IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:58 | <vagrantc> ogra, warren, johnny, dberkholz, cyberorg: hoping to tag ldm shortly...
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| 00:58 | <cyberorg> hi vagrantc
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| 01:00 | <johnny> vagrantc, atm ldm is great .. no needed changes :)
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| 01:00 | i just need some official tarballs based off those tags :)
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| 01:02 | ltspfs and ldm are releasable for me as they stand
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| 01:03 | so far ..
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| 01:03 | maybe i need to figure out how to make my laptop netboot :)
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| 01:03 | some error at pxe time
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| 01:03 | :(
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| 01:04 | i'll look into it when i can rebuild my chroot
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| 01:04 | <vagrantc> johnny: well, 2.0.3 included a portuguese translation, but didn't actually add it to the list of supported translations
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| 01:04 | so i'd like to actually put that translator's work into use
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| 01:05 | <johnny> sure
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| 01:20 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, is there a place where tarballs are put up?
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| 01:21 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: nothing upstream yet
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| 01:43 | <vagrantc> ldm 2.0.5 tagged, tested, pushing and uploading to debian.
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| 06:54 | <Blinny> How do I enable the new admin 'Unlock' buttons for administrative users logged in at a thin client?
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| 07:04 | <Blinny> This may be upstream to LTSP; I see similar behavior when logging in as an admin user via NX
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| 08:13 | <zeltron> Hi
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| 08:13 | Is there anybody in there ?
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| 08:13 | I need help with ltsp5 and debian etch
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| 08:14 | <StefanB> hmm i am using ltsp5 on ubuntu
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| 08:14 | <Q-FUNK> zeltron: it's somewhat outdated, but please go ahead and ask.
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| 08:15 | <zeltron> outdated? don't understand (I'm french)...
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| 08:15 | <ogra> old
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| 08:15 | <Q-FUNK> désuet
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| 08:15 | <zeltron> thanks for translation
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| 08:15 | <Q-FUNK> etch est vraiment passé date
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| 08:16 | <zeltron> I installed everything correctly (As described in many docs)
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| 08:16 | <Q-FUNK> anyhow, what was the question?
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| 08:16 | ok
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| 08:16 | <zeltron> But when I try to boot my client (diskless), I've got a message
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| 08:17 | checking if image is initramfs... it isn't (bad gzip magic number)
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| 08:17 | <Q-FUNK> ouch
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| 08:17 | zeltron: which hardware do you use, exactly?
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| 08:17 | <zeltron> I build the client with ltsp-build-client (no options)
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| 08:18 | what kind of hardware info do you need ?
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| 08:18 | <Q-FUNK> model, manufacturer
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| 08:18 | <zeltron> I already installed ltsp4.2 and it worked
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| 08:18 | <ogra> noot at the same time i hope
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| 08:19 | *not
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| 08:19 | <zeltron> not at the same time, of course !
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| 08:20 | Q-FunK : it's not easy for me to guive you an answer, because the client don't boot
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| 08:20 | *give
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| 08:20 | <Q-FUNK> quelle marque et quel modele de matos?
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| 08:21 | <zeltron> Q-FUNK : j'avais compris cette fois... mais comme le client ne boote pas, ce n'est pas très pratique pour récuperer ces infos !
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| 08:21 | <Q-FUNK> ca se lit sur le boitier, non?
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| 08:22 | <zeltron> Q-FUNK : non, il n'y a rien d'écrit
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| 08:23 | <Q-FUNK> le boitier ressemble a quoi?
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| 08:23 | c'est tout noir avec aucune inscription?
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| 08:24 | <zeltron> tout blanc sans inscription
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| 08:25 | <zeltron> Ce sont des terminaux que j'ai recupere d'un autre service. je crois qu'ils ont été monté par une boite qui fait l'assemblage et les solutions logicielles
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| 08:25 | <ogra> zeltron, ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 --> pastebot
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| 08:25 | !pastebot
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| 08:25 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 08:29 | <ltsppbot> "zeltron" pasted "ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/528
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| 08:30 | <ogra> looking good
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| 08:30 | grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:30 | (paste that here, will only be one line)
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| 08:31 | <zeltron> I think so... I try to boot the nbi.img and nbi.img-2.6.18... the result is the same
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| 08:32 | <ltsppbot> "zeltron" pasted "grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/529
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| 08:33 | <ogra> hmm, looking good as well
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| 08:33 | dhcpd.conf ?
