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Channel log from 15 December 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:51 | <vagrantc> !seen sbalneav
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| 02:51 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 13 hours, 36 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <sbalneav> should be heading to your inbox
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| 04:58 | <Empiric> hi all
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| 04:59 | hay am getting anoid things
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| 05:01 | i have installed ubunbu with ltsp 4.2
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| 05:01 | server is going standby mode
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| 05:01 | i dont know why
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| 05:01 | am thinking
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| 05:01 | abt its going standby
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| 05:16 | <Empiric> any idea
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| 05:22 | <cntb> \o
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| 05:23 | not been here foe ages
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| 08:11 | <Darke-_> ogra: Hi again, i just installed edubuntu i386 on a workstation, to test it out outside the regular network.. So i frealy can use it as dhcp-server etc
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| 08:12 | But now, it does not seem as if i got the ltsp packages installed..
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| 08:12 | and i cant find em with apt either.
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| 08:12 | and yes its 6.10
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| 08:12 | edgy
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| 08:12 | <ogra> and installed from the install CD, not the live one ?
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| 08:13 | <Darke-_> install CD
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| 08:13 | yes
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| 08:13 | <ogra> (the live CD has no server bits at all)
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| 08:13 | <Darke-_> crap
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| 08:13 | i got it from a college..
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| 08:14 | and he now say that it was a livecd he gaved me.. since i only had the amd64 cd..
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| 08:14 | sorry for bothering you :)
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| 08:14 | im gonna strangle him.
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| 08:14 | <ogra> the install CD installs in textmode ... if you just hit enter at the bootscreen you are installing the ltsp server
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| 09:04 | <redguy_work> hi, I'm considering integration of LTSP into the PLD distro. According to http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp the LTSP bits I need are: ltspfsd, getltscfg, lp_server and ltspinfod. Where can I get sources to these pacakges? Is there any place where I can find more info on LTSP integration?
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| 09:07 | <ogra> redguy_work, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/ltsp-mainline has the source for ltsp5
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| 09:08 | please use bzr to submit patches to integrate with your distro
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| 09:08 | (the above tree has the merged sources from debian and ubuntu and will soon get the integrated redhat bits as well)
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| 09:10 | redguy_work, apart from that, the best sources for info on ltsp5 are me, vagrantc, sbalneav and for redhat eharrison (but he's a rare guest here)
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| 09:12 | <redguy_work> ogra: as far as I understand, the (ed)ubuntu implementation of MueKow was the first one and all other (Debian and Red Hat) are based on this one. Correct?
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| 09:12 | ogra: and in fact : that implementation is the new LTSP 5, True?
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| 09:14 | <ogra> well, the ubuntu one was the first one, but from a year ago to today debian particiapted a lot ... its rather a jiont effort nowadays
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| 09:14 | and yes, whats in (ed)ubuntu atm is the ltsp5 prerelease ...
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:17 | <ogra> sbalneav, scottie !!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> Hey hey!
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| 09:17 | Power buttons for the win!
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| 09:18 | <ogra> sbalneav, i just checked, sad to disappoint you, but acpi-support is installed by ubuntu-minimal
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| 09:18 | so its already there, no idea why you had to install it manually
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| 09:18 | and it wont solve session interaction
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> No, it won't do that, I know
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| 09:19 | But, it solves the "hung nbd-swap" problem for me.
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| 09:19 | <ogra> really ?
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| 09:19 | thats intresting, because there is no code for it
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> Sure. If you're using GDM, and you have the users log out, and just press the powerbutton...
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| 09:20 | <ogra> i discussed it with vagrant and we thought about having a pinger in nbdswapd
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| 09:20 | i dont use GDM anywhere in ltsp :P you know that ...
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| 09:20 | tell me next time if you talk about gdm ;)
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> if you've got ACPI turned off in the bios, so the machine "just turns off immediately", then the machine gets turned off immediately, but the swapper never gets shut down.
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| 09:21 | <ogra> right
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> Some of us can't break our old habits. :)
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| 09:21 | <ogra> if you have a proper shutdown sequence or ise ldm who shuts down nbd-client than its fine
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| 09:21 | s/ise/use/
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| 09:21 | ldm is lacking the integration with the acpi scripts ...
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| 09:22 | so it will do a hard shutdown ... since i dont want the whole shutdown sequence in ltsp at all
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| 09:39 | <Lumiere> hi all
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| 09:40 | anyone here know why a k12ltsp 5.0.0 upgrade would completely kill a computer?
