IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 May 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:51 | <alkisg_android> vagrantc, re: fake_hwclock, ltsp clients cant use that as they dont have a local file to store the time
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| 03:52 | thats precisely a good reason to do something in a ltsp specific way
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| 03:53 | we have a server but not a local file system....
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| 03:53 | <vagrantc> alkisg_android: but fake-hwclock will at least set the clock to the installation time
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| 03:53 | <alkisg_android> not good enough fsck will fail
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| 03:53 | <vagrantc> where is fsck used?
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| 03:54 | <alkisg_android> and certificates will be invalid
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| 03:54 | if the client happens to have a local hd or sd card
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| 03:55 | ntpdate takes too long to sync because it needs to wait until net up
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| 03:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg_android: timesyncd should happen soon enough for all of that
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| 03:56 | <alkisg_android> so it happens after ldm loads
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| 03:56 | i dont know if systemd does it better
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| 03:56 | any reason not to trust the server and do it with 1 line at init-ltsp.d?
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| 03:57 | <vagrantc> so my only concern is fighting with ntpd/timesyncd or something by messing with the time
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| 03:57 | ok, init-ltsp.d could make sense, or even in the initramfs
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| 03:57 | <alkisg_android> time deamons are loaded after init ltsp.d
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| 03:57 | <vagrantc> right
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| 03:57 | <alkisg_android> cool
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| 03:58 | <vagrantc> so our hook can get it in the ballpark and then the sync daemons should do the rest
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| 03:58 | <alkisg_android> right
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| 03:58 | * vagrantc saw nbd got support for copy-on-write dirs | |
| 04:02 | <alkisg_android> link?
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| 04:03 | btw overlay's workdir also affects our cleanup.d
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| 04:03 | no maybe ltsp-pnp doesnt work in jessie?
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| 04:04 | so
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| 04:08 | and for some reason ubuntu still calls it overlayfs so our scripts should check that too
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| 04:42 | <alkisg> vagrantc: a user asked to have the date at the ldm login screen, I'll commit it upstream if you don't mind...
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| 04:44 | Maybe an LDM_DATE_FORMAT lts.conf variable which defaults to just time?
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| 04:46 | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/strftime
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| 04:48 | Ah we have LDM_12HOURCLOCK now, the DATE_FORMAT will be able to deprecate this...
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| 04:59 | Maybe LDM_CLOCK_FORMAT or LDM_TIME_FORMAT instead of LDM_DATE_FORMAT
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| 04:59 | OK implementing it...
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| 05:53 | <vagrantc> ltsp-pnp should work in jessie, but once the 4.0 kernel hits stretch it won't work there
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| 05:53 | the only code i modified to support "overlay" also still supports "overlayfs"
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| 05:54 | alkisg: regarding NBD cowdir support: https://tracker.debian.org/news/685147
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| 05:57 | whatever date information should be in UTC ... maybe even just date +%s
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| 05:58 | and then the formatting should just be adjusted appropriately
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| 05:58 | * vagrantc hopes alkisg reads the logs... | |
| 05:58 | * vagrantc always thought the 12HOURCLOCK format was stupid | |
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| 07:36 | <work_alkisg> vagrantc, about overlayfs, the problem is that in your code, you're assuming "overlayfs" needs the "old style parameters, without workdir",
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| 07:36 | and "overlayfs" needs the "new style parameters, with workdir"
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> In Ubuntu that's no longer true, as "overlayfs" now needs the "new style parameters, with workdir"
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| 07:37 | So your code only supports overlayfs for older Ubuntu versions
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| 07:38 | In another project (lxc) they say "just try to load with workdir first, and if it fails, try without workdir): https://lists.linuxcontainers.org/pipermail/lxc-devel/2014-October/010686.html
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| 07:39 | Committed LDM_CLOCK_FORMAT in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/revision/1576
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| 07:40 | * alkisg thinks http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/revision/1569 and the previous commits made LDM delay for an additional 10 seconds when the user enters a wrong password... | |
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> Ah, cowdir was implemented at https://github.com/yoe/nbd/commit/fa01bd6d6de646ccf49dfd1aa10a4a8a11b2553f
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| 08:49 | Cool, it saves us from having to create a symlink
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> !socat
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| 13:53 | <ltsp`> socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500; apt-get install socat; socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] apt-get install socat screen; socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:REMOTE-IP:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 14:08 | <gp> Is there any way to set initial volume level to 0 for every login?