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| 08:35 | <zeltron> dhcpd.conf seems ok, because it works with ltsp4.2 (I changed the 'filename' option of course
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| 08:35 | <ogra> can you show us your filename option ?
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| 08:36 | <zeltron> filename : "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 08:36 | <ogra> fine
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| 08:36 | hmm
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| 08:36 | <zeltron> It finds the image, load it, but the rerror appears when it tries to decompress it
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| 08:37 | I didn't find on the Net what means bad gzip Magic number.
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| 08:38 | It seems like the nbi.img was corrupted
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| 08:39 | <ogra> ogra@ceron:~$ ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/nbi.img-2.6.24-8-generic
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| 08:39 | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 6,1M 2008-02-21 13:14 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/nbi.img-2.6.24-8-generic
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| 08:39 | (ubuntu)
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| 08:39 | yours is only half as big
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| 08:41 | <zeltron> Yes, only 4,2M...
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| 08:47 | <zeltron> So... no idea about this problem ?...
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| 08:48 | OK, I give you another one...
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| 08:49 | In fact, LTSP 4.2 worked fine for me... just one thing that didn't want to work : sound on clients
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| 08:50 | I already made the installation before and the sound worked, with ltsp-esd-alsa script
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| 08:50 | But I made the installation again, and no way to make this sound work again
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| 08:51 | users are part of audio group
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| 08:51 | sound device is well detected by ltsp client, but always an error of gstreamer device or simething like this
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| 08:53 | of course, sound = Y is activated in lts.conf...
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| 08:54 | I'm sure I only miss a little detail (it worked fine with the same server and client before), but I can't see where !
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| 08:55 | <Gadi> zeltron: what distro?
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| 08:55 | <zeltron> debian etch
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> and sound used to work on debian etch, as well
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| 08:56 | or is the sound problem new after moving to etch?
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| 08:57 | <zeltron> It worked with exactly the same configuration (machines, distro... )
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> well, I think you should stick with LTSP5 - sounds like you just need to run: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 09:00 | and then: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 09:02 | <zeltron> Gadi : I try and come back
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| 09:04 | <zeltron> exit
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| 09:04 | sorry, not the good term !
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| 09:09 | Gadi : I tried what you said chroot /opt/ltsp....., then /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 09:10 | then exit (to leave the chroot), and ltsp-update-kernel
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| 09:10 | but it doesn't change nothing
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| 09:10 | always the same message
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> is the nbi image still the same size?
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| 09:16 | <zeltron> Sorry, I was rebooting the server... Yes the nbi image is still the same size (4,2M)
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> try this: rm /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/nbi* ; chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u; chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels; ltsp-update-kernels
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| 09:25 | <zeltron> Ok... always the same error message, always the same size for nbi.img
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| 09:25 | <Q-FUNK> broken initramfs tools or borken gzip sound like the most plausible explanations
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> agreed
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| 09:26 | zeltron: try rebuilding the chroot
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| 09:27 | <zeltron> with ltsp-build-client ?
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386; ltsp-build-client
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| 09:27 | also - is the server 64-bit?
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| 09:28 | <zeltron> I try, in case of... but no real hope : It's not the first time I try to install LTSP5, and everytime, I've got the same problem. I try... and come back
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| 09:29 | Gadi : no. The server is quite old (only for tests), and 32-bit
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> good
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| 09:32 | <Blinny> How do I enable the new admin 'Unlock' buttons for administrative users logged in at a thin client? The button being grayed out may be upstream to LTSP; I see similar behavior when logging in as an admin user via NX.
