| 08:41 | <vmlintu> garymc: if you can put the items in the program menu or in the desktop, it's much easier to lock them
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| 08:41 | garymc: sorry, program menu or desktop panel
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| 08:41 | <garymc> well when I load up the server, I cant log into as root
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| 08:41 | so I just login as Gary
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| 08:42 | When I put a file on my desktop gary which i log into on the moc server
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| 08:42 | it doesnt show up on any of the clients
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| 08:42 | <bieb> on a second note.. I am getting SQUASHFS errors
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| 08:43 | they dont happen all the time though.. currently I only have 1 client I am testing with
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| 08:44 | <garymc> i can put a file in etc/temp/test.php make it read writable by all
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| 08:44 | vmlintu: and then log into the server as each client put a link to this file on the desktop and they can use the file
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| 08:45 | vmlintu: but it isnt the way I need to do it. Cos I will be adding other files for all to use on the desktop as we progress
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| 08:47 | <vmlintu> garymc: if it's ok that the desktop items are restored at each login, just create a script that is run at login time and copy the files to users' home directories from there
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| 08:47 | <ogra> clicking that file would just open an editor
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| 08:47 | <vmlintu> garymc: that doesn't prevent the users from deleting them but they would always be restored at next login
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| 08:47 | <garymc> yeah I also had to change each time to open wioth firefox
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| 08:48 | how do i make this setup script?
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| 08:48 | <vmlintu> garymc: if you want the items to open something in firefox, create xxx.desktop items instead of just links
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| 08:48 | <garymc> i thought I would just beable to add them to say a "MAIN" folder
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| 08:48 | :(
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| 08:49 | <johnny> sabayon does a good job at what you need, i think scot has a nicely fixed version in his ppa
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| 08:49 | not perfect tho.. it needs more developers
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| 08:49 | <garymc> vmlintu: iam sorry iam a newbie and dont even know what xxx.desktop means
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| 08:49 | <johnny> a file
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| 08:49 | that has an extension of .desktop
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| 08:50 | which are basically the equivalent of .lnk files on windows.. but better
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| 08:50 | <vmlintu> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/apa.html
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| 08:50 | <garymc> so i would make say a php file
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| 08:50 | <johnny> you can't just execute a php file anyways
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| 08:50 | without a webserver
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| 08:50 | <garymc> and name it "ORDER.desktop" ?
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| 08:50 | <ogra> no
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| 08:50 | <garymc> yeah i gotta install apache and php and mysql yet
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| 08:50 | <johnny> you need to run a webserver, and then have a link to the php file to be executed by the webserver
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| 08:50 | <garymc> I think
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| 08:51 | <johnny> well at that point you shoudl just add it to the bookmark files in the browser
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| 08:51 | which is also possible with sabayon
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| 08:51 | <garymc> will all see the bookmark files or just me?
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| 08:51 | <johnny> whoever you deploy the profile to
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| 08:52 | <garymc> i dont know what you mean :( deploy the profile too
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| 08:52 | Im just adding user accounts
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| 08:52 | then network booting
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| 08:52 | with client machines
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| 08:52 | <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/227383/
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| 08:52 | garymc, see that example
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| 08:53 | <garymc> im checking it out now
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| 08:53 | thanks
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| 08:53 | <ogra> save that as a .desktop file
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| 08:54 | it will fire up firefox trying to open http://localhost/your.php
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| 08:54 | <garymc> ogra: ok im lost here with that link
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| 08:54 | <ogra> well, once you have your apache and php installed point to a valid url
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| 08:54 | <garymc> ok
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| 08:54 | <lejo> hmm is it my feeling or is ltsp5 slower then ltsp4 ?
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| 08:54 | <garymc> well maybe im jumping the gun a litttle here
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| 08:55 | I need to know if I can control what each client sees on thier desktop?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> lejo, using or booting ?
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| 08:55 | lejo, booting is surely slower since it does a lot more automatic
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| 08:55 | <johnny> ogra, you can't do that with php
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| 08:55 | <rjune_wrk> vagrantc: ping
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| 08:56 | <johnny> oh..
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| 08:56 | duh
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| 08:56 | sorry
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| 08:56 | * johnny withdraws | |
| 08:56 | <vagrantc> rjune_wrk: please ping with content!
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| 08:56 | <lejo> ogra: I had clients (with 128M) that worked great (=fast) with ltsp4 and kde3 and I now have ltsp5 with kde4 and those devices feel much slower
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| 08:56 | <rjune_wrk> How did your testing with qemu emulating ppc go?
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| 08:56 | <lejo> but maybe that is kde4 fault
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| 08:57 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:57 | <vmlintu> garymc: If you want to have something on the desktop when a new user is created, put the files under /etc/skel/. The users can delete everything, though.
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| 08:57 | <IBC_jkenney> I am currently running ubuntu 9.04 jaunty LTSP Server and when attempting to initiate dual display i get a error message about virtual display settings
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| 08:57 | <ogra> kde4 is a very bad idea for ltsp
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> rjune_wrk: it's been going fairly well ... i tested ogra's qemu-arm-eabi packages ... and those worked quite well. then i grabbed upstream qemu's 0.11-rc* and built a static qemu-arm and it seemed to work quite well. haven't tested as much as ogra's packages yet.
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| 08:58 | <vmlintu> garymc: If you want to control the desktops after creating them, you need to either write scripts or install a tool to modify the desktop settings. Sabayon is one tool, but I know basically nothing about it.
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> rjune_wrk: oh, wait. ppc. segfaults.
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| 08:58 | <rjune_wrk> damn.
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| 08:59 | <ogra> 0.11 should be better than my package though, the patches are sanitized by upstream
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| 08:59 | <garymc> vmlintu: Nice one
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| 08:59 | that is the folder ive been looking For
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| 08:59 | can I put a link to a file
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| 08:59 | that they can read only? or maybe execte but not delete the actual file?
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| 08:59 | <vagrantc> rjune_wrk: so far the only one that works is arm. all the others i tried failed (mips*, powerpc, sparc)
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| 08:59 | <ogra> vmlintu, wrong approach :) /etc/skel is only copied at user creation time
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| 09:00 | garymc, you will need a script and a .desktop file that calls it from /etc/xdg/autostart into the users ~/Desktop directory
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| 09:00 | <vmlintu> I would not recommend using /etc/skel/ either if the stuff needs to stay on the desktop
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| 09:00 | <ogra> err
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| 09:00 | that sentence was a mess
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| 09:01 | garymc, you will need a script and a .desktop file that calls it from /etc/xdg/autostart to copy your launcher into the users ~/Desktop directory
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| 09:01 | <vagrantc> rjune_wrk: haven't been able to try amd64 on i386, but in theory it might work. just need the magic numbers for amd64 to feed to binfmt
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| 09:02 | <ogra> arm-eabi definately has issues if the host is amd64 btw
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| 09:02 | <vagrantc> ogra: i seem to recall it working just fine...
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| 09:02 | <rjune_wrk> vagrantc: I wanted to try cross compiling on it.
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| 09:02 | <ogra> with my package ?
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| 09:02 | or with 0.11
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| 09:02 | <vagrantc> ogra: think so ... but maybe i didn't test well.
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| 09:02 | ogra: both
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| 09:03 | <ogra> i was told about tons and tons of segfaults
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| 09:03 | <garymc> vmlintu: for some reason it wont let me put files in /etc/skel/desktop
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| 09:03 | <ogra> garymc, it wont help anyway
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| 09:03 | garymc, /etc/skel is only used at the moment where you create the user
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| 09:03 | not at login timew
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| 09:03 | -w
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| 09:04 | <garymc> it has the K"linux quick start guide in there
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| 09:04 | <ogra> yes, and the user can delete it ...
