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Channel log from 12 September 2011 (all times are UTC)

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02:12	<m4xx_> !fatclients
02:12	<ltsp> m4xx_: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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02:59	<quietone> a thinclient hung a few days ago and another one does it off an on. Where do I read up on how to fix this?
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08:05	<garymc> Help
08:06	Just installed Chromium and Docky for the LTSP and now nothing has internet
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08:10	<garymc> how do I undo this command :gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true
08:11	<Hyperbyte> Nothing has internet?
08:11	What does that mean?
08:12	<garymc> thin clients have no internet and dhcp isnt starting automaticly
08:12	*fat clients
08:13	<Hyperbyte> Sounds like a network manager problem.
08:13	Type service network-manager status
08:14	<garymc> network-manager start/running, process 739
08:15	I just installed Google Chrome and docky
08:15	now ive uninstalled them
08:15	:S
08:15	no one got internet in work
08:15	<Hyperbyte> Not a solution.
08:15	<garymc> no
08:15	<Hyperbyte> I told you before, if something breaks - fix it, don't reinstall/revert.
08:16	<garymc> i paniced
08:16	Pniked
08:16	Panicked
08:16	<Hyperbyte> cat /etc/network/interfaces
08:16	<garymc> auto lo
08:16	iface lo inet loopback
08:17	thats it
08:17	<Hyperbyte> Okay
08:17	That's good
08:17	<garymc> :(
08:17	<Hyperbyte> Type 'ifconfig'... everything look normal?
08:17	<garymc> yes
08:17	<Hyperbyte> Interface names are correct?
08:18	<garymc> yes
08:18	<Hyperbyte> eth0, eth1?
08:18	Okay...
08:18	<garymc> yes
08:18	<Hyperbyte> Type iptables -L
08:18	(pastebin)
08:18	Also
08:18	cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward does that return 1 or 0?
08:19	<garymc> iptables : http://pastebin.com/WkP7Advj
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08:19	<Hyperbyte> sudo iptables -L
08:19	<garymc> that returns a 1
08:19	<Hyperbyte> My mistake. :)
08:20	<garymc> what mistake?
08:20	<Hyperbyte> Needs to be 'sudo'
08:20	<garymc> what bit
08:21	<Hyperbyte> 10:19 <Hyperbyte> sudo iptables -L
08:21	<garymc> yes i done that
08:21	<Hyperbyte> gary@ubuntu64bit:~$ iptables -L
08:21	<garymc> oh ok
08:22	http://pastebin.com/YfvhBdCr
08:24	i dont understand why they have all lost internet connection
08:24	and dhcp failed to start on reboot
08:26	<alkisg> How did your fat clients boot without a dhcp server?!
08:27	<garymc> they never, i restarted it when i saw they would not boot
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08:27	<alkisg> And now the problem is that the server has internet, and the clients no?
08:27	<garymc> exactly
08:27	im having a panick attack right now, calls coming in and Ive broke the server
08:27	<Hyperbyte> garymc, the script in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ we created doesn't execute.
08:27	<alkisg> Maybe your broke your NAT/Masquerading on the server? How did you do that?
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08:28	<Hyperbyte> garymc, ls -al /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/
08:28	<garymc> i just installed chormium and docky
08:28	I have since removed both
08:29	<Hyperbyte> Paste line with the dhcpfix file we made.
08:29	And stop panicking.
08:29	<garymc> http://pastebin.com/BeB0QdLA
08:29	ok
08:29	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 186 2011-09-09 14:04 02dhcpfix
08:30	<Hyperbyte> Okay, cat the 02dhcpfix file
08:30	<garymc> god, how
08:30	<Hyperbyte> How? cat 02dhcpfix ?
08:30	<garymc> cat /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/02dhcpfix
08:30	?
08:31	<Hyperbyte> Yes please.
08:31	<garymc> http://pastebin.com/QKwBqH8Q
08:32	<Hyperbyte> Run /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/ltsp/nat
08:32	Internet will work.
08:32	This doesn't actually solve your problems I think.
08:32	But at least you can stop panicking and look at this problem at a more suitable time.
08:32	<garymc> so type: Run /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/ltsp/nat
08:33	<Hyperbyte> sudo as well please
08:33	sudo /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/ltsp/nat
08:33	<garymc> ok
08:33	ill test now
08:33	cool internet is back on
08:33	phew
08:34	I need to look at this, why would chromium or docky break my whole system?
08:34	<Hyperbyte> Okay. Now what happened, is that there went something wrong with NetworkManager... the script didn't start.
08:35	<garymc> ok , ill tell you what I done
08:35	<Hyperbyte> We made a script, the 02dhcpfix, which starts dhcpd and sets up internet connection sharing
08:35	<garymc> I come into office 30 mins early
08:35	I installed DOCKY and CHROMIUM
08:35	<Hyperbyte> So something you did, has made it so the NetworkManager script doesn't start.
08:35	It didn't 'break your whole system', just the NetworkManager bit.
08:36	<garymc> Docky didnt work correctly so I googled a fix, I found this code into terminal: gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true
08:36	<Hyperbyte> Keep in mind, if you reboot, it'll probably be back to the basics, and require manual dhcpd start and execution of the iptables command I just gave you.
08:36	<garymc> then docky appeared ok
08:36	damn
08:37	<Hyperbyte> First things first.
08:37	How did you install Chromium?
08:38	<garymc> i went into server room and logged in. and went to software center in menu
08:38	<Hyperbyte> Okay
08:38	<garymc> i have sinced removed both though
08:38	:(
08:38	<Hyperbyte> This, you are never gonna do again.
08:38	<garymc> no
08:38	<Hyperbyte> From now you will use 'apt-get' from the command line.
08:38	<garymc> ok
08:39	why am i so stupid
08:39	<Hyperbyte> If you want to install something, 'apt-get install <programname>'
08:39	However!
08:39	<garymc> ok
08:39	<Hyperbyte> Keep in mind, when running thin/fat clients, the software for the clients is in /opt/ltsp/
08:39	<garymc> ok
08:39	<Hyperbyte> With thin clients, everything runs on the server, so if you install something on the server, it'll be available on the clients
08:40	With fat clients, everything runs on the clients. So if you want Chrome on the fat clients, you need to install it in /opt/ltsp/ - not on the server.
08:40	<garymc> ok, that I dont know how to
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08:41	<garymc> So I need to fix my problem with dhcp and nat? then look at installing programs in opt/ltsp
08:41	<Hyperbyte> Yessir.
08:41	Also, you need to learn to do these things via command line, not via the GUI on the server. This will make things a lot easier for you.
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08:42	<Hyperbyte> Navigate to /opt/ltsp/amd64/ and type 'ls'
08:42	Don't pastebin it by the way, I know what it says
08:42	<garymc> ok i will never use gui on server again
08:42	<Hyperbyte> I just want you to see the whole filesystem there, the copy of Ubuntu inside your server's Ubuntu, which the fat clients use
08:43	<garymc> ok
08:43	i see
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08:45	<Hyperbyte> The /opt/ltsp/amd64/ OS, is made into a network image. This image is stored in /opt/ltsp/images/. Have a look there as well, see the image file.
08:45	<garymc> so thats what the fAT clients use
08:45	amd64.img
08:45	<Hyperbyte> If you modify or install anything in /opt/ltsp/amd64/, you need to run ltsp-update-image to update the image in /opt/ltsp/images/
08:45	<garymc> ok
08:46	<Hyperbyte> So that's how the client OS works.
08:46	<alkisg> And to get "into" that fat os to install things, you run: sudo ltsp-chroot
08:46	<Hyperbyte> Now about actually installing something in the client
08:47	<alkisg> Or better yet, sudo ltsp-chroot -c -p
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08:47	<garymc> ok
08:47	<Hyperbyte> You can use something called "chroot" to change the /opt/ltsp/amd64/ into your primary OS for your terminal. Basically, it logs you in to the client.