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| 09:32 | <zeltron> While it is building again, a little info that I find back, reading my notes :
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| 09:33 | during ltsp-build-client, I've got an error message (not blocking) while setting udev :
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| 09:35 | sys class net is not available, persistent interface not saved. A chroot environment has been detected, udev not started
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| 09:36 | (with slashes between sys class net of course, but bitchx does'nt want them)
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| 09:36 | I don't think it's the source of the problem, but in case...
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> no, thats a good msg
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| 09:39 | not a problem
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| 09:39 | :)
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| 09:43 | <StefanB> hi, i have a problem wit ltsp5 in hardy
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| 09:44 | i get tons of messages like ldminfod connect from 192.168.0.247 in the syslog file from the server
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| 09:44 | the screen on the clients are green....
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| 09:44 | thats it
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| 09:44 | no other messages
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> StefanB: sounds like a video driver problem - do you see the bootsplash on the clients as they boot?
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| 09:46 | <StefanB> jep
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| 09:46 | i think its an ldm problem
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| 09:46 | every second one line kike: ldminfod connect from 192.168.0.247
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> nope - its video
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| 09:47 | try setting XSERVER=vesa
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| 09:47 | <StefanB> how can i see the logfiles from the teminals
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 09:48 | <StefanB> k, ok
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> (note structure of lts.conf:
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| 09:49 | [default]
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| 09:49 | XSERVER=vesa
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| 09:49 | <StefanB> thx, lets see if the client is comming up.....
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| 09:50 | still no logging messages from client in syslog....
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| 09:51 | hmmm... green screen
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| 09:51 | hmmm... no ldm messages
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| 09:51 | only a black courser
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> set: SCREEN_02=shell in your lts.conf, reboot the terminal, when it comes up hit: ctrl-alt-f2
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| 09:52 | <zeltron> Back after ltsp-build-client
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| 09:52 | still the same problem, but I had a message at the end :
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| 09:52 | Paramétrage de linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch3) ...
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| 09:52 | Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/source
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| 09:52 | However, I can not read the target: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
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| 09:52 | Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/source
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| 09:53 | It's more probable the problem is here, no ?
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> hmm... more of a question for vagrantc when he gets here
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| 09:57 | <StefanB> ok
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| 09:57 | i have the shell...
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| 09:58 | what can i do? logfiles are empty, and the screenshell is green :-)
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> is there a /var/log/X*
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| 10:00 | <StefanB> yes
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| 10:00 | no screens found
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| 10:00 | oh no, screens found, but none have a usable configuration
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| 10:01 | hmm
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| 10:01 | <Gadi> scp /var/log/X* user@server:
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| 10:01 | where user = some user on the server you have password to
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| 10:01 | then, you can pastebot it for us
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| 10:01 | !pastebot
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| 10:01 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:07 | <StefanB> hmmm, strange, scp does not prompt for a password -> permission denied
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| 10:07 | <ogra> use the server IP
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| 10:08 | <StefanB> i am using the server ip....
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| 10:09 | <StefanB> permission denied, permission denied, los connection.... it nerver prompts for a password
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| 10:09 | <ogra> your ssh server is up and running on the server machine ?
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| 10:09 | <zeltron> Ok, thank you for your help
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| 10:09 | <StefanB> i am on the server with ssh...
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| 10:10 | <ogra> with the same user ?
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| 10:10 | <zeltron> Bye
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| 10:10 | <StefanB> yes
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| 10:12 | <ogra> did you give a proper target dir in the scp command ?
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| 10:13 | <StefanB> this is my command: scp Xorg.* stefan@192.168.0.31:/tmp
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| 10:14 | on my computer it works, but on the thinclient.... it does not ask for a pwd
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| 10:15 | it directly says permission denied
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| 10:16 | <ogra> are you sure its the right IP (i.e. not he external interface of the server or so)
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| 10:17 | <StefanB> yes
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| 10:17 | same net
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| 10:17 | anyway, i just took another thinclient
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| 10:17 | <ogra> do you know what graphics HW is in there ?