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| 09:50 | <efra> Hi everybody
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| 09:52 | <Lumiere> hi
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> Lumiere: Define "completely kill"
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| 09:57 | Like, doesn't boot?
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| 09:57 | Smoked the computer
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| 09:57 | Went on a killing spree with 43 dead and 841 wounded?
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| 09:57 | what?
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| 09:58 | <ogra> k12amok ?
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| 09:58 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 10:08 | <pablo> hi! ive installed ltsp 4.2 and followed the instructions said in ltsp page when i come to configure the services needed nfs says installed yes, enabled no and runnig yes i also have trouble whit dhcp an tftpd (im using ubuntu 6.06)
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> pablo: Have you installed tftp?
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| 10:09 | <pablo> tftpd: the ltspadmin utility cannt run tftpd (ive installed all the 3 packages that come wiht ubuntu 6.06 but ltspadmin says it cant make it run
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| 10:10 | it says its installed, its enabled but not running
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| 10:10 | same happens whit dhcp
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| 10:11 | when configuring tftpd via ltspadmin says: inetd: no process killed ... The signal has been sent to start tftpd, but it doenst appear to be running
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> What command did you run to install tftp?
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| 10:12 | <pablo> first i did: apt-get install tftpd
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| 10:13 | tftpd was installed by apt but ltspadmin continued to say it could not make it run
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| 10:13 | then i tried apt-get install tftpd-hpa
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> You probably want tftpd-hpa
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| 10:14 | <pablo> the same happended
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| 10:14 | then i tried atftpd
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> do this:
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| 10:15 | netstat -an | grep :69
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| 10:16 | <pablo> i did it and thers no output in the consoile :(
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 10:17 | <pablo> tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /tftpboot
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> Not familiar with that one.
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| 10:19 | I use tftpd-hpa, and the line to use for that one is:
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| 10:19 | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tft
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| 10:19 | pd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 10:20 | then make sure the LTSP kernels get put in /var/lib/tftpboot.
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| 10:20 | <pablo> so... i will remove my tftpd server and install tftpd-hpa
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| 10:24 | <pablo> i removed all tftpd stuff and did sudo apt-get install tftpd-hpa
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| 10:25 | <mrlinux> why does flash crash on my clients
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| 10:25 | <pablo> now doing a grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf says:
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| 10:25 | tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /tftpboot
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| 10:26 | <mrlinux> anyone know?
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| 10:26 | <pablo> running ltspadmin and configuring tftpd still says it cant maker running tftpd :(
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| 10:26 | <Lumiere> sbalneav: can't login, X's charset is dead
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| 10:26 | <pablo> should i change inetd.conf file so it looks like yours?
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> pablo: what does netstat -an | grep :69 show now?
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> mrlinux: Because flash is a crummy propriatary piece of junk.
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| 10:37 | <mrlinux> so how do i fix this i need to know
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| 10:38 | sbalneav, so how do i fix this i need to know
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> Which version of flash?
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| 10:44 | <mrlinux> Shockwave Flash 7.0 r69
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| 10:45 | <sbalneav> and does it crash always, or just sometimes?
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| 10:45 | <mrlinux> on the server it works on the clients it crashes
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| 10:45 | <sbalneav> always, or sometimes?
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| 10:45 | You didn't answer that
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| 10:46 | <mrlinux> always on the client
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| 10:46 | never on ther server
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| 10:46 | <sbalneav> Have you set up sound?
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| 10:47 | <mrlinux> i new i forgot some thing
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| 10:47 | how do i set up the sound
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> It's on our wiki
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| 10:47 | wiki.ltsp.org
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| 10:49 | <mrlinux> thx
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| 10:50 | i cant find it
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| 10:51 | never mind
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| 10:52 | <sbalneav> Never mind, you found it?
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| 10:53 | <mrlinux> your talking about esd right
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| 10:56 | how do i detect what version of ltsp i have
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> mrlinux: cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version
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| 11:11 | <mrlinux> no such file or dir
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> How did you install this ltsp?
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| 11:14 | <mrlinux> i didn't it was there i am using edubuntu
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| 11:15 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 11:15 | wait
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> What did you run to configure your ltsp?
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hey there :)
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: hey hey
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| 11:17 | I updated the postinst in my packaging
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| 11:20 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok.
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| 11:20 | <mrlinux> nuthing i didn; config anything
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> I'm confued.