08:47	The ltsp-chroot script sets it up for you automagically.
08:48	<garymc> then when in there : sudo apt-get chromium
08:48	etc
08:48	then when donw : sudo ltsp-update-image
08:48	<Hyperbyte> :)
08:48	You are learning fast, grasshopper. :)
08:48	<garymc> :)
08:49	<Hyperbyte> It's apt-get install chromium though, but those are details.
08:49	<garymc> ok but do I need to be in the /opt/ltsp/amd64/ folder?
08:49	before apt-get install chromium
08:49	?
08:49	<Hyperbyte> Type just 'apt-get' for more info on the terminal application manager.
08:49	<NeonLicht> apt-get install chromium-browser
08:49	<Hyperbyte> garymc, the 'ltsp-chroot' commands does that.
08:49	<NeonLicht> chromium only is a game.
08:49	<garymc> ok
08:50	so what about my reboot stuff
08:50	eg, dhcp and nat
08:50	<Hyperbyte> garymc, ltsp-chroot makes /opt/ltsp/amd64/ into /
08:50	<garymc> is it an easy fix, or is this gonna be a ball ache
08:50	<Hyperbyte> Try this:
08:50	ls /opt/
08:50	ltsp-chroot
08:50	ls /opt/
08:50	exit
08:51	Second time there's no /opt/ folder, because you're inside /opt/. :)
08:51	<garymc> ltsp-chroot : no command found
08:51	<Hyperbyte> whereis ltsp-chroot
08:51	<garymc> ltsp-chroot:
08:52	<Hyperbyte> That's not a lot.
08:52	<garymc> thats all it says
08:52	<alkisg> That's 11.04, right?
08:52	<garymc> no 10.4.3
08:52	I think
08:52	<alkisg> Ah, I thought you had 11.04
08:52	<garymc> 11.04 is BETA ?
08:52	<alkisg> It might be in /usr/share/ltsp/scripts/ltsp-chroot in your case, but it's a little old
08:52	Of course it's NOT beta
08:52	<garymc> ok
08:53	<Hyperbyte> ls /usr/share/ltsp/scripts/ltsp-chroot
08:53	<alkisg> Put it in pastebin if you find it
08:53	So that we see how old it is
08:53	<garymc> http://pastebin.com/GTuRRDQF
08:54	<alkisg> cat /usr/share/ltsp/scripts/ltsp-chroot
08:54	The whole contents, can you put them to pastebin?
08:54	<garymc> http://pastebin.com/19ffxVkE
08:55	<alkisg> Nah, ignore that, it's rather old
08:55	You can download a new one as the wiki here says: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients#Further_chroot_customizations
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08:57	<garymc> the wiki says sudo ltsp-chroot -c -p doent work
08:57	it doesnt work for me
08:58	sorry i never read correctly
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08:59	* Hyperbyte smacks garymc :D
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09:01	<markit> Hyperbyte: lol, much better than insults or RTFM :)
09:01	<Hyperbyte> :D
09:02	Hey, I've spent about eight hours helping him so far. :P I have the right to smack him every now and then. :P
09:02	<garymc> yes you have the right
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09:03	<Hyperbyte> ... okay, now you've just made it sound horribly wrong. :(
09:03	<garymc> oh well, I dont get htis launchpad thing.
09:03	Do I just copy paste?
09:04	<Hyperbyte> Do you have the most recent ltsp-chroot from launchpad in your browser?
09:04	<garymc> yes I think so
09:04	just gotta nip out for a pee
09:04	brb
09:04	<Hyperbyte> Too much info.
09:04	Paste the link to what you have in your browser.
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09:17	<garymc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot
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09:22	<Hyperbyte> Looks good.
09:22	Copy paste the 'download file' link into your terminal
09:22	And put 'wget' in front of it
09:22	So wget http://
09:22	etc
09:23	<garymc> in the terminal i suppose
09:23	<Hyperbyte> That's what I just said, yes. :P
09:24	<alkisg> Remember to put quotes around it
09:24	wget 'url'
09:25	<garymc> i never
09:25	:(
09:25	<alkisg> Not wget url, because it may contain special shell characters
09:25	<garymc> shugger
09:25	i already did it
09:25	how to undo?
09:25	<alkisg> Fortunately the link you downloaded doesn't have special characters
09:25	So ok go on :)
09:26	<garymc> phew
09:26	<alkisg> (previously launchpad used special characters and people downloading with wget got "not found" pages :))
09:32	<garymc> hmm I cant do this: chmod +x /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot
09:33	<alkisg> sudo
09:33	<garymc> done that
09:33	<alkisg> You did: sudo chmod + x /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot
09:33	?
09:34	what was the output?
09:35	<garymc> chmod: cannot access `/usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot': No such file or directory
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09:37	<alkisg> You didn't do the "Save it in /usr/sbin," part
09:37	The command to copy files is "cp"
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09:38	<garymc> how do I do it
09:38	<alkisg> sudo cp ltsp-chroot /usr/sbin/
09:38	But you need to be in the folder where you downloaded it
09:39	<garymc> ok
09:39	done
09:39	but after chmod I get this error
09:42	I type sudo ltsp-chroot -c -p
09:42	error: /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot: 1: Syntax error: newline unexpected
09:44	withouth the error: bit
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09:58	<alkisg> It looks like you didn't download the script, but an html page
10:02	<garymc> hmmm
10:02	how do I fix
10:06	should I just copy and paste the script?
10:06	<Hyperbyte> What's the first line of the script?
10:07	<garymc> in web browser or terminal?
10:07	<Hyperbyte> Terminal
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10:09	<garymc> <?xml version="1.0"?>
10:09	it loks like a webpage
10:10	<Hyperbyte> That's a webpage alright.
10:10	You used the wrong link then
10:10	Did you use the link behind 'Download script'?
10:11	<garymc> I did
10:11	<Hyperbyte> Check again, try again.
10:11	It works for me.
10:11	<garymc> what url did you use?
10:13	i tried with " " this time and same problem. Am I using the wrong url?
10:13	<Hyperbyte> You tried with " "? What does that mean?
10:15	<garymc> alkisg said use " " , but I was lucky as i didnt need to this time. Anyway I must be using the wrong URL
10:16	<Hyperbyte> You must be.
10:16	What's the URL you're using?
10:16	<garymc> here is the URL and WGET im using : wget http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot
10:16	<Hyperbyte> That's the view page...
10:17	<garymc> right, i cant find the url your tlaking about
10:17	:S
10:17	<Hyperbyte> You need the url behind the "download file" link on that page.
10:17	<garymc> this one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot
10:17	<Hyperbyte> Open that in a browser
10:18	See there's a "download file" link
10:18	<garymc> no thats the same one
10:18	<Hyperbyte> That one.
10:18	<garymc> ok found it
10:18	sorry , iam dumb
10:18	* Hyperbyte smacks garymc :D
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10:19	<garymc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/download/head:/ltspchroot-20091012171122-qi87uzp8s0pw7oh1-1/ltsp-chroot
10:20	yee ha
10:20	Im in ltsp-chroot
10:21	<Hyperbyte> :)
10:21	<garymc> ok
10:21	so am i goona break if I sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
10:22	<Hyperbyte> You shouldn't.
10:22	<garymc> Ok well I have chroot now.
10:22	<Hyperbyte> Not sure if the apt-get command works immediately.
10:22	<garymc> ok
10:22	but I need to fix my first probs... yes?
10:23	<Hyperbyte> Also, yes - but those you can't do while people are working.
10:24	I think if you reboot it will all be fine. So test that at first possibility, and if it doesn't, manually execute the commands in the 02dhcpfix script
10:24	<garymc> So you think If I reboot now, the system shoudl work fine?
10:24	if not I need to run
10:24	sudo service dhcp3-server restart
10:24	then
10:25	sudo /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/ltsp/nat
10:25	<Hyperbyte> Yes.
