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Channel log from 15 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:56 | <ftherese> I'm still having this problem with ltsp-localapps not being able to mount /media - though the mounting of the "real home" does work... this has changed since the new patching method for jaunty
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| 00:57 | with the old patching method, it worked
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| 01:01 | wait... I got it
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| 01:01 | the variable name changed from LOCAL_MEDIA to MOUNT_LOCAL_MEDIA
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| 01:01 | I am going to see if that works
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| 01:03 | * vagrantc wasn't away of any LOCAL_MEDIA variables | |
| 01:04 | <ftherese> well, at any rate, I had been using the same lts.conf file
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| 01:04 | and looking at the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GetMoreFromLocalApps
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| 01:04 | which has clearly changed within the last couple of days
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| 01:05 | the variable names are different
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| 01:05 | or it was just a fluke and somehow worked anyway
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| 01:09 | <vagrantc> ah, it's a modified version
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| 01:09 | not present upstream.
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| 01:09 | <ftherese> yeah... sorry there is a patch
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| 01:09 | well, it is rather useful, it ought to be there
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| 01:10 | another thing that would be useful is being able to access the gvfs mounted shares with local apps
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| 01:10 | since those shares are not mounted in /media... and I don't really know where they ARE mounted, though I haven't made any extensive investigations
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| 01:26 | <johnny> they mount in your ~/.gvfs ftherese
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| 01:36 | <ftherese> johnny. thanks, now the only problem is that they are hidden from the user. For example, you want to open a file in open office from the network, it doesn't give you the option to see hidden files and browse that way... plus I would prefer my users not have to navigate through hidden files to find it. They are hidden for a reason ;)
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| 01:39 | <johnny> but they should show up in the menu
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| 01:39 | in Places, or oin the Desktop
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| 01:39 | they are in .gvfs for cli usage
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| 01:39 | or hmm.. is that only for fuse..
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| 01:40 | i know if i use "connect to server" for sshfs they show up in .gvfs and in the menu
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| 01:40 | and webdav (if it wasn't currently broken)
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| 01:57 | <ftherese> well... in the ltsp-localapps version of openoffice writer, you don't have the gnome friendly menus... you have like the generic X menu system
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| 01:59 | yeah... I double checked with local-apps gimp
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| 02:00 | localapps gimp DOES use the gnome menu system, which makes it possible to view hidden files, but doesn not display the gvfs mounts in the shortcuts menu
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| 02:00 | <johnny> that's a seperate problem i guess
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| 02:01 | <ftherese> yeah
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| 02:01 | <johnny> try back when more people are here
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| 03:54 | <Willtech> Anybody managed to get LTSP running with Fedora 11? - ltsp-dhcpd fails to start on my test system after reboot?
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| 03:58 | anybody out there?
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| 04:00 | <klausade> Willtech: i don't use fedora myself, but generally, if something fails to start, it will produce an errormessage, maybe in syslog. maybe that will be helpfull, to some.
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| 04:03 | <Willtech> Thanks - I'll try find some info there - I'm sure it's probably just something I've noobed up
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| 04:05 | <elias_a> Hi there - we have a problem setting up the dhcp server.
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| 04:07 | Sep 15 11:05:57 ubuntu dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
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| 04:07 | <ogra> cofigure it properly then :)
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| 04:07 | <elias_a> Where is the configuration made in LTSP5 system?
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| 04:08 | <ogra> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 04:08 | <elias_a> ogra: Give me a hand or I will kiss you :)
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| 04:08 | <ogra> did you follow the install instructions ?
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| 04:08 | !ubuntu
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| 04:08 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:08 | <ogra> it would have set it up for you :)
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| 04:08 | <elias_a> Lets see that! I'll give you a hug instead )
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| 04:08 | <ogra> :)
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| 04:10 | <elias_a> ogra: The problem is that Jaunty alternate cd LTSP installation is broken and we tried to install it on the top of a Ubuntu manually.
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| 04:10 | <ogra> broken ?
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| 04:11 | <elias_a> alkisg: Good morning!
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| 04:11 | <ogra> how
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> Hi elias_a, hi all
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| 04:11 | * ogra hasnt see a single bug about a broken alternate install on jaunty yet | |
| 04:11 | <ogra> *seen
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| 04:11 | whats the issue ?
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| 04:12 | <yoshi__> hi everyone
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| 04:13 | little question: i installed firefox as local app with flash plugin did the NAT trick and changed my lts.conf everything works, perfectly after that is installed the ubunty-restricted stuff and java in the chroot. But now when i run firefox as local app is see the plugins installed in firefox but firefox won't pick it up and use them, if i go to a java site it complains it has a missing plugin if i want to see a movie embedded i
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| 04:13 | however works when using firefox in non local apps mode.
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| 04:15 | <elias_a> ogra: I try to find it. There's a bug reported and fixed but apparently the cd image has not been fixed.
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| 04:24 | ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/325678
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| 04:25 | <elias_a> This makes the alternate cd practically unusable.
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| 04:25 | <ogra> that was fixed long before the final release
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| 04:25 | the fix is on the CD
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| 04:25 | * Disable --mount-cdrom in the installer (LP: #325678)
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| 04:26 | <elias_a> Well - I have been able to reproduce it with a installation cd that was downloaded a few days ago.
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| 04:27 | <ogra> you are aware that it is normal that the install sits at 50% for about 20min ?
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| 04:27 | <elias_a> Yes. It ended up with an error report.
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| 04:27 | <ogra> you should file a new bug then and attach the installer log
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| 04:28 | it is definately unrelated to 325678
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| 04:28 | what was the error it showed ?
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| 04:28 | <elias_a> That it failde to build up the system.
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| 04:29 | Sorry typos ;-)
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| 04:29 | <ogra> well, the installer log would be needed for actual debugging
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| 04:30 | are you sure you used the final release ?
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| 04:30 | <elias_a> quite sure - i will check
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| 04:30 | * ogra is curious why nobody else reported anything | |
| 04:31 | <elias_a> hold on :)
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| 04:32 | ubuntu-9.04-alternate-i386.iso
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| 04:32 | <ogra> md5sum checked ?
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| 04:33 | <elias_a> md5sum check progressing :)
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| 04:33 | <ogra> c564ae16dffb51a922aef74a07250473 *ubuntu-9.04-alternate-i386.iso
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| 04:33 | <elias_a> (drummer - please: tremolo!!!)
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| 04:35 | <elias_a> generating md5sum on a laptop takes time...
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| 04:40 | <elias_a> ogra: the md5sum was OK.
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| 04:40 | <ogra> well, then file a bug and attach the contents of /var/log/installer/
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| 04:41 | <ogra> is this i386 or amd64 ?
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| 04:41 | <elias_a> What I am going to do now is that I am going to demostrate how it fails in front of the eyes of 10 people.
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| 04:41 | We doing a demo effect show in South Arfica :)
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| 04:41 | <ogra> well, that doesnt help to fix the issue :)
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| 04:42 | <elias_a> i386
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| 04:42 | <ogra> no reason it should fail
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| 04:42 | <elias_a> We still need to get the error code? Right?
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| 04:42 | <ogra> we need the logs
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| 04:42 | /var/log/installer/ has all info
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| 04:42 | <elias_a> Ok.
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| 04:42 | <ogra> attach them to a new bug
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| 04:43 | * ogra goes afk for a while | |
| 04:43 | <elias_a> does the alternate LTSP installation mode allow simultaneous installation of GNOME desktop?
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| 04:43 | <elias_a> The oly connetction w have to internet is 3g.
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| 04:44 | sorry the typos - the ssh connection goes around half the world...
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| 04:47 | ogra: There's no /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf even though the ltsp was succesfully created.
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| 04:47 | The only instances are:
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| 04:48 | only instance is: /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 04:48 | here's definately something strange
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| 05:04 | <ogra> elias_a, LTSP requires a desktop installation, so yes
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| 05:24 | <asmok_> elias_a: Try this howto: http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/LTSP5_Testausta - maybe it helps somehow for setup - over 3G it is useless to download chroot. Hope your ISO/CDROM works.
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| 05:37 | <yoshi__> sorry to bother again :ittle question: i installed firefox as local app with flash plugin did the NAT trick and changed my lts.conf everything works, perfectly after that is installed the ubunty-restricted stuff and java in the chroot. But now when i run firefox as local app is see the plugins installed in firefox but firefox won't pick it up and use them, if i go to a java site it complains it has a missing plugin if i want to
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| 05:37 | again ... any idea ? It however works when using firefox in non local apps mode.
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| 05:41 | <zamba> how long should 'ltsp-build-client' take on a xeon dual core @ 2.53ghz?
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| 05:48 | <yoshi__> zamba -20 min
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| 05:50 | <ogra> really depends on your network speed
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| 06:04 | <hipy> Hi, i need some help
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| 06:04 | I have installed ltsp on ubuntu. but how can i let a client conncect to it withouth having him a harddisk
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| 06:05 | s
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| 06:05 | <hipy> anybody here?
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| 06:06 | <alkisg> hipy, does the client support pxe booting?
