IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 March 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:25 | <fuzzmew> i have a disibility so please forgive i dont get my point across or ask right questions. if i post in future. u might have to ask me a olot of questions too.
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| 07:33 | <gehidore> no worries...
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| 07:33 | at least from me
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| 07:41 | <fuzzmew> thank you
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| 07:43 | <gehidore> so in what way are you using ltsp?
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| 07:49 | <fuzzmew> i just want to make it so my brother and me can share the new 8 core amd machine with Mint on it 17.3
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| 07:50 | Using maybe intel atom board as thin client
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| 07:50 | 2 thin clients is all we need
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| 07:53 | <gehidore> very nice
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| 07:54 | I was just discussing with alkisg what affordable thin clients were out there and I just ordered this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157616
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| 07:58 | <fuzzmew> I wonder if an intel atom with 4Gb of ram would be powerful enough?
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| 07:59 | I thought of getting one, if I cood ever get it to bood that is
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| 07:59 | <gehidore> well if you're doing thin client nearly any machine would work
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| 08:00 | alkisg's suggestion is to run the cpu past cpubenchmark.net and compare the postmark value
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| 08:01 | which opened my eyes as I was looking at arm and atom soc's and found they weren't as quality as the one I linked to
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| 08:03 | <fuzzmew> how come nothing boots though? I typed in all the things the tutorials told me to, and never boots. I don't understand
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| 08:04 | for now I am just using an old laptop with pxe boot. its all I have for now
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| 08:04 | Not possible with mint eh?
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| 08:05 | <gehidore> I was making it work with archlinux so I would think mint would work
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| 08:06 | have you checked the pxe server with telnet?
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| 08:06 | or whatever the manual suggests for testing, it's been a while since I've actually diagnosed any issues
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| 08:07 | <fuzzmew> i dont know how to do that.
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| 08:07 | <gehidore> lemme see if I can find it
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| 08:07 | <fuzzmew> Ok
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| 08:07 | <fuzzmew> many thanks
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| 08:09 | <gehidore> are you sure the laptop supports pxe?
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| 08:11 | <fuzzmew> pretty sure, it says pxe boot when it comes up
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| 08:11 | so I asume it means that unless i miss something
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| 08:11 | <gehidore> excellent
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| 08:11 | does it do anything at that point or just fail to find a pxe server to hook into?
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| 08:12 | <fuzzmew> pxe 2.0 (build 082) or something like that
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| 08:12 | it says soemething like tftp..... then it poops
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| 08:13 | <gehidore> ok I recal having a similar issue lemme look up the logs
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| 08:13 | <fuzzmew> many thanks
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| 08:14 | <gehidore> http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2015-07-02
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| 08:14 | scroll down to 19:40
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| 08:18 | now I want that SOC machine here yesterday so I can be playing with LTSP in person again
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| 08:18 | so many projects... so little time
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| 08:24 | <fuzzmew> oh so dhcp is broken.
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| 08:25 | <gehidore> that could be the case
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| 08:25 | worth investigating the same way that alkisg had me do back then
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| 08:33 | <fuzzmew> If i cood write programmes I would make an automatic config one to set it all up
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| 08:41 | <gehidore> that would be nice wouldn't it?
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| 08:41 | and not a bad idea for future reference... /me adds this to his notes
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| 08:41 | <fuzzmew> yes. i wish i cood do it.
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| 08:42 | <gehidore> with a little practice I'm sure you could
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| 08:42 | <fuzzmew> i think in my case it would be alot, i need help with those things, can't do it myself.
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| 08:43 | <gehidore> perhaps... only you can say for sure
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| 08:43 | <fuzzmew> yes it wood take someone to train me to programme.
