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Channel log from 21 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:49 | <highvoltage> howdy
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| 03:49 | I want to use local apps on Ubuntu, and I'm following the instructions on http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps
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| 03:50 | I put LOCAL_APPS = Y under [Default] in my lts.conf, but ssh doesn't start up on the client
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| 04:58 | <nubae1> highvoltage: did u install ssh in the client chroot?
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| 04:58 | <highvoltage> nubae1: no, I assumed it was already there (bad assumption now that I think about it)
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| 04:58 | <nubae1> :-)
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| 05:03 | <highvoltage> is that the right instructions for doing local apps these days, btw?
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| 05:08 | <Nubae> not sure, seems quite ancient to me
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| 05:09 | some of the stuff on there is from 2005
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| 05:09 | ogra, is this still applicable?: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps
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| 05:11 | <amol> Nubae, hi
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| 05:11 | <Nubae> hi there
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| 05:12 | <amol> Nubae, can you tell me what should i edit in udev rules to access local harddisk?
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| 05:13 | <Nubae> I took a look yesterday and you have to enable it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/50
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| 05:13 | -ltspfd.rules
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| 05:14 | its disabled there by default...
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| 05:15 | <amol> in my system i got this file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules not ltspfd.rules
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| 05:15 | are they same?
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| 05:15 | <cyberorg> highvoltage, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps at the moment it is experimental and available out of box only on suse
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| 05:16 | it is not recommended for production use
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| 05:17 | <highvoltage> cyberorg: and will that work fnie on ubuntu as well?
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| 05:17 | <Nubae> amol: no...
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| 05:17 | <cyberorg> highvoltage, you will need to install firefox or whatever app you want, "running" and "how does it work" part are same for ubuntu
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| 05:17 | <Nubae> u should have something like ltsp-rules or ltspfd-rules
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| 05:18 | <highvoltage> well, ltsp-localapps isn't available on ubuntu :/
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| 05:18 | <Nubae> cyberorg: a lot of stuff is ancient on that page
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| 05:18 | <cyberorg> Nubae, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps is most current, except the way local apps are installed is different on suse
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| 05:18 | <Nubae> oh, not yours... the other page :-)
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| 05:19 | <ltsppbot> "amol" pasted "udev files" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/83
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| 05:19 | <Nubae> here: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_ltspfsd.rules
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| 05:19 | <amol> Nubae, i have pasted all my files what i have in udev ..there is no ltsp related rules file
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| 05:20 | Nubae, yes i got this
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| 05:20 | <Nubae> amol ^^
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| 05:21 | you'll notice there is a line that is commented out talking about hard drives
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| 05:21 | enable it
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| 05:22 | <amol> Nubae, thanks alot it worked..
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| 05:23 | <Nubae> hard drives now working?
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| 05:23 | <amol> Nubae, yes it mounted..
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| 05:23 | <Nubae> with localdev=true in lts.conf?
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| 05:24 | <cyberorg> amol, now put this information in a wiki somewhere so we can point anyone who asks over there :)
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| 05:24 | <amol> Nubae, yes that line in lts.conf and uncommenting in udev it mounted
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| 05:24 | <Nubae> ok
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| 05:25 | <amol> cyberorg, yes surely i am having other info like how to enable 3d in client
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| 05:25 | that as well i will keep in wiki
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| 05:25 | <cyberorg> amol, post a link to the wiki on ltsp-discuss list too
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| 05:26 | <Nubae> and try to make it non distro specific
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| 05:26 | :-)
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| 05:26 | <amol> surely
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| 05:26 | Nubae, cyberorg i have done implementation with 2 client
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| 05:27 | how much maximum client i can add to one ltsp server?
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| 05:27 | <cyberorg> amol, cool :)
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| 05:27 | <Nubae> how long is a piece of string? :-)
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| 05:27 | <amol> cyberorg, i like to implement it in my lab
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| 05:28 | <cyberorg> amol, 150M ram required on the server per client
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| 05:29 | <amol> hardisk space?
