IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 October 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> bennabiy: here?
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| 12:43 | <bcg> Is there a specific reason why LTSP (rhel branch anyway) uses old initd-scripts and not NetworkManager?
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| 12:45 | ...initd-scripts for networking...
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| 12:45 | <ogra_> the network setup is done from the initramfs during boot ... based on PXE data ... i doubt you can easily make NM work in initrd's yet unless you want to end up with a really big initrd
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| 12:46 | (beyond this , i think the fedora LTSP branches have been unmaintained for years now)
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| 12:47 | <bcg> initramfs yes, dhclient is used there. but after that, especially on reboot init.d/network will be called to bring eth down.
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| 12:47 | <ogra_> (and there has never been an actual RHEL one)
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| 12:48 | <bcg> not official, but take a look at https://git.launchpad.net/~bcgss/ltsp/+git/ltsp-rhel7/
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| 12:50 | <ogra_> ah, i didnt know about that branch ... better ask that person then :)
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| 12:50 | <bcg> that would be me.
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| 12:51 | and I'm asking here why this design choice.
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> bcg: in Debian/Ubuntu, we write "manual" in /etc/network/interfaces to prohibit ifupdown and network-manager from re-initializing the interface, thus breaking the connection
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| 12:54 | <bcg> yes, but what about other network interfaces? not supported?
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> network-manager can manage all other network interfaces as usual, we don't touch that part
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| 12:54 | E.g. if the ltsp client needs to access wifis or VPNs, it can do so
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| 12:58 | <bcg> I see, it's only removed on thin client, not on fat.
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| 12:59 | (client/Debian/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/50-rm-system-services for example)
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> Yes, just to save ram
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| 13:54 | <bennabiy> alkisg: here now
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| 13:55 | about to reinstall lab this morning, so I will be here and gone. let me know now if you need me for something
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> bennabiy: ah if you're reinstalling the problem will probably go away, no need to troubleshoot it :)
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| 14:21 | <bennabiy> We will see :)
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| 14:21 | alkisg: thank you for getting back to me
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| 14:22 | alkisg: has there been any response to the bounty efforts at all?
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| 14:22 | I saw the note you put out on the developer list
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I didn't upload it yet, I'm checking some things in bountysource.com to see if it's ok as a hosting platform
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| 14:23 | I'll probably create a repository, like the greek schools ppa, with updated versions, and allow access to it to the sponsors...
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| 14:24 | So that people have some reason to donate
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| 14:25 | <bennabiy> ah
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| 14:30 | ok, so I am going offline now
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| 14:31 | back later!
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| 14:31 | * bennabiy waves | |
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| 14:38 | <neops> hello
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> Hi neops
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| 14:48 | neops: did you manage to troubleshoot the issues?
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| 14:49 | <neops> not yet
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> !vnc-edide
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| 14:50 | <ltsp`> vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> neops: ^
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| 14:51 | <neops> I can not do port redirection (I'm not home)
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> No need for any redirection
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| 14:51 | <neops> I think this is mandatory for vnc
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| 14:51 | ok alkisg
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> It's not
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| 14:51 | It's reverse vnc
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| 14:51 | <neops> ok
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| 14:51 | ok
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| 14:52 | I want to install right away
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| 14:53 | apt-get install tightvncserve
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> neops: no
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| 14:53 | Please read
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| 14:53 | (05:50:02 μμ) ltsp`: vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
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| 14:53 | Just open epoptes
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| 14:53 | Don't install anything
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| 14:59 | <neops> I am not at home I have to give epotes (one minute
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| 15:12 | I think I'll have to postpone (sorry)
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| 15:13 | I am not at home ..problem of cnx
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| 18:21 | <bennabiy> alkisg: have you done zfs for a root filesystem in 16.04 yet?
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> bennabiy: never used zfs, no
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| 18:22 | <bennabiy> alkisg: ok
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| 18:24 | <smetzger> If anyone is remotely curious, doing a remote SSHFS homedir doesn't work very well.
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| 18:24 | (not that this is an unexpected outcome)
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> mmetzger: how so? 1000+ schools here work like that for years
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| 18:25 | <mmetzger> alkisg: How remote?
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> LAN
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| 18:25 | You mean over ADSL?
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| 18:25 | <mmetzger> Not ADSL, but WAN.
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> Eh, sure, latency is a big issue there if you don't use aggressive caching, even on writes...
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| 18:28 | <mmetzger> This is completely as expected - just was curious how bad it would be.
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| 18:28 | And honestly some stuff works reasonably well - firefox is not among said stuff.
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| 18:52 | <altsp> help
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| 18:52 | on installing ltsp on 16.04
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| 18:52 | anyone has done that?
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| 18:52 | <bennabiy> !ask | altsp
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| 18:52 | <ltsp`> Error: "altsp" is not a valid command.
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> !ask | echo altsp
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| 18:52 | <ltsp`> altsp ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 18:53 | <bennabiy> altsp: simply state what you have tried, and where you are at. Ubuntu 16.04 works very well for ltsp
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| 19:07 | <altsp> Ok let me rephrase. I have a computer with one ehternet and one wifi. Installation of Ltsp with the 14.04 "alternte iso" worked like a charm. I've tried on 16.04 but without success. I have read it is because 16.04 needs a workaround. I need step by step instruction for this kind of computer.
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> !ltsp-manager | echo altsp:
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| 19:42 | <ltsp`> altsp: ltsp-manager: LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> altsp: follow those instructions ^
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| 19:45 | <altsp> ok, that is something new to me. Need some readng and then I will try it. Thank you alkisg.
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> np
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| 19:48 | <altsp> In the meantime, anyone has a bash script?
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> altsp: for what?
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| 20:06 | A bash script to do what?
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| 20:07 | ltsp has a looot of bash scripts ;)
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| 20:41 | <altsp> Well, thank you for the help, It was worth waiting for the reply. bye.
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| 21:49 | <bennabiy> Is there any support for arch based LTSP?
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> none that i'm aware of ... though it shouldn't be difficult with ltsp-pnp-style installations
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