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| 19:05 | <Seba_> I got this message "this kernel requires an x86-64 cpu but only detected an i686 cpu" please what i've to fix? Is there any document that suggest me the way to resolve
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| 19:08 | <Hyperbyte> It means you're trying to run a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit CPU.
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| 19:09 | I assume you've installed Ubuntu Server edition and ran ltsp-build-client?
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| 19:11 | If so, then you've built a 64-bit version of the client. You could remove everything in /opt/ltsp/ and build a new 32-bit client, with ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: do you have time to be involved in the ltsp.org maintenance? If not, I'm thinking of closing down everything, the stories, the map, irclogs etc, and just maintaining a couple of wiki pages at github
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| 19:20 | Jim and Ron said ok about moving the site elsewhere
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| 19:21 | !install
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| 19:21 | <ltsp> install: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
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| 19:21 | <alkisg> Seba_: follow that ^ page to install ltsp, and use the 32bit mate cd that is linked there
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| 19:21 | For the server reinstallation
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| 19:30 | <uumas> alkisg: I'd suggest keeping a simple introduction, irc logs and links to wiki (whether github or mediawiki) at ltsp.org
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| 19:31 | That would require minimal maintenance
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| 19:36 | <quinox> no maintenance beats little maintenance :)
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| 19:37 | (I assume alkisg is talking about pointing ltsp.org at the github pages)
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| 19:38 | as in, "ltsp.org" simply points to Github
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| 19:38 | <uumas> Well, you could just make it so that the information never gets outdated and the github link is at the top
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| 19:38 | Would be zero maintenance
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| 19:38 | On the other hand, the benefit wouldn't be too big
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| 19:39 | <quinox> but that would still mean if the server goes down the page goes down
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| 19:41 | <uumas> Well, I could maintain a server for it myself if that's the problem
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> uumas: irclogs require a server with a bot and php
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| 19:54 | You could provide one now, but it's not certain if it'll be there next year or in 5 years
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| 19:54 | While github will supposedly be there somewhat longer
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| 19:55 | <vagrantc> well, wouldn't strictly require php ... could just have something log to text files and server over a web server
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| 19:55 | <Seba_> Hyperbyte_:I haven't enugh skill in linux. I'm approching just now. If you think that i can help in someway I'll be available.
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> About ltsp.org, I'm not sure if they'll want to hand it over, and who's going to be paying for it etc; for me, if there's no server, there's little point in keeping ltsp.org
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| 19:56 | vagrantc: "log" = bot = some sort of language, php or other
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| 19:56 | Even if someone programs a log that git pushes the logs, he still needs a server for the bot
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| 19:56 | *programs a bot
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| 19:57 | Also, I would prefer some sort of forum or askubuntu questions etc, instead of mailing lists that are non-linkable
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| 19:57 | So that would make most of the irclogs not very helpful
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| 19:58 | E.g. for supporting greek schools, I write the answers in the forum, and point them there from irc, so noone really needs irclogs from there; they're just "the answer is there" links
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: right
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| 20:12 | <quinox> I don't mind paying for the domain - I can put it on my company's account, will be automatically paid for indefinitely
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| 20:12 | it would be unfortunate to let it elapse, some scammer might pick it up
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| 20:15 | <quinox> I can make a plain-text dump of the current content + put a big header at the top saying "Please visit ltsp.github.com for the latest information" or something
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| 20:19 | put in 301 permanent redirects for specific pages that are convered on Github
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| 20:21 | (even with a name change, having scammers run away with ltsp.org would be detrimental; seeing how small LTSP is I don't expect this to happen, but you never know)
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> i think LTSP is probably bigger than it looks, but hard to know for sure, and yeah, preserving the domain for a while would be good
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| 20:25 | at least providing a redirect page
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| 20:31 | <uumas> quinox: If you can handle the domain registration, I could maintain and host the server
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| 20:32 | <alkisg> Has anyone visited systemd.org?
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| 20:32 | I usually just google "systemd" and go to the first site there
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> have now... heh
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| 20:33 | <quinox> I think alkisg's point is that we don't want any specific server; I've been involved with Open Source for many many years now, and while it's nobody's fault really you can't trust anybody to be around next year
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> So if ltsp.org pagerank gets transferred to e.g. ltsp.github.io, a couple of years later, noone would want ltsp.org
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| 20:33 | They could get ltsp.com too if they wanted; but I don't think they care enough if the pagerank isn't there
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| 20:35 | There are multiple parts there. One is the hosting; another is the sysadmin/programming for the server
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| 20:35 | E.g. the map for the stories doesn't work, since a couple of years now
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| 20:35 | <uumas> Let's say that next year I had disappeared somewhere and the server went down. Quinox would still have the domain.
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| 20:35 | I can do hosting and sysadmin
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| 20:35 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte did that; he probably doesn't have time to fix it currently,
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| 20:36 | so, to maintain it, I would need to read about google maps api, which I don't want to
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| 20:36 | so, keeping things simpler = easier maintenance when switching sysadmins etc
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| 20:36 | <uumas> Yeah, I agree with keeping it simple
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> (talking about http://www.ltsp.org/stories/widget-map/?location=Greece etc)
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| 20:37 | <quinox> ugh, don't talk to me about Google maps -_-
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> :D
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| 20:38 | Anyways, it's late here. Thank you all guys, good night
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| 20:38 | <quinox> even when customers pay me to fix it it's annoying
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| 20:39 | * quinox waves goodnight | |
| 20:39 | <uumas> I was thinking something like a simple worpress or drupal site
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| 20:39 | Yeah, same. Goodnight
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| 20:42 | <quinox> WP and Drupal are far from simple when you're getting hacked and/or need to upgrade them to new versions
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| 20:44 | The beauty of Github pages (or something similar) is that LTSP as a group only needs to concern themselves with the content
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| 20:44 | as long as Github keeps existing of course
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> github pages can be used without having to use a github.io domain, no?
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| 20:46 | <quinox> yes
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> the content maintained in git, relatively easy to move elsewhere if we really had to ... it seems like a good way forward at this stage of things, despite not being my usual inclination
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| 20:49 | <vagrantc> it'd be easy to mirror, could even have a server ready-to-go if github somehow goes badly.
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| 20:50 | don't think it's likely at this point, but we've seen hosting providers do a full 180 in short order in the past... i like that it wouldn't be too much vendor locking
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| 20:51 | <quinox> yeah, git+markdown is pretty awesome in that regard
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