10:25	<garymc> then we are done
10:25	<Hyperbyte> But do your users a favor and let them work for the rest of the day without incident. :P
10:25	<garymc> ok
10:28	ok so no more stuff for me?
10:28	<Hyperbyte> Dunno? =)
10:29	<garymc> ok, so I cant reset server, so no testing there
10:29	and I cant install any software like chrome
10:30	<Hyperbyte> You can't?
10:32	<garymc> no, you said leave my workers be :s
10:32	work without inceident
10:33	<Hyperbyte> Yeah, for restarting server.
10:33	As for modifying things inside the ltsp chroot, those will only become permanent once your run ltsp-update-image... and even then people can continue working in the old image, until they reboot their clients.
10:33	<garymc> coolo
10:33	<Hyperbyte> You could also create a copy of the chroot before you start messing around, a backup
10:33	<garymc> lets install
10:34	i have a free fat client to test with
10:34	<Hyperbyte> cp -a amd64 amd64.backup
10:34	<garymc> do i have to be in the folder before running that command?
10:34	<Hyperbyte> Of course.
10:34	<garymc> this one/opt/ltsp/
10:34	<Hyperbyte> And sudo as well probably.
10:35	<garymc> how do I get out of chroot
10:36	<Hyperbyte> exit
10:38	<garymc> ok made a backup
10:38	so shoud; I apt-get now?
10:39	get into chroot first
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10:44	<garymc> i just ran
10:45	sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
10:45	that installed something
10:45	i was in chroot when i ran that
10:45	so do I run ltsp-update-image in chroot too
10:45	?
10:46	<Hyperbyte> Outside the chroot, naturally.
10:46	<garymc> ok
10:46	<Hyperbyte> You need to update the image on the server, not on the client.
10:46	<garymc> exit
10:46	ok
10:46	<Hyperbyte> Inside chroot = on client
10:46	<garymc> :)
10:46	ok
10:47	update-ltsp-image = no command found
10:47	im very forgetful please accept my appoliogies
10:47	where the hell do I run that command form?
10:48	*form
10:48	from
10:48	<Hyperbyte> If you're forgetful take notes.
10:48	You have the wrong command.
10:48	<garymc> or is it: ltsp-update-image
10:48	<Hyperbyte> Yes.
10:49	<garymc> does that take a while?
10:49	<Hyperbyte> About 7.
10:49	<garymc> yes it does
10:49	I should have installed more. What about Docky for LTSP is it worth the hassle
10:49	<Hyperbyte> It should take a whole of 20 seconds or so.
10:51	<garymc> no its still riunning
10:51	or is docky 20 seconds?
10:52	<Hyperbyte> ltsp-update-image
10:53	<garymc> ok its done
10:53	so if I restart FAT client Chrome should be there?
10:53	<Hyperbyte> Should be.
10:53	It's lunchtime here.
10:54	<garymc> ok enjoy
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11:04	<garymc> anyone know how I make CHROME the default browser for all FAT clients?
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11:47	<Hyperbyte> garymc, by setting mandatory gnome configuration for url-handler
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11:52	<garymc> is that in terminal or each client?
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11:53	<Hyperbyte> You can set it once, for all users.
11:53	<garymc> where do I set it?
11:54	<Hyperbyte> Gnome uses a system called "gconf" to store all settings. It has per-user settings, global default settings and global mandatory settings.
11:54	You set it using gconftool-2, but you need to read up on it a lot before you start messing around with it.
11:54	<garymc> ok, i wont use it
11:55	I went into a client and set CHROME as default browser, but when you click on a link/launcher on the desktop FIREFOX still loads instead of chrome
11:55	<junkY_San> i'm having a problem with the initramfs, reporting an other MAC adress for the NIC. this leads to not getting a lease since the dhcp offers are static
11:56	<alkisg> junkY_San: ? what do you mean "reporting another MAC addres for the NIC"?
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11:57	<junkY_San> in the dhcp servers log i can see the first dhcp lease for the PXE client, and after loading the kernel and startint the initramfs i can see the 2nd dhcp request from a different MAC adress, but i know it's the same PC
11:59	<alkisg> You see a different mac address there?
11:59	<junkY_San> yes
11:59	<alkisg> Or are you talking about the client identifier?
11:59	<junkY_San> mac
12:00	<alkisg> Which dhcp server are you using?
12:00	<junkY_San> it seems like random generated by the initramfs, because everytime i reset the client it's a different adress
12:01	dhcpd3, but i don't think it's a server related problem
12:01	<alkisg> The older udhcp version did indeed create a random XID, but that's a client identifier, not a mac address
12:01	Seeing a different mac address... is very weird to be client related
12:01	<junkY_San> i have manually updated to the latest busybox and udhcpc
12:01	<alkisg> Also, which distro/version?
12:02	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, what are the 2 MAC addresses?
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12:02	<junkY_San> Hyperbyte, the first one is the address of the NIC, and the 2nd one changes everytime
12:03	<alkisg> Which distro/version are you using? And, which udhcpc version?
12:03	<junkY_San> alkisg, ubuntu 10.04.3 on the ltsp server
12:03	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, you said so. I'm curious what they are specifically.
12:03	<junkY_San> 8.04.4 LTS on the dhcp/bootp server
12:04	<Hyperbyte> Last time you booted, for example, what were the two addresses? Or better yet, can you paste the relevant logfiles?
12:05	<junkY_San> one second
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12:06	<Hyperbyte> By the way, when I say paste I really mean
12:06	!pastebin
12:06	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
12:08	<alkisg> junkY_San: and after that, put break=top in pxelinux.cfg/default, and then on the client, from the initramfs, run: udhcpc --version, and paste the version here
12:08	<junkY_San> http://pastebin.com/RTvje841
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12:12	<junkY_San> alkisg, i'm afraid the configfile you mentioned has no effect in this boot-environment
12:13	<alkisg> When the client doesn't boot, does it give you an initramfs prompt?
12:13	<junkY_San> no
12:13	udhcpc blocks the boot process
12:13	<Hyperbyte> The second mac address is made up. It doesn't belong to any vendor.
12:14	That's very interesting.
12:14	<alkisg> The second mac address is probably a dhcpd bug
12:14	<junkY_San> i have two types of client here
12:14	<alkisg> Not a client bug, the udhcp on the client sends a random xid, and the old dhcpd in 8.04 gets mixed up and reports it as a mac address
12:14	But anyway that's not important
12:14	The udhcpc problem is a known problem, but 2 things are needed to get around it
12:15	A newer udhcpc or busybox version, and a newer ltsp_nbd
12:15	Either those, or just "ipappend 3" in pxelinux.cfg/default
12:16	(03:12:27 μμ) junkY_San: alkisg, i'm afraid the configfile you mentioned has no effect in this boot-environment ==> it should have effect if you configure your 8.04 server to point to your ltsp server as "next-server", the tftp server.
12:16	Or if you change the pxelinux.cfg/default file on 8.04
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12:34	<junkY_San> alkisg, 8.04 is dhcp and tftp server. and i changed the file there but it doesn't seem to be used in anyway
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12:35	<alkisg> junkY_San: isn't it better to use the 10.04 as the tftp server, so that you don't have to transfer the kernels after each ltsp-update-kernels?
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12:36	<alkisg> Also, it's very unlikely that pxelinux.cfg/default isn't used.
12:36	<junkY_San> yes ive had that idea before, i joined this project and the setup was already split up
12:37	<alkisg> Can you pastebin your modified 8.04 pxelinux.cfg/default file?
12:37	<junkY_San> i'll tell you a little bit more about the boot process
12:38	the client displays grub, where i have added an entry for the new ltsp system i installed
12:38	grub.cfg is also on 8.04
12:40	so i can't see any config file or command line which tells the client to use that 'default' file
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12:41	<alkisg> Waaaait. What grub?
12:41	Locally?
12:41	Grub over the network?