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| 06:06 | (boot from lan)?
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| 06:15 | <hipy> Yes
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| 06:16 | atleast it said no bootimage or something found exitting pxe
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| 06:16 | But i try to set pxe on the ubuntu server up but i dont sucseed
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| 06:17 | i haev no idea how to do that and the ltsp wiki doesnt give much info either or where to get the files
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| 06:29 | <ogra> hipy, how exactly did you install ltsp ?
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| 06:29 | <ogra> it should all be set up by default
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| 06:29 | you dont need to do anything
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| 06:29 | !ubuntu
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| 06:29 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 06:29 | <ogra> just make sure you follow the guide
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| 06:31 | <hipy> omfg
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| 06:31 | how can you get this to work
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| 06:31 | ogra i did it via apt-get install
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| 06:32 | <ogra> see the doc, it tells you how to do it
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| 06:32 | <hipy> i did this
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| 06:32 | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server
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| 06:34 | <ogra> that is covered by "Installing on top of an already running desktop system"
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| 06:34 | make sure you have read it
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| 06:34 | <hipy> yes i did that omg
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| 06:34 | it doesnt work
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| 06:35 | <ogra> so your NIC has the right IP ? and you ran sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 06:37 | <elias_a> Hey - we got the cd working.
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| 06:37 | <elias_a> But still one problem: ubuntu dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
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| 06:37 | <ogra> but your server has two NICs ?
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| 06:37 | <elias_a> This is what I get when trying to restart the dhcp3-server
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| 06:38 | ogra: No, 1.
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| 06:38 | <elias_a> nternet connection is with 3g modem
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| 06:38 | <ogra> so you should have had a note during installation telling you exactly what to do
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| 06:38 | <din_os> hello, I am on Lenny and i get "nfs mount: need a path" (default has root=/dev/nfs boot=nfs) but /dev/nfs does not exist on my system any clues?
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| 06:38 | <ogra> after the ltsp client env was built
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| 06:39 | anyway, make sure your NIC uses the IP thats mentioned on the wiki (thats what the note from the installer tells you)
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| 06:40 | <elias_a> ogra: I followed Asmos instructions in Finnish: http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/LTSP5_Perusasennus#head-7f3d1ca8e57e6d1d4d9f4e0a325839a03c81fcb1
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| 06:41 | It has worked before - on the other hand I have never done an installation without a fixed Internet connection.
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| 06:43 | <ogra> you dont need any internet connection
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| 06:43 | but your NIC needs to have the right IP
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| 06:43 | (or you need to edit the dhcp configuration)
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| 06:44 | NIC and dhcpd.conf simply need to match
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| 06:44 | easiest is to just use the right IP
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| 06:44 | <din_os> (i have also tried http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-edu@lists.debian.org/msg15299.html but the paths are wrong for me too, what is the valid update-kernels.conf location?)
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| 06:46 | I think NFS is missing... is that possible? do I need to install it separately? how do I check?
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| 06:51 | <elias_a> ogra: I would be very happy if you could help me finding the problem as I cannot see it.
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| 06:51 | I will put things to pastebin
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| 06:51 | <ogra> ifconfig -a
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| 06:51 | and the content of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 07:12 | <elias_a> ogra: I found the problem. It seems like Network Manager ovverrides the settings in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 07:12 | <ogra> not really
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| 07:13 | it can not touch interfaces that are properly set up in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 07:13 | what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like ?
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| 07:13 | <elias_a> ogra:http://pastebin.com/m4e837929
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| 07:15 | <ogra> with that setup NM cant touch it
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| 07:15 | <alkisg> din_os_: KERNEL vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img boot=nfs nfsroot=/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 07:15 | <ogra> as soon as "auto <interfacename>" is set
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| 07:15 | <alkisg> din_os_: did you put the nfsroot there?
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| 07:15 | <din_os_> nope
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| 07:15 | <alkisg> (in pxelinux.cfg/default)
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| 07:15 | It's needed
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| 07:15 | <din_os_> lets see
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| 07:16 | so I remove root=/dev/nfs completely?
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| 07:16 | <ogra> alkisg, nfsroot ? that should come from dhcp
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| 07:17 | <alkisg> ogra, dhcp sends rootpath
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| 07:17 | <elias_a> Ok. I will start the network again and see what happens.
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| 07:17 | <ogra> alkisg, right, which initramfs should pick up properly
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| 07:18 | <ogra> alkisg, if you have to set anything like that in the pxe config i'd consider it a very serious bug (and i assume vagrant as well)
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| 07:18 | <alkisg> ogra: let me see what vagrantc has put in the new pxelinux.cfg/default file...
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| 07:20 | din_os_: in the meanwhile, give it a try, without the root= and with the nfsroot=...
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| 07:20 | <din_os_> I will try this asap but what does the plain root=/dev/nfs do and why remove it?
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> ogra, the code says you're right - debian uses BOOTPROMPT_OPTS="quiet root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs". I wonder why I had to use nfsroot... I have to try that again to see.
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| 07:28 | <hipy> so ogra you say that if i install ltsp via the ubutnu alternate cd that everything(including pxe server etcv ) is setup and working
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| 07:29 | <ogra> hipy, if your server has two network cards you wont need to touch anything
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| 07:29 | it will be set up out of the box
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| 07:30 | <hipy> two network cards?
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| 07:30 | <din_os_> alkisg, nope, still asks for nfsmount... (but according to these posts: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-edu@lists.debian.org/msg15299.html it seems that editing manually default might not cut it... )
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| 07:30 | <hipy> why 2
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| 07:30 | :S
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| 07:30 | why it needs 2 network cards ogra?
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| 07:30 | <ogra> one for accessing the network, one for serving the thin clients
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| 07:30 | you can indeed set it up with one network card but then you need to configure stuff
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| 07:30 | the default simply uses two#
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| 07:32 | <hipy> ok
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| 07:32 | so i have t put an extra network card in
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| 07:33 | where can you manage the ts btw
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| 07:33 | <ogra> what do you want to manage ?
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> din_os_: update-kernels.conf is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf - you have to create it
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| 07:34 | <elias_a> ogra: dhcpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/m2f0702db
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| 07:34 | <hipy> well look what other users are doing etcf
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| 07:34 | <ogra> hipy, iTalc is what you want then
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| 07:35 | <hipy> dunno
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| 07:35 | <ogra> elias_a, looks fine
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| 07:35 | <din_os_> alkisg, hmm i can reach /opt/ltsp/i386/etc , no ltsp folder though
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| 07:35 | <ogra> din_os_, create it
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> Yeah I think you need to create that too :)
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| 07:36 | <elias_a> ogra: ifconfig -a: http://pastebin.com/m26ed3042
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| 07:36 | <ogra> elias_a, right
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| 07:36 | <elias_a> In my opinion everything looks fine.
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| 07:36 | <ogra> elias_a, it does
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> din_os_: what do you have in dhcpd.conf ?
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| 07:37 | <elias_a> ogra: And now it works :)
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| 07:37 | <din_os_> no dhcpd
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| 07:37 | <ogra> :)
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| 07:37 | <elias_a> magic :)
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> din_os_: how do you boot the clients? dnsmasq?
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| 07:37 | <elias_a> (and lunch)
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| 07:37 | <ogra> enjoy
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| 07:39 | <din_os_> yup, kind-of, my own Proxy actually... could be that :) but worked fine on Ubuntu and still passes the rootpath and server to PXE so
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| 07:39 | I use the NIC's PXE
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| 07:39 | <zamba> how can i make ltsp-build-client use my apt cache?
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> din_os_: the ipconfig application in the initramfs can't read proxy dhcp options
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| 07:40 | <ogra> zamba, --mirror
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> din_os_: So you can't just use a proxy dhcp server. You have to provide the needed info as kernel parameters.
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| 07:41 | din_os_: try break = mount, and see if ipconfig gets the rootpath. I think you'll see that it doesn't.
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| 07:41 | <zamba> ogra: thanks.. just figured it out :)
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| 07:41 | <din_os_> ok, so IPAPPEND 3 must change to something I saw somewhere on the net...
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| 07:41 | <ogra> zamba, make sure to never use localhost though
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| 07:41 | <zamba> ogra: got it :)
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| 07:41 | <ogra> zamba, if the proxy runs locally use your external IP
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| 07:41 | else the chroot might not see it
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| 07:42 | <zamba> yeah, i see how that can be a problem :)
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> din_os_: the rootpath is your main problem, not the ip. It'll get a new ip from the router - no problem there.
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| 07:42 | <din_os_> hold on, should I quit creating the kernel-update.conf file?
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> What you put in update-kernels.conf reaches (when the kernel is updated) pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:44 | So you could just change pxelinux.cfg/default as you're testing, and when you get it right, *then* put it in update-kernels.conf...
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| 07:45 | <din_os_> ok then, let me try something else I have in mind, brb
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> din_os_: you also need to specify a server
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> ...because again ipconfig doesn't get it from the proxy dhcp server options
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| 07:53 | <ftherese> do you have to install jetpipe on the server or client in order to get usb printer working on ltsp-client?