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| 10:17 | <StefanB> when i did a starx on the shell, i get an white screen with a black cross
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| 10:18 | hmm, is an compaq evo
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| 10:18 | <ogra> lspci| grep -i vga
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| 10:19 | <Q-FUNK> do we have a wiki page with a list of conferences or linux shows where something LTSP related is expected to take place?
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| 10:19 | <ogra> not really
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| 10:20 | * ogra planned to talk at linuxtag .... but ubuntu-motu outsmarted me on the slot, so i only will hang around there but not talk | |
| 10:21 | <StefanB> ok, i think its working now, ... i took another thinclient (but thats strange, with ltsp4.2 all of them are working)
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| 10:22 | <ogra> StefanB, do you have anything else in the lts.conf beyond the two things Gadi told you to put in there =
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| 10:22 | ?
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| 10:22 | <StefanB> nope
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| 10:22 | <ogra> hmm
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| 10:23 | would stil be intresing whats the difference between the two
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| 10:23 | <StefanB> only xserver and xmode
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| 10:23 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: are you gonna be there on all 4 days?
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| 10:23 | <StefanB> what was the conf to disable the encription
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| 10:23 | <Q-FUNK> I'm likely gonna attend only on thursday+friday
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| 10:23 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, depends, i havent contacted my berlin friend yet, to see how many nights i can stay at his place
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| 10:24 | <ogra> but given that i will just return some days before from prague i'd like to keep it short
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| 10:24 | * ogra is travelling most of may | |
| 10:25 | <ogra> i'll likely be there the last day since we will do a ubuntu Q&A session again and a barbecue afterwards like last year
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| 10:25 | (as last session)
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| 10:25 | StefanB, LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 10:26 | StefanB, but that wont influence the behavior of the broken client
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| 10:27 | <StefanB> i know... but the broken client doesnt bother me for know... i have to setup a small testbed, i can use the other ones there....
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| 10:27 | hmmm... but its pretty slow... the screen lags somehow
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| 10:29 | <ogra> can you paste ~/.xsession-errors to the pastebin ?
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| 10:31 | <StefanB> from serverside or on client side? the client has an Trident microsystem Cybeblade/11 vga chip
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| 10:31 | <ogra> from the users session indeed
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| 10:31 | there are no users on the client ;)
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| 10:31 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: last day of linuxtag, the BBQ?
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| 10:32 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, at least thats how it was last year, the berlin LOCO did that and i heard they planned it for this year as well
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| 10:32 | <StefanB> k, one moment
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| 10:32 | <ogra> free food, pay for drinks ....
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| 10:33 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 10:33 | well, IIRC I have something here on saturday
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| 10:33 | :(
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| 10:37 | <ltsppbot> "StefanB" pasted "Xsession: X session started fo" (289 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/530
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| 10:37 | <StefanB> pastebot.ltsp.org/530
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| 10:37 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:38 | it pastes the link automatcally
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| 10:38 | do you have a binary driver like fglrx installed on the server ?
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| 10:38 | the log looks fine btw, i was suspecting compiz to kick in or something like that
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| 10:38 | but its properly using metacity
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| 10:39 | <StefanB> hmmm, ther server is a domU in xen....
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| 10:39 | <ogra> oh
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| 10:39 | <StefanB> maybe it has something to do with ubuntu hardy..... i did an equal setup with gutsy (also xen) and this was pretty fast
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| 10:39 | <ogra> xen
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| 10:40 | ltsp didnt really change much between the two, i restricted myself to bugfixes instead of features due to it beng LTS
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| 10:40 | <StefanB> on an slower computer... And now i have my new Server with hardy and nothing works :(
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| 10:40 | <ogra> *beng
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| 10:40 | GAH
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| 10:40 | *b e i n g
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| 10:40 | :)
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| 10:41 | <StefanB> hmm
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| 10:43 | it runs quite good, only the screen refresh is really slow :(
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| 10:43 | <ogra> do you still have th eshell running on tty2 on the client =
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| 10:43 | ?