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| 05:31 | <cyberorg> amol, if your users have just office documents, 1-5G per client is enough, but if they have a lot of p**n you need lots of space ;)
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| 05:31 | <Nubae> most important thing is if u have more clients, a gigabit network
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| 05:31 | or at least gigabit on the server
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| 05:37 | <amol> i am having one doubt ..in workstation output of command #uname -r is 2.6.22-3-486 same as server but in default file parameter uses vmlinuz which is a link for vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-486
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| 05:37 | as well initrd points to initrd-2.6.26-1-486
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| 05:38 | why not client showing command output as 2.6.21-1-486?
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| 05:44 | <highvoltage> when I add a password for my root user in the chroot, it says that my account has expired when I try to log in on the client
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| 05:44 | what do I need to change to enable my logon?
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| 05:45 | <amol> highvoltage, use usermod command
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| 05:46 | <Nubae> highvoltage: ran into that recently
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| 05:46 | need to switch root lock off
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| 05:46 | <amol> usermod -e 31/12/2009 root
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| 05:46 | <Nubae> like so: passwd -u root
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| 05:46 | <amol> Nubae, this command worked for me..
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| 05:47 | usermod -e 31/12/2009 roo
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| 05:47 | <Nubae> hes better off unlocking it, setting password
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| 05:47 | and then locking again
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| 05:49 | <amol> Nubae, can you tell me about my confusion over uname -r..
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| 05:49 | <Nubae> what's wrong with this command? gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key 1B6E1249;
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| 05:49 | amol: I didn't really understand the question
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| 05:49 | <highvoltage> the lts.conf file comes from /var/lib/tftpboot/i386. how can I add other files that will overwrite the ones in the chroot like that?
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| 05:50 | <Nubae> set them with X_CONF=
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| 05:50 | or something similar, let me check
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| 05:50 | <highvoltage> thanks Nubae
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| 05:52 | <amol> Nubae, in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default file mentioned to use vmlinuz and initrd of version 2.6.21-1-486 but still client shows it is running 2.6.22-3-486
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| 05:53 | <Nubae> highvoltage: RCFILE_NN=/name/of/script/u/want/to/execute
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| 05:54 | <Nubae> but maybe thats not what u are looking for... if you are looking for files that don't need to be compressed, they must be outside the chroot... u can try and see if that command works... NN corresponds to numbers
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| 05:54 | amol: did u do ltsp-update-kernels?
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| 05:55 | <amol> Nubae, yes
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| 05:55 | <highvoltage> Nubae: yep, looking for files that are outside the chroot, not rc scripts, I'll let you know where it is when I find it
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| 05:55 | <amol> Nubae, once again i will try same..
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| 06:08 | <amol> to add different language desktop support at time of login at workstaion LDM_LANGUAGE is sufficent or require to add anything else?
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| 07:57 | <nubae> hmmm, maybe ufw should be mentioned in the ltsp documentation ?
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| 08:00 | <ogra> nubae, only for ubuntu though
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| 08:00 | :)
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| 08:14 | <nubae> oh, doesnt exist for other distros? shame... I love the simplicity of it
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| 08:24 | <ogra> it might be/get into debian
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| 08:33 | <cyberorg> nubae, check out yast2 firewall, all ports on external devices are disabled by default on suse
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| 08:33 | fedora has nice firewall gui too
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| 08:34 | <ogra> ufw has no gui
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| 08:34 | yet
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| 08:34 | what he referst to is the ease of management with it
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| 08:38 | <nubae> yeah it does
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| 08:38 | gufw
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| 08:38 | but I did mean ease of management of the non gui
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| 08:38 | <ogra> oh, i didnt know about gufw :)
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| 08:39 | * ogra installs to take a look | |
| 08:39 | <nubae> looks almost identical to windows protection shield thingie ;-)
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| 08:40 | <ogra> sweet !
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| 08:44 | <nubae> I'm gonna commit what I've got for ltsp-docs... there is probably more to add... but its finished enough to put with intrepid and co.
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| 08:49 | <ogra> cool
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| 08:59 | <amol> on ltsp.org documentation is available till 4.1 version where can i get documentation about LTSP5.0??
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| 09:00 | <nubae> in second u can download it from launchpad
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| 09:00 | hang on
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| 09:11 | <nubae> ogra: I'm getting something odd when trying to commit
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| 09:11 | bzr: ERROR: https://launchpad.net/%7ENubae/%2Bsshkeys is permanently redirected to https://launchpad.net/~nubae/+sshkeys
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| 09:11 | well, when trying to authenticate with launchpad
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| 09:12 | <ogra> do you try to push to something with special http encoding in it ?