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| 07:54 | <ogra> you dont install it at all
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| 07:54 | ltsp-build-client does that for you already
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| 07:54 | <ftherese> so what might be the reason for it not working?
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| 07:55 | the printer shows up in the lsusb on the client
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| 07:55 | and I tried adding it through cups
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| 07:55 | cups didn't give any errors, but endlessly retries printing the test page after an apparently successful install
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| 07:55 | <ogra> and you have set PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 in your lts.conf ?
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| 07:55 | <ftherese> yes I do
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| 07:56 | <ogra> then it should work
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| 07:56 | <ftherese> and that device does show up in the /dev on the client
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| 07:56 | <hipy> !ubuntu
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| 07:56 | <ltspbot`> hipy: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 07:56 | <ftherese> I came across someone talking about telneting to port 9100
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| 07:56 | but the connection is refused
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| 07:56 | <ogra> hmm, then jeptpipe isnt running
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| 07:57 | <ftherese> is there a way to start it?
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| 07:57 | <ogra> the initscript does it if PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set
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| 07:57 | what distro/release is that ?
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| 07:58 | ancient ubuntu releases actually had it missing
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| 07:58 | one of them at least
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| 07:58 | <ftherese> jaunty
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| 07:58 | <ogra> jaunty should be fine
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| 07:58 | hardy wasnt
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| 07:58 | <ftherese> my lts.conf looks like this
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| 07:58 | [00:18:8b:61:e3:66]
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| 07:58 | LOCAL_APPS = True
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| 07:58 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU = True
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| 07:58 | MOUNT_LOCAL_OPT = True
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| 07:58 | MOUNT_LOCAL_MEDIA = True
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| 07:58 | MOUNT_LOCAL_REAL_HOME = True
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| 07:58 | SEARCH_DOMAIN = rimont1.com
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| 07:58 | <ogra> err
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| 07:58 | <ftherese> LDM_DIRECTX = True
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| 07:58 | DNS_SERVER = 192.168.1.1
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| 07:58 | RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/chmod-resolv.sh
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| 07:58 | <ogra> please use a pastebot
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| 07:58 | <ftherese> LDM_AUTOLOGIN = False
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| 07:58 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
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| 07:58 | <ogra> !paste
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| 07:58 | <ftherese> sorry
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| 07:58 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "paste" is try !pastebot
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| 07:59 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 07:59 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 07:59 | <ogra> looks ok
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| 08:00 | <ftherese> so... any ideas? There is a PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY setting I could try
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| 08:01 | I guess that is more for parrallel printers though
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| 08:01 | <ogra> right
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| 08:01 | and not required
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| 08:01 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE is all you need
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| 08:02 | <ftherese> so if it's not working right now, is there a way to see if things that should be running are indeed running?
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| 08:02 | <ogra> SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 08:02 | set these two in lts.conf
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| 08:02 | and you can switch to tty2
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| 08:03 | <ftherese> is that the same as having a local xterm?
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| 08:03 | <ftherese> localapps xterm-
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| 08:03 | <ogra> yes
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| 08:03 | * ogra has a meeting now ... | |
| 08:03 | <ftherese> have a nice meeting
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| 08:04 | * ogra walks off to #ubuntu-meeting | |
| 08:04 | <ftherese> anyone else can help with local usb printers on ltsp?
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| 08:07 | <din_os__> alkisg, progress: properly (my bad) assigned nfsroot=/opt/ltsp/i386 seems to remove the need for nfsmount but now gets stuck for 2 mins, then displays a connection time out
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> (03:45:25 μμ) alkisg: din_os_: you also need to specify a server
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| 08:07 | (03:46:11 μμ) alkisg: ...because again ipconfig doesn't get it from the proxy dhcp server options
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| 08:08 | din_os__: so, nfsroot=<ip>:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 08:08 | <din_os__> oh ok, let's see
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| 08:08 | so this happens with dnsmasq too?
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| 08:08 | <alkisg> Only if one uses nfs
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| 08:09 | With nbd you just need to specify the server (or IPAPPEND 3)
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| 08:09 | (server ==> with nbdroot=...)
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| 08:09 | <elias_a> Wow - now we have it up running but cannot log in even though we created users inside ltsp system.
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| 08:10 | ssh keys have been updated and the image have been rebuilt
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| 08:10 | <din_os__> I had a default file somewhere that uses IPAPPEND 2 then some long line with all the info separated by : , is this deprecated?
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| 08:10 | <elias_a> What to look at next?
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> din_os__: no it should still work
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| 08:10 | din_os__: upload your pxelinux.cfg/default to pastebin to make sure...
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| 08:11 | <din_os__> ok, let me try with nfsroot first, looks better
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> din_os__: IPAPPEND3 makes it easier for laptop-servers :)
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> Otherwise you'll need to change pxelinux.cfg/default every time your ip changes..
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| 08:27 | <kbum> | |
| 08:27 | I'm having the permission to load X. I'm using ubuntu 9.04 and have installed the LTSP5 and ltsp4.2. The LTSP5 works correctly, but the LTSP4.2 can not start X.
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| 08:29 | <kbum> In ubuntu 9.04 you must use the LDM instead of GDM?
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| 08:34 | <hipy> !ubuntu
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| 08:34 | <ltspbot`> hipy: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 08:35 | <hipy> jezus isntalling ubuntu takes long
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> Ubuntu? Or do you mean ltsp-build-client?
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| 08:40 | <hipy> no ubuntu alternate cd with ltsp
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| 08:41 | <din_os__> alkisg, now I get "NFS over TCP not available for <IP>", but some1 else has the same problem http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=39268
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> din_os__: did you install nfs-kernel-server to your server?
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| 08:42 | (I don't know if on debian it's an ltsp-server dependency or not...)
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| 08:42 | <bieb> hipy: What?
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> din_os__: also, I don't know if you have to manually do the exports in /etc/exports... (I mean /opt/ltsp/i386)
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| 08:42 | <din_os__> it's there
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| 08:43 | nfs seems to be running too, nfs shows up on the ports list
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| 08:43 | <alkisg> din_os__: what does `exportfs` tell you?
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| 08:44 | alkisg@alkis:~$ exportfs
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| 08:44 | /opt/ltsp/i386 <world>
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| 08:44 | /home <world>
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| 08:44 | <elias_a> everythings ok now.
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| 08:45 | My mistake - I had mistakenly created the users inside the ltsp system.
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| 08:46 | <din_os__> ok I found some bug report that this was also due to some modules on the kernel, a fresh lenny install fixed it for him... :(
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| 08:47 | oups, my export says /opt/ltsp
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> I don't know what's the correct one
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| 08:48 | I exported /opt/ltsp/i386 for my own scripts
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| 08:48 | <ogra> /opt/ltsp is fine
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| 08:48 | else you have to add every single subdir
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> din_os__: so what does your pxelinux.cfg/default look like now?
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| 08:50 | <din_os__> found this by vagrant: /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check) should it make any difference?
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| 08:50 | *would
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| 08:50 | DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img nfsroot=192.168.1.20:/opt/ltsp/i386 boot=nfs
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| 08:50 | plus IPAPPEND 3 beneath
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> Hmmm can you temporarily try without the ipappend 3?
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| 08:51 | I don't know which takes presedence... I guess nfsroot, but just to make sure..
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| 08:51 | <din_os__> it would fail earlier
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| 08:53 | I am curious, the boot script so far seems to load drivers for everything (keyboard, mouse, usb devices) where does it get those from? are they all on the initrd?!
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 08:53 | <din_os__> it hangs on "USB hid: hid core driver"
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| 08:54 | <din_os__> (then displays the NFS error)
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| 08:58 | <din_os__> hey IPAPPEND 3 seems to be unnecessary now ! (?) but still hangs at same position. Ok, I'll stop bugging you for now thx, I'll try some more stuff on my own including booting from the stable lenny kernel
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| 08:58 | <elias_a> Hey - how do I add languages to LTSP clients? Is it possible to do with Synaptic?
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> din_os__: you either need to use IPAPPEND 3, *or* the <ip> in nfsroot, not both
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| 09:00 | <din_os__> alkisg, actually, I get kernel panic now, msg took a while to come up
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> !s
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| 09:05 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:11 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Hey all
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| 09:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> shawnp0wers: just watched you serenade ohio linux fest.
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| 09:16 | alex and I are rolling
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| 09:24 | <hipy> again i installed ubuntu but it doesnt work
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| 09:25 | pxe-e53: no bootfilename received
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| 09:26 | that range is totally off my network
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| 09:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: what range?
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| 09:32 | <hipy> 192.168.0.254 us the ip of the pc
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| 09:32 | while the range is 192.168.1.*
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| 09:32 | in the network
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| 09:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> you said you installed with the alternate CD, correct?
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| 09:33 | <hipy> yes
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| 09:33 | Why do i btw need 2 network cards
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| 09:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> the server you installed that on has how many network cards?
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| 09:33 | <hipy> 2
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| 09:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> k
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| 09:33 | <hipy> sombody said it needs that
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| 09:33 | why it needs 2?