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| 09:04 | it wont return
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| 09:04 | <garymc> which all clients get to see
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| 09:05 | <vmlintu> garymc: yes, /etc/skel is not what you wanted.. you cannot control desktops for already existing users and users can delete everything at any time and they never return for those users
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| 09:05 | <garymc> damn
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| 09:05 | <ogra> as i said, create a script ...
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| 09:05 | <garymc> so is there another place i can put these files for display for all users?
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| 09:06 | damn... creating ascript sounds sooooo hard
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| 09:06 | <vmlintu> garymc: not without scripts or additional tools
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| 09:06 | * Gadi hasn't followed the conversation completely, but suggests setting the group sticky bit | |
| 09:07 | <garymc> tell me more Gadi
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| 09:07 | <ogra> garymc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/227422/
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| 09:07 | thats a script like you need one :)
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| 09:07 | does that look so hard ?
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| 09:07 | <Gadi> garymc: if you create a folder and set the group sticky bit on it, files inside of it can only be deleted by their owner
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| 09:08 | <ogra> Gadi, that would become odd if he did it to the ~/Desktop folder
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> so, if you create a folder in, say, /home/shared
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| 09:08 | and a link on the Desktop to it
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| 09:08 | <ogra> he wants a launcher thats reoccuring on every login
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> and give it a group sticky bit
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| 09:08 | <garymc> have i got to go into each account and place the link on the desktop manually
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> you can put your launchers in there
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| 09:08 | and nobody can delete it
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| 09:09 | <ogra> garymc, no, you dont
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| 09:09 | <garymc> would i put this in skel / desktop?
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| 09:09 | <ogra> garymc, seen my script above ? if thats executed on every login thats happening automatically
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| 09:09 | no, forget about skel
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| 09:09 | <garymc> ok I got the link above
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| 09:10 | There is 3 lines of text and a big box
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| 09:10 | <ogra> imagine you never heard about skel, it wont help
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| 09:10 | <garymc> I dont understand it
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 09:10 | * Gadi laughs at ogra | |
| 09:10 | <ogra> the three lines are a script that copies a launcher to the users desktop
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> garymc: yeah, there are many ways to skin your cat
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| 09:10 | <garymc> do i have to make a launcher
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| 09:11 | * ogra makes funny faces to Gadi | |
| 09:11 | <ogra> garymc, right, the first paste i gave you has the code for a launcher
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| 09:11 | * vagrantc stares crosseyed at the moon | |
| 09:11 | <garymc> ok the one before this
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| 09:11 | <ogra> the second paste i gave you has the code for a script that copies that launcher to a users desktop
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| 09:12 | * Gadi thinks ogra handles customer support like a developer | |
| 09:12 | <garymc> so what do i save these codes as and where do I put them?
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:12 | time out
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| 09:12 | <ogra> :P
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> garymc: do this:
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| 09:12 | <garymc> ogra seems very proffessional
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> right click on your desktop, and choose Create Launcher
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| 09:12 | <ogra> garymc, listen to Gadi :)
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| 09:13 | <garymc> bingo
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| 09:13 | thanks guys
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| 09:13 | <ogra> he does it in a easier way for you than i do
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| 09:13 | <garymc> im listening
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> give it a name and such
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| 09:13 | don't worry about an icon
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| 09:13 | * ogra is to development tainted :) | |
| 09:13 | <ogra> Gadi, it shall open an url
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| 09:13 | important part :)
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> ograthis one will be for /etc/xdg/autostart
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| 09:13 | ;)
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| 09:14 | <ogra> ah
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| 09:14 | <garymc> wo wowowo woh
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| 09:14 | * ogra shuts up | |
| 09:14 | <garymc> what do i put in command
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| 09:14 | type:
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| 09:14 | Name:
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| 09:14 | Command:
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| 09:14 | Comment:
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> garymc: this launcher that you are creating we are going to use as the thing that runs the script ogra gave you on login
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| 09:14 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:14 | :/
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> so, let's do:
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| 09:15 | Command: /usr/local/bin/copyToDesktop
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| 09:15 | Name: copyToDesktop
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| 09:16 | type: Application
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| 09:16 | and then save it
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| 09:16 | <garymc> right
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| 09:16 | got it
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> this is now your "copyToDesktop" launcher
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| 09:16 | <garymc> ok.....
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| 09:16 | its on my desktop
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> now, open a text editor
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| 09:16 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> and we'll actually make the copyToDesktop script
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| 09:16 | which is the second one ogra made for you
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| 09:17 | <ogra> we dont have the actual launcher yet btw :)
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| 09:17 | <garymc> so I just type that into this text box
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| 09:17 | <ogra> you will need to make that too
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| 09:17 | <garymc> not this one
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:17 | lets not get confused
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| 09:17 | in the text editor, put:
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| 09:17 | #!/bin/sh
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| 09:17 | for the first line
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| 09:18 | <garymc> done
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| 09:18 | cp /wherever/you/saved lol
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| 09:18 | i dont know where i saved
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> ok, now perhaps you would like to have a "golden" directory
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| 09:18 | that you can just put launchers in
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| 09:18 | <garymc> yes
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> that will get copied to the user's desktop
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| 09:18 | great.
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| 09:19 | <garymc> cool
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| 09:19 | <ogra> Gadi, you /usr/local approach was very good, go on with that
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> where do you want that golden directory to live?
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| 09:19 | ok
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| 09:19 | <garymc> i dont know where is best?
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> how about /usr/local/share/launchers
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| 09:19 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:19 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:19 | so do i put that in the second line
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> ok, so in your script, on line 2, do:
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| 09:20 | cp /usr/local/share/launchers/*.desktop ~/Desktop
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| 09:20 | <ogra> and write down that /usr/local/share/launchers contains systemwide desktop launchers on a piece of paper ... :)
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| 09:20 | so you can find it again in 6 months if you forgot about it
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| 09:21 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> save the text file on your Desktop as "copyToDesktop"
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> then, right click on the text file, go to Properties, and change the permissions to Executable for user, group, other
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| 09:23 | <garymc> i save the file in desktop folder?
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> yes
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| 09:23 | it will make it easier
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| 09:23 | for now
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| 09:24 | <garymc> When I click permissions
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| 09:24 | I only get read only read - writeable
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| 09:24 | are you talking about the Execute: Allow executing file as program?
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| 09:25 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:25 | <garymc> i just tick this box?
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> yes
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| 09:25 | <garymc> done
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> ok
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| 09:26 | so, here's what we're going to do
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| 09:26 | <garymc> im all ears/eyes
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> and since it has to be done with admin rights and I don't know how to do that in a drag and drop way, we'll go to a terminal
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| 09:26 | so, open a terminal window
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| 09:26 | cd ~/Desktop
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| 09:26 | ls
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| 09:27 | <garymc> done
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> you should see your copyToDesktop.desktop launcher and you copyToDesktop program
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| 09:27 | right?
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| 09:27 | <garymc> i think so
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| 09:27 | yep i do
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> cool
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| 09:27 | <garymc> program is in green
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> fisrt we move the copyToDesktop.desktop launcher to /etc/xdg/autostart, which will make it run on login
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| 09:28 | like this:
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| 09:28 | sudo cp copyToDesktop.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart
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| 09:28 | <ogra> Gadi, i think thats fedora ...
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> huh?
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| 09:29 | * ogra is never sure if they have sudo configured | |
| 09:29 | leio__ is now known as leio | |
| 09:29 | <Gadi> oh! he's on fedora?