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| 09:12 | seems like you try https://launchpad.net/%7ENubae/%2Bsshkeys as push location
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| 09:12 | use https://launchpad.net/~nubae/+sshkeys
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| 09:13 | (ask in #launchpad btw)
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| 09:13 | <nubae> where is that set?
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| 09:13 | ok...
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| 09:18 | <amol> nubae, ogra ltsp5.0 is available on launchpad?
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| 09:18 | <ogra> amol, it gets developed on launchpad, yes
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| 09:23 | http://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 09:30 | <amol> ogra, on this link there is no option to read or download current docs of ltsp5
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| 09:30 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters
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| 09:31 | it has a code branch you can check out with the recent docs, but wait for nubae to push the latest changes
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| 09:31 | <nubae> ok, I pushed it
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| 09:33 | ogra, when u get a chance, let me know if it looks ok
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| 09:45 | <ogra> "It's important to make sure that your server has good power management" is a bit confusing
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| 09:46 | probably call it "power backup facilities" or some such
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| 09:46 | or s/backup/fallback/
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| 09:47 | "Security has become a key challenge for educators" i would call them administrators to be more generic here
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| 09:49 | "This translates into higher quality code and less spy ware and viruses that plague other operating systems." ... "and no spyware and viruses like they plague " ....
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| 09:49 | i find it all over a bit to school centric for a general ltsp handbook
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| 09:50 | it should be more generalized to "administrators" though surely mention that its often used in schools and educational envs
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| 09:50 | <nubae> ok, I'll concentrate on taking out the school specifics... I didn't think about the fact its not just for schools
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| 09:51 | <ogra> try to generalize the flowing text on admins, but use school admins as examples ;)
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| 09:51 | <nubae> a lot of that was taken from edubuntu handbook... which is school specific
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| 09:51 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:52 | <ogra> you sould also mention that there is indeed also paid support available for ltsp ... :)
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| 09:52 | <nubae> only by ubuntu though, right?
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| 09:53 | canonical even
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| 09:53 | <ogra> i think disklessworkstations might give it ...
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| 09:53 | <nubae> ok, I'll look up the specific places that offer it
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| 09:53 | <ogra> and if enough users would bug redhat i bet they would get that they can make a lot of mone with it too
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| 09:53 | nah
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| 09:53 | just put in a general sentence ;)
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| 09:54 | <nubae> ok
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| 09:54 | <ogra> i.e. "even paid suport is available from various instances, if there is an offering of pais support for the distro you use, please contact your support facilities" .... something like that
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| 09:55 | there are some IT depts where you wont gain ground without having paid support offerings in your proposal
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| 09:55 | managers ask for it etc
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| 09:56 | so the handbook should mention it
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| 09:56 | <ogra> but indeed we dont want to do any direct andvertisements :)
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| 09:57 | * ogra wonders what the wireless clients section is about | |
| 09:58 | <nubae> wireless clients? where did I put that :-)
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| 09:58 | <ogra> there is no way to have wireless clients ... at least none that would be supported by us upstream
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| 09:58 | <para>There are two types of networking hardware: wired and wireless. </para>
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| 09:58 | 36
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| 09:58 | <para>An important fact to remember is that a network will be only as fast as the slowest part. So, if you have a faster wired network but a slower wireless network, the speed to the wireless clients will be restricted by the speed of the wireless network.
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| 09:59 | <nubae> ahh... yeah that was talking about networking in general, but I'll take wireless out, since its irrelevant
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| 09:59 | <ogra> abnd below you explicitly explain all possible wlan options
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| 10:00 | i'd drop all that
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| 10:00 | the proxy stuff isnt really correct
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| 10:01 | you say above that by default nothing runs on the client
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| 10:01 | so why would i need a proxy to proxy the client requests ?
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| 10:01 | "A firewall can be a service on the server or a separate piece of hardware that runs a similar service" ...