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| 08:45 | i can crash test though hehe
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| 08:45 | i used to send coredumps and backtrace stuff to the develepers of "gaim" an aol instant messenger closne
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| 08:46 | to help the guys out when i cood
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| 08:46 | <gehidore> I remember gaim
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| 08:46 | before I gave up on anything that wasn't skype or hangouts... now I don't even use skype
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| 08:46 | <fuzzmew> i would do all kinds of crasy stuff to it to make it crash then send them the results. they appreciated it.
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| 08:47 | i still use skype sometimes. i cant type for crap. heh
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| 08:47 | i do better with phone. or I just copy and paste. maybe change an IP in the configs
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| 08:48 | <gehidore> quality developers appreciate patient alpha / beta testers who can back their findings with trace and dumps
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| 08:50 | <fuzzmew> if i know i can help with something , a programme i'd like to see bettered, I sure will. I just sent them the coredump or back trace and said "umm, what does this mean"? and they'd say "oh crap! I totally missed that thanks!" and theyd give me a little rundown on what happend. then theyd ask me to test the new re-compile
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| 08:53 | or I'd run across a web page that had a little software experiment "my crappy experiment" or something and test it , not even knowing what it supposed to do ack! :) just curious about some programmes. make it crash and ask them what it means.
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| 08:54 | I love how Linux has come as far as it has, used to be I had to have someone show me what to type in to make the sound even work back in the late 1990s
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| 08:55 | I tried to make windows work for me and I just cannot use it, I think it is more for gaming and maybe office work, but it does not do what I need it to do, so I went with linux and mac OS. Mostly linux now.
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| 08:56 | <gehidore> cheers fuzzmew it's 0200 I should sleep
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| 08:57 | <fuzzmew> oh ok, yes, i probably should as well. goodnight and good luck with things
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| 09:35 | <krimtsev> hallo
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| 09:36 | guys, what hardware is necessary for the ltsp clients?
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| 09:42 | <quinox> something with a network port
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| 09:44 | <krimtsev> :D
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| 09:45 | <quinox> if your clients aren't "beefy" hardware wise you can run them as thin clients, meaning the server does most of the work
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| 09:45 | if your clients are "beefy" you could run them as fat clients, meaning they do most of the work themselves
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| 09:46 | we buy the cheapest parts for clients which are still more than enough to run them in fat client mode
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| 09:48 | <krimtsev> intel 420 + 2GB RAM normal?
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| 09:49 | now we have windows server 2008 r2 on this hardware
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| 09:49 | thinkstation
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| 09:50 | <quinox> 'work_alkisg: lauri, if your client specs are good enough (e.g. 1000+ cpubenchmark, 1000+ MB RAM) you could use them as ltsp fat clients instead'
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| 09:51 | http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+420+%40+1.60GHz says it gets a cpubenchmark of 450
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| 09:51 | so fat clients might not be the best, but thin clients should be no problem unless you have a slow LAN
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| 09:52 | <krimtsev> i found on ltsp wiki
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| 09:52 | If you have slower clients, in the range of 233 MHz to 533 MHz, you may be able to use them, if you're willing to reduce the security of your thin client network
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| 09:52 | @quinox ty :D
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so, regarding lightdm-webkit*-greeter ... would you like to be the primary maintainer, and me just be a sponsor?
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Say the antergos developers
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 16:30 | sbalneav: or rather, i mean in debian
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> Oh, ok, sure.
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| 16:33 | vagrantc: You are awesome, as per usual
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i've just build-tested them ... haven't actually tried them yet
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| 16:44 | <sbalneav> Simple theme should work.
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| 17:40 | <danny_> hello
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok, so now i've gone as far as to install lightdm-webkit-greeter ... how do i enable it?
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| 18:10 | sbalneav: looks like lightdm-webkit-greeter and lightdm-webkit2-greeter have some file conflicts...
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| 18:12 | sbalneav: they both ship files in /usr/share/lightdm-webkit/
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| 18:13 | probably trivially patchable to install in /usr/share/lightdm-webkit2/
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| 18:13 | it's just the theme files ...