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| 10:44 | <StefanB> no
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| 10:44 | <ogra> its probably using vesa or something like that
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| 10:44 | <StefanB> no, i removed the vesa module
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| 10:44 | it know uses the trident stuff
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| 10:45 | <ogra> hmm, i was about to ask if you could try with vesa to check if its the driver ...
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| 10:46 | to see if there is any difference
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| 10:46 | <StefanB> i did it alredy.... vesa is even slower (and the screen is flieckering
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| 10:46 | <ogra> meh
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| 10:48 | <ogra> vagrantc, !
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> ogra: hey :)
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| 10:49 | <ogra> tagging the world, eh ?
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| 10:49 | :)
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> hrm?
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| 10:49 | <ogra> you did a lot of tags the last days
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| 10:50 | ltsp, ldm ...
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> ltspfs and ldm, i think.
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| 10:50 | * ogra wonders what to do about ltsp and MoM | |
| 10:50 | <vagrantc> actually, warren tagged ltspfs
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| 10:50 | MoM ?
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| 10:51 | <ogra> yeah :) our beloved one in ubuntu
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| 10:51 | Merge o Matic :)
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| 10:51 | http://merges.ubuntu.com/l/ltsp/REPORT
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| 10:51 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 10:51 | <ogra> vagrantc, do you have any reports about X slowness in sid ?
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> ogra: haven't heard anything, but that doesn't say much
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| 10:52 | <ogra> its the second time i see someone complain about sluggish X performance now
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| 10:52 | and since ltsp didnt really change there i suspect X (which should be identical in sid and hardy atm)
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: so you basically grabbing ldm and ltspfs?
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| 10:54 | ogra: ltsp is the only one we really need to think about merging?
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| 10:54 | <ogra> well, not sure yet
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| 10:55 | i'll dump my changes to the ubuntu plugins into upstream anyway
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| 10:56 | so whats left are some pacaging differences in the end
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 10:56 | * vagrantc sings a song about bzr | |
| 10:56 | <ogra> hehe
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> vagrantc, ogra: last night I bought tix for Portland in July - did jammcq catch you guys today at all?
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> Gadi: nah. what days are you here for?
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> thu the 24th thru mon the 28th
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| 11:16 | so the tail end rather than the head
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| 11:17 | * Gadi had a free ticket that I had to book yesterday | |
| 11:17 | <vagrantc> ah, ok.
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| 11:17 | * vagrantc wonders when other folks are planning on being around | |
| 11:17 | <Gadi> and without a clear consensus from the group I called jammcq in a panoic
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| 11:17 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> seems it works for jammcq, sbalneav, and dberkholz
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| 11:17 | <vagrantc> works for me either way
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> I am hopeful it works for the rest of the group
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> or both beginning and end :)
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> great
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| 11:18 | I figured eharrison is cool too
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> i'm guessing ogra, if coming at all, will likely be on the beginning end of things
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| 11:19 | <ogra> 21-22th is ubuntulive
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> right
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> right - but maybe you can get the powers that be to let you be there thru the weekend
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| 11:20 | a day for oscon and a few for ltsp ;)
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| 11:20 | its not like you can't work from Portland...
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| 11:20 | all you need is a couch
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| 11:21 | <ogra> and wlan
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> in fact, I need to find one of those, too
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| 11:21 | :)
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| 11:21 | most couches come with wlan these days
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| 11:21 | <ogra> i dont know if tere are any other things coming in my way yet
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| 11:21 | (classmate or some such)
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> isnt intel in portland?
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| 11:22 | <ogra> and i havent gotten feedback yet
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| 11:22 | (asked three weeks ago, waiting for response from teh management)
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> okey dokey
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| 11:24 | <Q-FUNK> we'd really need an event calendar page on the wiki
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| 11:39 | <ogra> vagrantc, i think thats what he cares least about 9 days away from release ;)
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:39 | * vagrantc wonders how warren is doing in general | |
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| 12:05 | <Q-FUNK> he's changing office space
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| 12:06 | RH is getting new premises
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| 12:35 | <lns_> weird, i'm changing offices right now too..although i have to admit we're not as big as RH =p
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| 13:20 | <gvy> hi
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| 13:43 | <ByPasS> any1 using ltsp with kde4 ?
