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Channel log from 31 August 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:53 | <paase> moin,
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| 02:55 | I need help, my thinclient hav' a ATI Grafikcard, but it isn't load, looks like VESA
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| 02:56 | <Ryan52> so you want to force it to use a certain driver?
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| 02:56 | you can set XSERVER in your lts.conf
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| 02:57 | <paase> @ubuntu7.10 lts.con in /opt/ltsp or in /var/tftpboo/......
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| 02:57 | <Ryan52> I haven't a clue
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| 02:58 | updatedb && locate lts.conf
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| 02:58 | <paase> XSERVER=ati ?
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| 03:00 | <Ryan52> ya.
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| 03:01 | <paase> lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ and /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 03:01 | <Ryan52> it's in 2 of the places. nice. :|
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| 03:03 | <paase> [00:0b:6a:87:88:85]
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| 03:03 | XSERVER=ati
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| 03:08 | man,, my english is so teribal, how can i see is the module loaded
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| 03:09 | lsmod | grep ati shows nothing
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| 03:09 | <Nubae1> stgraber: I've installed edubuntu-docs
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| 03:09 | what should it be installing exactly and where?
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| 03:11 | <Ryan52> paase: thats not the kernel module
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| 03:11 | paase: thats the xorg driver
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| 03:11 | paase: so look in X logs, I guess...
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| 03:13 | <Nubae1> paase: actually, to update in realtime without having to redo the image, edit a file called lts.conf under /var/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 03:13 | and put the lines Ryan52 mentioned
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| 03:14 | that should be /var/lib/tftpboot/.....
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| 03:15 | <paase> ok, i've edited both in /opt/ltsp and in /var/lib/tftpb.... in Xorg.log is nothing about ati
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| 03:15 | <Nubae1> u checking local xorg
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| 03:15 | on the thin client itself?
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| 03:16 | <paase> who is the xorg.log on client?
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| 03:16 | <Nubae1> the lts.conf file must have [default] as the first line followed by carriage return
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| 03:16 | or will not work
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| 03:16 | just one of those things
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| 03:17 | under default put xserver=<x-driver-u-want>
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| 03:17 | u just need to resst
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| 03:17 | restart thin client
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| 03:18 | to make sure its being loaded... search the docs for how to set a second screen as terminal, so u can then login and check the logs
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| 03:19 | also, disable from /var/lib/tftpboot/..../pxelinux.cfg/default the lines that say quiet and splash
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| 03:19 | <Nubae1> should give u more info as the terminal loads uo
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| 03:19 | up
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| 03:19 | <paase> the pxe..conf is verbose, there is a small error before X starting
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| 03:20 | <Nubae1> what error?
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| 03:20 | <paase> @tty1 is module-detect i think is for the soundcard
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| 03:23 | c u later
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| 03:54 | <johnny> hmm.. who's about?
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| 07:19 | <higgo> hi all
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| 07:20 | anyone out there, can help out with a noob ltsp q?
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| 07:22 | hello????
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| 07:23 | <laga> just ask
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| 07:24 | <higgo> thanks
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| 07:24 | Problem: Client gets it ip... starts to boot fine and then hangs while booting
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| 07:24 | I am wondering if there is a log file I can look at... and/or any suggestions.
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| 07:26 | It hangs on the splash screen... Ubuntu 8.04
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| 07:27 | <laga> remove "quiet splash" in /var/lib/tftpboot/*/pxelinuc.xfg
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| 07:27 | remove "quiet splash" in /var/lib/tftpboot/*/pxelinux.cfg
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| 07:28 | <higgo> thanks... will give that a go, much appreciated.... But on a general note, does the server log the activity anywhere?
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| 07:28 | <laga> look around in /var/log, eg /var/log/daemon.log
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| 07:29 | <higgo> thanks... had a look through /var/log but didn't check daemon
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| 07:46 | hmmm.... I tried that still with no success, After booting for a while, processes starting, it seemed like it was about to start x and then presented with a blank screen... flashing cursor only :(, could it be that in the server I have a nvidia card installed, and it's compiled into the kernel and when the client boots it's trying to use those display drivers?
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| 08:27 | <petre> warren, ping
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| 09:32 | <warren> petre: pong
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| 09:33 | <petre> in the README, do we still need the step of deleting the link to the README from /etc/skel?
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| 09:34 | Is it in there so that the fedora user gets it upon bootup?