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| 18:15 | i guess, this gets back to the question of weather it's worth shipping both or not
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| 18:33 | sbalneav: i tried configuring greeter-session=lightdm-webkit-greeter and greeter-session=lightdm-wekbit2-greeter ... but lgithdm fails to start
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| 18:48 | <sbalneav> Hm
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| 18:49 | ok lets check this
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| 18:50 | have you got a /usr/share/xgreeters/lightdm-webkit2-greeter.desktop?
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> believe so
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| 18:51 | * vagrantc boots the machine and checks | |
| 18:53 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hah! wekbit != webkit
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| 18:54 | <sbalneav> hahaha
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| 18:55 | I can be the maintainer for lightdm-wekbit2-greeter too, if that helps ;)
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> even spelling it right still fails
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| 18:56 | [+0.01s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Failed to find session configuration lightdm-webkit2-greeter
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| 18:57 | <sbalneav> one sec...
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> ok, i had webkit-2greeter installed ... now putting in the actually installed greeter seems to work.
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| 18:59 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 18:59 | So it's popping up?
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 18:59 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> and restarting lightdm when webkit2-greeter is only partially installed also results in problems for some reason... :)
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| 19:00 | that could just be my packaging mistake ... i excluded the .la file in the hopes that it would work without it
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| 19:06 | nope, those are in both packages.
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| 19:09 | <sbalneav> Are you seeing the theme come up?
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| 19:09 | * vagrantc wonders if it's defaulting to the theme that i patched out | |
| 19:09 | <sbalneav> Check what the config file says
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| 19:09 | /etc/lightdm/lightdm-webkit2-greeter.conf
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> ding ding ding
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| 19:10 | <sbalneav> Of course, for debian, you want to get it tied into the /etc/alternatives system
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| 19:10 | lightdm-greeter
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| 19:10 | /etc/alternatives/lightdm-greeter
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> ok, now it displays
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| 19:11 | ah, ok, there's already an alternative ... cool.
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| 19:12 | and i can even log in!
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| 19:13 | those simple themes sure are simple!
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| 19:16 | <sbalneav> That was the plan. "The simplest theme that a) shows off the capability of webkit2-greeter and b) properly implements a login with all messages"
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| 19:17 | <vagrantc> hrm. so now i guess i should try with libpam-sshauth?
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| 19:17 | <sbalneav> sure. should work
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| 19:22 | * vagrantc digs memory of how to configure that out | |
| 19:24 | <vagrantc> simple greeter pulls no punches when you hit the shutdown button
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| 19:24 | <gehidore> very true
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| 19:24 | shut down my server the other day by mistake :P
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> none of this "are you sure?" "other peopel are logged in, please proove you're an authority and more important"
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| 19:27 | <gehidore> hal9000 at its finest
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> whoah... "ltsp-update-image /" without --cleanup sure spits out lots of complaints
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| 19:34 | <gehidore> :|
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> wow. isc-dhcp-server in debian stretch is broken in so many ways.
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| 20:01 | it really is time to default to dnsmasq.
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| 20:05 | sbalneav: well, it seems lightdm with libpam-sshauth is working ... still need to update the ltsp-pam hooks to work with stretch.
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| 20:07 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> well, "working" in that it authenticates ... but lightdm fails to log in.
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| 20:08 | * vagrantc should try without all the extra hooks. | |
| 20:13 | <vagrantc> yup, works as a kiosk with a local homedir
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| 20:14 | oh wow...
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| 20:14 | sbalneav: so, if i type in "root", it logs in as root without asking for a password
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| 20:14 | * vagrantc suspects pam_permit is a bit too permissive | |
| 20:15 | <sbalneav> yeah, that's a problem with your pam config :D
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 20:16 | sbalneav: my config is based on your examples :P
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| 20:17 | sbalneav: if i take out pam_permit, it fails to log in at all.
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| 20:17 | <sbalneav> OK, there's a problem with my pam config :D
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| 20:18 | hahaha
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so ... how to configure pam_sshauth ?
