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Channel log from 5 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:12 | <antgel_> hey all. just testing a new ltsp install using debian lenny. clients are coming up at 1280x768 rather than the 1280x1024 that i know these 17" monitors are capable of
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| 09:13 | xrandr doesn't offer the 1280x1024 resolution, not sure if it's an EDID problem
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> yeah, probably
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| 09:16 | <antgel_> have added XRANDR_DISABLE=True and X_MODE_0=1280x1024 to lts.conf, but no dice
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| 09:16 | how can i debug this further?
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| 09:17 | as an aside, i run into more EDID problems than all other X problems put together
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> might want to try providing a custom xorg.conf for them
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| 09:17 | <antgel_> sbalneav, you mean with custom modeline?
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> I think it's X_CONF=, but the docs will have it for sure
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| 09:17 | <johnny> it makes me cry that we still have to do that in any case :(
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 09:17 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> yeah, with a custom modeline.
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| 09:17 | <antgel_> sbalneav, yes, i'm reading the PDF as i speak :)
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| 09:17 | johnny, what?
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> as X gets more and more "automatic", it gets tougher and tougher to make it do what you want :)
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| 09:18 | <johnny> use custom xorg.conf or anything X_*
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| 09:18 | sbalneav, but generally it has gotten pretty good imo
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> Oh, sure.
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| 09:18 | 95% of the time it works great
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| 09:18 | <johnny> sbalneav, think of all the time lost between last decent release of xfree86 and xorg :(
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> but handling the 5% gets tougher :)
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| 09:19 | <antgel_> johnny, tell me about it. whisper it quietly but i bet if i plugged these screens into a windows machine they'd come up at 1280x1024 automagically
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| 09:19 | * antgel_ runs | |
| 09:19 | <johnny> antgel_, getting closer ..
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| 09:19 | <antgel_> very well, i'll try a custom modeline
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| 09:19 | <johnny> most of the time that's how it works on linux too :)
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| 09:19 | even for for the widescreen oddities resolution..
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> antgel_: that's easy then, buy your windows licenses and ditch this linux cr*p :)
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| 09:19 | <antgel_> johnny, my mileage differs on a variety of hardware
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| 09:20 | sbalneav, yeah right
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| 09:20 | <johnny> one one of my terminals i used to have to provide a special color line just for one specific instance of an intel graphics chip..but no more..
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| 09:21 | <antgel_> maybe i could use XRANDR_NEWMODE_01 etc?
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| 09:26 | <alkisg> antgel_: what driver do you use/
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| 09:26 | ?
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| 09:27 | posting xorg.log to pastebin would help...
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| 09:27 | <antgel_> alkisg, hmm, haven't changed anything from the default, and don't even know what hardware's in these machines
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| 09:27 | <johnny> antgel_, the default is to generate one for each machine
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| 09:28 | you can actually get the generated conf if you go to the console
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> E.g. if the driver is using the vesa modelines, then it might not support this mode
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| 09:28 | <antgel_> alkisg, hmm, i'd like to see it myself, is it going to reside on the server or the client
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| 09:28 | <johnny> client
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| 09:29 | <alkisg> To get a shell on the client to look into this, you can put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.con
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| 09:29 | *lts.conf
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| 09:29 | <antgel_> that's what i thought, but then i couldn't work out how to login
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| 09:29 | ah, that helps Z)
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| 09:29 | :) even
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| 09:29 | <-- using a uk rather than his normal dvorak layout
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> [Default]
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| 09:30 | SCREEN_02=shell
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| 09:30 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 09:30 | ^^ that goes to lts.conf
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| 09:30 | <johnny> have people considered removing the need for [default]
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| 09:30 | <antgel_> alkisg, i got you first time, thanks, trying it now
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| 09:31 | <johnny> and just keep parsing til the first []
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| 09:31 | as a machine..
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> Yeah it'd be nice if whatever was outside the sections was considered as a [default] section too...
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| 09:33 | I think I can send a grammar patch if you want
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| 09:33 | <johnny> it's not up to me..
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| 09:33 | ask scott and vagrantc what they think
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| 09:33 | <alkisg> (even thought I never got an answer about the one that accepted an empty lts.conf as valid... :()
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| 09:33 | <johnny> alkisg, bug them again :)
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| 09:34 | it makes sense
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> Nah, I wanna bug them for the shutdown/reboot thing now, it's more important :D
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| 09:34 | <johnny> you can bug them for multiple things..