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| 10:01 | i wouldnt a) mention a firewall on the server and b) say it *has* to be a separate piece of HW
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| 10:02 | <nubae> all copied from the edubuntu handbook... I'll go over that again
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| 10:02 | <ogra> i.e. you dont distinguish between a portblocker (teh a case) and a firewall (teh b case)
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| 10:02 | and sicne you say that theer are no open ports by default, a portblocker is moot
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| 10:03 | "Linux filesystem image via TFTP3 into a RAM disk"
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| 10:03 | whats TFTP3 ? new protocol ? :)
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| 10:04 | * ogra guesses thats a typo | |
| 10:04 | <nubae> heh, yeah :-)
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| 10:04 | X4 too :-)
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| 10:04 | <ogra> same on the next sentences
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| 10:04 | yep
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| 10:04 | and LDM5
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| 10:04 | <nubae> heh
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| 10:05 | <ogra> phew, thats a lot to go through, i actually dont have much time anymore today
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| 10:05 | great work though :)
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| 10:05 | <nubae> well its a start... thanks
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| 10:35 | <highvoltage> howdy ogra
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| 10:36 | meant to ask you a question earlier. hope you're still around :)
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| 10:58 | <nubae> I need a working ip forwarding/masquerading explanation... I cannot seem to get it to work with a masquerade iptables rule and turning ipforwarding to 1
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| 11:06 | <ogra> nubae, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/firewall.html
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| 11:06 | highvoltage, only for a minute
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| 11:08 | <highvoltage> ogra: the lts.conf file that's in tftpboot/i386... can I add other files like that?
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| 11:08 | where can I specify where they must go?
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| 11:08 | (sorry for mangled question, but you only gave me a minute ;) )
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| 11:09 | <ogra> you need to hack up the initramfs script
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| 11:09 | ltsp_nbd has the code
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| 11:10 | <highvoltage> thanks ogra
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| 11:10 | I'll go check it out
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| 11:10 | it would be nicer if you could have a directory structer under i386 that would be overlayed, imho
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| 11:19 | <ogra> well, its pretty insecure to allow random files to be overwritten imho
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| 11:24 | <cyberorg> highvoltage, we do something like this for live CD clients http://pastebin.com/d4a91a34f
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| 11:59 | <highvoltage> cyberorg: thanks for that, I'll take a look at it tomorrow (just on my way out)
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| 14:03 | <harpoon1> i've installed LTSP on hardy ubuntu, and when i boot the client, I get a 'FATAL: kernel too old' error... any ideas?
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| 14:04 | <stgraber> did you install ubuntu 32 or 64bit on the server ?
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| 14:04 | <harpoon1> 32
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| 14:04 | <stgraber> ok, so that's not the issue. How old are you thin clients ?
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| 14:04 | *your
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| 14:05 | <harpoon1> toshiba laptop, statellite 2100CDT ( pretty old )
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| 14:06 | <stgraber> ok, that's amd-k6 according to toshiba
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| 14:07 | <harpoon1> should it work on amd-k6?
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| 14:07 | <stgraber> I'm not familiar with that CPU but maybe it doesn't have the 486 instruction set which you need for Ubuntu
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| 14:07 | so the question is: is it 386 or 486 ?
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| 14:07 | <harpoon1> i'll try booting from hardy live cd... if it boots from this live cd, should it work as a LTSP client?
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| 14:08 | <stgraber> yes
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| 14:08 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
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| 14:08 | look at the "absolute minimum" section of that page
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| 14:08 | <harpoon1> ok... attempting to boot hardy now...
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| 14:09 | but I thought ubuntu did not run on the client... I thought the client just acted as a thin X clent...
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| 14:10 | <stgraber> you have to boot a minimal system in order to spawn the X server
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| 14:10 | so it boots a minimal Ubuntu then connect to the server
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| 14:12 | <harpoon1> I just got this snippet from your link above: If you are intending to use a computer as a thin client (such as a client for an Edubuntu LTSP Terminal Server), only a low-specification computer capable of displaying graphics and connecting to a network is required.
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| 14:12 | my laptop can display graphics and connect to network, but I get this FATAL: kernal too old...
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| 14:13 | <stgraber> "displaying graphics" here means: starting a X server to display graphics
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| 14:14 | for that you need to boot the kernel first
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| 14:14 | <harpoon1> I had to mkdir /opt/ltsp/i386/oldroot ... this directory was not created during config... perhaps I should not have added this directory and it is causing the 'kernel too old' error? This error appears just after the root_pivot message
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| 14:14 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 14:14 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 14:15 | <ogra> harpoon1, did you follow the installation instructions (teh 2nd link)
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| 14:15 | <harpoon1> yes, I followed those instructions...
