IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:24 | <ace_suares> hi all !
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| 01:25 | I run in a bit of trouble with ssh -X and since that is (I think) used in ltsp a lot, i might try and ask a couple of questions here... if there is still someone around.
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| 01:26 | what can make a session via ssh -X suddenluyu disappear ?
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| 01:26 | I have a non-free program that I try to run over ssh -X and it just vanishes halfway program startup.
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| 01:26 | all othere apps that I start that way, work fine.
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| 01:27 | I just have no idea where to start debugging that
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| 01:27 | <ace_suares> oh I guess everyone is sleeping :-)
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| 01:39 | <Ryan52> ace_suares: what happens on the command line? any output?
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| 01:40 | ace_suares: if you run 'ssh -X -vvv host program' what happens? Any useful debugging info?
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| 01:49 | <ace_suares> hi !
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| 01:49 | Ryan52: I can't really grasp the output of -vvv
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| 01:49 | Ryan52: but I can pastebin if you want
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| 01:50 | <Ryan52> go for it.
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| 01:54 | <ace_suares> http://pastebin.com/d34e64dcb
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| 01:54 | I took everything after authentication.
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| 01:54 | first is run aterm,
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| 01:55 | then from aterm i start 'win'
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| 01:55 | that command creates a new window, but halfway startup it disppears (I think becuasue the underlying 'win' program encounters soem problem and goes away)
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| 01:55 | aterm is then still working, and then i close that too.
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| 01:56 | Fact is, when I try the same command WITHING the guest OS, it works fine.
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| 01:56 | I had a quite similar problem when trying to use freenx.
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| 01:56 | it's just this app that does this. But how can I find why ????
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| 01:57 | <Ryan52> well, I dunno...maybe you should ask in a more appropriate channel where there are actually people :D
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| 01:57 | <ace_suares> and what reason can an app have to stop working over ssh -X one time, and antoer time not ???
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| 01:57 | <Ryan52> it's probably the app's fault
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| 01:57 | can you sit at the ssh server and use the app?
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| 01:57 | <ace_suares> yeah it probably is. But what is the diffenrece between ssh -X from inside the guiest OS and from outside?
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| 01:58 | it is ports ? is it env variables ? what can it be!
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| 01:58 | 64bit vs 32 bit ?
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| 01:59 | <Ryan52> idk. try asking in your distro's channel.
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| 02:04 | <ace_suares> thanks anyway!
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| 04:10 | <Mathis_> hello
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| 04:15 | <psycodad> moin
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| 04:16 | <Mathis_> anyone tried creating a build-server system using LTSP ?
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| 04:16 | distributed build-server system
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| 04:16 | <psycodad> are there known problems serving the nfs-root with the nfs-user-server or is it worth a try ?
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| 04:22 | <stgraber> psycodad: should work, but it's a lot slower than nbd+squashfs
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| 04:22 | Mathis_: I never heard of someone trying it but I don't see where the problem would be to create one.
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| 04:23 | Mathis_: all you need is to find the right software for it and install it in the LTSP chroot
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| 04:23 | <Mathis_> well, my nodes are screen/keyboard-less
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| 04:23 | <psycodad> stgraber: thx, i can't use nfs-kernel-server since i try to install ltsp within 2 vservers (boot and dm part on different machines)
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| 04:24 | linux-vservers, that is..
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| 04:25 | <stgraber> psycodad: nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server should work in exactly the same way, I'd just suspect -user-server to be a bit slower or taking more CPU resources
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| 04:25 | Mathis_: won't be a problem as long as the BIOS doesn't fail to boot without a keyboard
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| 04:25 | <Mathis_> it doesnt, already tested it
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| 04:25 | <stgraber> Mathis_: all you need is the right daemon in /etc/init.d/ that'll start at boot time
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| 04:25 | <Mathis_> thanks
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| 04:26 | I hope I can mix x64 and x32 machines
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| 04:28 | <psycodad> stgraber: according to the vserver faq "It's not posible to run a NFS-kernel server inside a vserver, to work securely this would need a lot of work." therefor i'd rather try first with the user-space server. Thx so far, I already got it going almost meanwhile... ;)
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| 04:29 | <stgraber> Mathis_: if your server is x64 that should be easy, otherwise you'll need to build the x64 chroot on another computer then copy it to the server
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| 04:29 | Mathis_: you'll need some DHCP magic to have the clients boot using the right kernel and initrd though
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| 04:29 | <Mathis_> the nodes will be x32 only
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| 04:29 | <stgraber> ok, so no problem
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| 04:30 | <Mathis_> thought there might raise a problem using x64 as server, since its not mentioned (or I havent seen this yet)
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| 04:32 | <stgraber> that's x86_64 right ? no ia64 or powerpc64 or any other weird thing ?
