IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 December 2006 (all times are UTC)
| 00:04 | <markit> Empiric: I don't know, I'm not an expert, just curiosity... "some of my thinclients".... are them different in hardware / config?
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| 00:04 | <Empiric> ya
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| 00:04 | they are
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| 00:04 | basiacally are of them r local machine
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| 00:05 | machines
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| 00:05 | its only 3
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| 00:05 | any idea how i fix them
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| 00:05 | i have defined X_MODE_0= 800x600
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| 00:06 | X_MODE_1=1024x768
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| 00:06 | but no use
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| 00:06 | how i check my thinclients are reading lts.conf
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| 00:09 | <markit> I've no idea, sorry
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| 00:09 | what about not setting it at all? should find the best resolution automatically
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| 00:09 | but what do you mean with "blinking"?
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| 00:10 | the image is ok but is going on and off? or is distorced / ruined?
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| 00:12 | or check a good value pair for the X_HORZSYNC parameter
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| 00:13 | or you can force the video chipset, if it does not recognize it automatically, like with XSERVER = via
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| 00:13 | if you have a via one (or ati...)
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| 00:13 | I mean, if you have ati, write "ati" instead :)
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| 00:14 | in any case, the X-Window SERVER is run on the client side, so google to find how to see how to know what setting is it using
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| 00:23 | <Empiric> yes its going on nad off
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| 00:23 | can u hhave exact things whete i put X_HORXSYNC
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| 00:27 | <markit> what do you mean? look at your monitor hardware specifications
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| 00:28 | if you are asking me what values use
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| 00:28 | Empiric: where are you from? are you an asterisk pbx expert?
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| 00:33 | <Quintin> is there an LTSP client that runs on top of win32?
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| 00:36 | markit: blinkenlights! woot
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| 00:38 | <markit> Quintin: blinkenlights ?
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| 00:38 | <Quintin> markit: blinkenlights!
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| 00:38 | <Empiric> hai
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| 00:38 | <Quintin> Empiric: hi2u
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| 00:38 | <Empiric> why u r asking that?
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| 00:44 | markit
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| 00:44 | ?
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| 00:50 | <markit> Empiric: because I have troubles understanding your english, and because I see "asterisk" in your irc signature
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| 00:51 | <Empiric> ok
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| 00:51 | i have some thinclients
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| 00:52 | <markit> yes, you told me
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| 01:00 | wondering if Empiric is a secret agent, that can't answer my previous questions...
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| 01:00 | <Empiric> which when boot starts bliking
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| 01:01 | well sory i was on phone
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| 01:01 | where i put X_HORIZSYNC
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| 01:02 | <markit> well, where are the other X options for that specific client
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| 01:02 | of course in lts.conf
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| 01:05 | like
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| 01:05 | [ws008]
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| 01:05 | # ATI Card with ViewSonic P815 21" monitor running at 1800x1440
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| 01:05 | #
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| 01:05 | X_MODE_0 = 1800x1440 250 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync
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| 01:05 | X_HORZSYNC = 30-115
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| 01:05 | X_VERTREFRESH = 50-160
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| 01:05 | or better sampel for an LCD
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| 01:05 | [ws009]
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| 01:05 | #
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| 01:05 | # 17" flat panel. Had to add the X_HORZSYNC, otherwise it would do only 1280x960
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| 01:05 | #
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| 01:05 | X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024
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| 01:05 | X_HORZSYNC = "60-70"
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| 01:06 | (info taken from internet, or from some other ltsp documentation, don't remember)
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| 01:11 | <Empiric> i have 15' LCD
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| 01:12 | hai i have no entries in /etc/hosts
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| 01:17 | so what i do
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| 01:27 | <markit> get an installation guide, I'm not expert, and to be sincere, is long time I don't look at ltsp
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| 01:28 | but don't think that /etc/hosts is needed
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| 01:28 | and don't know how it could be related with your video blinking, no?
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| 01:28 | if you specify IP in your configs, hosts is not necessary, I guess
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| 01:35 | <Quintin> so, I got this ltsp-server thingie installed
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| 01:35 | is there a LiveCD with the client?
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| 01:36 | <markit> Quintin: to boot? you need a PXE or whatever boot rom in your ethernet adapter, or prepare a floppy boot, as far as I remember
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| 01:37 | better check the documentation :)
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| 01:37 | <Quintin> markit: ewwwwwwwww I just want it to werk :P
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| 01:37 | there is some PXE crap when I power up this computer
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| 01:40 | <markit> if you have correctly configured dhcp, it should find it and load the OS from the ltsp server
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| 01:40 | and boot
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| 01:40 | dhcp on the server side,of course
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| 01:46 | <Quintin> duhhhh
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| 01:46 | I have a diff box that is dhcp server...
