IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 23 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:00 | <Hyperbyte> Morning Gavin. :)
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| 01:02 | <Da-Geek> hey Hyperbyte,
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| 01:02 | it looks so strange seeing people call me by my Real Name....
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| 01:02 | normally when i see my real name, it means im in trouble.. :-p
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| 01:02 | <Hyperbyte> SPURGEON, GET YOUR ASS OVER HERE, NOW!
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| 01:03 | :>
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| 01:03 | How are ya?
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| 01:03 | <sep> Da-Geek, if they use your full name including optinal middle names it's time to hide.
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| 01:04 | <Da-Geek> sep, if anyone can find out my middle name, them i am in a whole world of ******
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| 01:04 | :-)
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| 01:05 | Hyperbyte, dude, dont ask.... :-(
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| 01:14 | <Hyperbyte> Hmm
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| 01:15 | You have hidden it well I think.
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| 01:17 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 04:05 | <andygraybeal> morrningin
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| 05:33 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, you have a huge last name :)
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| 13:03 | <warren> Hey folks.
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| 13:03 | <warren> I found a problem in ldm, the standard scripts are incompatible with Fedora/RHEL because it uses nc with the -q parameter.
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| 13:04 | -q only works on Debian/SuSE, not Fedora/RHEL
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| 13:04 | Fedora/RHEL defaults to the -q behavior
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| 13:04 | http://hg.fedorahosted.org/hg/virt-manager/rev/1f781890ea4a This is a similar issue
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| 13:05 | see their ugly kludge? could we use something similar to that?
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| 13:10 | <stgraber> I guess we'd have to ...
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| 13:11 | <stgraber> IIRC it's not even consistent in Debian/Ubuntu as two packages ship the "nc" command, one with -q and the other without
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> warren: long time no see
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> Maybe on ltsp-common-functions we could make an "nc" function that would make the check on first calls, and even cache the result for later calls...
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| 13:30 | <warren> stgraber, wow
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> alkisg@alkis:~$ /bin/nc.traditional -q
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| 13:37 | /bin/nc.traditional: option requires an argument -- 'q'
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| 13:37 | alkisg@alkis:~$ /bin/nc.openbsd -q
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| 13:37 | /bin/nc.openbsd: option requires an argument -- 'q'
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| 13:37 | Both packages allow -q
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| 13:47 | <warren> nc: invalid option -- 'q'
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| 13:48 | alkisg, are all cases of nc usage in LTSP using "nc -q..." ?
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> netcat-openbsd (1.89-1) unstable; urgency=low
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| 13:48 | - Add the -q (quit on standard input EOF) flag.
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| 13:48 | warren: fedora has netcat-openbsd, right?
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| 13:48 | Which version?
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| 13:49 | <warren> alkisg, appears to be from openbsd version 1.84
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> -q was added in 2008... maybe you could ask an upgrade?
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| 13:50 | <warren> alkisg, not possible
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> OK
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| 13:50 | I haven't looked at the nc calls in LTSP, but if there's need, we could override it with a function or even with a shell script...
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| 13:51 | <warren> not all nc calls in LTSP use -q
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> I see exactly 1 that doesn't use -q... ltsp-trunk/client/screen-x-common: if nc -z -w 5 $SRV 7100 >/dev/null ; then
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| 13:54 | And that's on an unmaintained path
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| 13:54 | (XFS)
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| 13:54 | <warren> oh
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| 13:55 | ahh
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| 13:55 | alkisg, it lacks -q in my k12linux paths, not used by debian
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> I grepped the upstream source. /me shrugs
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| 13:56 | <warren> alkisg, what is your preferred way of dealing with this?
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| 14:06 | <warren> another issue is changes to ldm in the last 1.5 years broke the -DK12LINUX compile-time build
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| 14:42 | <Gnoze5> yellow
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| 14:46 | <Hyperbyte> green
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| 19:35 | <Gnoze5> ok im convinced , ltsp rules.
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| 19:37 | I have a question though
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| 19:37 | does the LTSP MO always assume that most of the processing is done server side
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| 19:38 | or are there ways to use more local resources when clients are richer
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| 19:51 | <highvoltage> Gnoze5: yep, with local apps if you want mixed, or you could use fat client mode to run everything locally while still being diskless
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| 19:52 | <Gnoze5> highvoltage that is very good news
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| 19:56 | highvoltage, btw in terms of 2d acceleration is it something that will usually work out of the box or does it require chroot customization and such?
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| 20:13 | <highvoltage> Gnoze5: if it's supported hardware you should be fine
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| 20:28 | <Gnoze5> highvoltage, but drivers have to be installed on the client or server? or does it depended on where the processing is being executed?
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| 20:30 | right now im testing with a regular desktop and a HP T5630w thin client
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| 20:30 | and both are lacking any sort of accel, 2d or other
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| 21:15 | <Gnoze5> back
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| 21:59 | <Hyperbyte> Gnoze5, hardware accelleration is done on the client I believe
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| 21:59 | Actually I'm sure it is.
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| 22:12 | Although I suppose it depends on the kind of accelleration you're talking about... I know anti-aliasing is done client-side, I can imagine 3D accelleration would be done server-side
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| 23:16 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 23:16 | i think when i upgraded the bzr repositories on launchpad, it doesn't send out change notices anymore
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| 23:25 | <alkisg> vagrantc (in case you read the backlog): https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+subscription/ltsp-upstream
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| 23:25 | Notification level: no email
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| 23:26 | I don't remember if we subscribed individually, if we did, we probably need to subscribe again, as you deleted + recreated the branch, no?
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