IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:17 | <jgbillings> anyone have experience getting old 2mb s3virge cards working?
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| 00:21 | <muh2000_> my login problem: "kdm: pc5:0[4692]: pam_unix(kdm:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=pc5:0 ruser= rhost=pc5 user=user" <-- auth.log :(
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| 00:21 | i have this problem for a few weeks now, and i would like to use my terminal again... :/
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| 00:21 | it is not kdm, gdm will produce the same error
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> login from the console?
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| 00:26 | does that produce the error?
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| 00:27 | <muh2000_> vagrantc: everything works, shell, locally at the server, ftp, egroupware, jabber, etc, only LTSP does not work. i dont know why, i havent changend anything related to the auth system... :(
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| 00:28 | <vagrantc> any software upgrades?
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| 00:30 | <muh2000_> vagrantc: upgrade routinely every once in a while. me wonders why login at the server works, but not at the termina
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| 00:33 | ltsp 4.1 or 2
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| 00:34 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 00:38 | <muh2000_> i am using ldap for auth, but i think that is not rly important since the other stuff works :/
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| 00:39 | (and it worked before with ldap...)
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| 00:45 | <vagrantc> haven't used xdmcp for so long, no idea what it could be
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| 00:46 | <jgbillings> hmm vesa driver sorta works on these old cards
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| 00:46 | hi vagrant, it's john from chicago
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| 00:47 | <vagrantc> jgbillings: 2mb ought to be enough for 1024x768@16
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| 00:47 | jgbillings: but i used to have very mixed luck with s3virge cards
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| 00:47 | usually used the s3virge driver
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| 00:47 | <jgbillings> yeah, i've got 8 depth now, the s3virge xorg driver is all distorted
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| 00:49 | do you usually use the xf86_s3v driver?
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| 00:55 | <vagrantc> no, the "s3virge" driver
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| 00:55 | XFree86 4.x or X.org
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| 00:56 | <jgbillings> hmm had problems with that in both edubuntu and using k12 now
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| 00:57 | even knoppix
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| 00:57 | <vagrantc> well, good luck.
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| 04:36 | <yanu> Jan 5 11:36:08 192.168.88.5 ypbind[958]: broadcast: RPC: Timed out.
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| 04:37 | anyone an id what this means?
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| 04:37 | 192.168.88.5 is the client, kdm connecting to server ltsp-4.2
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| 04:39 | ach, i did an update yesterday, this must be causing my problem: /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp-ypbind-1.14-0-i386.tgz
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| 04:43 | hmm
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| 04:44 | i think this is the problem:
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| 04:44 | Jan 5 11:33:50 kloon kdm[7287]: Unknown session exit code 0 (sig 11) from manager process
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| 06:34 | <pachola> bom dia ?
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| 06:35 | <jr_junior> hello !!!
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| 06:36 | As for the module of a network card to rise in the kernel The ltsp ??
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| 06:37 | I have a rtl8110 that works with the r8169 module, but when I give the boot ltsp the "kernel panic" saying that the missing module
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| 06:38 | As poer this module to climb in the boot of the ltsp
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| 06:38 | ?
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| 06:43 | <jr_junior> tem algum brasileiro aqui que pode me ajudar no ltsp ?
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| 07:10 | <meduxa> jr_junior better if you wrute in english
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| 07:10 | write
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| 07:40 | <mighty-d> Hi
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| 07:41 | would you help me?, im trying to integrate ltsp 5.0 on slackware 12 ... so far i downloaded the files in bzr and installed a copy of my distribution inside a file...
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| 08:51 | <cliebow> mighty-d:perhapsyou should unpack the initramfs and see how that is done..
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| 08:52 | <mighty-d> cliebow, where is thie initramfs?
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| 08:53 | cliebow, i have these files: COPYING ChangeLog TODO client/ debian/ other/ po/ server/
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| 08:53 | iniste other i have: ldm-trunk/ ltsp-trunk/ ltspfs-trunk/ mkdst-trunk/
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| 08:55 | <cliebow> ummm..you dont have an ubuntu to go by?
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| 08:56 | there is an awful lot to it..and my notes are at school such as they are..