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| 14:16 | <ogra> and you didnt have the /opt/ltsp/i386/i386 dir after running ltsp-build-client ?
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| 14:16 | err
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| 14:16 | and you didnt have the /opt/ltsp/i386 dir after running ltsp-build-client ?
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| 14:17 | <harpoon1> yes, I had a /opt/ltsp/i386 dir after running ltsp-build-client
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| 14:17 | <ogra> and your laptop properly recieves the kernel through PXE/etherboot ?
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| 14:18 | (i.e. are you 100% sure its the kernel used in ltsp that it is trying to boot)
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| 14:18 | <harpoon1> I used the ltsp-wireless package/boot floppy... ( Pcmcia network card )
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| 14:18 | * ogra has no idea what package that might be | |
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| 14:18 | <ogra> sounds like something that was built for ltsp 4.x
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| 14:19 | we surely dont have *any* wireless support in recent ltsp
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| 14:19 | <harpoon1> any way to boot from a pcmcia card?
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| 14:19 | <ogra> no
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| 14:20 | <harpoon1> i'm using ltsp5... perhaps the boot floppy i've created is not compatible with 5?
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| 14:20 | <ogra> thats what i said above
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| 14:20 | there is no bootfloppy thats compatible with ltsp5
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| 14:21 | and apparently the floppy you use is not even compatible with your hardware
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| 14:21 | <harpoon1> seems to get a dhcp address though... ( and mounts the root nfs )
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| 14:21 | can I use a boot cd?
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| 14:22 | <ogra> the rom-o-matic etherboot floppies work with ltsp5 but there are no pcmcia cards that are supported to my knowledge
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| 14:22 | there is no nfs root in ltsp5 in ubuntu
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| 14:22 | it uses nbd images by default
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| 14:22 | so its unlikely that it mounts any nfs root unless you hacked it up
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| 14:22 | <harpoon1> I setup nfs with /etc/exports
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| 14:23 | If I want to use wireless laptops with ltsp5, is there some kind of boot image/CD/flash?
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| 14:23 | <ogra> no
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| 14:24 | neither for pcmcia nor for wlan
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| 14:24 | <harpoon1> ok
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| 14:24 | <ogra> get a PXE capable card or one thats supported by rom-o-matic through the etherboot disks
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| 14:25 | there are options for CDs on rom-o-matic though ... but i havent seen any pcmcia cards supported there ever
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| 14:25 | <harpoon1> i assume most newer laptops have PXE capable cards...
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| 14:25 | <ogra> right
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| 14:25 | wireless is another tricky thing, as you need the wireless stack installed locally, encryption being set up right etc
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| 14:26 | nobody implemented that ever in ltsp5 ... (though patches would be hapily accepted :) )
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| 14:26 | <harpoon1> roger
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| 14:26 | i'm setting up a classroom...
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| 14:27 | <toastydeath> has anyone installed ltsp over a single system image cluster
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| 14:27 | <ogra> for nfs you also need more changes then just setting up the server btw ...
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| 14:27 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 14:27 | ^^^ has the info
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> toastydeath: what do you mean?
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| 14:46 | toastydeath: i've used LTSP to install OSes before
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| 14:46 | <harpoon1> I was planning on using KDE4.1.1... does Gnome take up less resources on the server? Each client will be running Firefox and OpenOffice...
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> both firefox and openoffice take up a lot of resources ... KDE or GNOME will probably not make a huge difference.
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| 14:49 | <harpoon1> Got it. ( java )
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> xubuntu would make some difference
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| 14:49 | <harpoon1> thanks
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> (if you're using ubuntu)
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| 14:50 | <harpoon1> I need to lock down each client like a kiosk... is there an util to lock down Xubuntu or IceWM??
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> harpoon1: you want to restrict it to just openoffice and firefox?
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| 14:51 | <harpoon1> students will be using these clients... I want to prevent them from changing system settings, and hopfully just allow them to use Firefox and OpenOffice as usual...