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| 09:36 | <warren> oh, since we will be installing it with a RPM, it would be
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| 09:36 | rpm -e packagename
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| 09:36 | <petre> won't that remove the README entirely?
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| 09:37 | <warren> yes
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| 09:38 | we can say "if you don't need this anymore, rpm -e"
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| 09:38 | <petre> is the fedora user created at boot time? Is that why the link is in /etc/skel in the first place?
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| 09:42 | <warren> fedora user exists only in runtime of the live image
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| 09:42 | not after the live image is installed
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| 09:43 | <petre> right; I'm just trying to understand why the link exists in /etc/skel in the first place
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| 09:44 | <warren> ah
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| 09:44 | /etc/skel contains stuff that is copied to a user's homedir when it is created.
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| 09:44 | so that's the only way we can make this appear on the Desktop
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| 09:44 | I can make the doc RPM remove itself from /usr/share/* and /etc/skel during removal.
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| 09:45 | <petre> so, the fedora user IS created when the live image is booted, right?
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| 09:46 | I think we ought to keep the readme, perhaps for root
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| 09:46 | but I haven't done a full install to disk yet
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| 09:47 | I just dislike the idea of throwing away any documentation for the user
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| 09:47 | <warren> well, after the user has done this process, what is left?
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| 09:47 | is this document still useful?
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| 09:48 | <petre> I think so.
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| 09:48 | <warren> petre: I suppose they don't need to uninstall the document. They could instead rm /etc/skel/Desktop/Whatever Name.desktop to prevent it from appearing on the desktops of all users.
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| 09:48 | <petre> right, I'll just leave that step in then.
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| 09:49 | so, the fedora user is created when the image boots the first time?
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| 09:52 | <warren> yes
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| 09:52 | but
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| 09:52 | <warren> there is no fedora user after install
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| 09:52 | <petre> the install is just a regular install plus the ltsp bits, right?
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| 09:58 | <warren> yes
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| 09:59 | petre: and the /opt/ltsp/i386 that is built during creation of the live image
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| 10:00 | In other news
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| 10:01 | We have come to an agreement to purchase k12linux.* at an undisclosed price.
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| 10:01 | Fedora Art team is working on a few possibilities for a new K12Linux logo and LDM theme.
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| 10:01 | <petre> cool!
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| 10:01 | <warren> I've seen hand drawn mockups
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| 10:01 | the list will see a few options soon
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| 10:05 | let's see
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| 10:05 | other news...
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| 10:05 | November 6th is the next hackfest in Maine
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| 10:06 | <petre> November 6? woohoo! Much easier for me to make!
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| 10:06 | <warren> Eric Harrison and I are going to Japan for October 18th
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| 10:06 | <petre> also, hotel is cheaper
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| 10:06 | <warren> yes, cheaper
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| 10:06 | although transportation to get there kind of sucks
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| 10:06 | lots and lots of driving
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| 10:06 | <petre> that's the case no matter the date
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| 10:07 | I think it's only 2-3 hours from Bangor, right?
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| 10:07 | <warren> something like that
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| 10:07 | I'm driving up from BOS
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| 10:07 | because I live near BOS
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| 10:08 | <petre> oh, right; when you mentioned Eric, my frame of reference shifted to the west coast
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> it's only about 50 minutes from Bangor
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| 10:09 | 3hrs from portland ME
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| 10:09 | 5 hrs from boston
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| 10:09 | <petre> jammcq, will you drive from MI?
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> not sure yet
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| 10:09 | i've gone it a couple times
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| 10:10 | <warren> how long is the drive from MI?
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> from home to SW Harbor is something like 12 hrs
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| 10:10 | <warren> hmm you know what
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> but I have a customer in rochester NY that I can stop at
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| 10:10 | <warren> I didn't ask for a budget for this November hackfest
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| 10:10 | hmm
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> budget?
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| 10:10 | how much budget do you need?
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| 10:11 | <warren> only a few hundred
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| 10:11 | I just realized I forgot. Like they will give it to me.
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| 10:11 | Likely
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| 10:12 | <petre> has the hotel been notified?
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| 10:13 | <jammcq> petre: yeah, we haven't confirmed the exact dates, but they know we're coming
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| 10:14 | <petre> well, Nov. 6 is a much better weekend for me than Oct. 30
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| 10:15 | <warren> i'm glad it is after the general election
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| 10:15 | I'll be done partying after the huge Green party victory.