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| 09:34 | hehe
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> sbalneav: ^^ :P :D
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| 09:38 | <antgel_> hmm, i added SCREEN_02=shell to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, but it made no difference. and my XRANDR_ statements didn't, even with a modeline i'd verified from the shell
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| 09:38 | <johnny> not the right place
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| 09:38 | <antgel_> oops
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| 09:38 | <johnny> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 09:38 | the one in the chroot requires an image rebuild..
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| 09:39 | <antgel_> ah. i did locate lts.conf to find it. *blush*
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| 09:41 | johnny, didn't work any better. could swear client displays some message about lts.conf but it flies by and ldm starts up :(
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| 09:42 | <johnny> that would mean it can't parse probably.. sure you have the syntax right?
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| 09:42 | you need the [default]
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| 09:42 | <antgel_> will pastebin
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| 09:45 | http://pastebin.ca/1703123
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| 09:46 | hmm, just saw the error as i rebooted client, syntax error on line 10
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| 09:46 | wow, this pdf manual is really detailed, i don't think it existed last time i did a ltsp install
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| 09:47 | <johnny> remove the commends at the top
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| 09:47 | and the indenting
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| 09:47 | comments and blank line
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| 09:49 | <antgel_> *still* says syntax error on line 10
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| 09:50 | <squarepeg> antgel_, that is the work of the balneavmeister
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| 09:51 | <johnny> antgel_, repaste ..
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| 09:54 | i aso don't think the quoting here is wrong
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| 09:54 | XRANDR_NEWMODE_01="1280x1024_60.00" 108.88 1280 1360 1496 1712 1024 1025 1028 1060 -HSync +Vsync
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| 09:54 | i could be wrong tho
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| 09:54 | but i don't think you can do = "stuff" more stuff
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| 09:55 | only = "stuff"
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| 09:55 | <antgel_> with http://pastebin.ca/1703139 it doesn't give the syntax error with lts.conf on line 10, but it also doesn't do anything i ask it to
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| 09:55 | johnny, i'll remove the quotes
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| 09:55 | <johnny> ctrl + alt + f2 has no shell?
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| 09:55 | i don't think you should
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| 09:55 | <antgel_> i don't even get the shell on screen 2
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| 09:55 | <johnny> just put the quotes at beginning and end
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| 09:56 | can you ltsp-localapps xterm ?
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| 09:56 | run that command i mean
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| 09:56 | on the client that is
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| 09:56 | or ltsp-localapp xterm
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| 09:56 | /me forgots..
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 09:57 | <johnny> i was right then
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| 09:57 | good thing we have you around alkis
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 09:57 | <johnny> /me pokes antgel_
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> antgel_: so, sit on the client, open gnome-terminal, run `ltsp-localapps xterm`, and then `getltscfg -a`
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| 09:58 | <antgel_> before i do that - there are warning at the top of screen 2, i'll type them
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| 09:58 | (client is a few metres away ;))
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> Well, come to irc from this client then :D
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| 09:58 | <johnny> antgel_, that's why i like to install ssh on them for development :)
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| 09:58 | sshd that is..
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> sudo nc server port -c "echo connected; /bin/bash 2>&1" ==> instant sshd ;)
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| 09:59 | ...and nc -l -p $port on the server...
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| 09:59 | <johnny> more like instant telnet :)
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| 09:59 | or rather
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| 09:59 | instant rsh
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| 10:00 | <antgel_> something like W: main.c: (setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE 31, 31 failed (operation not permitted)
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> Right - but hey, it's convinient for support!
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| 10:00 | <johnny> ah.. that's not a bug antgel_
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| 10:00 | it's from pulse audio
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| 10:00 | it just should hide that warning better
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| 10:00 | <antgel_> so it's nothing to do with why my shell doesn't appear
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| 10:00 | <johnny> nope
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| 10:01 | <antgel_> i'll try the ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 10:01 | <johnny> and the getltscfg -a
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| 10:01 | that tries to parse it
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| 10:01 | so you'll know when it's right..
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| 10:01 | it's snowin..
