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02:27 | <jimishol> i managed to install ltsp in hope that my sun could play 3d accelarated games with his thin client computer using graphic card of the server. I'm afraid this is not the case. Should i continue searching or it is not possible to use server's graphic card capabilities? txs
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02:28 | <alkisg> X server uses the graphics card of the client it runs on. If it supports 3D (e.g. some intel cards), it'll use it.
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02:32 | <jimishol> so i use client's card but server's disk , processor and ram ?
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02:32 | <alkisg> Right
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02:40 | <jimishol> wanted to test ltsp from my laptop using wireless connection i had to boot from virtual machine within laptop's linux. should i create some live boot disk that should allow me to boot with wireless connection so as the client's user to have the option to boot in some light os or through server using ltsp
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02:41 | <alkisg> You want to boot your son's PC through wireless?
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02:42 | <jimishol> yes or buy 25m cable. its something i have to decide
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02:42 | <alkisg> What are the specs of that PC? cpu/ram/graphics card?
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02:42 | (and HD, if any?)
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02:44 | <jimishol> hmm :) 196Mb ram, 400Mz cpu some 20Gb disk that has xubuntu installed as for graphics card i am not sure i'll check but i could find some chip card with 3d accelaration i guess
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08:59 | <mnemoc> hi, noob question, any idea why br1 isn't getting the primary ip address i need http://dpaste.com/275126/ ?
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09:00 | br1/eth1 is connected to the switch where the thin clients will live
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09:05 | there is no error message, or warning, but br1 doesn't have an ip :<
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09:10 | anything "obvisly" missing in that interfaces file?
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09:29 | \o/
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09:30 | it was static instead of manual :p
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09:30 | damn noob
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10:02 | <Trixboxer> Hi, could someone please tell me where does the lts.conf resides in ubuntu 10.04 ?
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10:03 | Im setting up NFS home and I made changes in /etc/lts.conf in client environment, but kernel seems not knowing the new changes
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10:04 | <mnemoc> /var/lib/tftpboot/ usually
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10:04 | so clients can fetch it
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10:04 | <Trixboxer> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ ? or /var/lib/tftpboot/ ?
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10:04 | <mnemoc> parallel to the pxelinux.0 you are using
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10:04 | <Trixboxer> ok
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10:05 | thanks
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10:05 | <mnemoc> yw
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10:06 | <Trixboxer> mnemoc: Do I need to build the client once again ?
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10:08 | <mnemoc> no, just restart and it will grab it
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10:09 | <Trixboxer> ok let me see :)
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10:09 | do you know the difference between the --fat-client --fat-client-desktop ? I'm little confused
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10:11 | <mnemoc> no clue, i'm noob
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10:11 | <Trixboxer> so I'm noob^2..
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10:22 | <mnemoc> Trixboxer: the difference is that I already had some fun looking at the logs of tftpd :)
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10:22 | in verbose mode
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10:23 | <Trixboxer> hmm, what you saw
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10:23 | ?
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10:23 | <mnemoc> client trying to fetch a not existant lts.conf file :)
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10:24 | so I was able to answer your question
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10:24 | <Trixboxer> oh you mean the file must be in pxelinux.0 dir ?
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10:24 | <mnemoc> pxelinux.cfg is a dir, .0 is a file
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10:25 | client moves to the dir where pxelinux.0 lives, and does everything from there
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10:25 | <Trixboxer> yes
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10:29 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: --fat-client == install the same DE that the server already has. --fat-client-desktop == specify a DE in the command line.
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10:31 | <Trixboxer> oh cool
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10:32 | is there any doc which specifies what all type of desktops I can have ?
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10:32 | <mnemoc> DE = gnome, xfce, kde, lxde, ...
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10:34 | <alkisg> ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop etc
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10:35 | <Trixboxer> ok, client build up is going on.. will try some desktops
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10:35 | I like kde
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10:35 | <alkisg> Not all of them are verified to work
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10:36 | E.g. kubuntu-desktop will probably get to kdm instead of gdm, and you'd have to manually switch to ldm after the installation...
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10:37 | (not verified to work == on a fat chroot with the current installation method, I mean)
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10:37 | <Trixboxer> ok.. I got it
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11:00 | <mnemoc> any idea why ubuntu documentation suggests to use dnsmasq for giving dns to thin clients but not for tftp or dhcp? isn't it cleaner to centralize all the configuration in one tool in the cases where it's possible? (like with dnsmasq)
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11:00 | <alkisg> mnemoc: what ubuntu documentation? link?
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11:01 | <mnemoc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSetupLTSPDevelEnvironment
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11:01 | <alkisg> mnemoc: those are community wiki pages, any person writes there whatever he thinks is useful
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11:02 | <mnemoc> alkisg: and what do you think? :)
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11:02 | <alkisg> E.g. I'm using dnsmasq for dns and proxydhcp, but not tftp. If you want to use dnsmasq for everything, just go for it...
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11:02 | <mnemoc> any reason to not use dnsmasq for dhcp/tftp in an ltsp network?
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11:02 | <alkisg> LTSP comes with a dependency on tftpd-hpa, so I don't want to have to workaround it on installations, and never had problems with it. So I'm just leaving it there and use dnsmasq for the rest
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11:03 | I.e. you can't remove tftpd-hpa, you need to disable it.
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11:03 | <mnemoc> ic
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11:04 | <alkisg> dhcp3-server is a dependency on ltsp-server-standalone, but not on ltsp-server. So it's much easier to remove it and use dnsmasq for dhcp.