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| 09:29 | <garymc> lol
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> well, try it
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| 09:29 | <ogra> well, he talked ybout K1 documentation in /etc/skel
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| 09:29 | <garymc> asks for my password
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> otherwise, we'll switch you to the root user
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| 09:29 | put in your password
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| 09:30 | <garymc> it says gary is not in the sudoers file
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| 09:30 | This incident will be reported
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 09:30 | <garymc> oh ohhh
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> ok, do you know the root password?
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| 09:30 | <garymc> yes
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> ok, so:
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| 09:30 | su
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| 09:30 | <garymc> yep
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> and enter root password
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| 09:30 | <garymc> yep
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> ok, now:
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| 09:31 | cp copyToDesktop.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart
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| 09:31 | <garymc> done
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> ok, now:
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| 09:31 | mkdir -p /usr/local/bin
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| 09:32 | (in case it doesn't exist)
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| 09:32 | <ogra> should exist already ...
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| 09:32 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:32 | <ogra> would be a weird distro if it wouldnt :)
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> mkdir -p /usr/local/share/launchers
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| 09:32 | <garymc> done
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> cp copyToDesktop /usr/local/bin/
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| 09:33 | <garymc> can i copy this whole conversation?
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> sure
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| 09:33 | <garymc> done
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> ok, now, you may want *your* user to be able to drop launcher files easily into that folder
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| 09:34 | so, you may want to change ownership of the folder to your username
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| 09:34 | <garymc> ermmm My users will just be taking call
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> whats ur username?
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| 09:34 | <garymc> calls
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| 09:34 | gary
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> chown gary /usr/local/share/launchers
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| 09:35 | and then: exit
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| 09:36 | now, you can create whatever launchers you want on your desktop and copy them into: /usr/local/share/launchers
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| 09:36 | and the next time someone logs in, it will be on their desktop
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| 09:38 | <vmlintu> X freezing on thin clients in the middle of something is really not my favourite..
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| 09:38 | <ogra> use a heater
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| 09:40 | <vmlintu> have to try that
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| 09:40 | <garymc> gai
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| 09:40 | gadi: thanks for the help
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| 09:41 | now how do i save this conversation?
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> if you are using pdigin, try: Conversation > Save as
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| 09:41 | <garymc> im using xchat
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| 09:41 | on windows
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| 09:41 | <vmlintu> I'm just starting to wonder if one could create a nautilus plugin to get items on the desktop from a common folder..
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| 09:42 | <ogra> the user would have to click on it to activate it though
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| 09:43 | <vmlintu> nautilus plugins cannot put anything on desktop automatically?
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| 09:43 | <ogra> oh, sorry, i was messing up scripts with plugins, they probably can
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> an add-on package that dumped a nice launcher into /etc/xdg/autostart and a script would be nice, too
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| 09:44 | <vmlintu> I've never looked into that myself, so I really don't know
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| 09:44 | <garymc> anyone know how to save this with xchat?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> so, folks wouldn't have to go thru this exercise
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| 09:44 | <ogra> build one
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| 09:44 | good practice in packaging :)
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| 09:46 | * ogra considers a second portion of icecream ... | |
| 09:47 | <vagrantc> packaging icecream?
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| 09:47 | <ogra> rather unpacking :)
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| 09:47 | <vagrantc> and re-packing
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| 09:47 | <ogra> someone else did the hard work already :)
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| 09:47 | <rjune_wrk> heh
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| 09:48 | <garymc> Thanks Gadi your a star
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| 09:48 | i think
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| 09:48 | gonna test it now
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| 09:48 | * ogra grins about "i think" | |
| 09:48 | <rjune_wrk> No, he really is a star
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| 09:49 | A fancy one, six points
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| 09:49 | <ogra> but gary wasnt really sure :)
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| 09:50 | <rjune_wrk> apparently not.
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| 09:50 | Where is he from?
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 09:51 | u guys are funny
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| 09:52 | <ogra> uk i think
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| 09:52 | <rjune_wrk> we're funny?
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| 09:52 | You're the star! *
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> could me worse, I could be rm *
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| 09:52 | <rjune_wrk> city near me goes by MC(Michigan City) and the just migrated to linux
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> *be
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| 09:58 | <vmlintu> Looks like nautilus plugin would require the files to exist on desktop before it could do something for them, so some creative hacking would be needed to it to show files from a separate locked directory..
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| 10:00 | * Gadi wonders why migrated to Linux makes him thinkg of migratory penguins | |
| 10:01 | <vmlintu> Any information available about the migration?
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| 10:02 | <rjune_wrk> I dunno, you would have to ask them.
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| 10:02 | I just heard about it from being on the Tech director list
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| 10:13 | <garymc> hello Gadi
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| 10:14 | After doign the Chown gary /usr/local/share/launchers
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| 10:14 | what did i need to do?
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| 10:14 | cos I tried logging into a test client and copyToDesktop wasnt on the desktop
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| 10:14 | <ogra> create launchers on your desktop and drop them into that dir
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| 10:15 | it shoudlnt
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| 10:15 | <garymc> hi ogra
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| 10:15 | <ogra> just create a launcher, open your filemanager, go to /usr/local/share/launchers and drop the launcher in ther
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| 10:15 | e
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| 10:15 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:15 | <ogra> that launcher will appear on the users desktop
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| 10:16 | <garymc> what defines a launcher
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| 10:16 | <ogra> if you want firefox to open you use "place" as the type ... try creating one that opens google for example
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| 10:16 | <garymc> sorry for all the questions
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| 10:17 | hmmm
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| 10:17 | <ogra> well, underneath a launcher is just a textfile ... with the special ending .desktop and the content i gave you on my very first paste
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| 10:17 | <garymc> which i have since lost :(
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| 10:17 | <ogra> but tyou dont need to know that to create one :)
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| 10:17 | <garymc> im sorry
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| 10:17 | <ogra> just right click on your desktop and select "create launcher"
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| 10:18 | <garymc> have i got to reboot the system after dropping a launcher file in the folder
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| 10:18 | <ogra> no
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| 10:18 | <garymc> as my test account still doesnt see the CopyToDesktop
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| 10:19 | <ogra> it wont and it shouldnt
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| 10:19 | <garymc> ???
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| 10:19 | <ogra> dont care about CopyToDesktop
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| 10:19 | thats only the script that cares for copying stuff you drop into /usr/local/share/launchers the the user desktops on login
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| 10:20 | create a new launcher
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| 10:20 | just right click on your desktop and select "create launcher"
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| 10:20 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:20 | <ogra> select type "place"
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| 10:20 | <garymc> mine has location
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| 10:20 | <ogra> ok
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| 10:20 | * ogra is german ... :) | |
| 10:20 | <ogra> no english system here
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| 10:21 | <garymc> ahhhh ok gutantag
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| 10:21 | i think
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| 10:21 | <ogra> guten tag :)
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| 10:21 | <garymc> my german is really poor
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| 10:21 | <ogra> well, i understood what you meant :)
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| 10:21 | <garymc> ;)
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| 10:21 | <ogra> ok, there is a URL field i belive
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| 10:22 | <garymc> yes i think it is the location
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| 10:22 | <ogra> type in: http://www.ltsp.org
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| 10:22 | name it "ltsp homepage"
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| 10:22 | then save
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| 10:22 | <garymc> can i just browse to a file
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| 10:22 | <ogra> should work as well
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| 10:22 | <garymc> cos internet is not connected on it as im connected on it on this comp
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| 10:23 | <ogra> well, then pick a file
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| 10:23 | <garymc> ok done that
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| 10:23 | <ogra> if you are done, save
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| 10:23 | <garymc> ok it is now on my desktop
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| 10:23 | <ogra> now open your filemanager and navigate to /usr/local/share/launchers
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| 10:23 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:24 | I have 2 files already in there
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| 10:24 | is this right
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| 10:24 | <ogra> you do ?