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| 09:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> the alternate installation ASSUMES that you have two network cards upon installation
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| 09:33 | <hipy> o0
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| 09:34 | why
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| 09:34 | "S
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| 09:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> 1 network card for outside network access (cloud, it uses eth0 by default) and one used to serve DHCP for the thinclients (eth1)
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| 09:34 | <hipy> wtf
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| 09:34 | it boots
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| 09:34 | :D
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| 09:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> yay
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| 09:35 | <hipy> well im doing it via a virtual pc
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| 09:35 | and i just put on a server with 2 network cards
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| 09:35 | and i started empty 1
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| 09:35 | and enabled network boot
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| 09:35 | last time i got pxe didnt reviece command or something
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| 09:35 | it works now
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| 09:35 | :D
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| 09:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> congrats.
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| 09:36 | <hipy> hmm
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| 09:36 | i start it
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| 09:36 | then i see ubuntu logo
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| 09:36 | and now i see a -
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| 09:36 | thats all
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| 09:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> sounds like an issue starting X
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| 09:36 | <hipy> is that just slowness?
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| 09:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> no
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| 09:36 | <hipy> meh!
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| 09:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> it shold boot to LDM
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| 09:36 | <hipy> :((
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| 09:36 | ldm?
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| 09:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> login screen
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| 09:37 | diagnosis time!
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| 09:37 | <hipy> how
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| 09:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> typing up things. gimme a moment.
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| 09:37 | <hipy> i see the vmlinuz.... and initrd........................... ready
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| 09:37 | then loading please wait
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| 09:37 | then the ubuntu loading bar
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| 09:37 | that is going back and forth
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| 09:37 | and then
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| 09:37 | *waits*
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| 09:38 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hipy ... please stop pressing "enter" so much ... more text per line is ok :)
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| 09:38 | <hipy> then i see the -
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| 09:38 | ok
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| 09:39 | _UsUrPeR_ do you have an idea
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| 09:39 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "create a file called /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/506
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| 09:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> check that link hipy
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| 09:40 | that will make diagnosis available by opening terminal sessions on the client (tty2-6)
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> hipy: So, your thin client is a virtual PC?
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| 09:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh... I thought it was his server that was the virt pc
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| 09:41 | <hipy> both
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| 09:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O
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| 09:41 | <hipy> but _UsUrPeR_ i dont see lts.conf
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| 09:41 | :S
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| 09:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> lts.conf needs to be created
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| 09:41 | <hipy> ah
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| 09:41 | :D
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| 09:41 | whats command for creating a file
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| 09:41 | a the other client gives now errors
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> hipy: have you tried booting with a REAL thin client?
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| 09:41 | <hipy> you mean like a terminal?
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| 09:41 | * _UsUrPeR_ jumps out the window | |
| 09:42 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 09:42 | <hipy> connection timed out says the connect hing
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| 09:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: pico/nano or vi can be used to create a file
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| 09:42 | <hipy> mounting rofs on /root/rofs failed invalid argument
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| 09:42 | o ye ofc
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| 09:42 | :p
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| 09:42 | i got a load of errors
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| 09:42 | should i make a screenshot
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| 09:42 | its from the network booting thing
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| 09:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: one thing at a time
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| 09:43 | <hipy> mounting /sys on root/sys failed
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| 09:43 | opk
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| 09:43 | hold on lol
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| 09:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> on the server, open a terminal window
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| 09:43 | in terminal window: pico /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 09:44 | <hipy> hold on gotta open it via firefox in the virtual thing
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| 09:45 | <hipy> ok i made that
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| 09:45 | what do i ahv to do now
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| 09:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 09:46 | so you made the lts.conf file?
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| 09:46 | <hipy> te
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| 09:46 | ye
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| 09:46 | its there yes
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| 09:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> great. now reboot your LTSP client
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| 09:47 | <hipy> o well atleast it connects
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| 09:47 | ok
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| 09:47 | wait
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| 09:47 | the client
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| 09:47 | is that on the server or that thing that conenctes
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| 09:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> wat
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| 09:47 | <hipy> do i just need to connect or use a restart command
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| 09:47 | im totally new at ltsp
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| 09:47 | :S
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| 09:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> restart
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| 09:48 | <hipy> how do i do that
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| 09:48 | <din_os> alkisg, ogra, ok, possible bug there (but maybe too much to ask?) my client had 2 NIC's on board, only one is connected, IPCONFIG tried to use the disconnected one and failed without trying the other, disabling the disconnected nic from bios fixed the problem and the client now boots fine just by using nfsroot=<ip>:<path>
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| 09:48 | <hipy> there is noting in init.d
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| 09:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: no, the client. restart the client
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| 09:49 | I.E. power off/on
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| 09:49 | not the ltsp server
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> din_os: there's a new udhcpc script in karmic which should take care all dual-nic problems (hopefully)
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| 09:49 | <hipy> ok
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> din_os: for jaunty, you can either put it manually in the premount folder, or you could use the ip=x:x:x....:eth1:dhcp command line to specify the nic
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| 09:50 | *note the eth1 there
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| 09:50 | <hipy> its now at the ubuntu loading bar again
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> din_os: unfortunately, neither ipappend 1, 2 or 3 help with the default jaunty scripts.
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| 09:50 | <hipy> lets see what happens
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| 09:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: it will probably not boot again. which is fine
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| 09:51 | <hipy> O ?
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| 09:51 | hmm
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| 09:51 | black line again
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| 09:51 | white*
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| 09:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> we added the lts.conf in order to diagnose the problem.
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| 09:51 | <hipy> just 1 white line at top left cornor
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| 09:51 | ok
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| 09:51 | and what do we do now
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| 09:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, I want you to hit ctrl+alt+F2
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| 09:52 | <hipy> ok
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| 09:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> also: what is your base OS for your virtual machine?
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| 09:52 | <hipy> erm
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| 09:52 | you mean where the virtual machine runs on
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| 09:52 | that is xp
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| 09:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 09:52 | k
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| 09:52 | * din_os is a happy Lenny Ltsp server owner | |
| 09:52 | <hipy> ctrl alt f2 doesnt respond
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| 09:52 | but after like 5mins ( we got to wait :P ) i got a connection timed out or something and a sort off command line
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> din_os: ***sorry, "won't help... with the default lenny scripts" :P
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| 09:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: unfortunately, trying to get a working thinclient environment with almost no hardware is pretty difficult
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| 09:53 | <hipy> ye but its just network boot isnt it?:P
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| 09:54 | <hipy> i pressed ctrl alt f1 to see whats hppening
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| 09:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: there are roo many nuances to your current setup (xp, vm for server and client, internal network structure)
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| 09:54 | <hipy> i get filename:
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| 09:54 | connection timed out
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| 09:54 | <hipy> is that the problem you thing
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| 09:54 | ok im in busybox now
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| 09:55 | i get 6 errors
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| 09:55 | should i post them
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| 09:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> no, no. the problem is diagnosing the issue. I have no idea what busybox is, and I was hoping this would be a more straightforward issue to resolve.
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| 09:55 | <hipy> it says busybox v1.10..2 ubuntu build in shell
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| 09:56 | so i got a shell
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| 09:56 | its something with the file transfer i think
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> hipy: do you have another dhcp server on your network? a router maybe?
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| 09:58 | * _UsUrPeR_ tags alkisg in the ring, then runs for his life | |
| 09:58 | <ltsppbot> "hipy" pasted "errors of client" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/507
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| 09:58 | <garymc> Could i connect to my LTSP server from home like I was in the office on the thin client?
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| 09:58 | <hipy> erm
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> Heh ... nah I was just about to leave :P :D
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| 09:58 | <hipy> dhcp is diffrent from dchp isnt it
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| 09:58 | if that is terue nope i do not have an other server
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| 09:59 | <garymc> im guessing no?
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| 09:59 | <hipy> Lol
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| 09:59 | indeed i dont have other server in network
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> hipy: sorry I haven't read all the chat here, could you describe your network setup?
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| 09:59 | <hipy> erm
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> How does your server get an IP address? From the router?
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| 09:59 | <hipy> 2 network cards
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| 09:59 | virtual machne
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| 09:59 | yes from the router
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> So the router *is* a dhcp server
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| 10:00 | So you *do* have another dhcp server (=the router), right?
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| 10:00 | (the second one being the ltsp server)
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| 10:00 | <hipy> i tought that a router has a dchp server not a dhhcp
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> OK. There's your problem - your clients think that your router is the ltsp server
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| 10:01 | You have to shut down the router's dhcp server
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| 10:01 | (or some similar solution)
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| 10:01 | <hipy> i cant do that
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| 10:01 | S:
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> Then you need a more manual setup
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| 10:01 | <hipy> it does connect to the ubuntu server
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| 10:01 | <shawnp0wers> _UsUrPeR_: Heehheeh -- I love that my daughter was willing to sing with me. :D
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| 10:01 | <hipy> so i dont think its the dhcp
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> hipy: in the busybox, there are some lines there
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| 10:02 | hipy: one of them says "rootserver = <ip>"
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| 10:02 | Could you see the rootserver IP, and verify that it is your router's IP?