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| 10:02 | <antgel_> ltsp-localapps: command not found
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| 10:03 | getltscfg: command not found
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| 10:03 | * antgel_ starts to panic | |
| 10:04 | <antgel_> johnny, where are you? london is relatively ok at the moment
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| 10:04 | <johnny> what version is that? did i miss it
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| 10:04 | antgel_, baltimore, maryland, usa
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| 10:04 | <antgel_> whatever comes with debian lenny
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| 10:04 | <johnny> /me doesn't know
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| 10:04 | <antgel_> 5 point...
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| 10:04 | <johnny> !ver
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| 10:04 | <ltspbot> johnny: "ver" :: to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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| 10:04 | <johnny> could be that your version is too old
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| 10:05 | <antgel_> 5.1.10-2
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| 10:05 | <johnny> sbalneav, ever heard of "ack"
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| 10:05 | /me realizes he does't know when local apps entered by version of ltsp.. only by version of ubuntu/fedora
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| 10:06 | antgel_, there's another way tho..
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| 10:06 | can you just paste your lts.conf again
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| 10:06 | what you have now
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| 10:06 | we'll see if one more mod can make it just work
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| 10:06 | beofre you go setting the password on the chroot
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| 10:06 | and forcing a login..
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> antgel_: try this, from gnome-terminal: xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND xterm
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| 10:09 | <johnny> now that's some hackery :)
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| 10:09 | gogo alkisg !
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> :P
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| 10:09 | <johnny> iv'e yet to try it manually
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| 10:09 | antgel_, that's basically all the ltsp-localapps command does.. is what he just suggested
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| 10:09 | just a friendlier face to it..
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| 13:15 | <antgel> back, the ADSL got cut off on my client site *sigh*
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| 18:13 | <ehrenpr> anyone know how to configure login_timout with auto login?
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| 18:15 | <johnny> what's the problem?
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| 18:15 | it's just on seconds
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| 18:16 | !docs
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| 18:16 | <ltspbot> johnny: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 18:18 | <johnny> i don't have the SRV tree to grep for the timeout param :(
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| 18:18 | <Ryan52> ehrenpr: I can help probably.
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| 18:18 | ehrenpr: just set LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT
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| 18:18 | * Ryan52 is the person who implimented that feature. | |
| 18:18 | <johnny> cool..
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| 18:18 | Ryan52, !!!!
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| 18:18 | how are you !
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| 18:18 | <ehrenpr> i got it setup, i saw the count down but then nothing happend, without ldm-autologin.
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| 18:19 | <johnny> of course..
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| 18:19 | <ehrenpr> with auto-login it didnt show the timer
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| 18:19 | <johnny> do you have LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y ?
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| 18:19 | you need both
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| 18:19 | <ehrenpr> yes
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| 18:19 | <johnny> i think?
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| 18:19 | maybe i'll let Ryan52 talk :)
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| 18:19 | he's used it more recently than I
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| 18:19 | <ehrenpr> when i had both it didnt count down, but loggid in directly.
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| 18:19 | <Ryan52> johnny: set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD too.
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| 18:19 | <ehrenpr> got
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| 18:20 | username and ass set up
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| 18:20 | pass i mean
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| 18:21 | ryan so if i set ldm-login-timeout how do i identify which user to login
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| 18:21 | <Ryan52> set LDM_USERNAME and set LDM_PASSWORD..
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| 18:21 | johnny: good! how are you?
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| 18:22 | <johnny> ehrenpr, i told you that before iirc..
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| 18:22 | [ip or mac]
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| 18:22 | LDM_USERNAME=""
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| 18:22 | LDM_PASSWORD=""
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| 18:22 | need that for each connection
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| 18:22 | altho.. it will default to username of hostname and password of hostname
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| 18:22 | if you happen to have dns resolution setup properly
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| 18:23 | <ehrenpr> thanks, ill try that out
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| 18:23 | <johnny> ehrenpr, if you dns working.. it's recommended that you apply the hack for ssh keys there
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| 18:24 | instead of the hostname/hostname .. i got "hacked" sorta
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| 18:24 | somebody brute forced a login and ran an irc bot
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| 18:24 | it wasn't rooted or anything..
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| 18:24 | just annoying
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