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| 10:24 | <garymc> I have the copyToDesktop.desktop
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| 10:24 | and copytodesktop
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| 10:24 | <ogra> no
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| 10:24 | <garymc> so they shouldtn be there?
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| 10:24 | <ogra> delete them, they should not be in that dir
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| 10:24 | did you put them there ?
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| 10:24 | <garymc> They were on my desktop i thought I had to put them in there
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| 10:25 | will i be ok just deleting them?
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| 10:25 | <ogra> no, these files are already where they belong in the system
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| 10:25 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:25 | they where copied there b4 i see
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| 10:25 | <ogra> yeah, you can delete them from the launcher dir
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| 10:25 | <garymc> to the correct location
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| 10:25 | <ogra> right
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| 10:25 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:25 | now I put the new launcher file in this folder :)
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| 10:26 | <ogra> so after you cleaned up, drag/drop the new launcher you made into the launchers dir
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| 10:26 | yeah, perfect
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| 10:26 | <garymc> now login with another user
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| 10:26 | ?
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| 10:26 | <ogra> now your testuser should get it if you newly log in with his account
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| 10:26 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:26 | hold on
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| 10:28 | <garymc> do i have to logon using the client computer or can i do it on the server one?
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| 10:28 | <ogra> anywhere you like
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| 10:29 | <garymc> ok i logged into a new account i aint used on the moc server and the file is not there
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| 10:29 | <ogra> go to /etc/xdg/autostart in your filemanager
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| 10:29 | <garymc> :(
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| 10:30 | <ogra> do you see the CopyToDesktop file in there ?
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| 10:30 | <garymc> ok im there
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| 10:30 | lots of files
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| 10:31 | <ogra> right, you look for copytodeskto.desktop or something along that lines
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| 10:31 | <garymc> ok there is a diamond shape with copyToDesktop there
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| 10:31 | no .desktop though
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| 10:32 | * ogra wonders what gadi did wrong | |
| 10:32 | <garymc> unless that is the .desktop file?
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| 10:32 | <ogra> do all the other files have a .desktop suffix ?
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| 10:32 | <garymc> no
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| 10:32 | <ogra> do they have the diamond shape ?
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| 10:32 | <garymc> other files look simialr are
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| 10:32 | YES diamond
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| 10:33 | <ogra> good
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| 10:33 | <garymc> GNOME Settings Deamon
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| 10:33 | looks the same
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| 10:33 | Network Authentication
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| 10:33 | <ogra> good, hmm
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| 10:33 | <garymc> looks the same too
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| 10:34 | <ogra> what happens if you doubleclick it
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| 10:34 | (the copytodesktop one)
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| 10:35 | <garymc> nothing
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| 10:35 | <ogra> right click it ... look at the properties
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| 10:36 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:36 | commmand : /usr/local/bin/copyToDesktop
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| 10:36 | <ogra> looks ok
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| 10:36 | type application
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| 10:36 | ?
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| 10:36 | <garymc> desktop configuration file (application/x-desktop)
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| 10:37 | <ogra> yeah, thats fine
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| 10:37 | so thats all proper
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| 10:37 | <garymc> seems to be
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| 10:38 | <ogra> can you open a terminal
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| 10:38 | <garymc> yes
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| 10:38 | <ogra> lets see if /usr/local/bin/copyToDesktop works
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| 10:38 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:38 | <ogra> delete the test launcher from teh desktop, the one we created before
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| 10:39 | <ogra> and then run /usr/local/bin/copyToDesktop in the terminal
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| 10:39 | <garymc> in the usr/loacl/share folder?
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| 10:39 | <ogra> no
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| 10:39 | only from your desktop
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| 10:39 | <garymc> i put it in the /usr/local/share/launchers folder
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| 10:40 | <ogra> ok
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| 10:40 | <garymc> the onle pointing to a file
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| 10:40 | *one
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| 10:40 | <ogra> as long as its there its fine...
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| 10:40 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:40 | back to the terminal?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> in the terminal type: /usr/local/bin/copyToDesktop
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| 10:40 | and hit enter
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| 10:41 | <garymc> it says no such file or dir
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| 10:41 | do I have to goto root?
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| 10:41 | <garymc> or cd /usr etc
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| 10:41 | <ogra> are you sure you didnt mistype ?
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| 10:41 | <garymc> ahh
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| 10:41 | sorry hold on
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| 10:41 | ok
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| 10:42 | <ogra> linux is very picky with typos ;)
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| 10:42 | <garymc> speltcop instead of copy
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| 10:42 | it says
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| 10:42 | cp: missing destination file operand after '/usr/local/share/launchers/*.desktop~/Desktop'
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| 10:43 | <ogra> there you have the error
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| 10:43 | there is a space missing between .desktop and ~/Desktop
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| 10:43 | <garymc> ok how do i fix?
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| 10:43 | <ogra> su
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| 10:43 | type the root password
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| 10:43 | <garymc> damn one little space missing and it all comes crashing down
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| 10:44 | <ogra> as i said ... picky about typos ;)
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| 10:44 | <garymc> im in root
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| 10:44 | :)
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| 10:44 | <ogra> gedit /usr/local/bin/copyToDesktop
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| 10:44 | type that in your terminal
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| 10:44 | should fire up the editor
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| 10:45 | <garymc> cool
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| 10:45 | <ogra> add the space and save
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| 10:45 | <garymc> so it should be
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| 10:45 | *.desktop~ /Desktop ?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> /usr/local/share/launchers/*.desktop ~/Desktop
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| 10:46 | cp /usr/local/share/launchers/*.desktop ~/Desktop
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| 10:46 | more precisely
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| 10:46 | <garymc> yeah
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| 10:46 | done it and saved
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| 10:46 | <ogra> good now try again
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| 10:46 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:46 | I will right now
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| 10:46 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:47 | <garymc> yes it works
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| 10:47 | <ogra> yay
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| 10:47 | <garymc> So can I do this for all sorts of things now
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| 10:47 | <ogra> yep
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| 10:47 | <garymc> can people delete this?
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| 10:47 | <ogra> they can
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| 10:47 | but all launchers will be back on next login
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| 10:47 | <garymc> but will it be back there when they log on
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| 10:47 | Ahhhh hahahahaha
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| 10:48 | Yes you both have been sooo helpful
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| 10:48 | one thing
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| 10:48 | I click on the file and it says
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| 10:49 | there is no application for this file type
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| 10:50 | <ogra> well, you picked a random file
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| 10:50 | <garymc> it was a php file that should beable to display with firefox?
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| 10:50 | <ogra> if you use a file the desktop can handle it will do the right thing ... i.e. a url, or a path to a pdf file
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| 10:50 | no, php needs a webserver
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| 10:50 | <garymc> hmmm ok
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| 10:50 | so if i install a webserver it would work then?
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| 10:51 | thats on my next to do list
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| 10:51 | <ogra> right
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| 10:51 | <ogra> you point the url to your localhost ...
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| 10:51 | <garymc> as i need to create a list of entries my call centre people would fill in and ad to a mySQL database
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| 10:51 | <ogra> i.e. http://localhost/ would give you the startpage of your local webserver
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| 10:51 | <garymc> right
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| 10:52 | Cool
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| 10:52 | so its all possible though
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| 10:52 | i need to buy a decent server now
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| 10:52 | <ogra> http://localhost/myfunnyapp.php would run myfunnyapp on the webserver
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| 10:52 | <garymc> and apply all this stuff
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| 10:53 | is it relativly easy to set it up to run a web intranet server?