12:41	<junkY_San> and the other important thing is: i have two types of clients. old hardware and newer hardware. the new hardware boots without any problem, the old hardware has this dhcp issue
12:42	grub over network
12:42	* alkisg never managed to get grub working over the network
12:43	<alkisg> So anyway, can you post your grub.cfg?
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12:43	<junkY_San> linux (pxe)/sj/vmlinuz LTSFILE=sj/lts.conf nbdroot=192.168.28.225:2000
12:43	initrd (pxe)/sj/initrd.img
12:43	that's my entry
12:44	<alkisg> OK, put break=bottom there then
12:44	linux (pxe)/sj/vmlinuz LTSFILE=sj/lts.conf nbdroot=192.168.28.225:2000 break=top
12:44	Better top, not bottom, since you have udhcpc problems
12:44	And there run udhcpc --version
12:46	<junkY_San> the usb keyboard doesn't work..
12:46	i'll check the bios settings
12:46	<mgariepy> good morning everyone
12:47	<Hyperbyte> Good afternoon mgariepy. ;-)
12:47	<alkisg> junkY_San: no, unfortunately udev doesn't publish usb keyboards at that point
12:48	<junkY_San> and there's no legacy emulation in bios.. damn
12:48	<alkisg> If you don't have a ps/2 keyboard, you can put a static ip entry temporarily
12:48	<junkY_San> i'll search for a ps2 keyboard, brb
12:48	<alkisg> to get to break=bottom
12:48	ok
12:50	<junkY_San> busybox 1.15.3
12:51	udhcpc --version isn't an option
12:51	<alkisg> The problem is that you upgraded udhcpc without updating ltsp
12:51	And ltsp still uses the old code, which makes your new udhcpc break
12:51	<junkY_San> but can you explain why the other hardware boots without problems?
12:52	using the exact same kernel/initramfs
12:52	<alkisg> No. Wait in that busybox, let me give you one command...
12:52	<junkY_San> i think it's ethernet-driver related
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12:53	<alkisg> I'm talking about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/505916
12:53	which is the problem in XID etc
12:53	OK let's check the driver yet
12:54	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, if it is driver related, you should be able to see both the MAC addresses in 'arp -n', after the DHCP attempts.
12:54	<alkisg> Run this on busybox: udhcpc -n -c "" -i eth0
12:55	<junkY_San> no such device
12:56	<alkisg> Do you know what device it is?
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12:56	<alkisg> lspci -nn -k \| grep -A 2 Ethernet, would tell you that, if you had a normal installation
12:56	(e.g. usb live stick)
12:57	<junkY_San> that damn thing doesn't boot my usb stick.. i also wanted to lookup the module earlier..
12:58	<alkisg> No cdrom either?
12:59	<junkY_San> yes but device near me with a writer and either no blank disc
12:59	but since that is the old hardware i don't want to spend so much time on that problem
12:59	<alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
12:59	<junkY_San> i have annother problem with the new hardware with the ltspfsd not working
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12:59	<alkisg> That's how you add the module, once you found it
13:00	<junkY_San> thanks
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13:04	<Blinny> I think stale sessions are being left on my Lucid servers, post-logout. I had removed gnome-watchdog in favor of the LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION{PROMPT} =true settings. I may want to return to -watchdog because with multiple servers and filesystem synchronization scripts, it's important that the users not be logged into more than one server at once. Is there anything that would prevent gnome-watchdog from working on 10.04?
13:06	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, you're asking if gnome-watchdog actually works on Ubuntu 10.04?
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13:07	<alkisg> !xexit
13:07	<ltsp> alkisg: Error: "xexit" is not a valid command.
13:08	<alkisg> !learn xexit as Instead of gnome-watchdog one can use xexit, which is a similar (but better!) tool written by an LTSP developer: http://www.opinsys.fi/en/killing-user-processes-with-xexit-on-ltsp-servers
13:08	<ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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13:11	<vmassuchetto> asd
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13:13	<Blinny> Brilliant!
13:15	<junkY_San> is there a way configure the available sessions for ldm?
13:16	that one can click the preferences button on the lower left corner and switch sessions
13:41	<alkisg> junkY_San: those are read from the server via the ldminfod daemon
13:42	So you can read /usr/sbin/ldminfod for the details. You can put a session in the sessions dir.
13:48	<junkY_San> i have no ldminfod on server or on client
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13:57	<junkY_San> and exactly that was the problem. thanks again alkisg
14:00	can i change the location of the lts.conf file?
14:02	<alkisg> It's deduced from the location of the "boot filename", sent by the dhcp server in reply to the second dhcp request
14:02	Where do you want to put it?
14:02	I.e. a symlink doesn't suffice/
14:02	?
14:02	<junkY_San> first of all i want it to be found
14:03	it has no effect
14:03	it's in the same dir als the kernel and initrd
14:03	*as
14:03	<alkisg> On your 8.04 server?
14:03	<junkY_San> yes
14:04	<alkisg> Can you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
14:04	<junkY_San> it's really huge
14:04	<alkisg> grep for "filename"
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14:04	<alkisg> and paste the few lines around it
14:04	!pastebin
14:04	<ltsp> alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
14:05	<junkY_San> filename "/boot/grub/grub2pxe";
14:05	ah i see
14:05	<alkisg> So put it there
14:05	/boot/grub/lts.conf
14:05	Which grub version are you using?
14:05	<junkY_San> in the previous setup it was possible to give the path via parameter LTSFILE
14:05	1.96
14:06	<alkisg> Did you follow some how-to to make it for netbooting?
14:06	<junkY_San> i have not configured this network
14:07	<alkisg> ok
14:07	There's no "LTSFILE" in the ltsp upstream code whatsoever
14:08	<junkY_San> seems like it got removed
14:08	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, what are you booting via grub anyways?
14:08	Just LTSP, or several things?
14:09	<junkY_San> ltsp. the different entrys point to different lts.conf files for different rdp-servers
14:09	<Hyperbyte> I would get rid of it completely, if it were my system.
14:09	As well as the static dhcp IP addresses
14:10	lts.conf supports per-mac-address settings.
14:10	<alkisg> Why have a boot time menu for rdp servers, instead of a connection-time menu (later on, just before connecting)
14:10	<Hyperbyte> You can get rid of grub and static IP's, and still have per-client settings.
14:10	<junkY_San> it's not for different clients, but for different purpose
14:11	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, you said the only difference is in RDP server settings.
14:11	<junkY_San> i'm in a university, and the we/students are supposed to connect to different server's from every lab
14:11	<Hyperbyte> If that's the case, then you can do that via the RDP* settings in lts.conf. And those settings you can configure per-client.
14:11	<junkY_San> Hyperbyte, one entry connects to a real ltsp server, not rdesktop
14:12	<alkisg> Sure, but why reboot just to connect to a different rdp server? Put a connection-time menu for that.
14:12	Logoff + directly connect to the other server you want without rebooting
14:12	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, no problem. You can configure LDM (LTSP's display/login manager) to either use RDP or LTSP, based on MAC address of clients.
14:12	<junkY_San> alkisg, would be much better in my opinion too. this is just how i found it.
14:13	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, you could even configure them all with hotkeys. Like press ALT+F7 for lab1, ALT+F8 for lab 2...
14:13	<alkisg> ok
14:13	<junkY_San> Hyperbyte, it has to be possible to connect to every server from every client
14:14	Hyperbyte, the hotkey thing was also the first thing i thought of, this is why i'm trying to use the lts.conf ;)
14:15	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, there's also a "menu" script for LTSP... I believe it can handle all your requirements.
14:15	Graphical selection menu for different sessions
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14:15	<Hyperbyte> Well not really 'graphical', but more graphical than hotkeys. :P
14:15	<junkY_San> that would be great
14:15	alkisg, putting lts.conf to /boot/grub/ on the server doesn't work either
14:16	<alkisg> junkY_San: if you enable tftp logging, you'll see the path that the client asks for
14:16	Or, paste your dhcpd.conf so that we can see the structure
14:16	Because if that "filename" that you pasted was inside some "if", it would mean different things.