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| 11:21 | You say your running Ubuntu 6.06
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| 11:21 | Now you say you're running Edubuntu
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| 11:22 | First you say you installed ltsp from us
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| 11:22 | now you're saying your using the one that comes with edubuntu.
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| 11:22 | So, I'm not really sure what you're using.
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| 11:22 | Why don't we start this again.
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| 11:22 | What, EXACTLY are you running?
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| 11:24 | <mrlinux> Edubuntu 6.10 the ltsp is the one that comes with edubuntu
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| 11:25 | afk have to go to the food court brb with in 10 min
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| 11:30 | <mrlinux> back
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> we need to write a script that detect what distro is being run and if it's ltsp 4.x or 5.x
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| 11:32 | there's probably a few simple checks that would narrow it down pretty quickly.
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> mrlinux: ok, so is this a fresh install of Edubuntu 6.10?
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| 11:36 | <mrlinux> yes
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> ok, then sound should work out of the box.
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| 11:38 | Have you tried booting a workstation?
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| 11:38 | ANd tested sound at all
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| 11:38 | i.e. play an .ogg file, or something?
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| 11:39 | <mrlinux> ok i have to go and talk to a teacher be back in 10
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| 11:52 | <mrlinux> havent tested sound i'll check
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| 11:58 | <Envite> Hola a todos desde España
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| 11:58 | Hello all from Spain
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| 11:59 | <knowlton> s
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| 12:00 | <knowlton> ogra: what kernel to recommend for smp machine in dapper?the k7?
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| 12:00 | or server?
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| 12:01 | <knowlton> Scottie?
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| 12:02 | <Envite> knowlton: asking for linux kernel?
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| 12:03 | <mrlinux> sbalneav, sound works
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| 12:03 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 12:03 | <mrlinux> sbalneav, so how do i fix my flash problem
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| 12:03 | <knowlton> this is cliebow..
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| 12:03 | <sbalneav> so how did you install flash?
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| 12:04 | <gentgeen__> OT ... anyone with a Mac browser handy -- FF or Safari? If so could you look at http://www.pavcs.org/index2.html and check the 2nd and 3rd tabs
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| 12:05 | <mrlinux> sbalneav, add remove applications
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| 12:07 | <knowlton> Ho
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| 12:08 | <sbalneav> mrlinux: Well, you can try to set in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc:
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| 12:09 | FIREFOX_DSP="esd"
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| 12:09 | That might help a bit, but will tend to make your firefox a bit more unstable.
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| 12:10 | <mrlinux> do i do this on the client or server
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| 12:11 | <sbalneav> On the server
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| 12:12 | <mrlinux> ok i will try it
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| 12:15 | firefox won't open now
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| 12:20 | <sbalneav> Well, try it at "auto" I suppose.
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| 12:25 | <mrlinux> the sever firefox will start but the client wont
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| 12:26 | <sbalneav> ok, well, best to set it back to "none" then.
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| 12:29 | <mrlinux> sbalneav, what do you sugest
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| 12:30 | <sbalneav> Did you set it back to none?
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| 12:30 | <mrlinux> yes
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| 12:30 | <sbalneav> So, firefox loads now?
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| 12:32 | <mrlinux> it opens
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| 12:32 | <sbalneav> ok.
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| 12:33 | <mrlinux> sbalneav, what do you sugest i do about flash
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| 12:34 | <sbalneav> Well, flash has always had trouble in LTSP. Quite frankly, it wasn't designed to run in a thin client. We're currently working on a better sound architechture, which should work better with flash 9 when it comes out.
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| 12:34 | <mrlinux> so i am sol right now your saying
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| 12:35 | am i SOL
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| 12:35 | <sbalneav> Well, google around in the ltsp archives. It works for some, not for others.
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| 12:36 | The problems not with LTSP, but rather flash, which doesn't properly support network sound.
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| 12:36 | <mrlinux> what would happen if i got the ltsp from LTSP.org
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| 12:36 | instead
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| 12:36 | <sbalneav> Wouldn't make much difference.
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| 12:36 | Besides, we're switching over to LTSP5 anyway, and that's what's in Edubuntu.
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| 12:37 | <mrlinux> figures
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| 13:06 | <i2ambler> Hello.. is there a way for me to have the jammin boot to GUI but the server boot in runlevel 3?
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> i2ambler: are you just trying to avoid gui on the console?
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| 13:45 | <brich> Question about integrating ltsp5 into an rpm distribution (opensuse).