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| 10:53 | <ogra> mind you, setting up a php capable webserver is rather advanced
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| 10:53 | but there are a lot of howtos
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| 10:53 | <garymc> :(
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| 10:53 | ok
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| 10:53 | well since i only just seen fedora linux this week i feel with your help i have come along way
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| 10:54 | also got to run clients off a moc server too
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| 10:54 | so a bit more head bashing should get me there i hope
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| 10:54 | not just my own head that is
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| 10:54 | <ogra> and i dont even have a clue about fedora :)
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| 10:55 | <garymc> nice
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| 10:58 | <garymc> Hey Ogra
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| 10:58 | Once I set this all up on my server
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| 10:58 | can I setup bios so it doesnt need a monitor or keyboard to boot up?
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| 10:58 | <ogra> sure
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| 10:58 | <garymc> cool
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| 10:58 | Im starting to really love linux
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| 10:58 | much more than microsoft
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| 10:59 | <ogra> you dont need to do anything for monitor in the BIOS though ... just dont plug one in
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| 10:59 | <garymc> infact microsoft is starting to suck in my mind
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| 10:59 | ahhhh coool
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| 10:59 | well you have been most helpful
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| 10:59 | Thanks for everything I need to go now and eat some food
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| 10:59 | speak soon and thanks again
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| 10:59 | <ogra> welcome and enjoy your food
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| 10:59 | <garymc> bye
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| 11:46 | <bieb> Gadi: you still here?
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| 11:47 | <Gadi> whats up?
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| 11:47 | <bieb> I used your AD setup guide.. and it works perfectly
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> great!
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| 11:48 | <bieb> but.. it doesnt map printers when users login.. is there another doc I need to look through?
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> map printers?
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| 11:48 | * ogra wasnt aware Gadi was into advertisements | |
| 11:48 | <Gadi> ah, germans and comedy
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| 11:48 | :)
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| 11:49 | <ogra> :P
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| 11:49 | <bieb> the clients are in the 2 student labs.. when a student logs into Windows.. they get mapped to the 2 networked lab printers
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| 11:50 | <bieb> ogra: I didnt know you are German.. when in germany are you?
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> bieb: you mean you want users in one lab to get one printer and students in another lab to get a different printer?
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| 11:50 | <ogra> bieb, yesterday afternoon
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| 11:50 | :P
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> oy
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| 11:50 | <ogra> i guess you mean *where* though :)
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| 11:51 | bieb, pretty much in the middle ... in a massively boring town called kassel
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| 11:51 | <bieb> actually.. they currently get both lab printers.. this way if one is busy or down.. they can select the other
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| 11:51 | ogra: yeah I meant where
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| 11:51 | ahhh.. I was in Munich last summer for vacation
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> bieb: well, if you want them all to get the same printers, just install those printers on the LTSP server
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| 11:52 | <bieb> can printers be determined by client profiles? this is for after I get sabayan working
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> if you want to map printers to thin clients, stgraber added an LDM_PRINTER and LDM_PRINTER_LIST lts.conf variable, but the list requires a patched version of cups
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| 11:53 | bieb: you want to map printers to workstations - not to users
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| 11:53 | anyhow, LDM_PRINTER = default print queue
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| 11:53 | <ogra> bieb, munich != germany ... munich == bavaria :)
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| 11:53 | <bieb> nahh.. most of the thin clients will get the same printers... in the future, we will add a couple clients that are not in our lab
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> LDM_PRINTER_LIST = list of print queues to be displayed
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| 11:54 | <bieb> gotcha
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| 11:54 | ogra: as long as it was inside the border.. its part of Germany to me.. :D
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| 11:55 | <ogra> bieb, not for the bavarians :)
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| 11:55 | <bieb> I bet
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| 11:55 | <ogra> they would put a fence around it if they could
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| 11:55 | <bieb> ogra: next year change BTS to BTB??
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| 11:56 | <bieb> Gadi: I will just map to the 2 printers for the lab
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| 12:00 | <bieb> ogra: how much does a keyboard cost in Germany?
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| 12:01 | * Gadi reflects upon how bizarre it is for the black eyed peas to use Mazel Tov in their lyrics... | |
| 12:02 | <ogra> bieb, heh, no idea, the one i type on was given to me 5 years ago by a sun guy who wanted to throw it in the dumpster
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| 12:02 | <bieb> lol
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| 12:03 | <ogra> i usually only do work on my laptop anyway
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| 12:03 | its rare that i actually attach my monitor and the kbd to it
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| 12:04 | (you catched me on one of my special days where i actually work in my office/lab)
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| 12:04 | <bieb> reason I was asking is; the HS my son is going to this year has a german club.. I was thinking about talking to the woman in charge of the german classes about ltsp in her class since it would be easy to setup a basic ltsp server and have all the clients and server set in german.. but I figure the keyboard would be different than a standard US one
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| 12:04 | <ogra> yep
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| 12:04 | it has the z and y in the right place :)
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| 12:04 | as well as the /
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| 12:05 | unlike the us ones
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> er, that's the "international" ones
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| 12:05 | :P
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| 12:05 | <ogra> get him one like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/200801191443_Japanische_Tastatur.jpeg
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| 12:05 | he'll never miss a key
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| 12:05 | <bieb> lol
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| 12:06 | that would take for ever to hunt and peck
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| 12:06 | <ogra> hehe
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| 12:06 | well, if he returns to normal he types with 400bpm ;)
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| 12:06 | <bieb> :)
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| 12:06 | <ogra> "it's all so tiny daddy"
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| 12:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> Hey all. I'm trying to come up with the best way to run iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE on boot
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| 12:07 | thus far I have tried a script in if-up.d
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| 12:07 | no dice though :/
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| 12:07 | <bieb> move him from that keyboard to a netbook's keyboard
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| 12:07 | <johnny> doesn't fedora/rhel have infra for that alread?
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: I do it from /etc/network/interfaces
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| 12:08 | auto lo
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| 12:08 | iface lo inet loopback
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| 12:08 | pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules
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| 12:08 | _UsUrPeR_: --^
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| 12:08 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "script for iptables -- ip forward" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/453
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| 12:09 | <ogra> or do it with ufw
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| 12:09 | it even has a gui
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| 12:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: oh :) that works too?
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| 12:09 | * _UsUrPeR_ tries that out | |
| 12:09 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: you need to do an: iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules
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| 12:09 | to save your setup
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| 12:09 | <bieb> Gadi: one other thing with the printers... we use a Print Management software http://www.netop.com/products/administration/printlimit-pro.htm what kinda wrench does that throw into just mapping the printers on the server?
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| 12:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> bieb: should be transparent - I am guessing the software prompts the user for a password or some such?
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| 12:11 | <bieb> it ties to their AD account. so when I login in and the PLP client opens it shows.. hbieber balance: $x.xx
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| 12:12 | there is a linux client for Print Limit Pro
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> ah, there ya go
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| 12:12 | so, it should be the same deal, I assume
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| 12:12 | <bieb> I havent installed it on the server yet, didnt know if I had to map the printers first.. or if they could be mapped with the user
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> I'm sure they have a support team that can answer better than I, tho
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| 12:13 | you probably create the print queues first
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| 12:13 | and then manage them with the software
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| 12:13 | but that's a guess
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| 12:14 | what did you do on the windows server?
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| 12:14 | <bieb> good point.. might have to call and see if they have any other customers that are using this on LTSP
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> its independent of LTSP
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| 12:14 | installation on a linux PC will be the same
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| 12:14 | <bieb> ok
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| 12:14 | I will give it a try and see what comes up
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> yup
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| 13:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ping (again) :P
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| 13:51 | <bieb> I saw a document yesterday on how to setup an ltsp test environmet in vmware... I cant remember where I saw that doc, if anyone knows a good doc to follow.. let me know
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| 13:51 | I am trying to find the one I looked at yesterday
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: I ponged you this morning :)
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| 13:59 | What can I do for you?