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| 20:19 | this basically works quite well for a kiosk session
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| 20:20 | <sbalneav> I'd have to look... I'll take a look tonight... I'm dealing with another problem at the moment... hell, for all I know, it's a bug in libpam_sshauth
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| 20:24 | <frederickjh> Hi! Its been awhile since I setup a LTSP server. I just set one up using ltsp-pnp My clients make it to the login but the desktop never loads. I can switch to a terminal and ssh in fine. syslog is showing the message "nbd_server: Disconnect request received." Anyone have any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> frederickjh: the nbd message is just ldm checking for an updated inmage
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| 20:25 | frederickjh: most likely
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| 20:25 | frederickjh: look at the user's ~/.xsession-errors file
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| 20:25 | <frederickjh> On the server or client?
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> frederickjh: what's the default desktop? might try using an alterate desktop
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| 20:25 | frederickjh: should be the same, unless something's broken.
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| 20:26 | <frederickjh> Unity
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> not sure if unity works with LTSP...
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| 20:27 | <frederickjh> Last line of ~/.xsession-errors reads: "open: Permission denied"
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok, thanks so far, lightdm-webkit*-greeter looks pretty cool.
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| 20:28 | <frederickjh> line before that says: init: update-notifier-crash (/var/crash/_usr_lib_virtualbox_VirtualBox.0.crash) main process (1990) terminated with status 127"
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| 20:28 | <vagrantc> frederickjh: ~/.xsession-errors is pretty verbose ... but it might reveal something
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| 20:28 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Good! Glad you like it!
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| 20:28 | <frederickjh> I am running the client in Virtualbox but a real client does the same thing.
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| 20:28 | * vagrantc is really itching to make some progress towards LTSP6 | |
| 20:29 | <vagrantc> frederickjh: try a different desktop environment
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| 21:29 | <frederickjh> Ok, I managed to track down the problem. I it is related to the permissions on /tmp on the client. They were 755 but needed to be 777. I found this in an IRC log from this channel. The permissions in the build directory /opt/ltsp/build-i386 for /tmp are correct. Any ideas on how to fix this in the image?
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| 21:30 | http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2012-05-12 is the link to the irc log I mentioned.
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> what version of ubuntu?
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| 21:30 | <frederickjh> 14.04.4
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> !ppa
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| 21:31 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'ppa', but I do know about these similar topics: 'sbalneav-ppa', 'greek-schools-ppa'
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> !greek-schools-ppa
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| 21:32 | <ltsp> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> i'm not sure if that's an LTSP problem, or an ubuntu problem ... but the greek-schools-ppa miight fix it if it was in LTSP
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| 21:32 | LTSP maintenance in ubuntu suffered a bit the last year or so
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| 21:32 | <frederickjh> I have the greek school ppa install.
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| 21:33 | <vagrantc> ltsp-info
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| 21:33 | !paste | echo frederickjh
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| 21:33 | <ltsp> frederickjh paste: try !pastebot
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| 21:33 | <vagrantc> !pastebin | echo frederickjh
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| 21:33 | <ltsp> frederickjh pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 21:34 | <frederickjh> I did the ltsp-pnp using the package from: deb http://archive.amxa.ch/ubuntu trusty main
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| 21:34 | That installs the greek schools ppa
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> wait, build directory?
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| 21:36 | that doesn't sound like ltsp-pnp at all.
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| 21:36 | frederickjh: how do you build the client image?
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| 21:37 | frederickjh: please paste the output from ltsp-info to a pastebin
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| 21:40 | <frederickjh> http://pastebin.com/x8EFZ5iX ltps-info output
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| 21:40 | Maybe I am using the wrong name.
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| 21:40 | I am new to ltsp-pnp
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| 21:41 | My last build of a ltsp server was on 10.04. Than is what I am trying to replace now with a new server.
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| 21:43 | The directory that I was referring to is /opt/ltsp/build-i386/tmp/ It has 777 permissions.