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| 08:59 | <mighty-d> cliebow, ubuntu to go by?, no , one of the main reasons im trying to make this work is to avoid ubuntu...
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| 08:59 | cliebow, i can wait for your notes if you are willing to share it with me ...
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| 09:04 | <cliebow> i know just enough to be really dangerous..but if i were to do it..id start with scripts to install essential serices like dhcp and tftp thru inetd..
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| 09:05 | get a kernel to download..and an "initrd"
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| 09:06 | shich sets up anenvironment to initialize the network card and do second dhcp request
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| 09:06 | with some sort of switchroot to mount the true filesystem
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| 09:07 | which initializes soundcards and video
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| 09:09 | <mighty-d> cliebow, i have set dhcp and tftp thru inetd, which kernel should i use?, im only speaking of ltsp 4.2 situation, i dont remember i used initrd in the past, i used ehterboot to get my nic to ask for a kernel image, then it booted, i never really take a look if it gets an initrd image and then asks a second time to dhcp
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| 09:10 | cliebow, would you suggest me to build a new kernel?, use a prebuilt of some sort for ltsp?, use my current kernel?
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| 09:28 | <cliebow> mighty-d:are you trying to build a distro-specific ltsp5?
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| 09:28 | or using 4.2
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| 09:29 | dhcp generally runs standalone rather than via inetd...
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| 09:32 | <mighty-d> dhcp is running standalon, tftp will run via inetd... im trying to build distro-specific ltsp5
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| 09:33 | <cliebow> i believe ogra used the stock kernel..and build an initrd to do the magic...
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| 09:33 | im going to my other machine...
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| 09:33 | <mighty-d> ok
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| 09:49 | <mighty-d> cliebow, the initrd should be use for both pxe and etherboot?, or as in 4.2 i should use one of them?
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| 09:50 | <cliebow> if using etherboot the kernel is tagged with the initramfs..you'd have to read the ubuntu script prob to learn to do this..
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| 09:50 | <mighty-d> k
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| 09:51 | so, the first thing i should do is to set dhcp and tftp to hand a kernel to a client??
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| 09:51 | asking for it...
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| 09:52 | <cliebow> this is a massive job./...
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| 09:56 | <mighty-d> :P
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| 10:02 | <MasterOne> ogra, ping
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 10:23 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', (1 more message)
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> !more
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| 10:23 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'sbnet', 'paavum', 'bbq', 'guaraldo', 'nx', 'ubuntu', 'docs', 'TWOTF', 'TWOTF', 'Teutonic', 'handbook', 'question', 'ldm', 'suse', 'g', and 'firewall'
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> yay.
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| 10:23 | !more
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| 10:23 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: That's all, there is no more.
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> !TWOTF
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| 10:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "TWOTF" is (#1) Certainly not., or (#2) a.k.a. The Way Of The Future
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> !ldm
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| 10:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ldm" is For feisty users, a newer LDM will allow you to use the LDM_DIRECTX parameter. Either update to gutsy, or get a backported feisty LDM at http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> !suse
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| 10:42 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "suse" is You can find out about openSUSE's LTSP5 implementation at: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> !debian
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| 10:43 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 10:44 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 10:44 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 11:02 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 11:03 | * vagrantc waves to jammcq | |
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| 11:06 | <jammcq> hey vagrantc
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| 11:07 | <cliebow_> cliebow genuflects to jammcq
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| 11:09 | <jammcq> hey cliebow_
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| 11:09 | cliebow_: how's the weather out there?
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| 11:09 | <cliebow_> lovely....beautiful beautiful day
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| 11:09 | snow melting everywhere
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| 11:10 | got the ce off the porch
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| 11:10 | got the ice off the porch
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| 11:10 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 11:10 | I seem to be having a furnace problem today
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| 11:10 | <MasterOne> BLOODY HELL, I just got compiz working on my thin client with 1920x1200 resolution :)
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| 11:10 | <jammcq> MasterOne: awesome
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| 11:11 | <cliebow_> jammcq:warmed up there?