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> i don't know of tools to lock them down ... i've used some hacks in the past to mostly lock down icewm
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| 14:52 | mainly, making the ~/.icewm* configuration files not writeable by the user
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| 14:52 | <harpoon1> ok
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> someone who knows what they're doing could easily delete the ~/.icewm* files, but it was pretty effective at preventing most configuration
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| 14:53 | or, preventing most users from messing with it
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| 14:54 | at freegeek, we have a script which daily resets the logins to a known state
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| 14:54 | <harpoon1> I hear KDE4 has a smaller footprint... and I can use the Kiosk tool to lock things down... pehaps I'll try this... Java will eat up much ram on the server, but I plan on having 150MB ram for each client...
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> 150MB on the server for each expected concurrent user?
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| 14:57 | <harpoon1> yes...
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| 14:57 | is that enought?
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| 15:01 | <toastydeath> vagrantc:
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| 15:02 | i meant installing ltsp over a single system image cluster, like openmosix or openSSI
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| 15:02 | n computers set up to behave as one, large multicore machine
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| 15:03 | like a rack of blades or a bunch of 1u servers
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> toastydeath: it's definitely been done
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| 15:03 | <toastydeath> does it behave well?
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> toastydeath: i don't know of folks using it in production
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| 15:03 | <toastydeath> oh
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> and i think less of a rack of servers and more of a bunch of thin-clients ...
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| 15:04 | might work better if it was really just a clever way to do large multi-core systems
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| 15:04 | <toastydeath> vagrantc: i think we are miscommunicating here
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> toastydeath: well, i know what openmosix is.
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| 15:05 | toastydeath: you're talking about doing clustering, no?
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| 15:05 | <toastydeath> i am
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| 15:05 | clustering such that the ltsp machine is scalable by adding more nodes to it
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> toastydeath: just the server-side LTSP, right?
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| 15:06 | <toastydeath> correct
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> i recall a presentation on using openSSI to do that, but i forget who
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| 15:07 | <harpoon1> i'm curious to find out why booting over wirless is not avaialble... could I not use any old live CD to boot and then perform the root_pivot and the rest of the script proceedures found in ltsp client?
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> harpoon1: go right ahead and try.
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| 15:07 | harpoon1: but it isn't supported out of the box.
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| 15:07 | <toastydeath> ty vagrantc
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| 15:07 | i will hunt around for that
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> toastydeath: possibly a post to the ltsp-developer list
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| 15:08 | <harpoon1> vagrantc: will I be surpirsed to find out it is not simple?? I''m no linux expert:(
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> harpoon1: it is harder than you would expect.
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| 15:09 | <harpoon1> ok.
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| 15:10 | which part is tricky?
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> ah, it was mille-xterm that was the clustered LTSP stuff http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9097
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| 15:10 | ah, toastydeath is gone
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| 15:11 | !wireless
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| 15:11 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> harpoon1: read up on that ^^
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| 15:11 | <harpoon1> ok
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> if it's an open wireless network, it'd probably be easier to set up a boot CD... but whenever you updated the kernel, you'd have to update the boot CD
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| 15:12 | and you'd have to tweak the initramfs hooks to include wireless tools and such
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| 15:14 | <harpoon1> thanks for the info... the issues seem to be related to getting the wireless connection established... if I use a modified version of liveCd which can connect to a wireless network, is the rest of the LTSP/scripts complex, or is it just a matter of running them to pivot_root
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> harpoon1: well, where exactly are you talking about doing pivot_root ?
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| 15:16 | the other way to do it, which wouldn't require updating the boot media as much, would be to use kexec ... so boot off the CD with a kernel and initramfs image, which then downloads the kernel and initramfs image off the network and executes that
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| 15:16 | <harpoon1> the ltsp actions which result in the client being mounted to the server... ( the scripts which are run on the client to switch root from ram to the root on the server )
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> harpoon1: "client being mounted to the server" ??
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| 15:17 | <harpoon1> the client root mounts to the server /opt/ltsp/i386 as root...
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| 23:49 | <nelf> anybody know what happened to the ltsp website?
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> that doesn't look so good
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| 23:51 | wiki's borked too
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| 23:54 | <nelf> yup.. and google doesn't have the wiki's cache.. hope they fix it soon
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