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| 10:16 | <petre> yes, I get my wife back after the election, she's gone a lot in the weeks right beforehand
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| 10:17 | warren, what's in Japan, besides the Japanese I mean
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| 10:17 | ?
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| 10:19 | <warren> petre: launch of a pilot project, potentially 20k thin clients
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| 10:19 | <petre> wow
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| 10:19 | <Nubae> 20k thin clients... niiice
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| 10:19 | <petre> in schools? or public? or business?
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| 10:20 | <warren> yes.
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| 10:20 | mostly schools
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| 10:20 | some public places
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| 10:20 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=444552
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| 10:20 | <Nubae> thats really good news, anywhere one can follow the progress?
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| 10:20 | <warren> Aside from that other stuff, I really hope we can fix this bug before the release of K12Linux.
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| 10:21 | Nubae: not really, and this is a tiny deployment compared to Debian LTSP in Spain, hundreds of thousands.
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| 10:21 | Nubae: there are already a few thousand scattered around America
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| 10:21 | <Nubae> eh.... where in Spain? As I live there
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| 10:22 | I've done a tiny rollout in comparison, 200 thin clients... but its been sort of a pilot, leading to other stuff
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| 10:22 | <warren> Sadly the people responsible for that component are uninterested in working on it.
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| 10:22 | <Nubae> in Southern Spain
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| 10:22 | <warren> Nubae: hmm.... I don't know the details too well. vagrant knows.
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| 10:23 | <Nubae> warren: I've started ripping apart the old edubuntu handbook and making it OS independent
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| 10:23 | <warren> are you working with that ltsp doc team?
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| 10:23 | a new launchpad group was created
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| 10:23 | <Nubae> not to difficult, but would need some help on the fedora specifics
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| 10:23 | <warren> people interested to work on it should probably talk with each other
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| 10:23 | do you actually use fedora?
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| 10:23 | <Nubae> well, so far I found no action
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| 10:24 | so just went ahead and am working without launchpad
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| 10:24 | yes... am responsible for part of XS server
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| 10:24 | for the xos
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| 10:24 | not LTSP unfortunately... but know fedora 7 and 9 quite well as a consequence
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| 10:25 | ^^ XS server = OLPC
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| 10:25 | <Nubae> anyway, I started looking for an official way to publish something in terms of documentation via launchpad
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| 10:26 | but its a mess...
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| 10:26 | theres edubuntu cookbook, handbook, ltsp docs
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| 10:26 | also, I haven't seen ANY action in terms of documentation for months... but correct me if I'm wrong and point me in the right direction please
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| 10:27 | <warren> um..
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| 10:27 | are you on ltsp-developer list?
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| 10:27 | you might want to ask
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| 10:27 | <petre> jammcq, you mentioned a few years ago that someone was working on a dead trees book for ltsp; was that the TuxLab folks in South Africa or someone else?
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| 10:28 | <warren> Nubae: there is no suitable thing going on, you might need to JUST DO IT
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| 10:28 | <Nubae> ah... one question... does Red Hat offer paid support for LTSP?
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| 10:28 | <warren> Nubae: no.
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| 10:28 | <Nubae> thats what I´m doing
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| 10:28 | once its done, Ill upload and we can always merge with other stuff if it exists
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| 10:28 | but thzis needs doing now
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| 10:28 | at least for my project
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| 10:29 | hmm... what about Novell?
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| 10:29 | is it just Canonical?
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| 10:29 | <warren> Nubae: could you please ask this stuff later? we're trying to do our fedora meeting.
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| 10:29 | <Nubae> ok, sorry...
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| 10:30 | <warren> So is anyone aware of other bugs we need to fix to make Fedora LTSP5 fully in parity with Ubuntu?
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| 10:31 | <petre> sound still doesn't work on my Dell Latitude clients, but I haven't looked at the problem for a few weeks
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| 10:32 | I can't remember if Ubuntu has the same problem or not
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| 10:32 | I mention it just as a heads up on some sound chips not being automatically recognized
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| 10:33 | <warren> I have seen a few sound chips where it didn't work
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| 10:34 | petre: does plain fedora sound work on that box?
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| 10:34 | petre: sound not working would be kernel bugs, not LTSP
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| 10:34 | <petre> on the Latitude? I think so
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| 10:35 | had to twiddle a bit in ltsp 4.2 to get it to work
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| 10:36 | sbalneaves & gadi helped me with that a year or two ago
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| 10:36 | <warren> I'd hate to disappoint, but when I say "bugs" I pretty much exclude individual chip problems
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| 10:36 | I'm talking about problems that effect everyone
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| 10:36 | what you are describing is most definitely a problem with the kernel itself
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| 10:37 | <petre> right, and since I haven't done the necessary homework on the problem I hesitate to bring it up, but just thought I'd mention it
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| 10:37 | <warren> OK, I need to get back to work.
