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Channel log from 3 August 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> !flash | echo Hyperbyte:
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| 09:10 | <ltsp`> Hyperbyte: flash: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: this does the same without an external application
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| 09:11 | So CPU usage drops from 100% to e.g. 10%
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| 09:11 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, but getting Firefox plugins for all users is a bit of a problem isn't it?
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> True, but I thought you only had a few users
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| 09:12 | <Hyperbyte> I would like some solution that doesn't require me to change user profiles
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| 09:12 | I have about ~80
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> Ah, ok then. Well, better clients is the best solution :D
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| 09:12 | <Hyperbyte> Lots of different volunteers at the radio station. :)
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| 09:12 | Heheh
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| 09:12 | Right
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> Or packaging the addon to a real ubuntu package
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| 09:12 | <Hyperbyte> I'll keep that in mind. :)
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| 09:12 | Well this "Minitube" thing looks very promising, but I don't see why it won't work with Pulseaudio
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> Totem also has a "youtube search/playback" mode
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| 09:13 | <Hyperbyte> Try it, it's in the repositories
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| 09:13 | Oh?
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> Yeah, since 9.10 or so
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| 09:13 | Also consider switching to html5 playback + google chrome
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| 09:14 | <Hyperbyte> Chrome defaults to html5?
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> That's still per user, but you might be able to automate it
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| 09:14 | <Hyperbyte> Meh...
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> I don't think it does
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| 09:14 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 09:14 | I'll see about Totem.
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> I don't know if youtube supports defaulting to html5 for e.g. a range of IPs
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| 09:15 | <Hyperbyte> Since we sometimes use YouTube to play music on-air, I'd prefer doing it via a real media player than via web browser anyways.
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> Any other issues?
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| 09:15 | <Hyperbyte> One last question
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| 09:15 | I have a few Windows applications which I run via RDP
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| 09:16 | Works great and all - but thereś an annoying border (from Windows) around the application, which allows me to close the application and/or move it outside of the desktop
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| 09:16 | You don't know of any hack that will let me disable the window border I assume?
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> Do you mean that you launch them in "seamless rdp" mode?
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| 09:16 | <Hyperbyte> I know there's SeamlessRDP, but last time I tried it, it wasn't very stable.
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| 09:17 | No, at the moment I'm just launching the whole desktop, with the application maximized
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| 09:17 | See VNC
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> So you want to remove the PC2 - magic etc toolbar?
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| 09:18 | <Hyperbyte> Yep.
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> Is it only for this app, or you mean in general?
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| 09:19 | <Hyperbyte> (this is our telephone hybrid control software... if you click "ON AIR" here, and enter your telephone number, you'll be live on the air. :P)
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| 09:19 | I'm only running one app per RDP desktop (one virtual machine per application)
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| 09:19 | So only for this app or in general, either way is fine
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> Well, one way would be to patch this app to be a real fullscreen app
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| 09:20 | Or even to use it instead of the windows login manager
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> Another method would be to use a seamless rdp solution, I think even xfreevnc supports that now
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| 09:20 | Finally, are you sure that this app doesn't run via wine?
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| 09:21 | *xfreerdp
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| 09:21 | <Hyperbyte> I don't really wanna go that route... licensing for these things is quite strict... the telephone hybrid mainframe detects how many client connections there are, and where from, etc...
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| 09:22 | If there would be one app still running somewhere, it could cause entire programs to derail, and I'd need to do a lot of per-user configuration again
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> Whatever suits you best, but imho it's easier to restrict things on linux than on windows
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| 09:22 | <Hyperbyte> I was actually hoping there was some Windows application that would enable me to launch any application in full screen
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| 09:23 | <alkisg> Sure, there might be
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| 09:23 | <Hyperbyte> Right.
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| 09:23 | :)
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| 09:23 | Okay, thanks
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| 09:23 | Oh maybe one more thing
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| 09:23 | Could you run a ps aux on the fat client?
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| 09:23 | See if there's something I maybe could get rid of?
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| 09:23 | <alkisg> I haven't really used windows since 2008 though, so...
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| 09:23 | OK
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: for 512 mb ram, i'd use localapps or lubuntu
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| 09:28 | You can disable network manager, inetd and some other services
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| 09:28 | <Hyperbyte> It's running okay though
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| 09:28 | But, I have more powerful clients
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| 09:28 | <Hyperbyte> These are computers for our editors... they do web surfing and openoffice
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| 09:29 | <alkisg> start with those
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| 09:29 | (RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES=...)
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| 09:30 | <Hyperbyte> NetworkManager too?
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:30 | <Hyperbyte> <3
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> Unless you're using a VPN from the clients
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| 09:30 | <Hyperbyte> atd can also go right?
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| 09:31 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:31 | Hyperbyte: cron, not crond
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| 09:31 | ls /etc/init*/name* gets you the service name
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| 09:33 | <Hyperbyte> Looks like that's it. :) Useful, saves me some resources.
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| 09:33 | Oh, you said acpid as well - doesn't that mess up dpms?
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> Try it, too many things try to handle dpms to be sure...
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| 09:34 | <Hyperbyte> :-)
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| 09:34 | Okay
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| 09:34 | Well thank you very much. :)
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> np :)
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| 09:34 | <Hyperbyte> I'll give this client a reboot to see the damage. :-D
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> bb!
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| 09:39 | <Hyperbyte> No more audio! :)
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| 09:39 | Isn't dbus required for pulseaudio? ;-)
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> Ah wait it's a fat not a thin... yeah put dbus back :D
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| 09:40 | Thins do get audio without dbus :)
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| 09:41 | <Hyperbyte> That could also be why it takes very long to log in? :P
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> No, that's still the humble client :D
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| 09:41 | <Hyperbyte> Nononono! It takes longer than before. :P
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| 09:41 | And I can't shut down without DBUS. :-D
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> Logout first..
