IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 June 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:26 | <NeonLicht> Hello.
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| 02:20 | <NeonLicht> My thin clients download the kernel (.....done) and stops there doing nothing else (apparently). The server logs (/var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages) don't show anything either. I've been looking through the troubleshooting documentation, but I can't find what that could be caused by. Any ideas, please?
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| 03:35 | <alkisg> NeonLicht: strings /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 | grep ^PXELINUX
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| 03:37 | <alkisg> (anyway try with a more recent pxelinux)
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| 03:45 | <dingz> hi everyone, is there a way _not_ to center the LDM login box?
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| 05:03 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 06:07 | <NeonLicht> Morning mgariepy.
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| 06:11 | <NeonLicht> My thin clients download the kernel (.....done) and stops there doing nothing else (apparently). The server logs (/var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages) don't show anything either. I've been looking through the troubleshooting documentation, but I can't find what that could be caused by. Any ideas, please?
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| 06:17 | <Gnoze5> hi
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| 06:18 | <andygraybeal> omgs good mornrininginggin!@
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| 06:22 | <Gnoze5> lol good afternoon..
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| 06:22 | <andygraybeal> l;)
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| 07:00 | <Gnoze5> hey alkisg
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| 07:00 | :)
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| 07:01 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 07:02 | <Gnoze5> alkisg do you know iTalc?
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| 07:02 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 07:02 | we used to use it in schools here but it crashed too often and there was no feedback from the maintainer so we dropped it
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| 07:04 | <Gnoze5> what does it use? vnc?
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> Yes, but encrypted for safety. We didn't like that either, it slows vnc down 5 times.
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| 07:05 | <Gnoze5> im sure you could turn off encryption though no?
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> No
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| 07:07 | <Gnoze5> crazy.
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| 07:10 | so you opted to do your own vnc no encryption ?
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| 07:13 | <alkisg> We're just using x11vnc and vinagre, we didn't see a reason to make our own vnc
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| 07:13 | Of course we automate that with sch-scripts (thumbnails, double click opens x11vnc etc)
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| 07:24 | <Gnoze5> makes sense
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| 07:27 | <NeonLicht> alkisg: when I do 'strings /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 | grep ^PXELINUX' as you sugessted, I get: PXELINUX 4.02 debian-20101014
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> NeonLicht: is that Squeeze?
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| 07:28 | <NeonLicht> Yes, it is.
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| 07:28 | <alkisg> I've seen some versions of pxelinux fail with certain clients, that's why I suggested trying with a different pxelinux.0 version
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| 07:28 | <frankensteen91> hi
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| 07:29 | <NeonLicht> | |
| 07:29 | <frankensteen91> i have a Problem with LTSP and the Guest-Login
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> NeonLicht: you just download one (from debian, from ubuntu, from upstream...) and overwrite /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 with it
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| 07:30 | NeonLicht: do you have that problem with different types of clients? Or all are the same type?
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| 07:30 | <NeonLicht> Ah, really? Dou you know of any that works fine?
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| 07:30 | I have only three, atm, all of them behave the same.
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> NeonLicht: as I said, it depends on the clients. I'm not sure that this is your problem. It's just an idea, you can try different versions and see if it helps your case.
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| 07:31 | <NeonLicht> I don't think it is, but I don't know what to do, since there is nothing in the log files or on the clients screens...
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| 07:31 | <frankensteen91> i have set LDM_GUESTLOGIN to true but it do not work
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> NeonLicht: that makes sense, since the kernel isn't running so it can't use the logs
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| 07:32 | NeonLicht: can you try with a VM client? Virtualbox, qemu etc?
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| 07:32 | <NeonLicht> I mean the server logs. If the clients did anything through the network the sewrver would log it.
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> How would it log the client kernel failing to load?
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| 07:32 | <NeonLicht> Yes, I could, if I knew how to do it.
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> frankensteen91: do you see a button on the login screen on ldm?
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| 07:33 | <NeonLicht> I don't know how to "place" the VM on the same network as the thin clients, really.
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| 07:33 | <frankensteen91> yes i see it
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| 07:34 | <NeonLicht> I'm not saying it would log the kernel failing.
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> frankensteen91: and the problem is that when you click it, you cannot login?
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| 07:34 | <frankensteen91> yes i get a german nonsaying string as error
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> frankensteen91: I mean a [Guest login] button
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| 07:35 | <frankensteen91> but i have the button [Anmeldung als Gast]
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> And can you login normally, by manually providing a username/password?