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| 10:38 | well.. first food
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| 11:08 | <jammcq> petre: which model latitude are you having trouble with?
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| 13:04 | <petre> jammcq, I've got a few different models, mostly C600 I think
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| 13:04 | P3s, 600-900mhz
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| 13:04 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 13:05 | i've got a D630 that's been nothing but trouble
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| 13:06 | but that's not using LTSP. just trying to use ubuntu-hardy in general
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| 13:06 | <petre> as I recall from 4.2, the kernel recognized it, but then there was a file in etc/ that mislabeled it pci wise
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| 13:06 | (which is probably so vague a description as to be useless)
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> yeah, my problem is I need my laptop for work, I don't have a lot of troubleshooting time
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| 13:06 | <warren> I don't knmow about 4.2
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| 13:06 | but modern fedora relies entirely on kernel
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| 13:06 | nothing in /etc
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| 13:07 | <petre> yeah, 4.2 was a custom kernel for the clients, so to speak
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> but even out in portland, when I booted fedora on my laptop, it had strange bhaviour
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| 13:08 | so yesterday, I went back to Gutsy and so far, it's back to working normally
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| 13:08 | problem is, it takes a long time to move into a laptop setup, getting all the packages installed and configured just the way you want it
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| 13:08 | <warren> I dunno, we are really close to the upstream kernel
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| 13:08 | Oh
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| 13:09 | <petre> I run Hardy at work but find it is less stable overall than gutsy
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| 13:09 | <warren> Debian/Ubuntu uses weird non-upstream means to detect X stuff
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> I suspect it's X things, not kernel
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| 13:09 | <warren> I don't know if their kernel does something different
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> so, I'll hang back a release and check out intrepid when it's released
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| 13:09 | or maybe fedora 10
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| 13:10 | <warren> I'm sure both will be equally bad
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| 13:10 | or good
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| 13:10 | or both
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| 13:10 | <petre> warren, do you know when the next rhel is due out?
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| 13:10 | <warren> petre: not my department
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> i'm pretty sure it's not a hardware problem, cuz my daughter has exactly the same laptop and I swapped harddrives, and the problem followed
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| 13:10 | <warren> you can kind of guess based upon the past releases?
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| 13:11 | <petre> right, but I can't remember when 5 came out
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| 13:11 | <warren> what device has trouble?
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| 13:11 | <jammcq> video and mouse
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| 13:11 | <warren> might be related to almost none of the RH engineers having Dell
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| 13:11 | because Dell makes terrible machines
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| 13:11 | <jammcq> video locks up
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| 13:11 | i've always loved my dells
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| 13:11 | <warren> we're pretty much exclusively IBM/Lenovo
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| 13:12 | <petre> I've had decent luck with Dells
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| 13:12 | <warren> newer Dell laptops are less bad
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| 13:12 | <petre> When I worked at Nextel we ran RHEL on Compaqs tho, company standard
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| 13:12 | <warren> but they were freaking disasters back at my previous job
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| 13:12 | <jammcq> this one is like 9 months old
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| 13:12 | <warren> we had hundreds of them in three models across 6 years
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| 13:12 | NONE of them were reliable
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| 13:12 | we had to ship dozens of them back every month
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| 13:13 | <jammcq> my experience before this one has been VERY bood
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| 13:13 | <petre> we had a problem with some Dell servers years ago, so the CIO banned them from the data center
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| 13:13 | <jammcq> and my servers are all dell
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| 13:13 | and i'm quite happy with them
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| 13:13 | <petre> but I've always had good luck with Dells
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| 13:14 | <petre> seem less proprietary than Compaqs
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| 13:14 | wireless linux on Compaq laptops never seems to work
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| 13:15 | <warren> oh yes, Compaqs were worse.
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| 13:16 | <petre> last three laptops I've bought have been Toshibas, seem to work well
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| 13:16 | Intel chips, so wireless and video work, not as flashy perhaps as nvidea chips, but no proprietary drivers needed
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| 13:17 | <stgraber> hmm, most of newer HP Compaq are 100% intel and certified for Linux
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| 13:17 | <petre> including laptops?