14:17	<junkY_San> it's the filename defined for the group the client is in the dhcp conf
14:17	i'll paste some lines
14:17	<alkisg> The group of clients is defined by what? vendor id? mac address?
14:18	<junkY_San> manually by MAC-addresses
14:18	<alkisg> Because at the second dhcp request, the vendor identifier is no longer "PXEClient"
14:19	<junkY_San> there are a lot of commented line in that config file. someone had fun there..
14:20	you mentioned tftp-logging. server sided?
14:20	<alkisg> One other guess is to try to put it in the tftp root
14:20	E.g. /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf
14:20	And a final one is to put it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, even if your kernel isn't there
14:20	Tftp logging is done at 8.04, yeah
14:21	But reading dhcpd.conf is the correct method
14:21	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, you need to get rid of GRUB and static IP addresses. Trust me on this one. Even if you get this working, and I have no doubt you will, you still need to get with the program a bit. There's much better ways of doing what you're doing now, which much less configuration and maintenance required.
14:21	*which -> with
14:22	<junkY_San> i agree on that
14:26	this is the relevant part of the script
14:26	http://pastebin.com/PsmKKgf7
14:27	alkisg, is thie $filename the one you mentioned before?
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14:28	<alkisg> junkY_San: yes, that's the part of the code that I was referring to
14:29	The client gets that from /tmp/net-eth0.conf, which is written by udhcpc
14:29	Why? The code shouldn't matter, your configuration does though, and we haven't seen it yet...
14:32	<junkY_San> http://pastebin.com/4XeCvAmk
14:34	<Hyperbyte> Dear lord.
14:35	<junkY_San> toilet, brb
14:35	<Hyperbyte> I can imagine after seeing that file!
14:35	<alkisg> Haha :D
14:36	How are the clients groupped into group "PXE - BOOT clients"? By just mentioning their mac address inside host declarations?
14:37	<Hyperbyte> It'd be quicker to just make everything dynamic and get rid of GRUB than to even debug this I think.
14:37	* Hyperbyte will shut up now...
14:39	<junkY_San> i'd like to clean up this mess, but i don't know how many stations actually use this
14:40	but i think it's safe to disable grub
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14:43	<Hyperbyte> junkY_San, you could start with just one client, as experiment. :)
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14:44	<junkY_San> Hyperbyte, that's what i'm doing atm ;)
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14:44	<Hyperbyte> You could just set one client with boot options directly into the LTSP server, passing by GRUB alltogether... if you get that working as expected, you can slowly move the clients one by one. :)
14:44	Test along the way.
14:44	Etc...
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14:58	<junkY_San> the problem is that the tftp command wants to fetch the lts.conf at the nbd_root_server. but for me nbd and tftp are split..
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15:01	<Hyperbyte> Right, this is also one of the things you have to stop. :P
15:01	Just use /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ on the LTSP server.
15:02	<junkY_San> but on the ltsp server there's no tftp daemon
15:02	this setup sucks.
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15:04	<Hyperbyte> By default there is with LTSP
15:04	You could just install it. :)
15:04	apt-get install tftpd-hpa
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15:05	<junkY_San> i was wrong, it's already there
15:05	<Hyperbyte> :)
15:06	next-server 192.168.100.2;
15:06	filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
15:06	Those two you want in dhcpd.conf for booting directly from the LTSP server
15:06	Where 192.168.100.2 is your LTSP server address, naturally.
15:06	<junkY_San> yes i got that for one client so far ;)
15:07	mh well not exactly, the files are still on the dhcp server..
15:07	<Hyperbyte> If you put next-server <your LTSP server IP> it should fetch them from the ftpd on the LTSP server
15:08	Don't forget the ; at the end
15:10	Meanwhile, I have to get to my second job, where I'll be too busy to IRC... good luck! :)
15:10	<junkY_San> thank you
15:11	you helped me A LOT
15:11	!hyperbyte
15:11	<ltsp> junkY_San: Error: "hyperbyte" is not a valid command.
15:11	<junkY_San> doesn't work for you ;)
15:11	!alkisg
15:11	<ltsp> junkY_San: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
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15:45	<muppis> :)
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17:56	<garymc> Yo .. anyone around?
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17:58	<garymc> Hyperbyte : I just rebooted server to see if DHCP started automaticly. It never. Also how do I know from Terminal at home if I need to run this command: sudo /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/ltsp/nat
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18:09	<bakytn> Hello! Guys, how are you managing many user profiles? Say I want to change some paramter (like editing menu) for all. Is there any tool like gconftool but supporting many users?
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18:14	<alkisg> gconftool-2, gconf-editor and gconf in general support mandatory settings
18:14	So they apply to all users
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18:15	<alkisg> There's also sabayon for applying settings to groups of users
18:15	<TheMatrix3000> alkisg
18:15	If I have a fat client I will need to install sabayon on the fat client too right?
18:16	and have a sudo user in the chroot
18:16	to make changes?
18:16	<alkisg> You almost never need sudo users on fat clients
18:16	You'd need to transfer the sabayon settings to the chroot
18:17	Not sure where they are stored though, I don't use it
18:17	<TheMatrix3000> how do i do that?
18:17	oh
18:17	!gconftool
18:17	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: Error: "gconftool" is not a valid command.
18:17	<garymc> TheMatrix3000 : how do you do what .
18:18	<TheMatrix3000> I need to use gconftool-2 to push a proxy to both the local system and to the fat clients
18:18	!gconftool-2
18:18	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: Error: "gconftool-2" is not a valid command.
18:18	<garymc> yeah I would like to know this too, so Im gonna read up on it
18:18	<alkisg> You don't need sabayon for that
18:18	Just gconftool-2 --direct etc
18:19	<TheMatrix3000> where's the manual for the gconf keys alkisg
18:19	<garymc> I used gconftool-2 earlier and I think it has messed with my setup, or my incorrect use has
18:19	<TheMatrix3000> i used to have it bookmarked
18:19	<alkisg> In the gnome docs site
18:19	You can ask in #gnome if you don't find it in the first google results :)
18:19	<bakytn> alkisg, hi, reading about sabayon! Thank you sir!
18:19	<TheMatrix3000> gnome 3 is here !!!!
18:19	lol
18:19	<alkisg> And dconf too ;)
18:20	<TheMatrix3000> whats dconf
18:20	damn that's sexy
18:20	hwo do i get gnome 3 on ubuntu
18:20	lol
18:20	it's better than unity
18:20	<alkisg> Unity uses gnome-3
18:20	You probably mean gnome-shell, not gnome-3...
18:21	<TheMatrix3000> oh really
18:21	<bakytn> buggy sabayon, sh*t
18:21	<TheMatrix3000> haha, bakynt what error are you getting
18:21	i had to manually fix it
18:21	is it crashing?
18:22	<bakytn> TheMatrix3000, when trying to "Edit" the profile i created its crahsing
18:22	TheMatrix3000, some Fatal Error
18:22	there is no /etc/sabayon/sabayon-debug-log.conf file
18:23	(sorry, it's not LTSP related)
18:23	<TheMatrix3000> yep
18:23	give me a second
18:23	i had the same error and found a bug report for it
18:28	whats teh full error
18:28	like in the popup
18:29	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sabayon/+bug/778676/comments/4
18:29	!train
18:29	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: Error: "train" is not a valid command.
18:30	<TheMatrix3000> !learn
18:30	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
18:30	<TheMatrix3000> !learn sabayon-crash https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sabayon/+bug/778676/comments/4
18:30	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
18:30	<bakytn> TheMatrix3000, yea I just applied the patch and it worked lol
18:31	TheMatrix3000, Thank you!
18:31	<TheMatrix3000> ha, i can't train the bot, im retarded
18:31	but yea, that's the patch
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18:31	<TheMatrix3000> it made me :)
18:31	they should fix that
18:31	ha, logbot crashed :(
18:35	<Gadi> !learn sabayon-crash as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sabayon/+bug/778676/comments/4
18:35	<ltsp> Gadi: The operation succeeded.