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| 10:02 | <hipy> rootserver =
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| 10:02 | that 1 is empty
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| 10:02 | <cliebow> garymc:think nx for that
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> OK. So *it is a dhcp problem*. That one should be your ltsp server.
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| 10:03 | <hipy> how can i fix this
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| 10:03 | wai
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| 10:03 | rootserver: 192.168.56.100
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| 10:03 | that is not my router
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| 10:03 | nor my server
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| 10:03 | :S
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> So you have a third dhcp server on your network
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| 10:04 | :)
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| 10:04 | <hipy> heh
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| 10:04 | wtf
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| 10:04 | o0
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| 10:04 | i dont
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| 10:04 | how the
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| 10:04 | this is the only pc online atm
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> hipy: please don't right one word per line
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| 10:04 | <hipy> ye sorry its like a tic:p
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> It's makes it difficult to read the channel
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| 10:04 | <hipy> hmm i can test it i shutdown the server if it still network boots im going to scratch my head
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| 10:05 | <alkisg> No. A dhcp server *is not a boot server*
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| 10:05 | It just hands out ip leases
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| 10:05 | <hipy> alkisg: Can you tell me the diffrence between dchp( wich gives out ip's ) And dhcp
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| 10:05 | o
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| 10:05 | crap
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| 10:05 | you cant do this withouth a dhcp
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| 10:06 | atleast i dont want my whole network to be ruined by that dhcp server of the ubuntu server( wich is gong to hand out ips )
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| 10:06 | <hipy> hmm now i shutdown the server i just get pxe no boot filename recieved
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| 10:06 | nothing more, no ubuntu loading screen
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> hipy: yes, that's understandable. Read a little on the internet on what a dhcp server is, and what a pxe server is.
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| 10:07 | <hipy> ok
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> hipy: there are 2 or 3 dhcp servers on your network, that's your basic problem
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| 10:07 | <hipy> well the router always have a dhcp server isnt it?
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> There are lots of ways around that problem, but you need to know some basic stuff first
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| 10:08 | No, not all routers are configured to work as dhcp servers.
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| 10:08 | And particularily for ltsp networks, they *shouldn't* unless one uses a non-standard installation method (as I said there are lots of these)
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| 10:08 | <hipy> hmm
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| 10:09 | How can i do it that only my router has a dhcp server
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| 10:10 | <alkisg> hipy: are you trying to deply an ltsp server inside a vm, or are you just doing this to understand how it works?
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| 10:10 | *deploy
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| 10:11 | <hipy> i try to understand and test how it work
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| 10:11 | if i install it to a real pc
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| 10:11 | would it work then
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> Please use one line per sentence
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| 10:11 | OK. Then use the internal network for the second server nic
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| 10:11 | <hipy> Btw does the dhcp server of the ubuntu hand out ips? , that would mess up my network entirly
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| 10:11 | <hipy> Nic? whats that. I do use an little internal network indeed.
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> And also use the virtualbox internal network for the virtualbox client
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| 10:12 | <garymc> cliebow : what is nx?
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| 10:12 | <hipy> i dont know, the ips are atleast out of my range
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| 10:12 | indicating that it looks like an internal network.
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| 10:12 | <cliebow> sort of like vnc but over ssh
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| 10:13 | <garymc> ok so how do i accomplish this im a bit of a newb
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| 10:13 | <hipy> This is just bizar how can a network operate withouth a dhcp server o0
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| 10:13 | i mean then the server itself doesnt get an ip does it
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> hipy: you need to read up a little, it's difficult to find someone here to explain it all for you. It would need hours...
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> Static ips, internal networks, dhcp servers, pxe servers etc
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| 10:14 | <hipy> i joined not so long ago. Do you have an advice
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| 10:14 | of what to do.
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> Hang around in this channel, and whatever unknown word you have google it.
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| 10:15 | E.g. "(06:13:23 μμ) hipy: i mean then the server itself doesnt get an ip does it" ==> google for "static ip"
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| 10:15 | <hipy> Yes. but i need the network to operate with a dhcp server from the router
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> hipy: ok, there is a way: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 10:16 | <hipy> hold on
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> ***but you need to be more advanced to do that
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| 10:16 | With your user level, I'd suggest that you stick to the default setup
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| 10:16 | I.e. 2 nics on the real server, and 2 switches so that it works out of the box
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| 10:17 | No VMs or other stuff until you get more experienced.
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> hipy: right now, you've just learned how to change the oil on your car, and you're immediately jumping into trying to build your own F15 jet fighter. I'd first off start by thoughly reading our upstream documentation:
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| 10:17 | !docs
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| 10:17 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> At that link
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| 10:17 | <garymc> anyone tell me how i can accomplish logging into my LTSP server from home as though I was at the office?
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> before going any further. Trying to set up an LTSP network as both a virtual server AND client is... non-trivial.
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| 10:18 | garymc: sure: ssh :)
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| 10:18 | <hipy> alkisg i will try that url. Im not realy that novice in using linux. I do run servers etc but with terminal servers in linux im totally new
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| 10:18 | <garymc> yeah but i just get a command promtp when doing that
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| 10:18 | i want a screen like im in the office
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| 10:19 | is that possible?
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> Then use vnc
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| 10:19 | <CAN-o-SPAM> garymc: vnc or freenx
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| 10:19 | <garymc> ive never heard of VNC how do i install it and where do i get it from?
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| 10:20 | ok i find vnc in google
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| 10:20 | do i just download it point to the ip?
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| 10:20 | <hipy> realvnc is an exxample of vnx
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| 10:20 | :)
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> garymc: google for "setting up vnc on ubuntu" :)
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| 10:21 | <garymc> ok what if im using a windows pc at home. would it still work?
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| 10:21 | Is there a free version of VNC?
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> Dude!
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| 10:21 | GOOGLE
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| 10:21 | yes and yes
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| 10:22 | <garymc> ok last question. Will it mess with my current LTSP setup?
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> Counter question: do you have backups?
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| 10:23 | If installed properly, then no.
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| 10:23 | <garymc> nope
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| 10:23 | not yet
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| 10:23 | ok
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| 10:23 | well ill give it a bash
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| 10:23 | thanks for the help
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> What, with no backups?
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| 10:24 | What, are my hints too subtle?
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| 10:24 | <garymc> no its only test anyway
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| 10:24 | its a test LTSP server
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> OK, how much time have you invested in this test?
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| 10:24 | Can you afford to lose it all and start over?
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| 10:25 | If so, then carry on, good sir.
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| 10:25 | <garymc> ye si can afford that
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| 10:25 | at the minute
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| 10:25 | :)
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> OK, off you go then.
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| 10:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> this may sound a little newbish, but if I don't have a firewall running, I have TFTPD running, and I cannot tftp to a pxe client as it boots, where should I be looking?
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| 10:32 | <Guest8675> at the error message
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| 10:34 | * hipy gives up ima install this on a real pc | |
| 10:34 | <hipy> :p
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| 10:46 | <sbalneav> hipy: Make sure you read the docs link I have you. There's a theory of operations section in there that will explain what's going on.
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: dhcpd.conf ?
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| 10:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: hmm
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| 11:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> nope. everything appears to be in order for the dhcpd.conf
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: also, try `sudo invoke-rc.d openbsd-inet restart` or something similar to restart the tftp server, I've seen that it helps sometimes...
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| 11:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: hmm. no dice there
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| 11:04 | using tftpd-hpa
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| 11:04 | no log files
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| 11:05 | no start/stop/fail messages when running /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa restart/start/stop
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| 11:05 | <johnny> that's cuz it's started by inetd _UsUrPeR_ ?
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| 11:05 | you shouldn't be using start stop in /etc/init
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| 11:07 | <hipy> !ubuntu
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| 11:07 | <ltspbot`> hipy: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:36 | <hipy> Finally ubuntu is installing
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| 11:36 | o0
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> I have a problem with localapps, and I think the cause is that my user's don't have a ~/.local directory for the .desktop files to get inside it. When is that directory supposed to be created?
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> Urm, or is the /tmp/ directory used? /me forgot... :D
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| 12:30 | <johnny> ~/.local gets created as needed
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| 12:30 | or should
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| 12:31 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Anyone in here interested in attending Ohio Linux Fest? Or already going??
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| 12:31 | <johnny> ohio is too far
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| 12:32 | <pem725> need some help troubleshooting "No response from server, restarting..." error
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| 12:33 | <johnny> does xdg-desktop-menu do anything alkisg (read man page)
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| 12:33 | <pem725> I am using Jaunty and have been using LTSP for about 3 years.
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| 12:33 | no problems at all until now.
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| 12:33 | <johnny> is ssh started?
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| 12:34 | <pem725> I believe so....
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| 12:34 | I just started it from init.d
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| 12:34 | <johnny> look in /var/log/ldm.log
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| 12:34 | on the client
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| 12:35 | <pem725> I just started it but no love....