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| 01:53 | hum
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| 01:53 | couldn't a livecd using remote X login replace all this ltsp stuff? :P
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| 01:56 | <neuralis> Quintin: sure, if you want to manage 50 cd-rom drives and 50 cds for your 50 terminals.
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| 01:58 | <Quintin> neuralis: cd's never fail. unless you do something dumb like put a bunch of stickers on one side. cd-roms almost never fail
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| 01:58 | er, cds, not "cd's", oops
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| 01:58 | <vagrantc> Quintin: CDs fail *way* more often than boot roms.
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| 01:59 | most network cards support PXE these days- it's a simple matter of turning it on.
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| 01:59 | <Quintin> my test client box supports PXE, yes
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| 02:00 | but why setup all these services etc.. when I can just boot a livecd and login with x.. seems to be more work
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| 02:00 | <vagrantc> anything that is easily removable will be removed. and people will want to put their audio CDs in, and wonder why everything stopped working...
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| 02:00 | Quintin: if you think it's easier with a livecd, implement it with a livecd :P
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| 02:01 | i'll stick to network boot, thank you very much.
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| 02:01 | <Quintin> so how well does something like playing a movie work with this?
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| 02:03 | Not Found
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| 02:03 | The requested URL /documentation/index.php was not found on this server.
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| 02:03 | lame! :\
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| 02:05 | the prices on some of these 'thin clients' are enough to buy a whole regular PC
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| 02:07 | <vagrantc> are they the fanless kind?
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| 02:07 | <Quintin> nope
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| 02:07 | <vagrantc> tend not to break down as much without any moving parts.
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| 02:11 | <Quintin> hmmm
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| 02:11 | maybe you are all crazy :p
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| 02:12 | <vagrantc> yeah. thousands of happy users can only be wrong.
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| 02:13 | <Quintin> all depends on what you are doing
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| 02:13 | probably more useful for 100 seat net than 10 seat
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| 02:13 | <vagrantc> i tend to find the usefulness at about 3 seats, myself.
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| 02:15 | as it's essentially one computer.
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| 02:15 | <Quintin> you didn't answer my question.. how is playing video .. ??
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| 02:16 | can something like that be done effectively? or is there too much network overhead ?
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| 02:16 | <vagrantc> video can be hard if you're using encrypted connections. sometimes the remote sound gets messed up. but you can also run movies using local applications.
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| 02:17 | like many things, it depends
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| 02:17 | <Quintin> local applications?!
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| 02:18 | <vagrantc> yes- running some or all of the applications on the local hardware, rather than the server.
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| 02:18 | <Quintin> that sort of defeats the purpose doesn't it? can that be automated? the making applications local bit
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| 02:20 | <vagrantc> if all the machines are using the same root filesystem, you only still are essentially managing one installation for however many seats.
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| 02:20 | and what do you mean by automated?
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| 02:20 | <Quintin> well the clients don't have disks.. so how can the app run locally?
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| 02:21 | <vagrantc> the same way they run at all.. over the network.
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| 02:21 | <Quintin> I'm lost :)
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| 02:21 | <vagrantc> but the applicaion is using the local machines CPU and RAM.
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| 02:22 | but the filesystem is over the network.
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| 02:22 | does that clear it up?
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| 02:22 | <Quintin> sort of. how would you make the app use local resources instead of server resources?
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| 02:22 | <vagrantc> there are numerous ways to set it up.
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| 02:23 | <Quintin> here is a probably very silly question
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| 02:23 | <vagrantc> the simplest, is to just run all the applications locally, and just have your server be a file server.
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| 02:24 | <Quintin> mmhm..
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| 02:24 | here is question showing my ignorance, eh :P
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| 02:24 | * vagrantc waits only slightly patiently | |
| 02:24 | <Quintin> let's say you have app xyz, that uses 16m of core. 100 users have it open .. server uses 1600m of ram?
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| 02:25 | <vagrantc> only if it's a very poorly written program.
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| 02:25 | <Quintin> well I made it, so.....
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| 02:25 | <vagrantc> most programs in linux use shared memory
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| 02:25 | <Quintin> but let's say it's GAIM. or k3b. or or or .. firefox
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| 02:25 | or opera. that's a good one
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| 02:26 | <vagrantc> it varies widely, but generally each additional instance of an application is only an additional 5-20% RAM used.
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| 02:27 | <Quintin> mmm
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| 02:27 | to do a basic network boot... there is transfer of like 5m or so, ja? in setup as you describe, to have all things run locally and have the server used only as file server.. how much data is transferred when booting?