18:35	<Gadi> there ya go
18:35	:)
18:35	<TheMatrix3000> ah, that's what i forgot
18:35	the as part
18:35	!sabayon-crash
18:35	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: sabayon-crash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sabayon/+bug/778676/comments/4
18:35	<bakytn> !Learn
18:35	<ltsp> bakytn: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
18:36	<TheMatrix3000> sweet, there we go, cause I know i for sure wasn't the only one with the sabayon issue
18:36	<bakytn> !learn #ltsp
18:36	<ltsp> bakytn: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
18:36	<TheMatrix3000> yea, im a dummy
18:36	<bakytn> howto see all available "learn"s?
18:36	<TheMatrix3000> I didn't read all of it
18:36	<bakytn> (sorry for a bit offtopic)
18:36	<TheMatrix3000> bakytn, it wasn't that far off, the only reason I use sabayon is because of im using LTSP
18:36	haha
18:37	<Gadi> !topics
18:37	<ltsp> Gadi: topics: To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
18:38	<bakytn> ltspbot: factoids search --values
18:38	<Gadi> !factoids search --values
18:38	<ltsp> Gadi: More than 100 keys matched that query; please narrow your query.
18:38	<Gadi> hehe
18:39	!factoids search --values a*
18:39	<ltsp> Gadi: '<3', 'TWOTF', 'a', 'disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way', 'edubuntu', 'frappr', 'icewm', 'kiwi', 'ldm-source', 'ltsp-developer', 'ltsp-discuss', 'ltsp-source', 'ltsp-sources', 'ltspfs-source', 'manual', and 'ubuntu'
18:39	<Gadi> huh
18:40	!factoids search --values ltsp
18:40	<ltsp> Gadi: 'Fedora', 'LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround', 'RDP-localdev', 'SCREEN_02', 'adding-modules', 'adding-modules', 'alkisg', 'bootfloppy', 'bts', 'checklist', 'daily-builds', 'debian', 'dhcp', 'dhcp-proxy', 'dhcpd', 'disable-nbd-proxy', 'docs', 'download', 'factoids', 'fatclients', 'firewall', 'frappr', 'handbook', 'icewm', 'install-localapp', 'integration', 'kiosk-lucid', 'kiwi', 'kiwi', 'kiwi-ltsp', 'ldm', 'ldm-dualhead', (2 more messages)
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18:40	<Gadi> yeah, I dunno
18:40	seems you need to have some idea what ur looking for
18:40	<TheMatrix3000> yea
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18:49	<bakytn> nice
18:49	<TheMatrix3000> !disable-compiz
18:49	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
18:59	<bakytn> !factoids search --values compiz
18:59	<ltsp> bakytn: 'compiz', 'disable-compiz', 'disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way', 'gnome-wm', and 'restore_compiz'
18:59	<bakytn> !factoids search --values cluster
18:59	<ltsp> bakytn: No keys matched that query.
18:59	<bakytn> !factoids search --values *
18:59	<ltsp> bakytn: More than 100 keys matched that query; please narrow your query.
19:00	<bakytn> !factoids search --values *
19:00	<ltsp> bakytn: More than 100 keys matched that query; please narrow your query.
19:00	<bakytn> !factoids search --values ldm
19:00	<ltsp> bakytn: 'SCREEN_08', 'classic-gnome', 'directx', 'flash', 'ldm', 'ldm-po', 'ldm-source', 'ldm-trunk', 'ver', and 'xauthority'
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19:00	<bakytn> !factoids search --values directx
19:00	<ltsp> bakytn: 'directx' and 'flash'
19:00	<bakytn> !learn flash
19:00	<ltsp> bakytn: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
19:01	<bakytn> !flash
19:01	<ltsp> bakytn: flash: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
19:01	<alkisg> Hint: you can also PM the bot to save some channel traffic :)
19:01	<bakytn> alkisg, oh sorry
19:02	<TheMatrix3000> !learn
19:02	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
19:02	<TheMatrix3000> !learn
19:02	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
19:02	<TheMatrix3000> lol jk
19:02	!flood
19:02	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: I do not know about 'flood', but I do know about these similar topics: 'flash'
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19:05	<TheMatrix3000> !ask
19:05	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: ask: (#1) Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel., or (#2) Please do not ask to ask a question, just go ahead and ask. People will respond if they have a solution or can help.
19:05	<TheMatrix3000> ha, what!
19:06	evil
19:06	<bakytn> guys, which GNOME Theme are you using? The main criterias, simplicity and "Windows" window structure :)
19:06	<TheMatrix3000> metacity
19:06	and standard
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20:17	<TheMatrix3000> would this be valid to update my chroot http://pastebin.com/iZUNBGRZ
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20:18	<Hyperbyte> !<3
20:18	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: <3: alkisg
20:19	<Hyperbyte> :$
20:19	<TheMatrix3000> that's retarded lol
20:20	<Hyperbyte> And so you're mother!
20:20	+is
20:20	*your
20:20	Jesus christ!
20:20	Let me retry
20:20	* Hyperbyte rewinds
20:20	<TheMatrix3000> lol
20:20	<Hyperbyte> And so is your mother!
20:20	Not that it makes any -more- sense when spelled correctly, but alas.
20:21	* Hyperbyte sighs. Today is not my day.
20:21	<TheMatrix3000> !Hyberbyte
20:21	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: Hyberbyte: Your Mother!
20:21	<Hyperbyte> !forget Hyberbyte
20:21	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
20:21	<Hyperbyte> Can't even spell my name correctly.
20:21	<TheMatrix3000> ahahah
20:21	wow, typo from hell
20:22	<Hyperbyte> !learn $USER as Test
20:22	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
20:22	<Hyperbyte> !$USER
20:22	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: jan: Test
20:22	<TheMatrix3000> !$USER
20:22	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: ~Matrix: Test
20:22	<Hyperbyte> !Hyperbyte
20:22	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: "Hyperbyte" is not a valid command.
20:22	<Hyperbyte> !forget $USER
20:22	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
20:22	<TheMatrix3000> !user
20:22	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: (user [<channel>] <name>) -- Returns the last time <name> was seen and what <name> was last seen saying. This looks up <name> in the user seen database, which means that it could be any nick recognized as user <name> that was seen. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
20:22	<Hyperbyte> !user TheMatrix3000
20:22	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: I can't find TheMatrix3000 in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
20:22	<Hyperbyte> !seen TheMatrix3000
20:22	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: TheMatrix3000 was last seen in #ltsp 34 seconds ago: <TheMatrix3000> !user
20:23	<TheMatrix3000> !pie
20:23	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: pie: 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679 8214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196 4428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273 72458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536436789259036001133053054882046652138414695194151160
20:23	<Hyperbyte> Holy shit man!
20:24	<TheMatrix3000> !forget pie
20:24	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: The operation succeeded.
20:24	<Hyperbyte> You're going for the triple crown of dumbness aren't you? :-D
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20:24	<Hyperbyte> a) learning the bot stupid things b) flooding the channel c) misspelling 'pi'
20:24	<TheMatrix3000> we use pie all the time in programming don't we?
20:24	i know, hyper i did it on purpose
20:24	for some comical sense
20:24	<Hyperbyte> d) making silly jokes :(
20:25	:P
20:25	<TheMatrix3000> so will that script work?
20:25	<Hyperbyte> What script?
20:25	Oh
20:25	* Hyperbyte scrolls up
20:25	<Hyperbyte> Hmmm
20:25	* Hyperbyte scrolls down
20:26	<Hyperbyte> What is it supposed to do?
20:26	<TheMatrix3000> update ltsp
20:26	well the server and the image
20:26	<Hyperbyte> By the way, no, it's not gonna work.