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> johnny: we set the XDG_DATA_DIRS env var, I think we used ~/.local but I proposed that we used /tmp and I think Gadi agreed... /me looks at the code...
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| 12:36 | pem725: try ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you use nbd, also ltsp-update-image
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| 12:37 | <pem725> I tried both. in fact I updated image and kernels..and even did an entire build client.
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| 12:37 | something got hosed but I cannot figure out what.
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| 12:37 | <johnny> so.. check the logs on the client
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| 12:37 | <pem725> OK
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| 12:37 | <johnny> /var/log/ldm.log
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| 12:37 | <pem725> I am trying login on the client....from F1 term...
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| 12:37 | <johnny> need to set a password first
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| 12:37 | <pem725> got it
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| 12:38 | <johnny> or set SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
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| 12:38 | <pem725> brb
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| 12:39 | <ftherese> can anyone here help troubleshoot a problem getting a local usb printer to function?
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| 12:40 | <pem725> ldm_spawn exited with status 0
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| 12:40 | only error I can see from the ldm.log file.
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| 12:40 | <johnny> how about the lines before it
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| 12:41 | <pem725> rc_files: /bin/sh /usr/share/ldm/ldm-script init
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| 12:41 | before that, the LDM2 running on ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (ip addr. omitted)
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> pem725: try this command from the terminal: ssh -l some_existing_user server
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| 12:42 | Leave the `server` as it is, don't substitute it with anything
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| 12:42 | See if you get ***any*** ssh prompts
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| 12:42 | (e.g. keys changed and stuff)
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| 12:43 | <sbalneav> ftherese: More info would be helpful.
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| 12:43 | <pem725> I ssh into the system to change things...
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| 12:43 | so that works.
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> pem725: from the client to the server, not the opposite, right?
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| 12:44 | <pem725> no, from another client.
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| 12:44 | not a ltsp client.
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| 12:45 | <ftherese> sbalneav: I have a Dell printer set up as a local usb printer on one of hte light clients. I have followed the instructions including PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0 in lts.conf for the computer in question
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> Yeah, I mean that you try from an ltsp client
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| 12:45 | <pem725> ok, from the root shell?
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 12:45 | e.g. ssh -l pem725 server
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| 12:45 | <pem725> ok, I cannot resolve any hostname...
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> server is declared in /etc/hosts
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| 12:45 | <pem725> dns must not be working from the root shell.
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| 12:45 | <hipy> Hi, alkisg . Its amazing. I didnt do anything. and now it works via virtual pc
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| 12:45 | <ftherese> sbalneav: but after setting up the computer through cups, which yeilds no error
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| 12:45 | <pem725> ah.
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| 12:45 | <hipy> i just logged into ubuntu!
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| 12:45 | <johnny> cat /etc/hosts pem725
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> hipy: maybe the other person turned off the pc with the dhcp server :)
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| 12:46 | <ftherese> sbalneav: it seems to refuse the packets being sent
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| 12:46 | sbalneav: /dev/usblp0 is present in the local client
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| 12:46 | <hipy> Imposible. My pc is the only 1 running + a server that is now installing ubuntu alternate
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Well, you said yourself that the client got a rootserver ip from a third machine
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| 12:47 | <ftherese> sbalneav: and telent 9100 yeilds a refused connection
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| 12:47 | <pem725> alkisg, I ssh to server and it returns ...ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host.
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| 12:47 | <hipy> well the rootip was wrong
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> There's your problem
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| 12:47 | <hipy> and this time i started i saw a path standing
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| 12:47 | <ftherese> sbalneav: I am using jaunty
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| 12:47 | <hipy> and i whas like heh
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| 12:48 | <pem725> ok, how do I fix it?
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| 12:48 | any hints?
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| 12:48 | <ftherese> sbalneav: I checked the documentation that I could find on the internet, but though I came across someone with a similar problem, there was no solution given
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| 12:48 | <sbalneav> ftherese: is jetpipe installed in the chroot?
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> pem725: what was the exact command line that you tried, and the exact response?
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| 12:49 | <sbalneav> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:49 | dpkg -l | grep jetpipe
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| 12:49 | <pem725> exact command from the root prompt on client: ssh -lmyusername server
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| 12:49 | <ftherese> sbalneav: that is what I asked someone here a few hours ago, and he told me it should already be there if /dev/usblp0 is present, but I did not manually install it
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| 12:49 | <pem725> the exact error: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
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| 12:49 | <ftherese> sbalneav: I also looked for it and did not find it in /usr/bin
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| 12:49 | <sbalneav> type the two commands I gave you
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| 12:50 | whoops
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> pem725: I don't have much ssh experience, wait for others here. Did you do anything weird to the chroot, like e.g. try to setup key-based ssh authentication?
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| 12:50 | <sbalneav> second one should be "which jetpipe"
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| 12:50 | I keep forgetting it's not it's own package
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> pem725: or maybe you put stuff to hosts_deny?
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| 12:51 | <pem725> alkisg, no I did not do anything weird.
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| 12:51 | I doubt it...but let me check.
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| 12:51 | <johnny> pem725, read the sshd logs on the server then
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> pem725: or any firewall/iptable rules?
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| 12:51 | <ftherese> sbalneav: nothing returned
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| 12:51 | <sbalneav> from the "which jetpipe"?
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| 12:51 | <ftherese> sbalneav: from both
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| 12:51 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 12:52 | Have you upgraded using stgraber's ppa?
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| 12:52 | <ftherese> sbalneav: I am not sure, but I don't think so
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| 12:52 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 12:52 | launchpad.net/~stgraber
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| 12:52 | go to his PPA section
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| 12:53 | and add the ppa lines to both the server's /etc/apt/sources.list, then copy the server's sources.list to the thin clients in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources..list
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| 12:53 | <pem725> I am checking the sshd logs
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| 12:54 | <ftherese> ok
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| 12:54 | <sbalneav> then update the chroot with the usual sequence, and ltsp-update-image
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| 12:54 | <sbalneav> as well, update the server's packages.
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| 12:54 | that should get you the latest ltsp packages, and solve your problem.
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| 12:56 | <ftherese> thank you!
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| 12:56 | so I will be adding deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/stgraber/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
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| 12:57 | and the src one?
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| 12:57 | <pem725> alkisg - I use denyhosts to protect my ssh server and it appears that it has picked up all my thin clients...
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| 12:57 | strange
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| 12:57 | <johnny> there you go...
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| 12:57 | problem solved :)
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> pem725: nice. /me hasn't even heard of denyhosts, googling.. :)
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| 12:57 | <pem725> on my hosts.allow, it lists nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
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| 12:58 | I guess I need to put in a line to white list all my client ip addresses.
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> "...by monitoring invalid login attempts in the authentication log and blocking the originating IP addresses." ==> so if a user enters a wrong password 3 times, it'll block him completely???!!!!
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| 12:59 | That doesn't sound good :)
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| 13:01 | <pem725> yep, alkisg, denyhosts is brutal on some users.
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| 13:02 | but it is essential for Universities in the US who get attacked by ruthless scripts.
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| 13:02 | <johnny> unless you only allow key logins ..
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| 13:02 | <johnny> that's why i don't need denyhosts.. otherwise i'd be using it
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| 13:02 | <pem725> indeed
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| 13:02 | I allow password logins
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| 13:03 | I probably should eliminate that practice.
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| 13:04 | <Lns> stgraber, is your ppa considered ready for production use for all releases?
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| 13:05 | <ftherese> I am getting a GPG error on the launchpad public key: NO_PUBKEY 7D2C7A23BF810CD5
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| 13:06 | it looks like I can get the packages I need anyway
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| 13:06 | <ftherese> So I am going to ignore the error
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> hello all
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| 13:07 | <Lns> ftherese, you can install the gpg key, it's not that big of a deal though
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| 13:07 | hi jammcq
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> hey
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| 13:07 | sbalneav: ping
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> ftherese: to add stgraber's key, the instruction is: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com E7716B13
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| 13:14 | <ftherese> alkisg: thank you!
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| 13:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: get my mail?
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| 13:15 | <ftherese> if I want to tar.gzip the ltsp directory to export it to other servers, do I have to include the i386.img?
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| 13:15 | <pem725> alkisg and johnny - thanks for your help. I have to fix denyhosts
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| 13:16 | <ftherese> it weighs almost a gig by itself
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> ftherese: you could run ltsp-update-image on them to recreate it
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| 13:19 | <hipy> Hi
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| 13:19 | i have a little issue that when i connect via pxe network boot, i get the ubutnu loadfing screen but that freezes
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| 13:19 | <ftherese> alkisg: which I have to do anyway becasue the other servers have different sshkeys right?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Right (unless you disable sshkeys like me :P :D)
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| 13:19 | (ok scratch that security beating ahead :P)
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| 13:20 | <ftherese> that seems like it would make life easier
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| 13:20 | <hipy> anybody have an idea
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| 13:20 | <johnny> don't do it
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| 13:20 | ips don't change enough
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| 13:21 | <ftherese> so the only files ltsp-update-image needs are the ones in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:21 | <johnny> hipy, remove quiet splash keywords from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0/default
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| 13:21 | or whatever..