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| 04:32 | <Mathis_> right
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| 04:33 | <stgraber> ok, so just build the chroot with: ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 04:38 | <Mathis_> I will remember that, thanks
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| 05:04 | <Mathis_> I could also just use one of the pre-build images ;-)
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| 05:54 | whats the default root password in an LTSP client?
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| 05:55 | <Mathis_> ah, "linux"
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| 06:02 | <cyberorg> Mathis_, using kiwi-ltsp?
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| 06:02 | <Mathis_> yes
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| 06:02 | works fine
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| 06:02 | <cyberorg> good to know :)
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| 06:02 | <Mathis_> you're the developer of it?
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| 06:03 | <cyberorg> to install stuff in chroot follow the instructions that are given for nvidia/ati drivers
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| 06:04 | what do you want to install inside the chroot?
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| 06:04 | <Mathis_> what about installing additional stuff not included in the distro?
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| 06:04 | icecream
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| 06:04 | <cyberorg> put the rpm packages in extra-rpm folder
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| 06:05 | <Mathis_> and then?
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| 06:05 | <cyberorg> Mathis_, i am very interested in adding that, but now i have to go away for few hours, (F1 raceday), ping me, i am ususally here or in #kiwi
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| 06:05 | <Mathis_> as far as I have seen, you've done a great job, btw
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| 06:05 | <cyberorg> put them in extra-rpm folder and add them to config.xml as mentioned for nvidia
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| 06:06 | /usr/share/kiwi/images/ltsp/suse-11.0/extra-rpms folder
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| 06:06 | <Mathis_> I just had to add several services and TCP ports manually to my firewall (just switching it off is not a good idea btw)
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| 06:07 | <cyberorg> thanks, i wanted to get distributed computing stuff in it for some time now, really happy that you are doing it :)
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| 06:07 | <Mathis_> gonna do it later, need food for now
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| 06:08 | <cyberorg> Mathis_, no harm in switching off firewall for internal network, it can be kept on for external device, but you are right we will add list of services for which firewall ports needs opening
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| 06:09 | <Mathis_> dunno which zone my eth0 is, external or internal, since its a 192.168.0.0 network with some hardware router going into the world-wide net
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| 06:11 | <cyberorg> if you put eth0 to internal zone, firewall is disabled
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| 06:11 | <Mathis_> yeah
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| 06:11 | <cyberorg> btw, just run "kiwi-ltsp-setup" for the list of things you can do
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| 06:11 | <Mathis_> I know, already done that
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| 06:12 | you should put in some parameter -? and --help
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| 06:12 | <cyberorg> ok, ltsp-build-client etc is just wrapper scripts to that command
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| 06:12 | <Mathis_> tried this and didnt do what I expected it to do (most other tools know that param)
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| 06:12 | <cyberorg> Mathis_, yes i must one of these days :)
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| 06:13 | <Mathis_> did you write the docs on en.opensuse.org ?
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| 06:13 | <cyberorg> captain_magnus, is the one who helps me all these stuff, he has been MIA for a long time
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| 06:13 | <Mathis_> the kiwi one
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| 06:14 | <cyberorg> just http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP please improve it with whatever information you feel best
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| 06:14 | <Mathis_> I prefer staying in background ;-)
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| 06:15 | <cyberorg> Mathis_, that is background work ;)
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| 06:16 | <Mathis_> is there documentation about disabling the X server and installing additional packages?
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| 06:19 | <cyberorg> Mathis_, not about disabling Xserver, but you can change lts.conf SCREEN_07=shell
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| 06:20 | adding packages is same as adding nvidia/ati drivers, nothing much to it
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| 06:20 | <Mathis_> well, it would save some RAM space for distributed compiling
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| 06:20 | <cyberorg> yes indeed, currenly SCREEN_07=ldm, just change that
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| 06:21 | <Mathis_> oki, thanks
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| 06:21 | <cyberorg> how much RAM does the client have?
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| 06:21 | <Mathis_> the clients have up to 1GB of RAM
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| 06:21 | <cyberorg> it wont matter much though, i have booted clients with even 64M
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| 06:23 | Mathis_, for internals of kiwi, see /usr/share/doc/packages/kiwi/kiwi.pdf from kiwi-doc package
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| 06:23 | <Mathis_> ah
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| 07:20 | <ace_suares> hi
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| 07:20 | i have a weirdness with ssh -X, if any of you is experienced in this...
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| 07:20 | ltsp is using the same with ldm isn't it ?
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| 07:20 | !seen ogra
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| 07:20 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 14 hours, 26 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <ogra> that took three days ...
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| 07:21 | <ace_suares> !seen jammcq
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| 07:21 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 14 hours, 54 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/HackFest2008
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| 07:22 | <ace_suares> oh wow hackfest...