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| 13:45 | Is it working as described here?
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| 13:45 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow#Steps_to_build_the_LTSP_Root_Tre
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| 13:46 | * vagrantc checks | |
| 13:46 | <brich> Is there a more update to date version of the fedora attempt to integrate ltsp? The fedora ltsp integration is described at:http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow#Fedora_Core_3_Testing
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| 13:46 | * vagrantc hasn't seen *anything* from the fedora folks. | |
| 13:46 | <vagrantc> hey have been quite secretive.
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| 13:47 | brich: the Steps_to_build_the_LTSP_Root_Tree thing is theoretical.
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> brich: we developed an implementation for debian and ubuntu that is hopefully flexible enough for other distros to plug into.
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| 13:48 | <brich> I justed started to look at the ubuntu wiki ThinClientIntegration page.
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| 13:48 | * vagrantc looks for links to more info | |
| 13:48 | <brich> But there are a lot of links
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 13:49 | <brich> That's a start....
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 13:50 | <brich> I would like to know which packages are really needed, checking now.
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> though the "more details" bit is missing some of the most important stuff :(
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| 13:50 | <brich> ps: I have seen the ltsp wiki pages that you refer to.
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> the wiki pages don't really get into the nitty-gritty how to implement it...
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| 13:51 | <i2ambler> yeah, just trying to avoid GUI on the server. however, gui on the ltsp.
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> but i can explain it.
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| 13:51 | <i2ambler> looks like i can just comment out the default server in defaults.conf
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| 13:52 | <brich> vagrantc : please tell me :)
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| 13:52 | I assume the needed modules are:
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| 13:52 | ltsp_core ltsp_kernel ltsp_libusb ltsp_localdev ltsp_pciutilsltsp_perl ltsp_scanners ltsp_vnc_module ltsp_x_addtl_fonts ltsp_x_core
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| 13:52 | <vagrantc> brich: modules?
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| 13:52 | <brich> ltsp_core ltsp_kernel etc
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| 13:53 | * vagrantc knows nothing of such modules. | |
| 13:53 | <brich> You know the knows of ltsp4
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> are these form the LBE ? the LBE is no longer a part of ltsp5
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| 13:53 | <i2ambler> the ones you can download from ltspadmin
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> the idea is to use as much code as possible from the distro itself.
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> No, you wouldn't use those at all.
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| 13:54 | You'd be using your distro's packages.
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| 13:54 | <brich> Yes I know, but...
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| 13:54 | The distro pkgs should be what those modules provided
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| 13:55 | * vagrantc attempts to write a howto on the fly | |
| 13:55 | <brich> I'll provide a list of packages, it's quite a lot:
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| 13:55 | audiofile aumix bash busybox e2fsprogs esd freetype getltscfg glibchaltsys kernel lbuscd libgcc_s libpng libusb libvncserver localdev lp_server
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| 13:55 | ltspfsd ltspinfod ltsptree module-init-tools modules ltsp_nasd nbd ncurses
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| 13:55 | net-tools nfs-utils open openssl pam pci_scan pciutils perl popt portmap prep_swap sane snmpd ssh startsess sysvinit tcp_wrappers udev udev-rules util-linux
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| 13:55 | vidlist vnc-module x-core x-fonts xinetd ypbind zlib
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> Sure. To get the "base" functionality, you'd need: a kernel, and enough infrastructure to support xorg in XDMCP or ssh tunnelling mode using either sdm or ldm
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| 13:56 | <brich> These are the pkgs that were used with ltsp4. I assume that I should get the similar ones from
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| 13:56 | my distro and have those installed in /opt/ltsp
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> At a bare minumum, yes.
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| 13:56 | <brich> with chroot
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> yes, with chroot.
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> brich: ok. here's a different approach.... install the absolute minimal system for your distro into a chroot.
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| 13:56 | brich: install kernel, X, nbd.
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| 13:56 | done.
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| 13:57 | <brich> Is that all?
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| 13:57 | What about X?
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> brich: install kernel, X, nbd.
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| 13:57 | <brich> ;)
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> You'll need X as well
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> so, there's obviously more to it, but that summarizes the concept pretty well.
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| 13:58 | <brich> The more to me is: where are the sources for ltspadmin, ltspconfig etc?
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> it's probably best not to try and translate what was needed in ltsp 4.x to ltsp 5.x
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| 13:58 | <brich> vagrantc: why not?