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| 09:42 | <Hyperbyte> Hehe
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| 09:42 | I did ctrl+alt+f1 ctrl+alt+del :-D
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> dbus is needed for quite a few things on fat clients, for a moment I thought it was thin
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| 09:42 | <Hyperbyte> Is there yet a solution to automatically shut down idle clients?
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| 09:42 | Like, say, I haven't touched it for two hours, it shuts down?
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> Define idle...
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| 09:43 | And what happens if I have an open unsaved document
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| 09:43 | ?
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| 09:43 | <Hyperbyte> Delete!
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| 09:43 | Your own fault. :P
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> Well you can easily write a cron job that runs xprintidle and calls epoptes' endsession script
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| 09:43 | That even prompts to save the unsaved files on gnome
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| 09:44 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, so xprintidle can tell me how long a machine has been idle?
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:45 | <Hyperbyte> Useful!
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| 09:45 | Yeah, then I can figure out the rest myself. :)
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| 09:47 | Thanks again
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| 12:02 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, does ltsp-pnp or ltsp do anything special with Cups' printers.conf?
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| 12:02 | Because I configured my printer in my LTSP server cups, but on the fat client it isn't there.
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: how do you share your printer? With cups or with lts.conf?
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| 12:05 | <Hyperbyte> It's a network printer. I just need to configure it in cups.
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| 12:09 | Basically if LTSP would leave my /etc/cups/ folder alone it'd all be fine
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: yeah that ltsp cups meddling got on my nerves too until I discovered the logic behind it
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| 12:14 | Anyway, putting CUPS_SERVER=localhost in lts.conf should give you what you need...
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| 12:21 | <Hyperbyte> It's still screwing up my printers.conf
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| 12:21 | What if I put CUPS_SERVER=server ?
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| 12:21 | Will that make all fat clients use the CUPSD running on the terminal server?
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: cat /usr/share/ltsp/cleanup.d/50-printers-conf
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| 12:23 | That erases your printers.conf, which is a sane thing to do when someone has e.g. usb printers
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| 12:23 | For network printers, ltsp-pnp could keep them, if it was sophisticated enough (patches welcome :))
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| 12:26 | Hyperbyte: CUPS_SERVER=server is the default for LTSP
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| 12:27 | <Hyperbyte> Well, with CUPS_SERVER=localhost or CUPS_SERVER=server LTSP still doesn't show the printer that works fine on the server
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: do you publish the printer from the server?
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| 12:28 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm, maybe not.
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> If not, then you need to comment out that 50-printers-conf so that your printers.conf is kept in the chroot
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| 12:28 | Or, just share it and use CUPS
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| 12:36 | <Hyperbyte> Even when sharing is enabled it still doesn't show.
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| 12:36 | I'll figure it out though...
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> And is "view published printers" checked on the client?
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Meh... this channel is missing some high voltage... :-/
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| 13:12 | <ogra_> alkisg, he used a transformer and is now jocarter
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> Got it, was just kidding... I got used to his old nickname... I hope we won't lose Hyperbyte in the future too! :D
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| 13:13 | <ogra_> heh
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| 13:14 | <jocarter> hi alkisg :)
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| 17:02 | <roasted_> hello!
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| 17:03 | question for the incredibly intelligent users of LTSP...
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| 17:03 | Each time the clients boot, they hang at tftp..., and eventually time out. If I reboot tftp right then, they get to the ltsp login screen fine. eh?
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| 17:12 | <||cw> "reboot tftp"?
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| 17:12 | <muppis> I think meant reastart.
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| 17:14 | <||cw> restart tftpd?
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| 17:23 | <dead_inside> is this a stand alone ltsp server? and what distro/version
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| 17:50 | <roasted_> ||cw, yes
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| 17:50 | restart the tftphpa service
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| 17:50 | or whatever it is
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| 17:50 | tftp-hpa?
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| 17:57 | yeah it's still happening
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| 17:58 | it's insanely frustrating. once I reboot tftp-hpa, things work great
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> Is it running before you restart it?
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| 17:58 | <roasted_> yes
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| 17:58 | if I do "start" it says already running
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| 17:58 | so I do restart, and we have a winner
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> Just try downloading something from some client before you restart it, and if it fails, file a bug request about it - maybe one already exists
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| 17:59 | !tftp
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| 17:59 | <ltsp`> alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> See the section about using an external tftp client there
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| 18:01 | <roasted_> this is the 2nd server this has happenedt o me to. I'm wondering if configs somewhere are borked.
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| 18:03 | I wonder if option-routers has anything to do with it?
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| 18:03 | mine was set to 10.52.0.1 when I'm on a 10.52.20.x network....
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> Well if you follow my advice above you'll be absolute sure if it's a dhcp problem or not
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| 18:05 | If the tftp server doesn't work on boot, and it works on restart, it's a tftp bug
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| 18:06 | <roasted_> if it's a bug, I wonder how I can best work around this then.
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| 18:10 | <roasted__> sweet. power loss.
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| 18:13 | <roasted__> yep. reboot tftpd-hpa, and suddenly the client boots
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| 18:13 | I wonder if I should create an upstart job to work around this
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| 18:17 | <roasted__> I wonder if I could just set a script to sleep for 30 seconds after boot, restart the tftpd-hpa service, and cron it for startup?
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| 22:32 | <damormino_> Is there a Mode called "Install and LTSP server" on Ubuntu 12.04? It seems the installer changed from 10.04, and I cannot find where to press F4 on the Alternate CD. I want to install an LTSP server on 12.04.
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| 22:43 | Disregard above. I believe I just found it on the 12.04 Alternate CD.
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