20:27	<TheMatrix3000> why's that
20:27	<Hyperbyte> Actually
20:27	Yes it is
20:27	Syntax confused me
20:27	<TheMatrix3000> my use of $CHROOT_DIR i assume
20:27	an
20:27	lol
20:27	ah*
20:28	<Hyperbyte> But your proc mounting... not sure how that works
20:28	<TheMatrix3000> so i can use $CHROOT_DIR/usr/lib/firefox-*
20:28	yea, the proc does work
20:28	<Hyperbyte> Does that stay mounted after the chroot exits?
20:28	Because you're re-chrooting for every command
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20:28	<TheMatrix3000> yea
20:28	it exists after each command
20:28	<Hyperbyte> Okay
20:28	<TheMatrix3000> that's why i did it that way
20:28	<Hyperbyte> Then be sure to umount from inside the chroot, not outside
20:29	sudo chroot $CHROOT_DIR umount /proc
20:29	<TheMatrix3000> ok done
20:29	had to make it backup the firefox mandatory configs cause well on ltsp, it isn't easy
20:30	<Hyperbyte> Dunno about the rest.
20:30	<TheMatrix3000> let me test
20:30	<Hyperbyte> You could test without the apt-get commands first
20:30	See if the rest works... if that all goes okay, the apt-gets should as well.
20:30	<TheMatrix3000> it works so far
20:30	lol
20:31	ah son boob
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20:31	<TheMatrix3000> cp omitting directory
20:31	damn, need the -r huh
20:31	<Hyperbyte> I assume you have a backup of your thin client directory? :)
20:31	<garymc> yo hyperbyte
20:31	<Hyperbyte> -r or better -a
20:31	Gary!
20:31	Master of Ceremony!
20:32	<garymc> king of stings
20:32	<Hyperbyte> MC Gary in tha hiiiiiouzzze
20:32	<garymc> :)
20:33	hows tricks
20:33	:P
20:33	<Hyperbyte> eh
20:34	Working.
20:34	<garymc> you helpin more people out
20:34	<TheMatrix3000> lol, he's always helping
20:34	we all try to help
20:34	<Hyperbyte> No, I'm done helping people out. From now on, everybody has to read the manual!
20:34	<TheMatrix3000> !manual
20:34	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: manual: at http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html
20:34	<Hyperbyte> There.
20:34	<TheMatrix3000> !bird
20:34	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: I do not know about 'bird', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bts', 'bbq'
20:34	<Hyperbyte> And so it was written and so it shall be... btw, that's a 404 isn't it?
20:34	<TheMatrix3000> !bbq
20:34	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: bbq: Churrasco
20:34	<garymc> The bird is the word?
20:34	<Hyperbyte> !forget manual
20:34	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
20:35	<Hyperbyte> !forget bbq
20:35	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
20:35	<TheMatrix3000> why did you forget manual
20:35	<Hyperbyte> Read my previous three messages.
20:36	Well, third from last... now fourth, probably.
20:36	<TheMatrix3000> ah
20:36	<garymc> Hyperbyte : rebooted my server and dhcp failed to boot
20:36	<TheMatrix3000> i got it
20:36	<garymc> what a nightmare
20:38	<Hyperbyte> garymc, you broke it. :(
20:39	What happens if you reboot your server, then type service network-manager restart
20:39	Is dhcpd started then?
20:39	<garymc> yes it fails to stop but succeds in starting
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20:40	<Hyperbyte> In other words
20:40	<garymc> *succeeds
20:40	<Hyperbyte> Network Manager is disabled.
20:40	<garymc> ?
20:41	<Hyperbyte> ls -al /etc/init/network-manager.conf
20:41	cat /etc/init/network-manager.conf
20:42	Pastebin commands & output
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20:46	<TheMatrix3000> hyper
20:46	getting this error
20:46	cp: will not overwrite just-created `/backup/firefox.cfg' with `/usr/lib/firefox-addons/firefox.cfg'
20:47	<garymc> hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/vyQHhVu3
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20:50	<Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000, you're probably coyping multiple files into one.
20:52	<TheMatrix3000> ah fucker yep
20:52	that's it
20:52	its there's a firefox-addons
20:54	<Hyperbyte> garymc, that -looks- alright.
20:54	<garymc> i have started DHCP since I rebooted. would that effect that output?
20:54	<Hyperbyte> What if you run update-rc.d network-manager enable
20:54	And reboot.
20:54	<garymc> ill try
20:55	I get errors running that command
20:56	<Hyperbyte> Such as?
20:57	<garymc> http://pastebin.com/fxLUadGr
20:58	<Hyperbyte> You must be #1 pastebin customer
20:58	<garymc> :)
20:58	<Hyperbyte> Hrm, doesn't say that for me. :\
20:58	Better ask alkisg, he knows way more about Ubuntu than I do.
20:58	<garymc> well , if its more than 2 lines, pastebin it
20:59	<Hyperbyte> Tell him network-manager isn't being started at all during boot.
20:59	<garymc> alkisg : Network manager isnt being started at all at boot.
20:59	hyperbyte : Like that ^ :P
21:00	alkisg : could you please help me out
21:02	<Hyperbyte> garymc, chocolate usually helps with Alkis
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21:03	<garymc> I have a crate of Toblerone sitting in the back fo rhim
21:04	Ill have it sent out special delivery :P
21:04	<Hyperbyte> Good.
21:04	His address is:
21:04	J. Middelkoop
21:04	Schiekade 830, Rotterdam
21:05	The Netherlands
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21:05	<garymc> :P
21:05	<Hyperbyte> I'm sure he'll appreciate it very much.
21:05	<garymc> i'll have it posted in the morning
21:05	<Hyperbyte> Do that. :>
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21:07	<garymc> He must be away
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21:08	* Hyperbyte pokes alkisg
21:08	<Hyperbyte> I'm gonna get in a little bit of CivV before bedtime.
21:08	<garymc> CivV ?
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21:25	<alkisg> ....back, /me reads the backlog...
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21:31	<alkisg> garymc: I think you and Hyperbyte modified the init scripts too much :P, so I wouldn't want to dive in via irc, it'd take too much time. But if you want to share a `screen`, (like remote assistance in windows), sure, I could take a look
21:32	<garymc> yeah that would be the nuts
21:32	<alkisg> Want me to paste the necessary commands?
21:32	<garymc> please
21:32	<alkisg> OK, moment...
21:35	sudo apt-get --yes install screen socat
21:35	socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1 && exec screen -x",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & exec screen -l
21:35	Those would make us share the same screen
21:35	Run those either directly on the server, or via ssh
21:36	<garymc> done
21:37	alkisg : dont suppose you could make CHrome the default browser for all FAT clients while your in there ? :P
21:37	<alkisg> Hehe
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21:40	<Hyperbyte> alkisg, we didn't modify any init scripts
21:40	Be careful, network manager's dispatcher sets up iptables and dhcpd
21:40	<alkisg> Hyperbyte: sure I was just joking... did you run update-rc.d for anything?
21:41	<Hyperbyte> All you need to do is get network-manager to run... if you rely on /etc/network/interfaces networking you'll need to make iptables and dhcpd part of init scripts properly, which have bugs on his system...
21:41	He tried update-rc.d network-manager enable, but gave LSB errors.
21:42	garymc, CivV = Civilization 5, by the way... very deep strategy game. ;-)
21:42	I like playing that every now and then.
21:42	<garymc> sid meirs?
21:43	<alkisg> garymc, Hyperbyte, how is eth0 supposed to be getting an ip address?
21:43	<garymc> Eth0 is a Static Ip assigned by my router
21:44	<alkisg> But what part of ubuntu is asking for that address?
21:44	<garymc> router gives out DHCP
21:44	<alkisg> You don't have an /etc/network/interfaces entry, and no network manager connection for eth0
21:44	<garymc> I dont know to be honest
21:44	<alkisg> So, your server doesn't ask for an address for eth0
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21:44	<alkisg> You need to create a system connection for eth0, within network manager
21:45	<garymc> before I assigned the Static IP, it had a DHCP address of 192.168.1.81
21:45	<alkisg> garymc: do you login graphically on the server?