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> brich: because it's probably just easier to meet the requirements for ltsp5 in your distro, as the correlations don't always exist.
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| 13:59 | but maybe that's just my twisted view of the world, having never done anything with ltsp 4.x, and written a lot of ltsp 5 :)
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| 14:00 | <brich> Okay. Besides kernel, ndb and X I assume that busybox, ssh and such modules are needed too.
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/mainline/
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| 14:00 | <brich> Thanks.
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| 14:01 | Can you refer to the src debian pkgs too?
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> http://packages.debian.org/src:ltsp
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| 14:01 | <brich> I assume that there no src.rpms available yet?
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| 14:01 | YOu read my mind, thanks!
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> not that i'm aware of.
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| 14:02 | <brich> Is ldm really needed?
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> so, there are two components- the server side (ltsp-build-client) and the client side (the ltsp-client* init scripts)
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| 14:02 | no.
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| 14:02 | <brich> It looks to me, it's for a vpn kind of thing.
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> it allows to do nice stuff with ssh tunnels that are challenging to do through XDMCP
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| 14:03 | <brich> Something for later, I presume.
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> the server-side scripts leave a lot of room for sharing code between distros. the init scripts currently need to be rewritten to make more code sharing possible.
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| 14:04 | the init scripts are in debian/*init
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| 14:04 | just to give you an idea of what they do ...
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| 14:04 | <brich> you really read my mind!
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| 14:04 | Where is debian init?
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 14:04 | <brich> Can you refer to the scripts on the web?
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| 14:05 | Do you mean:
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> i don't know of a browseable location at the moment.
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| 14:05 | <brich> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/mainline/server/plugins/common/
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> yes, that's the plugin infrastructure.
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| 14:05 | * vagrantc wonders how current that URL is, though ... | |
| 14:06 | <vagrantc> definitely old ... i know some of that code was updated in the last two months.
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| 14:06 | brich: i really would recommend downloading a branch with bzr.
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| 14:06 | <brich> Hmm...
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> brich: i don't think there's any up-to-date web-viewable repositories.
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| 14:07 | <brich> understand.
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| 14:07 | That's a pity btw.
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> it's not very big.
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| 14:07 | i suppose it wouldn't be hard to set up a cron job to do daily updates ...
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| 14:07 | <brich> But it is different, and I never used bzr. Again something new to learn.
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> and publish to the web ...
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| 14:08 | <brich> Where are the plugins used for?
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> bzr is pretty nice. it has two bugs in it i really hate. and i really wish it had useable support for gpg-signed commits ... but overall i really like it.
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| 14:08 | brich: the plugins are called by ltsp-build-client, which is responsible for building the /opt/ltsp/ARCH chroot(s)
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| 14:09 | <brich> Is there a more detailed description about the ltsp-build-client, how it works?
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> i'm giving it right now. someone logging? :)
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> ltspbot is
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| 14:10 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> hush up, you
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| 14:10 | :)
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| 14:10 | <brich> I'll definately save this, but it is in html
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> brich: essentially, ltsp-build-client calls each of the plugins in alpha-numeric order. it loads all plugins from the "common" plugin directory, and the distro-specific plugin directory (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuSE)
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| 14:12 | brich: if there is a plugin of the same name, the distro-specific plugin is called.
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| 14:12 | <brich> How does it know, on which distro it is running?
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> brich: there are several phases that each plugin is called in...
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| 14:12 | * vagrantc vaguely recalls documenting this somewhere ... | |
| 14:12 | <brich> Is there a config file, or it /etc/*release used?
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> lsb_release is used to determine distro.
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| 14:13 | but other options are possible.
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| 14:13 | <brich> okay
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| 14:13 | * vagrantc looks at server/doc/plugins | |
| 14:14 | <brich> Is the lsb_release called by the client (during its boot). If so the package providing lsb_release
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> commandline: builds the list of commandline arguments supported by the loaded plugins
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| 14:14 | <brich> is to be installed in the chroot /opt/ltsp as well
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| 14:14 | * vagrantc is only talking about ltsp-build-client right now | |
| 14:14 | <vagrantc> configure: sets variables for commandline options that are set
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| 14:15 | before-install: before the initial chroot is built
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| 14:15 | install: where the initial chroot is built (debootstrap, on debian systems)
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| 14:15 | after-install: additional package installation(ltsp-client), tweaks, etc.
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| 14:15 | finalization: the last steps needed, such as installing kernels, copying the kernels and
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| 14:15 | network bootable images into the tftp dir, installing the server's ssh keys
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| 14:15 | into the chroot, etc.