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> ltsp-pnp is a simpler way to manage LTSP
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| 21:43 | !ltsp-pnp | echo frederickjh
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| 21:43 | <ltsp> frederickjh ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 21:44 | <vagrantc> frederickjh: looks like you have the ppa installed only on the server
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| 21:44 | frederickjh: you also need to install it in the chroot
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| 21:44 | <frederickjh> However doing Ctrl-Alt-F2 where I have a root shell setup and checking the permissions of /tmp shows they are 755
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| 21:45 | <vagrantc> although it would probably be easier to do it using ltsp-pnp
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| 21:45 | <frederickjh> Now you have me confused. My understanding is there is no chroot in ltsp-pnp
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| 21:45 | <vagrantc> frederickjh: yes, because you're running the old version of ltsp on the clients.
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| 21:45 | frederickjh: yes, but i think you're running the chroot's version, not the ltsp-pnp bui.d.
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| 21:45 | <frederickjh> Old version where did you see that?
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| 21:46 | <vagrantc> frederickjh: the output of ltsp-info
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| 21:46 | on a terminal on tty2(ctrl-alt-f2), what version does "dpkg -l ltsp-client-core" ?
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| 21:46 | <frederickjh> Why would I have an old version? This is a fresh install. I followed the instructions found here: https://github.com/basilstotz/ltsp-pnp
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| 21:49 | <vagrantc> frederickjh: i have no idea what basilstotz does, you should report bugs to that. it's not part of LTSP.
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| 21:49 | <frederickjh> 5.5.5~r2703+p1238+2015
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| 21:49 | <vagrantc> frederickjh: from a booted client?
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| 21:49 | <frederickjh> Yes
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| 21:49 | from the root shell
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| 21:50 | <vagrantc> ok, so you've got /opt/ltsp/build-i386 for no useful reason.
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| 21:50 | <frederickjh> I maybe made it by mistake
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| 21:50 | <vagrantc> a red herring... was hoping it was as simple as that
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| 21:50 | <frederickjh> The ltsp-pnp pagkage has a build option. It maybe something that was left over.
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| 21:50 | from old development.
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| 21:51 | I was not sure when I got set back to the login each time after login in if the problem was with the image or ssh keys or what.
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| 21:53 | <vagrantc> that looks like the project you used to install it, which is notably not "LTSP-PNP" as it is used by the LTSP project, might have some sort of network authentication or soemthing?
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| 21:53 | frederickjh: it seems to be a part of a larger project
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| 21:58 | frederickjh: or if you want to try to keep using that, file bugs in the issue tracker https://github.com/basilstotz/ltsp-pnp for that project.
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| 21:59 | <frederickjh> So where is the "other" ltsp-pnp install located at?
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| 21:59 | Or how do you set it up? Are there instructions some where online?
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> !ltsp-pnp | echo frederickjh
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| 22:00 | <ltsp> frederickjh ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 22:02 | <frederickjh> Ok, I was to that page and then a page in German here: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LTSP/LTSP-PNP_mit_Fat_Clients/
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| 22:03 | There are bash scripts at the bottom of that page to setup ltsp-pnp and to update the ltsp system images
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| 22:04 | <vagrantc> all you need to update the images is a single command.
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| 22:06 | frederickjh: no clue what LTSP-install.sh actually does.
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| 22:07 | <frederickjh> One other question, the files in /opt/ltsp/build-i386, there not needed, are they with ltsp-pnp?
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| 22:07 | <vagrantc> it just seems like an additional part that can go wrong
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| 22:07 | frederickjh: not needed at all for ltsp-pnp, not.
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| 22:07 | frederickjh: maybe they were added to support i386 clients on an amd64 server?
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| 22:08 | frederickjh: but the recommended way to do that is to run the i386 OS on the amd64 server.
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| 22:08 | don't loose too much with a PAE kernel installed.