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| 13:21 | err pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:22 | <hipy> ok hold on my pc is realy realy REALY busy with something( the ubutnu server )
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| 13:22 | maby is that the problem also
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| 13:22 | :p
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| 13:22 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: email?
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| 13:23 | <hipy> (20:21:46) (johnny) err pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:23 | how can be a dir after a file
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| 13:23 | <johnny> it's not a dir.. it's a file
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| 13:23 | <ftherese> speaking of streamlining the ltsp-client chroot, could you leave out all the /var/cache/apt files as well?
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| 13:23 | <johnny> ftherese, i's probably not worth the hassle
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| 13:23 | i wonder why we don't tho..
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> ftherese: you can do apt-get clean etc...
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| 13:24 | <johnny> hipy, pxelinux.cfg is a directory..
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> (in the chroot)
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| 13:24 | <ftherese> alkisg: there are still a bunch that it holds onto
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| 13:24 | <hipy> meh that server is realy busy with something
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> k
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| 13:24 | <hipy> does the ubuntu dhcp server auto give out ips?
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| 13:24 | or is that turned off
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| 13:25 | <johnny> that's what dhcp servers do :)
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> ftherese: I got 24 Mb in that folder after clean/autoclean. No big deal, I guess...
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| 13:26 | (I had 112 before the cleaning)
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| 13:35 | <hipy> How do you turn dhcp off
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> hipy: temporarily, or permanently?
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| 13:38 | <hipy> well
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| 13:38 | temp
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| 13:38 | i need it to get an ip of my own network
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server stop
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| 13:39 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq, just got back to my desk
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| 13:39 | <jammcq> cool
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| 13:39 | you get my text ?
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| 13:40 | <sbalneav> Yep, sat down to reply, and got distracted by hipy's question :)
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| 13:44 | <hipy> what is the command for the following: Mark ltsp-server as manually installed, so that it doesn't get purged along with ltsp-server-standalone:
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| 13:44 | <johnny> just reinstall ltsp-server
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| 13:44 | <hipy> ...
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| 13:44 | I dont need to reinstall it
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| 13:44 | i need the command
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| 13:45 | Im making my server not dhcp dependend
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| 13:45 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 13:45 | <johnny> then uninstall standalone, reinstall it
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| 13:45 | err uninstall standalone
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| 13:45 | then reinstall the regular
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| 13:45 | <hipy> Dude
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> johnny: hipy is talking about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP#Installing dnsmasq
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| 13:45 | <hipy> i must flagg it
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| 13:45 | <johnny> you don't need to..
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> hipy: the commands are *right below* the line you read
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| 13:45 | <johnny> it can be installed on it's own
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| 13:45 | <hipy> erm
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| 13:45 | alkisg not to set it as manual?
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> hipy: please, read the docs, and follow the standard ltsp installation instructions
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| 13:46 | <hipy> o
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> Those are for more advanced users...
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| 13:46 | <hipy> Is that an auto awnsers
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| 13:46 | omfg
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| 13:46 | -.-
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| 13:46 | So directly when i dont know a command im a noob?
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| 13:46 | <johnny> hmm.. i didn't know that that apt-get could do that
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| 13:46 | a n00b at this specific thing yes :)
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| 13:47 | im n00b at tons of things..
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| 13:47 | like that apt-get command :)
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| 13:47 | lol
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> hipy: I didn't say anything like that. I'm saying that you'll get into trouble and it'll be difficult to solve your problems.
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| 13:47 | <hipy> O please
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| 13:47 | <johnny> i just would have done apt-get remove ltsp-server-standalone && apt-get install ltsp-server
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| 13:47 | that's n00b huh alkisg :)
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| 13:47 | <hipy> even my friend wich have so much experience with unix is searching for the command to mark a package as manuall installed
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| 13:47 | ....
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> hipy: read, man
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| 13:48 | <hipy> i read?
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> Mark ltsp-server as manually installed, so that it doesn't get purged along with ltsp-server-standalone:
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| 13:48 | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server # This may update ltsp-server instead
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| 13:48 | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server # So do it twice to be certain
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| 13:48 | <hipy> Omfg
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> The answer was right below the sentence...
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| 13:48 | <hipy> i aint talking about that
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| 13:48 | more about that you guys directly say im inexperienced etc when i ask something.
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> hipy: "directly" ==> I was talking to you for more than 1 hour before I suggested that you read the docs.
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| 13:49 | So please, don't say that.
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| 13:49 | <hipy> ...
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| 13:49 | So yuo say i must read all docs before i even make an attempt?
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| 13:49 | Im not like that
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| 13:49 | ltsp-server is already the newest version.
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| 13:49 | ltsp-server set to manually installed.
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| 13:49 | <hipy> that is what i wanted:0
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| 13:49 | :0
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| 13:50 | :)
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| 13:51 | <hipy> Btw alkisg , That thing isnt for advanced users since its purly copy paste
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> hipy: I wrote that page, I think I know if it's for advanced users or not...
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| 13:52 | E.g. the lines for pxelinux.cfg/default are already surpassed for karmic.
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| 13:52 | <hipy> Did you wrote that page?
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| 13:53 | Its a good page atleast
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| 13:53 | atleast its a good page*
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| 13:53 | i mean. i have seen tuts that were far more worse
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| 13:54 | <johnny> alkisg, surpassed for karmi?
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| 13:54 | karmic*
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> johnny: yes, vagrantc changed the update-kernels.conf variables a little
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| 13:55 | So PXELINUX_CMDLINE does no longer work
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| 13:55 | <hipy> alkisg i think there is something wrong in your tutorial
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| 13:55 | Create an /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf file and paste the following contents into it, while adjusting them to your needs:
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| 13:55 | that folder doesnt exist
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> hipy: 4 paragraphs above, there was a section about installing dnsmasq
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| 13:56 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP#Getting a recent dnsmasq version
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| 13:56 | hipy: Good luck, I don't have more time to help.
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| 13:56 | <hipy> Pff
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| 13:56 | What a support
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| 13:58 | <hipy> I see alkisg you speak ?p??et???? ?e?????? St?????? S?????
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| 13:58 | ...
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> (09:57:49 μμ) hipy: I see alkisg you speak ?p??et???? ?e?????? St?????? S????? ==> What?
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| 14:00 | <PMantis> Hi, have an LTSP 5 server, with an HP t5145 thin client booting from PXE. It loads X with improper parameters, so I can only see the upper left 2/3 of the screen. lts.conf adjustment suggestion?
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| 14:00 | <johnny> ltsp on whcih version?
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| 14:00 | <hipy> Thats at the paragraph abuot getting it
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| 14:01 | <johnny> err which distro version
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| 14:01 | <hipy> Now its a simple yes no question wich you seem to refuse to awnser....
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| 14:01 | do i have to create a dir that doesnt exist yes or no
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| 14:01 | i already have dnsmaq or how you write it
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| 14:01 | <PMantis> johnny: Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
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| 14:01 | <johnny> lts hmm.. i can't recall when this changed
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| 14:01 | but try CONFIGURE_X=F
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| 14:01 | <PMantis> Just F? :)
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| 14:01 | <johnny> N
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| 14:01 | whatever
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| 14:01 | False
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| 14:01 | doesn't matter
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| 14:02 | <PMantis> Ahh
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| 14:03 | <hipy> pffffff
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| 14:03 | <johnny> PMantis, we may have already defaulted to N/F by the, i can't recall
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| 14:03 | then*
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| 14:04 | <johnny> if that does nothing .. try forcing the x server module to vesa
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| 14:04 | <PMantis> johnny: Still "zoomed". It looks like it would be the right resolution, if I could shrink the display. Might need a custom modeline.
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> PMantis: zcat /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/lts-parameters.txt.gz | grep CONFIGURE
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> dare i say it, but essentially any non-true value functions as false for booleans :)
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> (to see if it's true or false the default)
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| 14:05 | <johnny> vagrantc, Y counts..
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| 14:05 | as true
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| 14:05 | <hipy> alkisg: why dont you want to awnser my question?
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> johnny: i didn't say otherwise
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| 14:06 | i think the officially supported values are case-insensitive y|true|yes
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| 14:06 | using other values may lead to unexpected results.
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| 14:06 | and false is any non-true value.
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| 14:07 | <johnny> CONFIGURE_X=WTF
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| 14:07 | is false :)
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> # match all cases of true|y|yes
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| 14:07 | [Tt][Rr][Uu][Ee]|[Yy]|[Yy][Ee][Ss]) return 0 ;;
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| 14:07 | <PMantis> lol
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> i think ldm implements it a little differently
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| 14:11 | <PMantis> I'll skip this for now.. probably be OK with a different monitor
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| 14:14 | <hipy> Great alkisg Great guide. How about your guide makes it doesnt work anymore....
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| 14:16 | idiot
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| 14:18 | * vagrantc chuckles | |
| 14:27 | * alkisg learned the irc ignore command :) | |
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| 14:33 | <cliebow> PMantis, Hey Steve!!!