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| 07:35 | <frankensteen91> yes the normal login is possible
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> OK, did you set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD in lts.conf?
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| 07:36 | <frankensteen91> oki is it not the ubuntu-guest?
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> No
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| 07:37 | It's a method to login to a specific user account
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| 07:37 | The name "guest" is a little misleading :)
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| 07:37 | <frankensteen91> oki and tha password as md5?
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> Nope, plain text
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| 07:38 | <frankensteen91> oki thx
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| 07:43 | <frankensteen91> i hope it works at shool
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> You'll need to specify LDM_USERNAME/password for each computer at school
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| 07:47 | You cannot use one for all of them
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| 07:58 | <NeonLicht> c4r4c0l4
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| 07:58 | c4r4c0l4
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| 07:59 | <andygraybeal> hopefully that is not your password :)
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| 07:59 | <Lumiere> I bet it is
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| 07:59 | /ns ghost NeonLicht ... XD
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| 07:59 | <andygraybeal> neon lights, and lumens .... omg
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| 08:00 | it's awful bright in here
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| 08:00 | <Lumiere> hey it works!
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| 08:02 | <andygraybeal> kraftwerk rules, btw.
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| 08:11 | <Roasted> hey guys - has anybody used unity on ltsp yet?
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| 08:14 | <andygraybeal> i'm scared too :P
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| 08:14 | i've seen talk about it in the mail list
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| 10:25 | <wanradt_> Hi!
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| 10:25 | Having here weird problem, googleing did not give much.
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| 10:26 | So, trying set up LTSP5 server based on Ubuntu 10.04
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| 10:26 | All thin clients are set from BIOS to boot from Network Card
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| 10:26 | Oldest terminal (Compaq Deskpro PII@300, from year 2000) machine goes fine and everything works.
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| 10:26 | Other two (IBM Thinkpad and HP Compaq Evo, from about 2006) booting nicely to the login screen, except there will NO LOGIN DIALOG (nor session information on lower corner), just white canvas with orange blotch over it
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| 10:26 | Mouse moves, Ctr+ALt+F1 goes nicely to first terminal, so everything looks nice, but there is no login dialog...
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| 10:26 | What may be wrong?
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> Try this: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:31 | And replace "quiet splash" there with "nomodeset"
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| 10:54 | <wanradt_> it worked!
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| 10:54 | <wanradt_> thank you, alkisg!
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| 12:43 | <andygraybeal> what would be the easiest way to do a demonstration on LTSP to select clients? I guess just like ITALC, i've never used italc though. Maybe italc is the answer though.
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| 12:43 | and will i be able to do this with different screen resolutions?
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> Try italc first. If it doesn't work on yourj setup then you can use x11vnc.
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| 12:45 | <andygraybeal> okay, thank yuo - does italc work in 10.04?
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> `sudo apt-get install italc-master` + logoff/logon should be enough
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| 12:45 | <andygraybeal> ooh nice :)
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| 12:45 | so fun!
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> It's not per ubuntu version, it's per... computer lab
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| 12:45 | It works in some labs, not in others
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| 12:46 | <andygraybeal> hm.. weird, thank you - is it resolution independant? cause i got some 1280x1024 and then i got some bigger monitors at some other resolution that never sticks in my head (new fangled monitors...)
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| 12:46 | oh and i think i have some regular older ones at 1024x768
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| 12:47 | oh, also do i need to do something in chroot to the client image? like install italc-slave ?
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> You can set all clients to the same resolution e.g. 1024x768 for the presentation. Not sure if italc supports scaling, but x11vnc surely does.
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| 12:47 | for starters, don't touch your chroot. If italc has problems, *then* try installing it to the chroot as well.
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| 12:48 | <andygraybeal> awesome thank you!
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768 in lts.conf
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| 12:49 | <andygraybeal> okay, awesome thank you for that too.
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> me flounders trying to figure out how to explain ltsp-trunk 1812 in plain english for a commit log
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> stgraber: ah, cool. you synced with debian's ldm packaging :)
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| 13:58 | <stgraber> vagrantc: hmm, not that I remember :) though I remember merging a good part of your changes last cycle
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> stgraber: in december, looks like you merged most packaging changes
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| 13:59 | the diff is much smaller than i remember :)
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| 13:59 | <stgraber> vagrantc: hopefully this cycle I should be able to review the remaining delta and maybe then just sync from Debian
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> stgraber: there are probably a few things that will probably stay different for the forseeable future
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| 14:02 | gtk2-engines-clearlooks is part of a huge package in debian ...