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| 14:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: sabayon
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| 14:00 | I would like to help get it working
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| 14:01 | has anything new been created that I can test out for you?
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> Certainly. I'd like you to write a C python extention that finds a free display number using the standard XOpenDisplay() X11 intrinsic library calls, as opposed to doing a socket connect to 127.0.0.1 :)
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| 14:02 | Feel up to that?
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| 14:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> weehaw! I'll give it a shot. :D
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| 14:04 | fyi: the going may be slow :)
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> Don't worry about it: I'm working on it now.
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| 14:05 | As well, I've made contact with federico in #sabayon on irc.gnome.org
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| 14:05 | We''re going to talk about sabayon later, hopefully.
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| 14:06 | Sigh, I have to figure out how to get the extention to return a bool. Most of the examples I've found only return either ints or nothing :)
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| 14:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: mind throwing it up on pastebin?
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> Throwing *what* up on pastebin?
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| 14:12 | * _UsUrPeR_ re-reads above. Oh, an extension. | |
| 14:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> I was thinking script/program with bool.
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> No, contacting 127.0.0.1 isn't a good way to find a free display id
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| 14:13 | really, you should cycle through using XOpenDisplay
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| 14:14 | but that has to be done in C
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> There *is* a python-xlib we could use, but it's dead upstream, hasn't been updated since 2007
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| 14:15 | I'm a little reluctant to pull that in as a dependency.
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| 14:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> That I can understand
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> So, that means I have to add a function to the xlib.c that's included with sabayon.
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| 14:16 | So, I'm working on that now.
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| 15:14 | <garymc> hi
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| 15:14 | <garymc> Thanks to Ogra earlier I managed to make my thin clients see files i inteded them to on the desktop when they logged in.
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| 15:15 | Iam now wanting to setup an intranet for my business. I want to load info into a mySQL database
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| 15:15 | does anyone know of any good guides and what software i need to install on my LTSP server?
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| 15:16 | I think i need
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| 15:16 | APACHE
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| 15:16 | PHP 5?
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| 15:16 | mySQL
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| 15:16 | dont know if I need others.
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| 15:16 | <johnny> you're gonna have to read more elsewhere
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| 15:16 | all apps will tell you what software they need
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| 15:17 | <garymc> Can I have a intranet webserver so I can send emails to users on my LTSP ?
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| 15:17 | <johnny> plenty of tutorials via google and/or ubuntu wiki
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| 15:17 | <bieb> what are you running garymc? ubuntu? Fedora?
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| 15:17 | <garymc> Fedora 10 i think with LTSP. It was an LTSP package I installed
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| 15:18 | Upto now Im really impressed with it
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| 15:18 | Ive been googling but get all diffrent descriptions of installation etc
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| 15:18 | just thought Id ask if any of you knew
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| 15:19 | <johnny> i do.. but this ain't the place for it
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| 15:19 | <garymc> where is the place for it then johnny
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| 15:19 | <johnny> first you should read on the internet..
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| 15:19 | <bieb> #fedora
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| 15:20 | <johnny> it is not good for me to regurgitate info you can read on google
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| 15:20 | it wastes my time and yours
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| 15:20 | <garymc> im not asking for you to regurgitate
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> Holy.
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| 15:20 | Freaking.
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| 15:20 | Saints.
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| 15:20 | <bieb> garymc: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/
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| 15:20 | <garymc> just wanted pointing in the right direction
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> I cannot BELEIVE what I just pulled off
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| 15:21 | <bieb> you won the lottery?
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| 15:21 | <garymc> thanks bieb
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| 15:21 | <bieb> garymc: no prob
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> I've never written a python extention before. I fixed the sabayon socket bug, I think
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| 15:21 | first time
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| 15:21 | no errors
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| 15:21 | works here
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| 15:21 | <garymc> i think i have fedora 10 is it similar to fedora 10?
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| 15:21 | * sbalneav shakes head. | |
| 15:21 | <sbalneav> Unbeleivable
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| 15:21 | <garymc> sorry similar to fedora 11?
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> Ok, dput'ing sabayon -12
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| 15:22 | <bieb> garymc: just start at the 11 site and look back in the docs for 10
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| 15:22 | <garymc> ok thanks
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| 15:22 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_, bieb, alkisg, keep your eyes peeled.
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| 15:22 | <bieb> saweet sbalneav
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| 15:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> bitchin
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> No guarentee it'll work for YOU guys, however...
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| 15:23 | We'll see.
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| 15:23 | <bieb> :)
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| 15:24 | <sbalneav> ok, dput'd, in the build queue.
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| 15:26 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "patch to sabayon for XOpenDisplay" (136 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/454
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| 15:27 | <johnny> sbalneav, have you caught up with somebody to integrate your patches?
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| 15:27 | if you can't get federico to help.. or sayamindu.. bark at me
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> I've been talking to both of them
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| 15:28 | <johnny> ok good
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| 15:28 | <bieb> sbalneav: we dont need to do anything with that pastebot correct?
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> no, I'm merely showing my work :)
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| 15:28 | <bieb> cool
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> sbalneav: I think there's one problem in the sabayon patch you pasted
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| 15:43 | dnum = 0 is actually a case where a display is found
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| 15:43 | you should prolly set found=-1 to start
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| 15:43 | and check for found < 0
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| 15:43 | <atomic007za> hi
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| 15:45 | <sbalneav> Prolly.
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| 15:46 | As well I should have /win 5
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| 15:46 | METH_NOARGS on the function as well.
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| 16:04 | <sbalneav> Gadi: fixed, pushed
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| 16:05 | <Gadi> u rock
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| 16:06 | * Gadi has never used sabayon, but know of folks who should :) | |
| 16:06 | <sbalneav> Well, it's going to need to WORK first :)
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| 16:07 | <Gadi> yeah - the display finding code that they had is kind of a hackish way to go about it
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| 16:09 | <Gadi> though, I guess your way may not work if the reason you canno topen the display is because of xauth
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| 16:10 | rather than being free
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| 16:10 | * vagrantc notices some hackish display finding code in ltspfs and ldm ... | |
| 16:10 | <Gadi> :P
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| 16:10 | vagrantc: well, if I knew C as well as sbalneav
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| 16:10 | :)
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| 16:11 | * vagrantc has implemented vagrantc's fair share of hacks | |
| 16:12 | <Gadi> oh, actually I take back the xauth comment
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| 16:12 | I reread the code
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| 16:12 | you actually open the display successfully before calling it free
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| 16:12 | and then close it
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| 16:12 | much better
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| 16:12 | see - that's why sbalneav rocks
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| 16:12 | well, one of many reasons
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> I don't think we even HAVE any display code anymore in ldm, display's already open when we're launched
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| 16:13 | * Gadi thinks vagrantc is referring to my ugly ltspfs-related hacks | |
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> As for ltspfs, there's nothning hackish there, XOpenDisplay(NULL) just tells it to look at the DISPLAY variable.
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| 16:16 | That's A-OK
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you're thinking in C, and not in shell hooks
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| 16:17 | i haven't put the time (or really have much idea) to make them better
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| 16:18 | <sbalneav> Which file?
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> in ltspfs-trunk: scripts/ltspfs_entry and scripts/ldm/X10-delayed-mounter
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| 16:19 | <Gadi> sbalneav: stuff to make local ltspfsmounter behave
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> Neither one of those are *that* bad.
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| 16:21 | Only way to make them better would be to do something like grep the /proc/<pid of ldm>/env file for the DISPLAY value, or the like.