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| 08:50 | <klausade> anyone know if it's possible to get rsync to tell how much it will actually transfer when I rsync an iso-image, without actually doing it?
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| 09:32 | <beakburke> thanks warren, that update fixed the break with the live cd tools
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| 09:32 | <warren> 5.1.11?
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| 09:32 | <beakburke> yeha
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| 09:32 | I think
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| 09:32 | I'm not at home right now
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| 09:32 | Im doing this over a 1x-RTT cell connection
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| 09:32 | <warren> I've since pushed 5.1.13, which has no visible changes for Fedora 9, but it enables two things:
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| 09:33 | - RHEL5 based server with a Fedora 9 chroot.
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| 09:33 | - Live Server
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| 09:33 | <beakburke> well this I'll definitely test
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| 09:33 | <warren> RHEL5 based server I got working, except it has a few problems: You have to install the chroot elsewhere. I'm just providing a tarball of it for simplicity.
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| 09:34 | <beakburke> I have to boxes (identical) that the final FC 9 intstaller just crashes on
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| 09:34 | <warren> Local Devices (ltspfs) and sound are not working yet.
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| 09:34 | <beakburke> to= two
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| 09:34 | <warren> what kind of boxes?
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| 09:34 | <beakburke> the funny thing is the they worked on FC 9 beta
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| 09:34 | <warren> did you file bugs?
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| 09:35 | what kind of errors?
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| 09:35 | <beakburke> I don't remember, that was a couple months ago
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| 09:35 | I was going to, but I don't remember if I did.
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| 09:35 | Of course I don't have them in front of me now either, so I can' check
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| 09:36 | <warren> I'm not aware of anything known to break the installer
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| 09:36 | <beakburke> not the ltsp installer
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| 09:36 | the actual FC 9 installer
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| 09:37 | Was strange
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| 09:37 | <warren> it failed during the installer or after install?
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| 09:37 | <beakburke> Hence my interest in putting RHEL 5 on them
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| 09:37 | during
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| 09:37 | IIRC
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| 09:38 | <warren> from what I've seen, RHEL5's desktop stuff is so old that it is a bit painful
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| 09:38 | I think I can get sound and local devices working
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| 09:38 | <beakburke> yeah, I would prefer to get FC 9 working
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| 09:39 | but in the mean time, I could test out RHEL 5
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| 09:39 | since FC 9 isn't working right now
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| 09:40 | <jammcq> laprag: hey
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| 09:40 | <warren> Anyhow, I will post about the initial RHEL5 stuff on the list soon.
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| 09:40 | <beakburke> cool, I'll be glad to take it for a spin
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| 09:40 | <warren> and hopefully I can get a live server image built by Tuesday.
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| 09:41 | Wednesday I'm heading over to portland for the LTSP hackfest. I return the following Monday. (so next sunday's meeting is canceled)
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| 09:41 | <beakburke> Is the install going to be the same as the FC 9 install from the wiki
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| 09:42 | <petre> warren: I talked to robark about porting fl_teachertool to k12linux last week
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| 09:42 | he says he's got the new version mostly ready
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| 09:42 | <warren> beakburke: almost, except you untar the chroot instead of ltsp-build-client
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| 09:42 | <beakburke> well that's good news!
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| 09:43 | that's not too bad
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| 09:43 | <warren> petre: please ask him to write to the list when he has something for people to test.
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| 09:43 | <petre> he had installed F9, but was waiting for the repos to actually sync up with with the latest stuff you'd posted
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| 09:43 | will do.
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| 09:44 | <ogra> laprag, !!!!
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| 09:44 | <petre> new version is really cool: thumb nail images of user desktops
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| 09:44 | their number and size scales with the admin's screen resolution
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| 09:44 | * ogra wonders if he might be on the same flight with warren | |
| 09:45 | <ogra> warren, when do you fly out ?
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| 09:45 | * warren checks | |
| 09:46 | <ogra> my flight is at 4:15 or so
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| 09:46 | <jammcq> which day?
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| 09:46 | <ogra> wed.
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| 09:46 | <warren> ogra: Alaska Airlines flight 31, departs 4:15PM
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| 09:46 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:46 | <warren> ogra: I should have took Jetblue instead of Alaska
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| 09:46 | <ogra> thats the one :)
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| 09:47 | why ? is alaska bad ?
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| 09:47 | <jammcq> u2 together?
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| 09:47 | <warren> well, yes.