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| 14:33 | <PMantis> cliebow: HI! Long time no see.
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| 14:34 | <cliebow> i know!
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| 14:35 | <cliebow> heck..missde connection with the Jam-Man
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| 14:35 | <dkostousov> Hi
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| 14:36 | <PMantis> cliebow: heh, jam's cool I get work with him often.
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| 14:36 | <dkostousov> I have solved my problem with HP ProCurve and ltsp.
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| 14:37 | "Jumbo frame" was enabled in the switch. Then nfs was started work well.
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| 14:37 | <PMantis> dkostousov: Gigabit NICs anywhere?
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| 14:38 | <dkostousov> Gigabit between server and switch. 100Mbit between switch and client
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| 14:39 | <PMantis> I heard of some nightmares around that, but they're rare.
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| 14:40 | <dkostousov> The HP Procurve 1700-24 has this option in the state "disabled".
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| 14:43 | <PMantis> cliebow: So how's the school?
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| 14:44 | <cliebow> it kind of sucks..i ve lost two ltsp labs
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| 14:44 | <PMantis> cliebow: Ugh, to what? windozze? :(
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| 14:44 | <cliebow> and money is even tighter than before..macbooks
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| 14:44 | macbooks everywhere and nary a drop t drink
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| 14:45 | i to maine laptop initiative
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| 14:45 | <PMantis> Ahh, right.
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| 14:45 | cliebow: I heard about that when I was out in .. uhm, 2004
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| 14:45 | Wow, has it been that long??
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| 14:45 | <cliebow> first thing they do is install updates and trash the thingf oggg
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| 14:46 | yeah forever
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| 14:46 | though we were in Montreal together
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| 14:46 | <PMantis> Probably there in 2005, too. Yeah, that was a BLAST!
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| 14:47 | Shuttleworth was singing with everyone 'till some wee hour. lool
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| 14:47 | <cliebow> kum bai yah and all that
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| 14:47 | <dkostousov> Have the ltsp something for printers plugged to some clients?
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| 14:47 | <cliebow> i was so tired i missed most of it
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| 14:48 | <dkostousov> I need to provide printing on there printers for all users on all clients.
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| 14:48 | <PMantis> dkostousov: LTSP clients work great as print servers. I can't take time right now, but lts.conf is where you add it.
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| 14:49 | <johnny> do you actually need something in lts.conf if you have printing elsewhere?
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| 14:49 | the lts.conf vars are for local printers
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| 14:49 | <PMantis> johnny: nope
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| 14:49 | <johnny> the other ones should work automatically in all cases
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| 14:49 | * PMantis nods | |
| 14:49 | <johnny> err
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| 14:49 | in all cases EXCEPT localapps :)
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| 14:49 | and then you need to install cups in the chroot iirc
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| 14:49 | <PMantis> heh
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| 14:50 | <cliebow> now have to punch the timeclock and go..ugh
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| 14:51 | <dkostousov> PMantis: where I can see example of lts.conf?
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| 14:52 | <PMantis> dkostousov: Example:
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| 14:52 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0
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| 14:52 | PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
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| 14:52 | <johnny> dkostousov, tha'ts for local printers
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| 14:53 | <PMantis> That causes a service to listen on port 9100, and allow others on the network to print to a printer that's physically connected to the thin clietn.
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| 14:53 | I'll let others take it from here.
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| 14:54 | <Lns> dkostousov, http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html is the LTSP admin manual if you haven't seen it yet - has that info as well as many (many) other infos. ;)
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| 14:55 | * PMantis just had a need to paste that into lts.conf for a client, too. | |
| 14:55 | * Lns just did too yesterday after replacing a thin client | |
| 14:56 | <Lns> Hey does anyone have a good solution for "global bookmarks" in Firefox? As in, all/selected users share bookmarks, or at least have a good bookmark repository?
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| 14:58 | <hipy> How did you fix that ubuntu loading freeze bug?
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| 15:03 | <Lns> hipy, if you want anyone to listen to you I suggest being a bit more polite here. I saw your conversations with others and that isn't acceptable in this chan. Ok?
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| 15:07 | <dkostousov> PMantis: thx for manual.
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| 15:15 | <elias_a> Good evening :)
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| 15:15 | If someone is awake I have a stupid question...
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| 15:15 | <Lns> elias_a, shoot
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| 15:16 | <elias_a> After installing the LTSP server how are changes in the server in the server OS reflected to the LTSP system?
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| 15:16 | <hipy> Lns, before i leave. You shoudnt say im not polite. That guy just refuses to simple awnsers yes or no and arogantly redirects me to a site in russian...
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| 15:16 | So what is here polite
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| 15:17 | anyway sorry. but i dont believe its all my fault.
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| 15:17 | <elias_a> If for example I change the default language of the OS will the change also take place in the LTSP system if I rebuild the boot image?
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| 15:18 | <hipy> johnny_
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| 15:18 | <Lns> hipy, I don't want you to try and justify anything, just listen to what I asked, please.
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| 15:18 | <hipy> How did you fix that loading bug? you said it earlier but i dropped
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| 15:18 | <johnny> yay.. nick changing works
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| 15:18 | <hipy> k
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| 15:18 | <Lns> ty
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| 15:18 | <johnny> hipy, i wasn't suggesting how to fix the bug, only how to see what it is
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| 15:18 | lots of things can cause that
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| 15:18 | <hipy> o, ok thanks anyway
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| 15:18 | ok
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| 15:19 | Well i gtg now
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| 15:19 | thanks
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| 15:19 | bye!
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| 15:19 | <Lns> elias_a, I think that's pretty much a user-defined variable (language) so it's per-user. I could be wrong though, and I think LDM (login manager) has it's own language settings as well. maybe someone else can chime in on that
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| 15:19 | bye hipy, good luck w/your install
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| 15:23 | <elias_a> Lns: Ok. How about updates? Is it enough that I just update the OS and rebuild the client?
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| 15:24 | It is a long time ago I last actually installed a LTSP system and I seem to have forgotten a lot :/
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| 15:31 | <Lns> elias_a, what's your distro?
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| 15:32 | In most cases you're probably ok with keeping your chroot but it's always a good idea to update.. for Ubuntu, for example, you can see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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| 15:34 | <elias_a> Lns: I am running Ubuntu.
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| 15:34 | Lns: Thank you - I will look into this :)
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| 15:34 | <Lns> elias_a, so yeah, look at the above url
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| 15:34 | np
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| 15:34 | <elias_a> Just what I needed :)
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| 16:20 | <Ahmuck-Sr> is there a way to display the same xsession on two terms?
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> Has anyone tried the ltsp client live cds from here? http://livecd.phys.ethz.ch/
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| 17:06 | <epsas> win 4
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| 17:06 | <johnny> 4 the win? :)
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| 17:36 | <ftherese> ok... after updating to the newest ppa from sgraber, I still get the same local usb printer error: device is busy... any ideas?
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| 22:10 | <zamba> anyone set up ltsp booting over http?
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| 22:10 | by using gpxe?
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| 22:10 | <johnny> no.. but it sounds easy
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| 22:11 | nobody bothers because that would mean relying on an http server
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| 22:11 | <zamba> that a big problem?
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| 22:11 | <johnny> for the default install yes
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| 22:11 | <zamba> how so?
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| 22:12 | <johnny> just that no distro would do it
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| 22:12 | if you wanna do it tho.. go for it
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| 22:13 | imo it would probably be a bit better than tftp tho..
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| 22:13 | as we can know the useragent, and perhaps the architecture of the sysystem
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| 22:13 | so no need for arch specific paths
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| 22:19 | <johnny> zamba, i've idled in this channel for over a year.. probably over 300 hours
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| 22:19 | never seen anybody really try to do it
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| 22:21 | <johnny> hmm 300 is kinda low now that i think about it..
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| 22:21 | * vagrantc thinks http would be a more sane default | |
| 22:21 | <johnny> not quite 24/7/365.. but something close ..
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| 22:22 | vagrantc, would be neat to see what is in the headers
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| 22:22 | i should try it sometime
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 22:22 | <johnny> the headers would be useful, as i mentioned.. we could possibly detect architecture
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> well, it can't be default, i guess, because PXE supports tftp.
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| 22:22 | or rather, doesn't support http
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| 22:23 | <johnny> yeah, you'd have to burn all your nics
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> you could chain-load gPXE via regular PXE by default, and do some crazy stuff.
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| 22:23 | <johnny> yes.. and/or chainload
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> but then we're back to the same problem.
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| 22:23 | having different images for different architectures
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| 22:23 | <alkisg> One way is to chainload gpxe from pxe
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| 22:23 | * vagrantc wonders if any hardware vendors will support gPXE out of the box | |
| 22:24 | <johnny> vagrantc, if they support coreboot :)
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| 22:24 | i bet those would :)
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| 22:24 | i'd love to have a laptop with coreboot
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| 22:24 | <alkisg> So with only 1 local tftp server, http booting could be done
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| 22:24 | <vagrantc> gpxe's the only one that works with coreboot, no?
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