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| 16:21 | vagrantc: and I *always* think in X
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| 16:21 | err C
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> well, can't do that because ldm may not be running
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| 16:21 | <sbalneav> it's my ouvre :)
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> local ltspfsmounter is for situations like rdesktop+localdev
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| 16:22 | <sbalneav> Gadi: yeah. So the implementation's not that bad.
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| 16:22 | What would be REALLY nice, is if X created something like a status test file somewhere.
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> what would be better would be if I knew enough C to make ltspfsmounter not require DISPLAY or xauth or anything for local mounts
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| 16:23 | or not error out if DISPLAY is empty and not used
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| 16:23 | <sbalneav> Well, in your case...
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> and actually, its ltspfsd that complains
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| 16:23 | not ltspfsmounter
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| 16:23 | I think
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| 16:24 | <sbalneav> That would be easy to correct in C. You gonna come to the hackfest in Maine?
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> I plan to
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| 16:25 | do we have a date set yet?
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| 16:25 | <sbalneav> Lets put it on the schedule then.
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| 16:25 | I think jammcq's thinking 3rd week in October, but I'm not sure if that's finalized.
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| 16:25 | <Gadi> a hack better done inebriated
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| 16:25 | :)
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| 16:25 | <sbalneav> ALL hacks are better done inebriated :)
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| 16:26 | Okiedoke. Home time for me. I learned something new today, fixed a bug, and got one step closer to being upstream for sabayon.
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| 16:26 | Miller time.
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| 16:26 | <Gadi> lol
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| 16:26 | <sbalneav> See you all later tonight.
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| 16:26 | Cheers, all
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| 16:27 | <Gadi> cheers!
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| 16:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: good evening
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| 16:28 | * vagrantc is changing timezones without moving | |
| 16:33 | <Lns> vagrantc, you time traveling demon!
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| 16:33 | * vagrantc is jus tired, really | |
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| 16:38 | <Lns> (quote taken from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTqsV3q7rRU )
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| 16:50 | <stgraber> alkisg: hey, do you have the URL to your udhcpc initramfs script ?
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> stgraber: moment, let me find it...
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| 16:51 | stgraber: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/temp/udhcp
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| 16:52 | <stgraber> thanks
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| 17:19 | <atomic007za> does anyone know what the pwer consumption between 8.04 and 9.04 is?
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| 17:19 | <atomic007za> when using thin clients?
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| 17:29 | <sbalneav> atomic007za: Power consumption?
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| 17:30 | <atomic007za> cpu drain and memory usage
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| 17:31 | sorry
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> ooooh. autologin kiosks with "nodm"
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| 17:40 | <Lns> vagrantc, nodm?
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> http://packages.debian.org/nodm
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| 17:41 | much simpler to configure autologin than with gdm, and presumably lower on resources.
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| 17:41 | <Lns> what about ldm?
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| 17:42 | it's already in there
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> ldm has autologin to a server, but re-writing ldm to handle local logins would seem like a bad idea.
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| 17:43 | <Lns> ah, you're not doing this under ltsp i gather
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> no, i am.
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| 17:43 | <Lns> fatclient?
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> like a web kiosk or something
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| 17:44 | * vagrantc hates the whole "fat" namespace | |
| 17:44 | <Lns> yeah...
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| 17:44 | so 'local logins' meaning in the chroot logins?
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| 17:45 | i see, i think =p basically kiosk sessions served via ltsp, but don't share server resources
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> just uses the server for the filesystem
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| 17:46 | all applications running on the client's CPU and RAM.
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| 17:47 | <Lns> cool
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| 17:47 | do you do that via localapps?
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| 17:52 | Can anyone comment on localapps serving an entire DE ? Does it seem to work pretty flawlessly?
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| 17:57 | <vagrantc> Lns: no, localapps is when you start the application on the server.
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| 17:58 | Lns: this is begins and ends on the thin client.
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| 17:58 | Lns: but now, to confuse you ... yes, i have used localapps to run the entire desktop environment.
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| 17:58 | <Lns> heh
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| 17:58 | how did it run?
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> Lns: for environments where you want everything to run locally, but have authenticated accounts, it's a decent hack.
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| 17:59 | <Lns> vagrantc, so is what you're talking about w/node something totally new?
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| 18:00 | <Lns> s/node/nodm
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| 18:00 | <vagrantc> Lns: that's something else entirely... let's finish talking about localapps for the whole session first, otherwise it'll be all kinds of confusing.
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| 18:00 | <Lns> haha.. ok
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| 18:01 | I'm just trying to foresee when i will want to do some kind of 'kiwi' setup but not w/opensuse
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| 18:01 | <vagrantc> Lns: so, the one problem with running the entire session as a localapp, is you have no way to know on the server-side when the localapp is finished running.
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| 18:01 | <Lns> network booting 'fat' clients (or whatever you wanna call it)
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| 18:01 | ah
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| 18:01 | <vagrantc> Lns: but it shouldn't be hard to figure that out.
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| 18:02 | we just need xatomwait on the server as well as the thin client.
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| 18:02 | <Lns> what kind of problems does that create
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> probably need to package xatomwait into an ltsp-common or it's own package ...
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> so that the server-side script can run something that watches for changes to X properties when the session is finished.
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| 18:03 | so that's localapps used to run the entire session locally ...
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| 18:04 | <Lns> sounds like there could be a much richer communications between client & server regarding "what's up" on each
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| 18:04 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 18:04 | <Lns> man, that's what i really wanted to get going too with my original project
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| 18:05 | lns = 'lucid node system'.. a socket between tc & server that you can pass arbitrary python code between the two and 'do things'
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> so ... the thing i'm interested in using nodm for is to replace gdm in the --kiosk mode, where you have an automatically logged in user without any authentication server-side, and all applications running locally.
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| 18:05 | <Lns> so the server knows exactly what's going on on the client
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| 18:05 | ah
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| 18:06 | <vagrantc> all the server is at that point is an NFS or NBD server.
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| 18:06 | a file server, speaking generically
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| 18:06 | <Lns> sure
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| 18:06 | <Lns> how hard can it be to do autologin w/gdm though?
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| 18:07 | you just want something super slim for that use case?
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> gdm is not terribly hard to set up, but it is harder than nodm ... nodm can really easily integrate as a screen.d script.
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| 18:08 | and then it doesn't pull in hundreds of megabytes of packages just to do autologin.
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| 18:08 | * vagrantc is exaderrating, but not much | |
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| 18:16 | <sbalneav> Lns: research dtubes
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| 18:16 | <Lns> vagrantc, gotcha
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| 18:20 | <sbalneav> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Tubes
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| 18:23 | <Lns> sbalneav, thanks!! had no idea that existed
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| 18:24 | sbalneav, hrm...uses dbus though..that wouldn't be useful for non-logged-in clients, right? :(
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| 18:25 | * Lns needs to read up more on how dbus functions | |
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| 18:31 | <Lns> ah..dbus has a global 'system bus' that isn't user specific...question, is there a ltsp client < - > server dbus session before user login?
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| 18:32 | i'm thinking not
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| 18:32 | * Lns continues to read about dbus | |
| 18:38 | <sbalneav> No. It's something we need.