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| 13:18 | <stgraber> only thing that's not Intel in my current lappy is the video card that's ATI but that's because I asked for it :)
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| 13:18 | my previous lappy (NX7400) was 100% intel
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| 13:18 | <petre> how about wireless?
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| 13:18 | brb
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| 13:18 | <jammcq> my dell is all intel
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| 13:18 | <stgraber> intel 3945 for my previous lappy, intel 4965abgn for my current
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| 13:26 | <petre> warren, when you're testing the live iso, are you using some sort of virtual machine?
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| 13:26 | <warren> petre: generally not, but it did work in one test
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| 13:26 | petre: I haven't rebuilt the ISO since Beta1 since we still haven't got fedora updates pushing yet. likely will fix that in the next day or two.
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| 13:27 | <petre> I sometime boot it under qemu, but networking doesn't seem to work right
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| 13:27 | sometimes
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| 13:28 | <warren> you need some manual (and not easy) configuration to make networking work in that scenario
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| 13:30 | <petre> eth0 gets a 10.0.2.2 address, with a gw of 10.0.2.1, but nothing is connected to the machines real ethernet interfaces
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| 13:31 | so I can take screenshots, but I can't get them out of the machine :-(
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| 13:31 | have to boot from the usb stick for that
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| 13:31 | I was just looking for an easier way
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| 13:34 | <warren> petre: look at how ltsp-vmclient works
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| 13:34 | petre: you can use similar qemu syntax to connect the qemu to a bridge
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| 13:34 | petre: you can then scp stuff from it
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| 13:35 | <petre> tx, I'll have a look
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| 15:18 | <johnny> hi
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| 15:18 | so who is really familiar with pulseaudio here?
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| 15:19 | if i have pulseaudio as started by ltsp-init-common, should i be able to be in the local console and be able to say.. play a file with mpg123 ?
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| 16:25 | <johnny> did somebody answer my pulse question before?
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| 16:28 | <cmoo92> no
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| 16:45 | <johnny> this channel is not as useful on the weekends
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| 16:45 | most people have dayjobs..
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| 17:18 | <cmoo92> silly people.
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| 23:00 | <doesnotexist> is there a documentation of ltsp in fedora?
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| 23:25 | <cyberorg> johnny, see the variables i required to play sound from localapp
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| 23:25 | on the ML few days back
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| 23:29 | <johnny> huh?
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| 23:29 | i don't have a log of what i said?
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| 23:30 | <cyberorg> " if i have pulseaudio as started by ltsp-init-common, should i be able to be in the local console and be able to say.. play a file with mpg123 ?"
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| 23:30 | <johnny> aha
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| 23:30 | that one
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| 23:31 | that's more than a few days..
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| 23:31 | * johnny uses the web interface | |
| 23:32 | <johnny> sf == slow
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| 23:32 | <cyberorg> i think i sent a patch for that
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| 23:32 | <johnny> a patch for sf?
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| 23:32 | lol
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| 23:33 | <cyberorg> xrexecd.sh-audio-fix.patch
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| 23:34 | http://pastebin.com/d2e691308
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| 23:35 | <johnny> uhmm.. i was not explicit enough
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| 23:36 | or did i not mention ?
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| 23:36 | that i was trying to do this in no way related to xrexecd
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| 23:37 | <cyberorg> you want to play sound locally from a local console?
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| 23:37 | <johnny> yes
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| 23:37 | well.. more so.. i was just asking if that should work
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| 23:37 | i tried, and i got permission errors..
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| 23:37 | <cyberorg> so try "PULSE_SERVER=tcp:127.0.0.1:4713 ESPEAKER=127.0.0.1:160001 someplayer"
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| 23:37 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 23:38 | <cyberorg> it did not work for me without that
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| 23:39 | ogra mentioned that it should work even without it, but on my set up it doesnt
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| 23:42 | <johnny> cyberorg, perhaps that is because you don't have that in your local env but ubuntu does?
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| 23:42 | it seems i don't have that environment var set
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| 23:42 | <cyberorg> johnny, yes possibly, i should add that to /etc/profile
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| 23:43 | <johnny> well.. should the distro do it? or should ltsp, i guess that is the question
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| 23:44 | <cyberorg> well pa setup in client is not exactly distro thing, it should work using local unix socket instead of these variables
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| 23:56 | <johnny> well.. distros often work around problems in upstream programs to make things easier for users iirc? :)
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