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| 14:16 | brich: at the moment, we don't make use of lsb_release in the chroot, but i would like to move towards using it there.
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| 14:16 | <brich> okay.
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> ok, so that's plugins in a nutshell. :)
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| 14:16 | <brich> about the debian/init scripts. Do you refer to those:
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| 14:16 | etc/init.d/ltsp-client misc/ltsp-client
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| 14:16 | etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup misc/ltsp-client
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 14:17 | <brich> That's taken from ltsp-client client
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 14:17 | <brich> What do I need to start with, from those pkgs:
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> that's where almost all of the client-side configuration comes in....
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| 14:17 | <brich> ldm, ltsp-client, ltsp-client-builder, ltsp-server, ltsp-server-standalone
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> what do you mean by start with?
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| 14:18 | <brich> I have nothing right now on opensuse.
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| 14:18 | So I have to start at zero.
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| 14:18 | I need to start building pkgs.
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| 14:19 | <brich> I would think that ltsp-client and ltsp-server-standalone are suffient, isn't it?
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> i would start by trying to build a chroot using ltsp-server's ltsp-build-client + ltsp-build-client's plugins.
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| 14:19 | <brich> Okay!
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> ltsp-server-standalone does almost nothing.
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| 14:19 | <brich> ah, I see.
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| 14:19 | It procides the dhcpd config file ;)
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| 14:20 | * vagrantc doesn't see why it deserves it's own package. | |
| 14:20 | <brich> Is lts.conf still stored in: /opt/ltsp/i385/etc/lts.conf?
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> by default, there is no lts.conf ... but that drives people crazy so maybe that will change.
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| 14:20 | lts.conf is only needed if you need to do something other than the defaults ...
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| 14:21 | <brich> But when something else is needed, than it is located in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, isn't it?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> brich: once you have built a chroot with a reasonable approximation of the right packages, i'd work on adapting the ltsp-client init.d scripts
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| 14:21 | brich: on i386, yes. :)
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| 14:22 | <brich> Where are the plugins stored, and which debian pkg provides them?
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> ltsp-server provides the ltsp-build-client plugins.
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| 14:22 | they are in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/[common|DISTRO]
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| 14:23 | <brich> Yes I see them know.
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| 14:23 | s/know/now/
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| 14:23 | vagrantc: thanks sofar. for the moment I have enough information to start, I think.
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> feel free to ask questions.
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| 14:24 | <brich> Good information, would be nice to have it available in a wiki.
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> ogra and myself are probably the most experienced with it. sbalneav and dberkholz have also messed with it some.
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| 14:25 | * vagrantc is editing the wiki right now. | |
| 14:26 | <brich> vagrantc: CU, thanks a lot for your help!
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| 14:50 | * vagrantc updated http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp | |
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| 14:52 | <Envite> bye all!
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| 15:12 | * vagrantc is wiki-challenged | |
| 15:12 | <vagrantc> could someone give me a HARD TO USE interface that i can ACTUALLY USE? :)
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| 15:12 | <brich> vagrantc: I just printed the updated ltsp5 wiki page, thanks for updating!
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> more updates on the way
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| 15:14 | i think i'm done fighting with wiki for the day.
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| 15:23 | * vagrantc could not figure out bulletts | |
| 15:24 | * vagrantc wonders if Ltsp5 shouldn't be more prominent on the main wiki.ltsp.org page | |
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| 15:48 | <brich> vagrantrc: where can I obtain the packages: ltspfsd getltscfg lp_server ltspinfod
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| 15:48 | can you link to them?
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| 15:49 | About:
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| 15:49 | "a good first step is to gain an understanding of server/ltsp-build-client. this is the tool used to generate your /opt/ltsp/i386 (or other arch) chroot."
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> i can find some info about ltspfs, getltscfg is included in the bzr repository, lp_server was included in the bzr repository, but should be removed for unclear licensing, no idea with ltspinfod
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| 15:50 | <brich> Is the /opt/ltsp/arch chroot build each time the client boots, or just once when the server is installed
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> just once
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| 15:50 | it is what is exported over NFS
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| 15:50 | <brich> Can you add that information to the wiki?
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> i can try ...
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| 15:51 | <brich> I guess other people reading your info, might have the same question(s)
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| 15:51 | <BilboFett> I'm looking for a general server log?
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages?