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| 09:47 | <ogra> ugh
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| 09:47 | <warren> and Jetblue is awesome
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| 09:47 | <jammcq> but netjet is the best :)
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| 09:47 | * ogra usually flies lufthansa | |
| 09:47 | <jammcq> but the ticket would be something like $60k
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| 09:48 | <warren> jammcq: you have personal experience? =)
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| 09:48 | <ogra> if i had known mark goes to oscon from boston i'd have asekd him for a seat on the jet
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| 09:48 | <warren> Alaska was like $150 cheaper
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| 09:48 | <jammcq> I checked the price once
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| 09:48 | that's as close as i've gotten
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| 09:49 | <warren> I wonder if my new CEO flies coach.
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| 09:49 | Our old CEO flew coach.
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| 09:49 | <ogra> but he's rather spontaenous with his flights, so not easy predictable
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| 09:49 | mark isnt our CEO
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| 09:49 | <beakburke> didn't he used to work for an airline?
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| 09:49 | <jammcq> you have a new ceo?
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| 09:49 | <ogra> he's just employee
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| 09:50 | (indeed the most powerful one :P )
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| 09:50 | <jammcq> ogra: who's the ceo, Jane ?
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| 09:50 | <ogra> yep
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| 09:50 | <warren> jammcq: as of January
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| 09:51 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 09:51 | <warren> so "new"
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| 09:51 | <jammcq> one of the things I liked about Szulik was how he didn't have an office in NC. he had a cubical, like everyone else
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| 09:51 | <warren> He was the CTO at Delta Airlines and helped bring it out of bankruptcy (and promptly left before the current energy crisis)
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| 09:52 | oops, he was COO
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| 09:53 | <jammcq> so what time do you guys arrive in portland? I'll update the wiki
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| 09:53 | <ogra> 7:30
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| 09:53 | (:35 to be precise)
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| 09:54 | <warren> ogra: I wouldn't be precise with Alaska =)
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| 09:54 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:54 | <warren> better answer: "Sometime in the evening"
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| 09:54 | <ogra> i dont really care, as long as i can get out of waltham
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| 09:54 | its a quite boring place
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| 09:54 | <warren> boring is all in your head
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| 09:55 | beakburke: petre: anything to report or any questions? otherwise we're done.
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| 09:55 | jammcq: hey I hear you play guitar too? I recently began taking lessons. I bought a classical guitar for now.
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| 09:56 | <beakburke> not on my end, not until I try the new RHEL package and try the LTSP 9 installer on those uncooperative machines
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> warren: yeah, I try. had lessons for many years, but it really hasn't "clicked" for me
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| 09:56 | <beakburke> see you later
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> some people, like eHarrison pick that stuff up really quickly
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| 09:58 | <warren> jammcq: I studied classical woodwind for many years, so this is a bit different for me, but i'm learning quickly.
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| 09:59 | jammcq: I'm inspired by the many videos of people playing their own arrangements of video game songs on youtube. I want to get good enough to play on youtube.
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| 09:59 | then I have no goals left in life.
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| 10:00 | <laga> make sure to uncheck "allow comments"
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| 10:00 | <warren> haha
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| 10:02 | <laga> i'm not talking about your guitar skills, but about the amount of.. people youtube attracts ;)
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| 10:07 | <warren> http://youtube.com/watch?v=OGC1SQHDl6g this is my current favorite, but it will be a while before I can play this.
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| 10:08 | * laga hits F5 a few times | |
| 10:08 | <laga> i love adobe
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| 10:13 | <jammcq> I'll talk to ya'll later. being called away for breakfast
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| 10:13 | <laga> warren: pretty good video
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| 10:13 | <laga> i've also got an old guitar somewhere, but i just lack skill :(
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| 10:22 | <ace_suares> hi
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| 10:24 | i am stucj with an ssh -X problem. It's not 100% ltsp but it's related.
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| 10:24 | any hints woudl be appreciated
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| 10:25 | the thing is, on the guest OS I can ssh -X and start a certain app, and everythin is fine.
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| 10:25 | if I try the same from the host OS, the app crashes. Other apps (like xterm) work fine.
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| 10:26 | It's probably something to do with environment. but where do I look to solve this problem ?
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| 10:30 | <psycodad> hello, i try to use SCREEN_05=startx -query 10.0.0.100 with ltsp5 on debian, i get the login window from 10.0.0.100 and can also use the mouse but i cant type. What am I doing wrong ? Logging in via xnest works fine to 10.0.0.100
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| 13:28 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 13:28 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 3 hours, 33 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <ogra> its a quite boring place
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| 13:28 | <ace_suares> !seen jammcq
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| 13:28 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <jammcq> I'll talk to ya'll later. being called away for breakfast
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| 13:28 | <ace_suares> hi jammcq, ogra
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| 16:35 | <Pascal_1> bonne soirée à tous
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| 18:54 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 18:54 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 9 hours and 0 seconds ago: <ogra> its a quite boring place
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