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| 22:09 | <frederickjh> No, I don't think so. I think I created them trying to fix this problem. Server is a 64 bit machine but I have 32 bit clients so I installed 32bit OS so I could use ltsp-pnp
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| 22:13 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> hello guys my settings appear ok i am trying debian ltsp, anya can help me? the client box no mount root fs
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| 22:13 | ?
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| 22:15 | i have tryed nfs mount from other boxes and it's ok
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| 22:16 | the message on client is no init found
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| 22:16 | any tip for me?
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| 22:17 | <frederickjh> vagrantc I just checked the update launcher and it is running the clone process in the /etc/init.d/ltsp-pnp that was installed. It is not calling the build function. I will file a issue on github and see what happens. Thanks again for your time and help!
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| 22:33 | Sorry SOUL_OF_r00T, I don't think I can help you there.
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| 22:35 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> here is the irc channel over ltsp is it?
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| 22:35 | why not help me?
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| 22:36 | <frederickjh> vagrantc, I just checked the /etc/init.d/ltsp-pnp script when it is run with the launcher which runs it with the clone option it also first goes through an init function that sets it up the first time then does not run. So it looks like the build option is never run by the launcher.
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| 22:37 | SOUL I would help you if I could. I am not really sure what exactly you are talking about. with root fs
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| 22:37 | Do you mean the host file system?
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| 22:37 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> my root / partition is not mounted on ltsp clients
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| 22:37 | <frederickjh> Can the clients not not access their /home/user directory?
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| 22:38 | Do you have anything useful in the log?
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| 22:38 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> only one screen with boot: and no default ui configuration directive found
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| 22:38 | <frederickjh> /var/log/syslog
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| 22:42 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> http://pastebin.com/52SrMh05
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| 22:42 | the system not found some files
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| 22:43 | i follow the official how to
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| 22:43 | i have a litle knownledge but is confused
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| 22:44 | <frederickjh> let me have a look at the pastebin
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| 22:45 | Ok what you pasted is from the bootup when it is trying to find an image to boot from.
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| 22:46 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> yeap
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| 22:46 | <frederickjh> It tries the most specific and then tries less specific names for the images to boot.
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| 22:46 | Does it stop there and go no further?
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| 22:47 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> i have corrected
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| 22:47 | i try again
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| 22:47 | very thanks
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| 22:47 | <frederickjh> OK, I look
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| 22:47 | <gehidore> moin
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| 22:48 | <frederickjh> Do you have a new pastebin url? The old one is the same here.
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| 22:49 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> the error now is can't execute test no such file or directory on client box
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| 22:51 | <frederickjh> I do not understand.
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| 22:51 | Does it boot to the login screen?
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| 22:52 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> no
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| 22:52 | <frederickjh> Maybe a photo of the screen then post it on a photo sharing site like photobucket so I can see what you are looking at.
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| 22:57 | Does your client machine have a 64 bit CPU?
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| 22:58 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> yeh all boxes amd64
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| 23:06 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> work
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| 23:07 | very thanks
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| 23:07 | <frederickjh> what?
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| 23:07 | Did you get it to work?
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| 23:07 | Did it boot?
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| 23:08 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> yeap
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| 23:08 | boot
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| 23:08 | logon screen
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| 23:08 | xfree
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| 23:08 | all work
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| 23:09 | <frederickjh> Good! Not sure what I did to help, but I am glad you got it up and running.
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| 23:09 | <SOUL_OF_r00T> my dhcp runs o n freebsd box i have made some experiences in settings on it and now all works fine
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| 23:09 | <frederickjh> OK, I am working on a problem of my own.
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| 23:10 | For some reason the permissions on the /tmp folder on the client have the wrong permissions.
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| 23:10 | This cause the xsession to be denied starting.
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| 23:11 | I can change the permissions but after a reboot the permissions are wrong again.
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| 23:11 | <gehidore> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157595 wonder if one could use those puny mini-pci ssd in that...
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