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| 11:11 | <MasterOne> this is pretty crazy, because I really thought this is not going to work due to missing DRI
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| 11:11 | <cliebow_> MasterOne, id be happy with 800x600
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| 11:11 | <jammcq> cliebow_: it's 36F here today
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| 11:11 | <MasterOne> shouldn't there be an applet to configure compiz?
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| 11:11 | <cliebow_> all of that here as well
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| 11:14 | <MasterOne> If Gadi would be here, I think he would fall off his chair
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| 11:15 | <cliebow_> wait til tonigh..maybe he will fall out of bed 8~)
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| 11:16 | <MasterOne> never used compiz before, how to configure it?
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| 11:25 | <cliebow_> meneither
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| 11:27 | <Drakeweb> hey guys, I'm trying to get sound on my thin client and currently any sound played on the client comes out of the server speaker! Can anyone help?
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| 11:37 | <mighty-d> gotta go now, see ya later guys
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| 11:55 | <youngun> howdy howdy
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| 11:55 | I am trying to decide on a distro that works very well with ltsp I am currently using ubuntu ultimate 1.6.
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| 11:56 | I have tried mandriva 2008 but could not get kiwi to work
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| 12:08 | <cliebow_> youngun, try cat /etc/issue what does that say??
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| 12:09 | <youngun> uh i am not it now
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| 12:09 | <cliebow_> ubuntu is the flagship for ltsp5..it should work beautifully
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| 12:13 | <youngun> it does but some of the conf are hard to find and i am not good at conf any way google and i are best friends
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| 12:14 | my kid are wanting a new distro something more eye friendly I think
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| 12:23 | <cliebow> youngun:you can always try edubunt..xubuntu..from ubuntu by apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-destop..
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| 13:49 | <klausade> vagrantc: is it still "deb http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian etch-backports/" that I should use for testing?
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| 13:50 | * vagrantc looks | |
| 13:51 | <vagrantc> klausade: it's no more current than the backports mentioned on: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 13:51 | klausade: and a little more official
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| 13:52 | i'm hoping to get a new ltspfs uploaded this week, and then i'll work on a new etch backport for ltsp/ldm/ltspfs
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| 13:54 | <klausade> vagrantc: I think I have a patch for ltspfsmounter that creates icons on the kde desktop. need that?
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> klausade: sure!
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| 13:55 | <klausade> vagrantc: shall i just attach it to a bugreport in debian?
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> klausade: sounds good
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| 13:55 | otherwise, i might forget it
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| 13:55 | but i always review the bugs for packages before doing a new upload
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| 13:56 | also gives others on the pkg-ltsp team a chance to review it
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| 14:06 | <dp> I'm following the directions listed on the debian wiki about setting up and using LTSP, but when I boot the machine that's supposed to be netbooting, it still fails with disk boot failure. the only boot option in the bios is Legacy LAN. any suggestions?
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| 14:07 | <johnny> uhmm.. sounds like a bug with your PC :)
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| 14:07 | you could also try a rom-o-matic floppy/cd
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> !bootfloppy
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| 14:07 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 14:07 | <johnny> before that tho
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| 14:07 | you could try using the boot menu option some bios have
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> i recommend the floppy at anadex.de
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| 14:08 | <johnny> iv'e noticed some bios not display errors/showing info unless they hit F12/or some key and choose network boot manually
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's a good start
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| 14:08 | <dp> johnny: I'll give that a shot
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> dp: you sure it supports PXE ?
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| 14:09 | what generation of computer is it?
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| 14:09 | <dp> vagrantc: not completely. it's an ASUS A8N
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| 14:09 | fairly new
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| 14:09 | dual core opteron
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 14:09 | <johnny> onboard nic dp?
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| 14:09 | <dp> johnny: yes
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> network booting a dual-core opteron? :P
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| 14:09 | <johnny> ok good
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| 14:09 | <dp> tried going to boot menu, same result
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| 14:10 | vagrantc: I'm limited on HDs ;)
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| 14:10 | <johnny> then the floppy is your best bet
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| 14:10 | or cd
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| 14:10 | maybe check bios updates?
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| 14:10 | other folks have similiar problems?