21:45	With a GUI and all?
21:45	<garymc> graphicly?
21:45	<alkisg> In gnome
21:45	<garymc> I have done yes
21:45	<alkisg> Did you configure network manager from there?
21:45	<garymc> EG monitor and keyboard plugge dinto the actual server?
21:46	<alkisg> sorry phone...
21:46	<garymc> As far as I remeber yes I did
21:48	<alkisg> garymc: what user account did you use? I need to peek in his connections directory
21:48	To see if you made a user connection instead of a system connection
21:48	(and move it to system connections)
21:48	<garymc> gary
21:48	<alkisg> ok, looking...
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21:50	<garymc> did i?
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21:54	<alkisg> garymc: how do you know that network manager doesn't start on boot?
21:54	<garymc> Hyperbyte told me
21:55	<alkisg> I'm thinking that you can boot ltsp clients, but you cannot access the internet, right?
21:55	Hyperbyte: ^
21:55	<garymc> no i can access internet
21:55	also I can boot DHCP clients, but I have to start DHCP manualy after a reboot
21:56	<alkisg> So network manager is started on boot...
21:56	Let's start from the beginning
21:56	<garymc> ok
21:56	<alkisg> What problems do you need to solve?
21:56	1) DHCP server to autostart on boot
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21:56	<alkisg> 2) Set chrome as default browser for fat clients
21:56	Anything else?
21:56	<garymc> DHCP doesnt start on boot, so FAT cleitnst dont boot
21:57	<alkisg> Is that all? Any other problems?
21:57	<garymc> and after I messed up installing stuff today, I had to run : a Nat Ip command to get internet working again on the Clients
21:57	I can find that command if you give me a min
21:57	<alkisg> No need
21:57	<garymc> ok
21:57	<alkisg> Just tell me which problems you have
21:58	Are they just the 2 above?
21:58	<garymc> DHCP starting Automaticly after reboot
21:58	and Goggle Chrome as Defaut browser on all clients
21:58	*Google
21:58	*Default :P
21:58	<alkisg> OK, good. Can we restart the server if needed?
21:58	<garymc> yes
21:58	<alkisg> Are you near the server if network breaks and we cannot ssh to it?
21:59	<garymc> but I have no one to test a client as the office is now closed
21:59	<Hyperbyte> alkisg, I fixed dhcpd to start after interfaces using /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/02dhcpfix... have a look there.
21:59	<alkisg> Hyperbyte: why were you saying that network manager doesn't start on boot?
21:59	<Hyperbyte> After server boot, he did service network-manager restart
21:59	And it failed stopping, succeeded starting.
21:59	<garymc> no Iam 10 miles from office and since I have a new baby, missus would leave me if I went there to sort something out now
22:00	Shit
22:00	Hyperbyte
22:00	I did something else
22:00	i done sudo service dhcp3-server restart
22:00	I think
22:00	<alkisg> garymc: OK. But, you say that you have internet after reboot, right?
22:01	<garymc> yes
22:01	<alkisg> So, if we restart the server now, will you have ssh access after it boots?
22:01	<garymc> yes , i rebooted 2 hours ago
22:01	and we are in now
22:01	so I presume so
22:01	<alkisg> I'd like to see the logs after a clean reboot
22:01	And we didn't touch anything
22:01	So, if you will, do a reboot and connect to me with screen again
22:02	Then I want to look at the logs and see why dhcpd didn't start
22:03	<garymc> ok
22:03	are you gonna reboot it or shall I?
22:03	<alkisg> Please do
22:03	(I left the screen sharing)
22:04	<garymc> ok rebooting
22:04	Do I use same commands as ealrier for screen share?
22:05	<alkisg> Just the second one
22:05	socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1 && exec screen -x",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & exec screen -l
22:06	<garymc> done , you in?
22:06	<alkisg> Yup
22:07	<garymc> ok so network manager starts on boot
22:09	<alkisg> yes
22:09	Hyperbyte, garymc: did you run update-rc.d for dhcp3-server ?
22:10	<garymc> cant remeber , but it rings a bell in my head
22:10	but im cooking on gas
22:10	:P
22:10	<alkisg> It looks like it... :)
22:11	<garymc> methane
22:11	not butane
22:11	<alkisg> garymc: can we restart again, to see if dhcp is running now?
22:12	<garymc> yep
22:12	shall I?
22:12	<alkisg> Yup
22:12	<garymc> Ill let you in as soon as it reboots
22:12	can you check that my FAT Clients will have internet access in the morning?
22:13	can that be checked?
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22:13	<garymc> or is it a test and see type thing
22:13	* alkisg is using a vbox fat client for testing ;)
22:14	<alkisg> But yeah I'm sure Hyperbyte can explain the output of iptables for you
22:14	<garymc> ok cool, so your using a Virtual FAT client to see if it boots on my server?
22:15	you in?
22:15	<alkisg> No, i'm using a vm fat client on MY servers ;)
22:16	<Hyperbyte> garymc, you should look at iptables -L
22:16	<garymc> how o I know its working though?
22:17	<Hyperbyte> See if there are rules
22:17	<garymc> there are 3
22:17	<Hyperbyte> But you know what do if it isn't working, right?
22:17	The commands in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/02dhcpfix
22:17	If it isn't working tomorrow, just execute the commands there and it will.
22:18	But I'm sure alkisg will get it fixed.
22:18	<garymc> alkisg : that line in the fix is commented out. did you do that?
22:18	<Hyperbyte> garymc, count on it.
22:18	:P
22:18	<alkisg> garymc: yes
22:18	<Hyperbyte> See. :)
22:18	<garymc> oh ok, thought I might have done it by accident and caused all this
22:18	<Hyperbyte> I'm off to bed by the way
22:18	Have a good night!
22:18	<alkisg> BB Hyperbyte
22:18	<Hyperbyte> BB?
22:18	<garymc> ok hyperbyte thanks for the help again today
22:18	<alkisg> Bye Bye
22:18	<Hyperbyte> Oh
22:18	<alkisg> :)
22:19	garymc: what I don't like is that you have a network manager connection for eth1, but none for eth0
22:19	<Hyperbyte> garymc, you're welcome.
22:19	<garymc> I dont know why that is
22:19	<Hyperbyte> alkisg, he should have for both of them. I asked him to set them both up, and they both worked after reboot.
22:19	<alkisg> So, eth0 starts too late
22:19	<Hyperbyte> I'm really off now... later.
22:19	<alkisg> That's why dhcpd doesn't start
22:19	<garymc> bye
22:19	<alkisg> Good night Hyperbyte
22:19	<Hyperbyte> (dhcpd only runs on eth1, not eth0)
22:20	I can't help myself!
22:20	<garymc> so I need to go into the GUI and set it up
22:20	<alkisg> Haha
22:20	<Hyperbyte> dhcpd will start without eth0, not without eth1 though.
22:20	<alkisg> garymc: do you have access to the GUI?
22:20	<garymc> tommorow morning i will have
22:20	<Hyperbyte> Now I'm really really off. In fact I'll close the window immediately, that should prevent me from saying something again.
22:20	<alkisg> OK, let's leave it for then, it'll be better
22:20	Haha
22:20	* Hyperbyte hugs you both
22:20	<alkisg> Hyperbyte: booo
22:20	<Hyperbyte> Bye!
22:20	<alkisg> Bye!
22:20	<garymc> bye bye
22:21	Ok Alkisg : we leave this till tommorow
22:21	?
22:21	<alkisg> Yes but wait for 1 min...
22:21	<garymc> ok
22:23	<alkisg> OK, I put it back as it was
22:23	(removed the comments)
22:23	<garymc> ok
22:23	so we leave now
22:24	<alkisg> Good night, we try this tomorrow
22:24	<garymc> thanks
22:24	good night
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