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| 13:44 | <johnny> doubtful..
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| 13:44 | since no distro is shipping it
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| 13:45 | oh wait.. i forgot. did ubuntu ship it? but not lts?
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| 13:45 | i haven't heard anybody talk about using kde4 with ltsp here ever tho
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| 13:45 | <gvy> ByPasS, you don't want kde 4.0
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| 13:45 | <ByPasS> ok all good :)
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| 13:45 | <gvy> if you listen to kde developers :)
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| 13:46 | <ByPasS> i was just wondering if i could get kiosk tool to work with kde4
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| 13:46 | <gvy> you want 4.1 when it's done :)
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| 13:46 | <ByPasS> so ill stick with kde3
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| 13:46 | anyway i need kde kiosk mode too
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| 13:46 | <gvy> yup
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| 13:46 | <ByPasS> and it seems that the current tools are broken with kde4 as it is so dif
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| 13:46 | * gvy uses icewm for kiosks with great success :) | |
| 13:46 | <gvy> it's actually very very very much suited for that
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| 13:46 | <ByPasS> icewm umm hows the lock down with it
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| 13:47 | i kinda created a windows alike locked kde3.2 for the thins
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| 13:47 | ill have a look i guess
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| 13:51 | any probs related to ubuntu 8.04 tho ?
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| 13:53 | shouldnt thanks for the advices gvy
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| 13:54 | <gvy> ByPasS, there's a winxp-like theme for icewm, and you can basically write your own ~user/.icewm/menu (and toolbar and preferences, the files are pretty self explanatory or see examples in docs)
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| 13:54 | so that you can *build* features, not lock them down
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| 13:54 | <gvy> compare to "allow by default" vs "drop by default" firewall policy :)
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| 13:55 | <ByPasS> I c so i could get a .icewm default profile
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| 13:55 | and eventually customize it to add certain app to certain users ?
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| 13:55 | <gvy> but that's more useful if you're going to invest say a week into polishing things
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| 13:55 | yes, you can do system-wide settings too (it's /etc/X11/icewm/ here)
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| 13:56 | <ByPasS> kiosk tool was a dirty ez tool lil buggy too tho so it did the job for the first generation
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| 13:56 | <gvy> cpu/ram/net activity indicators are there too, and icewm tray does support that kde/gnome tray protocol
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| 13:56 | well, if it works, don't fix it :)
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| 13:56 | <ByPasS> i got plenty of time to polish the X env
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| 13:57 | ill stick with kde first and try with old hw and play with icewm
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| 13:57 | anyway at my location i got roughly maybe 30 clients
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| 13:58 | <gvy> for ltsp icewm means reduced memory consumption on server mainly... still xorg on the thin client should take up a bit less ram too
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| 13:58 | for pixmaps
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| 13:58 | 30 kde clients is roughly a gig here (23 kde+ff would be 1.1G)
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| 13:59 | * Q-FUNK loves icewm with the clearlooks theme | |
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| 14:23 | <ByPasS> good metrics than i got 4g ram so I should be fine
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| 14:23 | then
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| 14:26 | <gvy> yup
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| 14:27 | maybe 1.5x less fine (it's altlinux, we use careful linking with -Wl,--as-needed which helps against library bloat a lot) but still should be perfectly enough :)
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| 16:38 | <warren> vagrantc: ogra: what port do you folks run nbdswapd on?
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| 16:39 | vagrantc: ogra: I copied a port number from an older edubutu when I set our xinetd to use port 9572 for nbdswapd
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> warren: that's a good question.
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| 16:40 | warren: for a while, i was trying to use the same ort that ltsp 4.x used, but maybe switched to what ubuntu was using ...
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| 16:40 | 9572 is what ubuntu switched to, i think.