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| 14:30 | <raphr> Hi. Back in my last week issue about SCREEN_02=shell not working for Debian jessie.
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| 14:31 | by investigating there's a diff beween ltsp-client-core and ltsp-client.
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| 14:32 | it works with ltsp-client meta package but not ltsp-client-core
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| 14:32 | TRying to find which package missing.
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc tested it and he reported it worked fine
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| 14:50 | raphr: You're supposed to have ltsp-client installed, not just ltsp-client-core
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| 14:52 | <raphr> alkisg: thanks reporting to vagrantc. As I was unsure about bug didn't file it.
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| 14:56 | anyway. Just adding ldm package with ltsp-client-core is working.
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| 14:57 | <raphr> In Wheezy , to have ltsp shell only ltsp-client-core was necessary
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| 14:58 | needed
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> You would mention that in the bug report :)
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| 15:00 | Or, try to come to IRC about 8 hours later, vagrantc might be here then
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| 15:10 | <raphr> alkisg: OK thanks. I check with a new ltsp-buid-client
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| 15:21 | <raphr> I've found the missing package.
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| 15:22 | ltsp-client-core + dbus = working SCREEN_02=shell config
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> so ltsp-client-core needs a dependency on dbus to have SCREEN_02=shell in jessie?
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| 15:25 | That sounds strange, maybe vagrantc knows more
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> hm.
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| 15:30 | <raphr> yes. Quite strange. I think it adds sort of systemd backward compatibility
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| 15:33 | without dbus it works but getty takes over the console just after.
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> i can confirm
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| 15:34 | raphr: could you please file a bug report in debian about this?
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| 15:35 | <raphr> vagrantc: OK
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> when i removed dbus, it also removed: dbus* libpam-systemd* policykit-1*
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| 15:37 | but simply installing dbus "fixed" the issue
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| 15:38 | <raphr> which severity ?
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> important
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| 15:39 | <raphr> OK
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| 15:47 | <andyc__> test
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| 15:55 | * vagrantc wonders what the conditions of a successful or failed test are | |
| 15:56 | <andyc__> :)
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> !socat | echo andyc__:
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| 16:01 | <ltsp`> andyc__: socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500; apt-get install socat; socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] apt-get install socat screen; socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:REMOTE-IP:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 16:20 | * raphr has emailed the bug report | |
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: did y'all settle on dates for the LTSP-BTS ?
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| 17:09 | raphr: thanks for the bug report. will make it easier to track and not let slip through the cracks
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| 20:27 | <ravi> when i run ltsp-build-client command, it downloads all files from network..there is network issue in my area...is it possible to install it using ubuntu iso installation file
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| 20:28 | <vagrantc> as long as the ISO contains all the necessary packages, yes.
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| 20:28 | ravi: ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///media/cdrom --accept-unsigned-packages ... i think that should work
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| 20:29 | <ravi> okk..
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> maybe also --security-mirror none and --updates-mirror none
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| 20:29 | with the CD mounted on /media/cdrom
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| 20:29 | <ravi> ok
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> good luck
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| 20:30 | <ravi> thanks
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 20:37 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> You can also do that ^ :)
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| 20:37 | It doesn't build a chroot...
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| 20:37 | ravi: ^
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| 20:37 | <ravi> ok
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| 20:40 | <vagrantc> oh yeah, ltsp-pnp ...
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| 20:40 | despite seeing that as one of the best innovations in LTSP in many many years, i forget to mention it :)
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| 20:41 | <ravi> yeah this seems good..let me try this...thank <alkisg>, <vagrant>
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