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| 02:28 | <vagrantc> though firefox is prone to wasting lots of memory ...
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| 02:28 | <Quintin> firefox on linux = sux
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| 02:29 | <vagrantc> hmmm... well, a traditional thin-client eats maybe 5-20MB at boot.
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| 02:30 | but if you start to add applications running locally, it will entirely vary based on the size of the application.
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| 02:30 | <Quintin> can you recommend any thinstations with usb and cdrom or dvdrom?
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| 02:31 | <vagrantc> i generally just use recycled equipment
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| 02:31 | so i don't have a lot of recommendations for buying stuff.
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| 02:31 | <Quintin> mmm
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| 02:31 | what kind of setups have you done with ltsp?
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| 02:31 | <vagrantc> i know disklessworkstations.com actually supports ltsp development pretty directly.
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| 02:33 | <Quintin> mmm
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| 02:33 | ?!
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| 02:33 | <vagrantc> my main installation was done at freegeek ... about 20-50 machines at a time. though that was all using lessdisks, which is very similar. i've started merging my efforts into ltsp.
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| 02:34 | we also did small 3-terminal installs at coffee shops and stuff.
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| 02:34 | i did a small computer lab at a school
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| 02:34 | <vagrantc> i know in norway, there are schools with hundreds of computers running ltsp
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| 02:35 | and there's telecentres in brazil with many seats as well.
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| 02:43 | <vagrantc> Quintin: well, i hope ltsp works well for you, despite your doubts. or that you find something that works better for you.
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| 02:43 | i'm off to sleep.
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| 02:46 | <a1> I am trying to configure LTSP Server on a Knoppix Live CD. I started the
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| 02:46 | knoppix-terminalserver
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| 02:46 | And when it comes to Checking DHCP Connection it fails
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| 02:46 | It says
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| 02:46 | Sending DHCP broadcast from device eth0 Operation failed
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| 02:46 | I start the client using Etherboot Floppy
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| 02:46 | It Says Searching for Server(DHCP).... NO IP Address
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| 02:46 | .No IP Address
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| 02:46 | .No IP Address
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| 02:46 | .No IP Address
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| 02:46 | I have connected bothe the pc with LAN cable with no router/hub in between
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| 02:46 | Please Help me how to configure the same
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| 02:46 | I am new to this process
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| 02:46 | Thanks in advance
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| 02:46 | CSJakharia
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| 03:15 | <a1> I have certain Problems facing My problem is listed at http://pastebin.com/837416 Can anyone help me solve the problem?
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| 10:05 | <efra> Hi everybody
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| 10:27 | <surferdude> Hm... I figured out why my ltsp server wasnt working but now i'm trying to do somthing else, but dont know how
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| 10:28 | I'm trying to use LTSP as a Point of Sale server.
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| 10:28 | <chupacabra> im looking for some gpl POS software
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| 10:29 | <surferdude> ditto, i'm going to try and code one myself
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| 10:29 | <chupacabra> k that is what I been thinking after grokking about
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| 10:29 | but first, naptime
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| 10:30 | <surferdude> what i want to be able to do is when a client connects to the server and logs in, i want to be able to connect to their X screen
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| 10:31 | i know theres a way to do it on the server
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| 11:38 | <aa> Can anyone solve my LTSP problem?
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| 11:39 | <str4nd> Maybe.
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| 11:39 | (TODO: Ask.)
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| 11:39 | my crystal ball was broken last night
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| 11:40 | <aa> I am trying to configure LTSP Server on a Knoppix Live CD. I started the knoppix-terminalserver
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| 11:40 | And when it comes to Checking DHCP Connection it fails It says
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| 11:40 | Sending DHCP broadcast from device eth0 Operation failed
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| 11:40 | I start the client using Etherboot Floppy It Says Searching for Server(DHCP).... NO IP Address
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| 11:40 | Well The DHCP itself fails
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| 11:41 | What can be the reason?
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| 11:41 | <vagrantc> does etherboot find the network card?
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| 11:42 | <aa> yes It finds the network card
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| 11:42 | as if the LAN wire is not attached to the Other PC it gives error saying cable wire problem
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> any log messages on the knoppix machine?
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| 11:42 | /var/log/syslog
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| 11:42 | or other files in /var/log/
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| 11:43 | is the dhcp server running on the knoppix machine? ps aux | egrep -i dhcp
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| 11:43 | <aa> well on the server it says "Sending DHCP broadcast from device eth0 Operation failed"
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| 11:46 | actually i tried this at my office and I am using this bot from Residence and so can't say the output of the command
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| 11:46 | The entire problem is listed at http://pastebin.ca/264710 Can you provide me the various ways to solve the same
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> knoppix terminal server is weird. i'm not real familiar with it, but i don't think it's even really LTSP
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| 11:50 | <aa> it is ltsp
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> aa: this is just a guess, but try a new network card on the server? or a new switch/hub?