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| 16:40 | <warren> but ltsp-init-common has port 9210 for some reason
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> that's what 4.x used
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| 16:40 | <warren> so ltsp-init-common is the broken one
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> well, depends on what you mean by broken...
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| 16:41 | <warren> what number should it be defaulting to?
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> they're all arbitrarily chosen numbers ...
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| 16:41 | <warren> yes but we have to choose defaults
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> and they all have their history and precendents
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| 16:42 | <warren> what is your latest debian using now?
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| 16:42 | 9572 or 9210?
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| 16:42 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445072 anyhow
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| 16:42 | I must add some small delay (sleep 0.5) to /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common
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| 16:42 | routine configure_swap after "modprobe nbd", else next command nbd-client
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| 16:42 | for some reason fail:
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| 16:42 | have you seen this problem as well?
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> docs say 9210, i think the package uses 9572
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| 16:43 | haven't used nbd swap much
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| 16:43 | <warren> me neither
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| 16:43 | mind if I change ltsp-init-common to 9572?
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| 16:43 | I already shipped server with 9572 and I can't change it easily
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| 16:43 | because xinetd is stupid
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> i kind of was hoping to stick to 9210, just because we've switched so many things arbitrarily in the transition from 4.x to 5 ... but 9572 has been in use long enough to probably be considered the new default
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| 16:45 | <warren> I wish I discovered this before release
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| 16:45 | vagrantc: have you seen the delay problem?
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> warren: haven't seen it, but haven't tested it in at least a year or two
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| 16:46 | <stgraber> Looking at my Ubuntu LTSP here, I have ldminfod on 9571 so 9572 would probably make more sense than a completely different port number like 9210
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> that's why it was chosen
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| 16:48 | <warren> i'm impressed that this guy figured out the delay
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| 16:48 | the delay only means it is more likely to not fail, not guaranteed
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| 16:49 | vagrantc: any opinion if we should just paper over the bug with a delay, or try to get it actually fixed?
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| 16:49 | perhaps "don't return from modprobe until it actually works"
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> warren: i have tested NBD root and it never required such a sleep
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| 16:50 | <warren> vagrantc: how fast of a machine did you test it on?
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| 16:50 | or maybe this is a regression in newer kernels
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> warren: virtualbox on an 866MHz
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> i've only tested NBD on 2.6.24 kernels
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| 16:53 | <warren> this is interesting
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| 16:53 | telnet 172.31.100.254 9572
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| 16:53 | Connected to 172.31.100.254.
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| 16:54 | Escape character is '^]'.
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| 16:54 | /usr/sbin/nbdswapd: line 23: /dev/stderr: No such device or address
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> oh, nice.
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| 16:54 | <warren> echo "ERROR: not a directory or not writeable: $SWAPDIR" > /dev/stderr
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| 16:54 | this doesn't look right
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| 16:54 | wouldn't 2>&1 be better?
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> you have /dev/stderr ?
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| 16:55 | <warren> yes, /dev/stderr exists
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> warren: define better?
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| 16:55 | <warren> more commonly used?
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> i guess i started using /dev/stderr a while back because it looks so much more readable...
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| 16:56 | even though 2>&1 is common practice ...
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| 16:56 | <warren> I gotta get on the bus now
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| 17:00 | <dberkholz> isn't using /dev/stderr a bashism
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: not in my experience
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| 17:00 | <dberkholz> the bash man page just says it's handled specially
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| 17:01 | <dberkholz> i don't use any other shells, so i dunno
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> i definitely tested it in other shells before starting to use it
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> works in dash and posh
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| 18:13 | <gbolte> hello
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| 18:13 | its me again
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| 18:13 | LD
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| 18:13 | :d
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| 18:15 | has anyone seen cyberorg
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| 18:15 | !seen cyberorg
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| 18:15 | <ltspbot> gbolte: cyberorg was last seen in #ltsp 16 hours, 54 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <cyberorg> vagrantc, is there a place where tarballs are put up?