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| 14:10 | <dp> not sure, honestly
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| 14:12 | <johnny> prolly should look that up
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| 14:16 | <dp> looks like people have successfully done it with edubuntu, on that board
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| 14:16 | <johnny> this isn't related to *linux
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| 14:16 | or shouldn't be
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| 14:16 | try net booting another machin
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| 14:16 | <dp> I agree
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| 14:16 | one sec
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| 14:26 | <dp> one of the other machines (also an a8n) has a yukon pxe in the boot menu
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| 14:27 | when I try it, it fails stating 'no boot filename received'
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> well, that's a start
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| 14:28 | <johnny> gotta check your server side config ..
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> dp: dpkg -l 'ltsp*'
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| 14:28 | paste your dhcpd.conf to the pastebot:
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| 14:28 | !pastebot
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| 14:28 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> dp: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
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| 14:28 | <dp> only ltsp-server is installed
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> what version?
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| 14:29 | <dp> 5.0.39debian1
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> thanks.
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| 14:29 | dp: is this running lenny or sid ?
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| 14:29 | <dp> do I need dhcpd on that box, if I have a primary dhcp server?
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| 14:29 | this is lenny
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| 14:30 | <johnny> no
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| 14:30 | <dp> ok
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> dp: ah, no. but you'd need to configure the dhcp server to pass the appropriate options
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| 14:30 | <johnny> but you do have to adjust your other server to point to this for tftp
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> dp: see /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd.conf
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| 14:30 | <johnny> boot file name
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| 14:30 | i'm still using dnsmasq
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| 14:30 | so i'm not familiar with dhcpd config
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> that's why there's an example file for both :)
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| 14:30 | <johnny> ltsp + dnsmasq == awesome
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| 14:30 | <dp> *should* be able to do that with openwrt
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| 14:31 | <johnny> i had probelms with the one on openwrt
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| 14:31 | but maybe i was n00bish at the time
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| 14:31 | <dp> ok, walk me through dnsmasq then?
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> ah, this is dnsmasq ...
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| 14:31 | <dp> I'm fine with either solution, honeslty
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> then /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd-dnsmasq
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| 14:32 | haven't tried it for a long time, but it worked about a year ago
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| 14:32 | i used to use dnsmasq for LTSP dhcp, but since it wasn't the default, i started using dhcp3-server like all the others
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| 14:33 | once in a while i encountered bugs dhcp3-server that i didn't with dnsmasq
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| 14:33 | though maybe i should just push LTSP users towards dnsmasq :)
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| 14:34 | <johnny> that would be awesome :)
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| 14:34 | i'm using it to serve host names too
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| 14:34 | works greatly
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> dnsmasq is much simpler to set up than dhcp3-server or bind9 or whatever...
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| 14:37 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 14:38 | I, for one, welcome our new dnsmasq masters
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| 14:40 | <dp> ooh... modified dnsmasq.conf on openwrt based on http://wiki.robotz.com/index.php/PXE_Boot_Server_Configuration_Using_Linux, so far it's working
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| 14:40 | getting a tftp timeout :(
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| 14:40 | do I need any of the other packages?
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> dp: you'll need to pass the equivalent dhcp-option for "next-server"
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| 14:45 | <dp> which is option 66... what do I need to pass it, just the ip?
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| 14:48 | <dp> but still getting the tftp open timeout
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 14:53 | <cliebow_> dp:some bioses wont show for example a prommed etherboot card til you put one in (obviously)
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| 14:59 | <muh2000_> hmmm my login issue at terminals seems to be related to XDMCP... :/
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| 15:00 | <dp> vagrantc: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 15:00 | <cliebow_> muh2000: i hac a prob with gdm fr a while...
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| 15:01 | muh2000: i hac a prob with gdm for a while...
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> dp: do you see /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/pxelinux.0 ?
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| 15:01 | <dp> vagrantc: I do
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> dp: what's your dhcp-boot line in dnsmasq.conf ?
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| 15:03 | <ltsppbot> "dp" pasted "dhcp-boot line" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/406
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> heck, if you're pasting, paste the whole thing :)
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| 15:03 | <muh2000_> cliebow_ were you able to solve the problem? whether kdm or gdm... both dont want me to login anymore :(
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| 15:03 | <dp> well, it's for openwrt, so it doesn't match directly, but...