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| 18:54 | <Lns> almost a variation of the systembus
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| 19:03 | oh. maybe that's what sbalneav was talking about w/dtubes =p
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| 19:03 | * Lns turns on lantern | |
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| 19:54 | <johnny> so if you have a serial cash drawer
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| 19:54 | that's easy to do in ltsp right? :)
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| 19:56 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 19:56 | <johnny> one of the folks @ mondragon is asking
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| 19:56 | <sbalneav> Serial lines can run hundreds of feet. Just run the lines from the server to the cash drawer. Problem solved! :)
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| 19:57 | <johnny> lol
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| 19:58 | <sbalneav> Barring that... the usual routine. Write some daemon to listen on a socket, send goo to cash drawer, start it on terminal, have program send data to socket, yaddayaddayadda
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| 19:59 | <sbalneav> In simplicity, somewhere firmly between falling off a log, and a manned mission to Jupiters Moons :)
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| 20:01 | <johnny> sbalneav, i thought it would work similiar to how the serial printer worked
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| 20:01 | :(
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| 20:02 | ah. but tha'ts handled by jet thingy :(
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| 20:02 | i forgot
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| 20:04 | <sbalneav> How does the drawer work? Does it need actual data, or if you just toggle one of DSR or CD or something like that it opens?
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| 20:08 | <johnny> hopefully he'll come in here
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| 20:08 | and he can talk to you directly then
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| 20:09 | <sbalneav> Well, It'll have to be in an hour. I'm gonna go for a walk. Need my excercise
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| 21:11 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 21:20 | <vagrantc> !seen warren
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| 21:20 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: warren was last seen in #ltsp 3 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 45 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <warren> g
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| 21:20 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 22:11 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: heh, saw your mail :)
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| 22:12 | <sbalneav> Got an idea as to how much ram it's using?
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> seems like it wants to allocate a 64MB pool ... but it it surely doesn't consume 64MB ...
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| 22:13 | <sbalneav> 1 S sbalneav 11627 1 0 80 0 - 23668 poll 21:11 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start
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| 22:13 | erp
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> have folks used 64MB thin clients with pulseaudio sound?
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| 22:14 | as soon as i upped the ram to 128, sound worked again (after fixing a couple other issues)
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| 22:14 | <sbalneav> Well, back in the 7.10 days, I tested with 64m
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| 22:14 | seems pulse has gotten bigger since then.
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> that's getting to be a long time ago
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| 22:15 | <sbalneav> Well, for the last year, I haven't done much but the docs :)
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| 22:15 | You guys are going gangbusters.
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| 22:15 | <vagrantc> it's good to have someone working on the docs, that's for sure.
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| 22:15 | heh
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| 22:16 | i mostly felt like it was calming down, and it's mostly just putting on the polish
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| 22:16 | <sbalneav> Well, thats why I picked 'em up. Between you, Gadi, and stgraber, you're handled most of the polish
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| 22:17 | I'm good at the rough brush strokes. I'll let other people clean up the edges. Docs needed love.
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| 22:17 | Besides, I've been planning for ldm3 :)
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| 22:17 | <Ahmuck> i've got 256, and have problems with pulse, bumped up to 512, still have problems
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| 22:17 | <sbalneav> We really need a full glib mainline.
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| 22:17 | that, and I've been putting thought to the dbus issue
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| 22:17 | and sabayon
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ldm3, eh? wheee.
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| 22:18 | <sbalneav> well, there's some fundamental problems with 2
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| 22:18 | signal handling's not complete
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| 22:18 | etc.
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| 22:18 | * vagrantc was happy to see more of it split into shell snippets | |
| 22:18 | <vagrantc> so much easier to maintain
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| 22:19 | <sbalneav> Sure. I'm just wondering how much ram it's taking up now, since there's now at least ONE shell always running in conjunction with it.
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| 22:19 | however, it's still svelte compared to pulse
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| 22:19 | :)
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| 22:19 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 22:20 | * vagrantc weighs the merits of going to sleep before vs. after sunrise | |
| 22:20 | <sbalneav> Where are you?
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> caceres, spain
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| 22:20 | <sbalneav> Ah, debconf?
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 22:21 | <sbalneav> otavio there?
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> had some good work on NBD support in debian's ltsp, and also working with the LXDE maintainer to make it more thin-client freindly
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| 22:22 | (and in NBD upstream, actually)
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| 22:22 | <sbalneav> Oh??? do tell!
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> also been working on cross-architecture LTSP builds using qemu
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| 22:22 | <sbalneav> Oh, that's nice. We've needed that for a bit.
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yeah, otavio's here, though he officially requested to be removed from the Uploaders field of LTSP packages :(
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| 22:22 | too much other work
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| 22:23 | <sbalneav> Huh, interesting.
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> but andrewlee (the debian LXDE maintainer, close freinds with upstream LXDE) is very excited about LTSP.
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| 22:23 | <sbalneav> He cornered us in Brazil, with the usual (valid) complaint, that LTSP has gotten too big for some older hardware.
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> it *has* gotten to big.
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| 22:24 | <sbalneav> Well, no.
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| 22:24 | LTSP hasn't gotten too big
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| 22:24 | our stuff's small
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| 22:24 | <vagrantc> i mean, your great emails about people's expectations going up are also true
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| 22:24 | <sbalneav> LINUX has gotten too big
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| 22:24 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 22:24 | <sbalneav> Kernels big
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| 22:24 | X is big
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| 22:24 | Pulse is big
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| 22:25 | LDM's tiny
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| 22:25 | LTSPFS is small
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| 22:25 | Anyway, otavio figured if an ltsp chroot was built with linuxembedded, that would fix all the problems. He offered to do it for us, we said "go for it"
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| 22:26 | looks like that's off the table then.
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> we really need to get more involved with the one community that has a lot of active development with modern GNU/Linux installs ... the embedded community.
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| 22:26 | heh!
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| 22:26 | <mondragondesk3> I've been poking around in the docs and I've somehow managed to miss what I assume is a relatively basic concept : differentiating the workstations so they can have differing entries in the lts.conf
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> it's something to look into
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| 22:27 | mondragondesk3: with [] that contains the mac address
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| 22:27 | <mondragondesk3> ahh! :)
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> mondragondesk3: or [hostname] or ip address: [1.2.3.4]
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| 22:27 | but mac address is usually best
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| 22:28 | sbalneav: yeah, tapping into the embedded stuff would probably make our thin clients look very powerful :)
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| 22:29 | *sigh*
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| 22:30 | <sbalneav> mondragondesk3: Check the docs
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| 22:30 | !docs
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| 22:30 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 22:30 | <sbalneav> There's a nice section in there explaining it.
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'll see if i can poke the emdebian folks, while i'm here.
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| 22:30 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Well, it can't hurt to try.
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| 22:31 | * vagrantc still wonders what the heck a memory pool that doesn't actually consume X amount of memory but fails if less than X amount of memory actually is | |
| 22:31 | <vagrantc> available
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| 22:33 | <sbalneav> Hmmm
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| 22:33 | * sbalneav racks brain | |
| 22:34 | <sbalneav> Isn't there something about greedy memory allocation? overcommit? Something?
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| 22:34 | Some kernel command line switch?!?!? ARGHH
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| 22:34 | It's on the tip of my brain.
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| 22:34 | hold on. Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle will know
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| 22:37 | http://opsmonkey.blogspot.com/2007/01/linux-memory-overcommit.html
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| 22:39 | vagrantc: It would be interesting to try doing a "sysctl ... vm.overcommit_memory = 1" somewhere before pulse starts up
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| 22:41 | * vagrantc particularly liked http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/ | |
| 22:44 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 22:53 | <mondragondesk3> thanks for the help thus far.. I rebooted to get mac address from the bootup process; added a [mac-address] entry with one entry, PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/ttyS0 ... My understanding is that this means that all /dev/ttyS0 "traffic" will stay local.. then I tried echoing to it, but, silence.. is there an easy debuggy way I can confirm that the "traffic" is indeed going to the local device?
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| 23:01 | <mondragondesk3> yeep.. summoned away.. more tries tomorrow :)
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