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| 18:17 | <gbolte> I am still attempting to try and figure out why in LTSP5 auto mounted drives do not show on the users desktop
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| 18:17 | they are showing in /media/
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| 18:17 | but for some reason gnome will not put an icon on the desktop
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| 18:18 | its sorta strange
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| 18:20 | <johnny> did you post to ml?
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| 18:21 | <gbolte> johnny nope do you have a link to the page with the ML addy?
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> gbolte: using GNOME ?
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| 18:23 | <gbolte> vagrantc, yes
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| 18:27 | I am wondering if it is gnome-vfs that needs to be patched to handle objects in /media correctly
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| 18:28 | but last time I was here someone running fedora said that it works fine
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| 18:28 | <johnny> gnome-vfs can handle media fine without any patch
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| 18:28 | <gbolte> so I dont know if that is because fedora has patched their gnome-vfs to handle ltsp mounts or what
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| 18:28 | <johnny> that is.. outside of ltsp
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| 18:29 | <gbolte> yeah thats what I am talking about though is LTSP
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| 18:29 | ;)
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| 18:29 | gnome-vfs works great on devices that are actually hardware connected to the server
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| 18:29 | but dosent work for ltsp mounts
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| 18:30 | eg I stick a cd into my workstation ltsp mounts the device to the server in /media
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| 18:30 | but gnome dosent pick it up
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| 18:31 | thats why I have a feeling that I need to have a patched version of gnome-vfs to make that work properly
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| 18:31 | which I have not seen for opensuse
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> gbolte: one of the issues with gnome-vfs is seeing icons for other users, but ltspfs doesn't need any special patches to show icons for things in /media
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| 18:33 | <gbolte> hmm well I wonder why mine is broken
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| 18:34 | :/
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> user in the fuse group?
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| 18:34 | * gbolte checks | |
| 18:34 | <vagrantc> presuming there is a fuse group ...
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| 18:34 | basically, /dev/fuse needs to be writeable
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| 18:35 | <gbolte> vagrantc, well if my user was not in fuse then it should not be able to mount the ltsp device at all right?
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> ah, right. nevermind.
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| 18:35 | it's the /media/USERNAME/DEVICENAME -> Desktop icons that you're having trouble with...
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| 18:36 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 18:36 | it mounts the ltsp device but gnome never picks up on it
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| 18:37 | ltspfs 370M 370M 0 100% /media/gbolte/atacd-cdrom
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| 18:37 | thats the output of df -h
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| 18:44 | I am going to see if there are any gnome-vfs packages missing
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| 18:48 | vagrantc, do you have a /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules folder
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> gbolte: i don't have a system where ltspfs is working handy, but it is present on debian etch
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| 18:51 | <gbolte> ah ok well I was wondering if maybe there were gnome-vfs modules active on debian or any other distro that this works on that are not on mine
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| 18:51 | that seems like it is where all the modules are globally controlled from
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| 18:51 | <johnny> maybe it could be that patches applied to opensuse are screwing you over?
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| 18:51 | instead of the other way around..
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| 18:51 | i have seen few opensuse ltsp users here
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| 18:52 | so it's hard to say
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| 18:52 | <gbolte> johnny, yeah that is a possibility
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| 18:52 | <johnny> you could just switched to debian/ubuntu/fedora :)
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| 18:52 | <gbolte> I should see if I can find the patch history for gnome-vfs on opensuse
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| 18:52 | actually I cant
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| 18:53 | we are a Novell shop here
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> vendor lock-in in the world of free software :)
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| 18:55 | <gbolte> vagrantc, well that is true to a point we actually own licences for SLES and SLED however SLED is limiting to say the least
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| 18:55 | lol
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| 18:55 | * vagrantc doesn't know the SuSE acronym namespace | |
| 18:56 | <gbolte> Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop and Suse Linux Enterprise Server
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| 19:03 | hmm well looking through the changelog shows me that they added support for FUSE based filesystems
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| 19:03 | Add FUSE to known filesystem types (#349622)
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| 19:03 | Patch from Rob Garth
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| 19:03 | so thats a good thing I suppose
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| 19:04 | :P
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