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| 15:03 | <ltsppbot> "dp" pasted "dnsmasq.conf" (53 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/407
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> dp: does it tell you which file it's trying to download before it times out?
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| 15:04 | <cliebow_> heh..i ended up using kdm..i di try gdm_2.20.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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| 15:04 | <dp> no, it doesn't
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> moronic PXE implementation
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| 15:04 | <dp> I can try the 'legacy lan' boot option
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| 15:04 | but I don't know that it'll do any better
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> that's probably RPL
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| 15:05 | <muh2000_> cliebow_ damn ^^ i am using normal debian lenny :/
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> dp: so .1.145 is your LTSP server?
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| 15:05 | <cliebow_> you get nologin screen???
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| 15:05 | <dp> yes
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| 15:05 | * cliebow_ vagrantc is our debian guru | |
| 15:06 | <muh2000_> cliebow_ i get a login screen. but user pw -> enter -> back to the login screen.
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| 15:06 | * vagrantc has barely touched XDMCP for 3-5 years | |
| 15:06 | <cliebow_> ohh you updated keys?
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> i still login to a console and use startx to start X
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| 15:06 | <cliebow_> oops
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| 15:06 | Gadi would tell me to be sure there is a homedir for user
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| 15:07 | <muh2000_> vagrantc: hmm that would be worth a try, what do i have to replace for startx in lts.conf?
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> heh, two days ago, i sat down at a computer, logged in, and started working for 40 minutes before realizing there wasn't a mouse
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| 15:07 | muh2000_: no, not that startx
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| 15:07 | <cliebow_> hah!
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| 15:08 | muh2000_, anything in server logfiles?
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| 15:08 | <muh2000_> vagrantc: hmmmmm o_O did you mean at a normal workstation(not a terminal) ?
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| 15:09 | kdm[16421]: Unknown session exit code 0 (sig 11) from manager process cliebow_
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> muh2000_: yes
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| 15:09 | <muh2000_> i see ^^
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| 15:09 | kernel: kdm[17755]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002aebf734dfc0 rsp 00007fffb4863b38 error 4
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> segfault ... that's bad news.
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| 15:10 | <muh2000_> the login at the server works though
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| 15:10 | <cliebow_> gdm do the same thing??
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| 15:10 | <muh2000_> cliebow_ yes
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| 16:31 | <Q-FUNK> warren: have you guys tried -amd 2.7.7.4 on your hardware collection yet?
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| 16:46 | <klausade> vagrantc: have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459369
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> klausade: looks promising... but i'm curious why you had to use a different case for all the different device names ... ?
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| 17:05 | ah, it's to display the appropriate icon
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> klausade: would that end up showing a file on gnome Desktops ?
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| 17:12 | !seen ogra
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| 17:12 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 8 hours, 7 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <ogra> cliebow_, in his cottage i bet
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| 17:21 | <klausade> vagrantc: I have no gnome desktop around. about all the different cases for different device names; I can't quit remember why myself. we wrote it last summer, more as a test-case. feel free to improve it, and code it proper :-)
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> klausade: thanks
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| 18:11 | <dp> anybody have suggestions on fixing my 'tftp open timeout' error?
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| 18:16 | nm, I fixed the problem :)
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| 18:54 | <cliebow_> dp:what did ya do?
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| 18:55 | heh
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| 19:50 | <ryudo> !ldm
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| 19:50 | <ltspbot> ryudo: "ldm" is For feisty users, a newer LDM will allow you to use the LDM_DIRECTX parameter. Either update to gutsy, or get a backported feisty LDM at http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 19:50 | <PerfDave> DirectX? LTSP includes WineX now?
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| 19:51 | <ryudo> no
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| 19:51 | direcx allow the clients no use encriptation
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| 19:51 | sorry poor english hehehe
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| 19:53 | anyone have the ldm hack for pixmaps problemans (firefox) ?
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| 19:55 | <ryudo> !nbd
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| 19:55 | <ltspbot> ryudo: Error: "nbd" is not a valid command.
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| 19:56 | <allobjects> Hi all. Can someome tell me if it is reasonable to have a standard Ubuntu desktop act as a ltsp server for one other client and continue to be used as a normal desktop for someone else ?