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| 15:51 | <BilboFett> hmm
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| 15:52 | <brich> How is the /opt/ltsp kept in synch with than? I mean when the distro packages get updated , how is the /opt/ltsp/arch
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| 15:52 | chroot updated?
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| 15:52 | <BilboFett> my district is req "the server log" so they can try to find out why it ran so badly yesterday
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> brich: yes, you would need to update the chroot
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| 15:52 | <BilboFett> my server isn't load balancing, isn't closing processes when done, lots of things
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| 15:52 | <brich> But how?
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| 15:52 | <BilboFett> they said "send us the log"
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> brich: on debian: chroot /opt/ltsp/ARCH apt-get update ; chroot /opt/ltsp/ARCH apt-get upgrade
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| 15:52 | <brich> vagrantc: okay
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| 15:53 | vagrantc on opensuse it is the same, as apt is available for opensuse as well :))
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> ah, nice.
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| 15:55 | brich: i often configure a cron job to download the packages for me regularly.
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| 15:55 | <brich> vagrantc: I'm the apt pkg maintainer for opensuse:))
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> i know almost nothing about opensuse
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| 15:57 | <brich> vagrantc: in opensuse I added an option (/etc/sysconfig/...) to yast to configure such automatic update mechanism :)
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| 15:58 | <BilboFett> vagrant I have messages, messages.1 .2 .3 .4 ?
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| 15:59 | theres nothing under /var/log/syslog
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> BilboFett: the .N ones are older ones- probably from previous days.
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| 15:59 | <BilboFett> ok cool
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| 16:00 | so send em "messages" I guess
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| 16:00 | ?
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| 16:19 | <brich> vgrantc: thanks to your updated wiki page, I have just checked out ltsp from bzr
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| 16:19 | But there is ltspfs there, see:
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| 16:19 | find client COPYING debian po server | grep -E "ltspfs|getltscfg|lp_server|Makefile"
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| 16:19 | client/getltscfg
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| 16:19 | client/getltscfg/Makefile
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| 16:19 | client/getltscfg/lexer.l
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| 16:19 | client/getltscfg/parser.y
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| 16:19 | client/getltscfg/lts.conf
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| 16:19 | client/getltscfg/COPYING
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| 16:19 | client/getltscfg/getltscfg.1
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| 16:19 | client/getltscfg/getltscfg.c
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| 16:19 | client/getltscfg/getltscfg.h
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| 16:19 | po/Makefile
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| 16:20 | What about Makefiles? Shouldn't there be more Makefiles to have the files installed, perhaps with a configure script?
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> brich: yes, ltspfs is a separate project.
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| 16:30 | brich: and sadly, it's scattered across the 4 corners of the earth.
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| 16:31 | <brich> Why is it so scattered?
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/ltspfs
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| 16:31 | that's your more consolidated version.
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| 16:32 | <brich> Can you add that to the wiki as well?
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> i don't know what to add.
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| 16:33 | there's numerous bzr branches, all in various states of our of sync, and no real publicly available tarball.
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| 16:33 | <brich> The url, so others could use that to download.
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| 16:33 | Or add that ltspfs has:
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| 16:33 | there's numerous bzr branches, all in various states of our of sync, and no real publicly available tarball.
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> i don't even know where you're suggesting to add it.
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| 16:34 | <brich> and needs to be organized, before others can make use of it...
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> if you want something done, do it yourself :P
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| 16:34 | that's the point of the wiki, no?
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| 16:35 | <brich> Yes, I want. But what I want to do is to add ltsp5 to suse. For that I need information, you have given a lot
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| 16:35 | and need to do again, if the information is not available. I do a lot already!!
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| 16:36 | The point of a wiki is to add information, I don't have that information or at least I did not have it more than
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| 16:36 | 2 minutes ago!
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> and i have little better information than you.
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| 16:37 | frankly, i'm very frustrated with ltspfs right now, for a variety of reasons, including the unclearness of a source of upstream.
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| 16:37 | that's also a problem with ltsp5, but not nearly as bad.
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| 16:38 | <brich> vagrantc: I see your point of frustration now!
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> i'm also just now uncovering some bugs for debian/etch ltsp, shortly before a release...
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| 16:40 | which is probably adding to my ambient frustration...
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| 16:41 | <brich> vagrantc: my frustation at the moment is that I can't login to the wiki, and the wiki does not seem to be able to send my password :(
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> ah yes, having to work with a wiki at all also drastically increases my frustrations. :)
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| 16:42 | i wish there were more wiki*fs filesystems.