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| 11:50 | i think it may be *like* ltsp, but i'm pretty sure it is not ltsp.
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| 11:51 | <aa> I am not connecting this to any hub/switch I am connecting it directly from the PC to PC
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| 11:51 | and in the knoppix you can try ltspconfig and ltspadmin
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> with a crossover cable?
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| 11:51 | oh, perhaps i was mistaken, then.
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| 11:51 | <aa> yes I think so as I had used the same cable for Windows to Windows networking
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> it used to be it's own weird thing.
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| 11:52 | so, i have demonstrated that i really know nothing about knoppix terminal server. :)
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| 14:10 | <mighty-d> Hi, im having some problems with sound, can you help me?
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| 14:23 | <PMantis> err 100Mb
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| 18:55 | <gargula2005> hello. Does anyone know if kernel 2.6.17 already come with Boot splash implemented or do I need to re-compile Kernel to do it? Thanks
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> you'll need to recompile or use a user-space bootsplash alternative.
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| 18:57 | <gargula2005> user-space? The best I could do was a boot splash during bizintroimage charge, but it disapears when kernel starts.
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| 19:05 | <vagrantc> the user-space tools i know about are called usplash and splashy. pretty debian/ubuntu-specific.
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| 19:06 | <gargula2005> humm ... I am using SuSe?!
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| 19:16 | <gargula2005> Thanks Vagrantc!
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| 19:18 | <vagrantc> i try :)
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| 19:31 | <PMantis> Anyone here familiar with upstart?
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| 19:31 | <vagrantc> only in the sense that it sounds cool.
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| 19:32 | <PMantis> heh
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| 19:33 | <cliebow> PMantis:Just a howdy!
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| 19:33 | <PMantis> hi cliebow
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| 19:33 | <cliebow> what are you working on?
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| 19:34 | <PMantis> My LTSP server is now a fresh install of Edgy, except using LDAP auth.
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| 19:35 | However, upstart brings up udev before slapd - causes udev to hang for a *long* time, and other headaches before I can *finaly* get a console and start them in the right order.
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| 19:35 | <cliebow> oh yeah..there have been some bug reports..
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| 19:36 | one way is to do a soft
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| 19:36 | err
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| 19:36 | <PMantis> So far, I've received no response in #ubuntu, and many comments in #ltsp - even if it's just to say 'Hi'.
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| 19:36 | ...typical. :)
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> ubuntu's so easy to use, it must be user error.
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| 19:37 | <cliebow> i just went thru this in edgy..with ldap
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| 19:37 | soft
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| 19:37 | hell cant remember
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| 19:37 | lemme lok
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| 19:39 | bind_policy soft in /etc/libnss-ldap.conf
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| 19:40 | udev may also faial
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| 19:41 | <PMantis> vagrantc, Thanks for the vote of confidence. :)
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| 19:42 | <cliebow> libnnss-ldap is def a major stumbler
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| 19:42 | <PMantis> I never made that change to the school server
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| 19:42 | Both were scratch edgy installs
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| 19:43 | Wonder what the difference is.
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| 19:44 | <cliebow> i know just what you mean..it never bothered my laptop
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| 19:45 | anyway...i can look in my server upstairs if you need a cross chevk on anything
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| 19:46 | #edubuntu is SO much more useful
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| 19:48 | oh yeah the other hack was to addd a user nvram
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| 19:48 | oh yeah the other hack was to addd a group nvram
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| 19:48 | sorry
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| 19:48 | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libnss-ldap/+bug/67404
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| 19:52 | <PMantis> heh
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| 19:52 | thanks, I'll look
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| 19:57 | Well, I'll change to soft for now - school server is not plugged in so I can get at it.
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| 19:58 | Can't test right now though - wife using a thin client.
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| 19:58 | :-)
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| 20:56 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 20:57 | <cliebow> Dad!!
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| 21:04 | <PMantis> jammcq,
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| 21:04 | <jammcq> hey
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| 21:15 | <rjune> hey jim
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| 21:15 | how was dinner?
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| 21:18 | <chupacabra> what you eat?
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| 21:24 | <jammcq> rjune: dinner was great. steak burritos
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| 21:25 | <rjune> we just got back from cracker barrel
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| 21:31 | <chupacabra> cool
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| 21:40 | <rjune> oh yea
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| 22:56 | <bintut> anyone here tried sun ray 170 as thin clients to ltsp?
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