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| 20:03 | <jammcq> allobjects: yes, definately
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| 20:03 | <ryudo> jaamcq :)
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| 20:04 | <allobjects> jammcq: so it does not have to be a dedicated server but a workstation in its own right ?
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| 20:04 | <jammcq> allobjects: sure, that could work just fine
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| 20:04 | <ryudo> you have ldm hack for fix firefox issues (pixmaps)
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| 20:04 | ?
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| 20:04 | <jammcq> ryudo: me? no
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| 20:04 | <ryudo> :(
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| 20:05 | jammcq other question
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| 20:05 | i'm testing ubuntu 7.10 + ltsp5 on my terminals (celeron 333+64mb), and doesnt work, but 7.04 work fine
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| 20:06 | <jammcq> what doesn't work about it?
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| 20:06 | <allobjects> jammcq: and would you recommend that the user on the ltsp server is a standalone standard user or somehow have him be just another ltsp session even though running on the same box .... not sure if I'm making myself clear
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| 20:06 | <jammcq> allobjects: there's no difference between a user who logs in at the console, or a user who logs in on an ltsp workstation
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| 20:06 | <ryudo> on boot (floppy wich etherboot) the terminals stop on ................................done message
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| 20:07 | <jammcq> hmm, dunno
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| 20:08 | <ryudo> And take approximately 5 minutes on this part
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| 20:08 | <allobjects> jammcq: so that user could anytime hop onto another machine and have all their home etc ?
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| 20:08 | <ryudo> but lan cards wich PXE work fine
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| 20:08 | <allobjects> sorry if these are newbie questions
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| 20:08 | <jammcq> ryudo: did you try making a new etherboot floppy? etherboot can do PXE now
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| 20:09 | <ryudo> i try the 5.4.3 on the rom o matic site
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| 20:12 | <allobjects> jammcq: a further complication.. the client machine only has wireless network access @ 54Mpbs would that negate any benefit of running off a faster and more capable ltsp machine ? the client machine is currently a 800mhz box
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| 20:13 | <jammcq> allobjects: how would you boot a wireless client?
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| 20:13 | ltsp doesn't support wireless clients.
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| 20:14 | <allobjects> jammcq: I thought it did but only vague references found so far googling
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| 20:14 | <PerfDave> Can you not netboot over wifi just like over normal ethernet?
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| 20:14 | <jammcq> PerfDave: no, you can't
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| 20:14 | <PerfDave> Why not?
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| 20:14 | <jammcq> bootroms don't contain enough code to setup the wireless network
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| 20:15 | <PerfDave> Hmm, even if you had LinuxBIOS on your client?
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| 20:15 | <jammcq> that's just a bios
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| 20:15 | <allobjects> the client machine currently has HDD and is connected to the network wirelessly, so woul dit not be possible to have some minimal local boot on the client ?
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| 20:15 | <jammcq> you still haven't told the wireless card what the essid is or what the WEP or WPA keys are
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| 20:16 | plus, most wireless cards are on a pcmcia or usb bus
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| 20:16 | there's not enough code in the bootrom to initialize those busses
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| 20:16 | <PerfDave> jammcq: I'm pretty sure you can do that in LinuxBIOS.
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| 20:16 | <ryudo> jammcq
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| 20:16 | <jammcq> pxe and etherboot only support ISA and PCI bus
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| 20:17 | PerfDave: if you can do it, people would love you
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| 20:17 | <allobjects> PerfDave: 1 vote from me
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| 20:17 | <PerfDave> jammcq: I was looking at using an XO as a wifi-netbooting thin client, initialising the wifi in the BIOS.
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| 20:17 | <ryudo> the etherboot floppy use /ltsp/i386/nbi.img to boot ?
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| 20:18 | <jammcq> ryudo: ummm, with Ubuntu, I don't remember what the image file is called
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| 20:18 | I've been out of ltsp development for quite a while
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| 20:18 | <allobjects> but seriously in my case, is it not possible to have some minimal boot on the clients local hdd which sets up the wireless first ?