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| 16:42 | <brich> I don't twiki, but working with mediawiki is very nice actually.
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> or ikiwiki, which can use a subversion backend.
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| 16:44 | there was a commandline client for mediawiki i used for a while that worked decently. but the upstream makes it hard to package by making major code changes without any mention of it anywhere.
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| 16:46 | <brich> Who could clear up the air around ltspfs? Would it possible to obtain a synergy there?
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> sbalneav and ogra are the main ones who've worked on it.
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| 16:48 | <brich> Do you know, why ltspfs is not stored in bzr e.g.?
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> but in order to get more distros to integrate ltsp and related software, we need a more coherrent vision of "This Is Upstream".
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| 16:48 | oh, it's stored in bzr. but not all of it.
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| 16:49 | <brich> I understand, but who is the current owner of ltspfs isn't that sbalneav
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> we've also got branches for ltspfs-upstream, minus all the debian bits, and several different "debian" directories, all by different people.
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| 16:50 | this is part of the problem with a decentralized revision control system. everyone has their own branch, and nobody's is current with the software that's actually released.
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| 16:51 | essentially, we're all upstream. :)
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| 16:51 | <brich> There should still be someone taking the decision to take this or that code to be put in a distro...
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| 16:51 | This makes it impossible for other distro's to include ltsp, I think.
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> i've done most of the work for debian's ltsp packages, and ogra's done most of the work for ubuntu's ltsp packages. and that's about all we've seen.
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| 16:52 | <brich> It should at least be clear where the upstream project is located...
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> for ltspfs, basically the closest thing to upstream is the tarball released by ubuntu.
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| 16:53 | and it moves the way ubuntu needs it to move.
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| 16:56 | <brich> okay
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| 16:59 | vgrantrc: do you know where ltspinfod can be obtained?
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> maybe try to rip it out of the LBE cvs?
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| 17:00 | i don't think we've messed with it for debian or ubuntu.
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| 17:01 | <brich> I don't understand this... This way it is very very hard to integrate ltsp5 in another distribution.
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| 17:01 | Would it possible to have all code consolidated on 1 place? Whether it is bzr or the LBE cvs?
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> ltspinfod is probably not the most important thing.
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| 17:02 | <brich> I know, but ...
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| 17:02 | but what?
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> think of ltspinfod as more of a goal, as nobody else has implemented it yet.
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| 17:02 | <brich> Ah, okay.
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> eventually, it will probably be ripped out of LBE cvs and imported into the bzr branches, would be my guess.
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| 17:02 | that's what happened with getltscfg
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| 17:02 | <brich> It would be good in that case to do not mention it on wikipage!
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> but getltscfg was more crucial, so it happened very early on.
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| 17:03 | i didn't write the top half of that wiki page :P
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| 17:03 | <brich> Is it okay to remove it?
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| 17:03 | Do you know what is meant with:
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| 17:04 | "Install LTSP supplied packages into the tree" (item 2 on that same page).
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| 17:04 | I would think that it should not be stating pkgs, but scripts/executables isn't it?
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> well, ltsp 5 is essentially an implementation. the more of it you implement, the better. it's still under development.
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| 17:08 | <brich> vagrantc: updated the top half of http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> anyone with more twiki-fu than i want to touch up http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 17:25 | ?
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| 18:35 | <LordVorp> I came in here to ask about boot-disks for non-rom ethernet cards. then I realized that rom-o-matic did that. then I was about to ask again because my boot disk wouldn't work... but I tried another computer and it worked perfectly.
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| 18:35 | LTSP ROCKS!
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 18:35 | there's also a cool floppy that does etherboot for many different ethernet cards: http://etherboot.anadex.de/
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| 18:36 | <LordVorp> thx! I'll check it out
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| 20:16 | <LordVorp> SUH-WEET. P-166 w/ 32mb of ram and no HD booting as X thin client to my server in the other room.
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| 21:23 | <LordVorp> well, knowing it can be done and actually getting it to work are, of course, two different things :)
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| 21:24 | just like, getting it to work with VMWare and getting it to work on a piece of actual hardware are two different things.
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> ah yes. for long stretches of time i have only had virtual thin-clients.
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| 22:01 | it's very nice to have the real deal again.
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| 22:42 | <PMantis> !seen jammcq
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| 22:42 | <ltspbot> PMantis: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <jammcq> howdie
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| 22:46 | <vagrantc> whoah.
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