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| 14:02 | so ironically i use gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks
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| 14:03 | though maybe i should just drop that stupid patch and eat the extra 1MB of installed cruft.
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> maybe it used to have some stupid recommends, too ...
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| 14:15 | <andygraybeal> alright, it looks like italc is working for me
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| 14:15 | and it does scale displays
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i'm a little fuzzy on the language selection changes to ldm ...
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| 14:50 | stgraber: there used to be two different variables ... one was for setting the language that the greeter appeared in ... and the other was for selecting the language the user wanted on the logged in session
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| 14:51 | and it used to default to not setting any language variables if no language was configured...
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| 14:51 | i.e. the default on the server
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| 14:56 | <koalinux> hello
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| 14:56 | i need help
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| 14:57 | i 'd like to login on tty1 instead of ldm
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| 14:57 | but when i try to do it i always get the following reply:
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| 14:57 | login incorrect
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> you would need to configure users in the thin-client chroot
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| 14:58 | koalinux: why do you want to do that?
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| 14:59 | <koalinux> because i want to chroot in thin client
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| 14:59 | i tried
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| 14:59 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> what's your end goal?
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| 15:00 | <koalinux> i'd like to be free to administrate my server from thin client
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| 15:00 | (sorry for my english if i said something wrong)
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| 15:00 | (i'm italian)
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> the thin client is not a writeable environment, so it wouldn't work
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| 15:01 | <koalinux> So, can't I run commands in pxe image?
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> you can run commands, but it won't affect the server
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| 15:03 | <koalinux> so..is it possible to include fglrx drivers in the kernwl image chrooting?
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> possibly
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| 15:04 | you would do that from the server, though
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| 15:04 | <koalinux> ok
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| 15:04 | so i can chroot
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> i.e. chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:04 | yes.
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| 15:04 | <koalinux> then install fglrx
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> what distro?
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| 15:04 | <koalinux> ubuntu 11.04
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| 15:05 | the have i to update the kernel image typing ltsp-update-kernel?
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-image
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| 15:05 | <koalinux> just ltsp-update-image?
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> (which i think also runs ltsp-update-kernels)
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| 15:06 | <koalinux> oh,wow
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> i *think* so, but running ltsp-update-kernels again won't hurt
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| 15:06 | <koalinux> :)
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| 15:06 | is it deprecated?
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> it's totally different
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| 15:06 | <koalinux> ?
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> it's like saying an apple was deprecated because you have a potato
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| 15:07 | they do different things
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| 15:07 | or that a bicycle was deprecated because you have a pencil
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| 15:08 | <koalinux> so what is the function of update kernels?
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> it updates the tftp dirs with the new kerenl
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| 15:08 | ltsp-update-image updates the NBD images
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| 15:09 | <koalinux> so when I tell it to update the image, does it update also the tftp dirs?
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> i think so, but i don't remember.
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| 15:10 | i run debian which doesn't need ltsp-update-image at all, just ltsp-update-kernels
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| 15:11 | <koalinux> Whith debian are you able to build an "arm" based architecture client?
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> yes :)
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| 15:12 | <koalinux> wow:)
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| 15:13 | thank you very much for helping me
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> it's not well tested, but it can be done
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| 15:14 | i developed the arm support in ltsp's debian in 2009 with a sheevaplug ...
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| 15:14 | <koalinux> that's great!
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| 15:14 | i think one day i'll try:)
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> tested it a little with an efikamx the last year or so
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| 15:15 | <koalinux> i'd like to try with a lacie network space
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| 15:16 | or with a device called (in italy) fastweb video station
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| 15:16 | is a sort of sky decoder
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| 15:21 | i tried to make a script in /opt/ltsp/etc/init.d/auto_login
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| 15:21 | #!/bin/sh
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| 15:21 | su -user
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| 15:21 | sorry
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| 15:21 | su user
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| 15:22 | but it doesn't work
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| 15:22 | I always get ltsp login on tty1
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> use screen scripts
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| 15:23 | SCREEN_07=shell
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| 15:23 | will give you a shell
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| 15:23 | <koalinux> mm interesting
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> there are various examples in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d
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| 15:26 | <koalinux> i'm trying
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| 15:52 | <koalinux> goodnight friends
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| 15:52 | thank you
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