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| 20:19 | <jammcq> allobjects: well sure, but that's not ltsp
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| 20:19 | <ryudo> hum my dhcp have two lines of boot
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| 20:19 | filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 20:19 | ilename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 20:19 | <jammcq> ilename?
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| 20:19 | <ryudo> ops
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| 20:19 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 20:19 | so i need erase nbi.img
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| 20:19 | ?
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| 20:19 | <jammcq> ryudo: maybe
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| 20:20 | give it a try
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| 20:20 | <ryudo> i try it :D , other question ldm2 its crashing on my terminals (segmentation error)
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| 20:21 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 20:21 | how much memory in the client?
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| 20:22 | <ryudo> 64 mb :(
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| 20:22 | <jammcq> that should be enough
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| 20:22 | <ryudo> and 32 mb nbd swap ( how i'm icrease that?)
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| 20:23 | <allobjects> So should I be looking at another solution ? I have 1 x 700mhz CPU box and 1 x 3000mhz cpu box and for some applications e.g. Gimp or Inkskape the 700mhz box struggles so would like to leverage session on the faster box
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| 20:23 | <jammcq> allobjects: does the 700mhz box have a hard disk?
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| 20:24 | <allobjects> jammcq: sure does and currently running Ubuntu
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| 20:24 | <jammcq> allobjects: no problem. just use 'ssh -X remote_machine'
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| 20:24 | to log into the other machine
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| 20:24 | then, you can run your apps on the remote machine
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| 20:24 | * allobjects concerned he is wondering off topic | |
| 20:24 | <jammcq> they'll display back to your 700mhz machine
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| 20:25 | <allobjects> jammcq: I assume that could be set up seemlessly e.g. a shortcut/link/launcher on users desktop
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| 20:25 | <jammcq> sure
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| 20:25 | create a public/private key pair for the client
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| 20:26 | copy the public key to the remote machine, so that you can use SSH without it asking for a password
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| 20:26 | then, setup a menu entry to call a shell script that does the 'ssh -X remote_machine app_name'
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| 20:27 | <allobjects> jammcq: sounds like it may do the trick...although the user would end up with files spread ac ross two machines,
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| 20:28 | <jammcq> yeah, true
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| 20:28 | <allobjects> ut I guess I could also mount remote home on the client
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| 20:29 | jammcq: I also wonder if I will create an admin nightmare for me every time th euser discovers yet another app which is a bit slow
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| 20:30 | <jammcq> I can't answer that one
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| 20:31 | <allobjects> jammcq: although not ltsp, is it possible for the user to boot their local Ubuntu with wireless as now, but then the remainder of their session is on teh remote box ? e.g. they get a full remote desktop ?
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| 20:32 | <jammcq> sure
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| 20:32 | for that, you'd start your X server on the client and have it do a '-query remote_host'
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| 20:32 | that would give it a session on the other host
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| 20:33 | <allobjects> jammcq: that would be better then VNC ?
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| 20:33 | <jammcq> I think so
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| 20:33 | vnc is good for remote administration type stuff, but it's not very good for running real apps on a daily basis
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| 20:34 | <allobjects> jammcq: appreciate your time and help. Could you step me through how to set that up ? (sorry still a bit of linux newbie)
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| 20:34 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 20:34 | i'm pretty rusty with that stuff
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| 20:34 | <allobjects> jammcq: if I'm off topic or you don't have time I understand
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| 20:35 | <jammcq> you'd need to configure your display manager (gdm) to accept remote connections
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| 20:35 | that's on the server
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| 20:35 | 'login manager' I think it's called in the ubuntu System->Admin menu
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| 20:38 | <allobjects> jammcq: Gutsy seems to have something called 'Login Window' under Admin which has local & remote tabs etc
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| 20:38 | <jammcq> there ya go
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| 20:38 | <allobjects> jammcq: currently has 'Remote login disabled''
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| 20:41 | options are 'same as local' and 'plain with face browser' .. either I guess but sounds like I might nead to read up on what is possible with all this remote login... if you have a link handy I'll stop wasting your time
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| 20:42 | <jammcq> I don't
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| 20:43 | <allobjects> jammcq: np, thanks for your help I'll investigate this avenue and I may find I don't need to go down ltsp route
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