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11:04 | Hmm sorry it seems that was changed in Lucid
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11:04 | tftpd-hpa is in "Recommends:" now, so it's easy to remove it as well.
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11:05 | * mnemoc shooting dhcp3-server down | |
11:05 | <alkisg> mnemoc: before you do, verify that you don't have ltsp-server-standalone installed
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11:05 | Ooooh sorry again, changed in Lucid too :D
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11:05 | Nice, so that can be harmlessly removed even if one installed ltsp-server-standalone.
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11:06 | <mnemoc> I do... but it doidn't ask me to uninstall any other package
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11:06 | :D
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11:06 | <alkisg> It used to be in "Depends:", but it's now in "Recommends:", probably thanks to stgraber :)
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11:17 | <AndyGraybeal> do you guys mind if i ask NFS questions here? i kno it's off topic., if you do mind, where do you recommend i go?
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11:18 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal: generally when there's not much traffic on the channel people here don't mind about slightly off-topic questions, so yeah just go ahead and ask
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11:18 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: hi, Im doing NFS Home, as far now I have kept my lts.conf in tftpboot i386 dir and then updated the image and rebooted the client.. but the kernel is not using NFS_HOME
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11:18 | <alkisg> Did you install nfs-client on your chroot?
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11:19 | <Trixboxer> yeah nfs-common
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11:19 | <alkisg> And is your /home exported on the server?
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11:20 | <Trixboxer> yes
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11:20 | <alkisg> On the server, try: sudo mount -t nfs server-ip:/home /mnt
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11:20 | Scratch that
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11:20 | Go on a client and try it from there
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11:21 | <Trixboxer> ok
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11:21 | <AndyGraybeal> do you have to type mount -t nfs4 ?
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11:21 | <alkisg> (you'll need root access, do you know how to get it on fat clients?)
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11:21 | <AndyGraybeal> or just nfs?
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11:21 | <Trixboxer> plain nfs
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11:21 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal: nfs for v3, nfs4 for v4
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11:21 | <AndyGraybeal> ah ok
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11:22 | i love the nfs4 acl's. i'm still trying to wrap my head around all of this.
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11:23 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: could you please share the lts.conf and its location ?
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11:23 | <alkisg> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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11:23 | [Default]
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11:23 | NFS_HOME=/home
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11:24 | <Trixboxer> ok i think I dont have [Default] in it
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11:24 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo#NFSv4%20quick%20start
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11:24 | <AndyGraybeal> alkisg: i've been reading this :) thank you though for the link.
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11:24 | * alkisg wants to switch to NFS4 too on the next ubuntu lts... | |
11:25 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: and after that I just need to do ltsp-update-image ?
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11:25 | <AndyGraybeal> i think i need the ACL functions of NFS4
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11:25 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: no, just reboot the client, but...
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11:25 | ...also put SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm to get root access if you need it for troubleshooting
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11:25 | !screen_02
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11:25 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "screen_02" is not a valid command.
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11:26 | <alkisg> !SCREEN_02
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11:26 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "SCREEN_02" is not a valid command.
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11:26 | <alkisg> dah
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11:26 | !shell
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11:26 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "shell" is not a valid command.
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11:29 | <Trixboxer> aah, my TFTP ..
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11:30 | Error: Failed to connect to NBD server
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11:30 | <komunista> please, has ltspbot some interface to list all info in it?
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11:31 | <alkisg> No idea, it's a supybot so I guess there's a man page for it somewhere
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11:33 | <AndyGraybeal> alkisg: i must confess, i've been using openindiana to play with zfs and nfs4 due to their compatibility with ACLs
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11:33 | alkisg: i'm going to bring up an Ubuntu 10.04 NFS Server to see if i can get it to work better.
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11:34 | alkisg: i'm donloading freebsd also because it supports zfs
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11:34 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: I can see that home dir is able to get mounted on chrooted environment
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11:34 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: from a thin client?
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11:34 | *fat
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11:35 | <Trixboxer> no.. fat client is not yet started due to NBD error.. Im chrooting through server
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11:36 | <alkisg> Maybe solve the NBD problem first, and then the NFS problem?
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11:37 | E.g. you may not have an NFS problem at all, after putting [Default] in lts.conf
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11:37 | <Trixboxer> Dont you think that "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default" should have some info about NFS rather than NBD ?
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11:37 | yes [Default] is there
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11:38 | <alkisg> No, as NFS isn't used for booting
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11:38 | <Trixboxer> ok
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11:38 | <alkisg> I think you need to look into your NBD problem first, before troubleshooting NFS on fat clients that won't boot
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11:38 | <Trixboxer> its a NBD port mismatch
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11:47 | <Trixboxer> NBD working now
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11:47 | <alkisg> komunista: e.g.:
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11:47 | !factoids search #ltsp b*
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11:47 | <ltspbot> alkisg: 'bestltspdistro', 'bootfloppy', 'bbq', 'bts', and 'button_layout'
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11:47 | <alkisg> !factoids search #ltsp c*
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11:47 | <ltspbot> alkisg: 'checklist' and 'compiz'
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11:47 | <alkisg> etc etc
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11:48 | <Trixboxer> logs are showing that the /home folder is mounted
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11:48 | <komunista> alkisg: nice and sufficient :-)
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11:49 | <Trixboxer> but now the login screen stucks at verifying password and then No response from server
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11:51 | <alkisg> Did you change your server's ip?
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11:51 | <Trixboxer> yes
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11:51 | <alkisg> You need sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image every time you change your server IP
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11:51 | <Trixboxer> ok, I did ltsp-update-sshkeys.. updating the image now
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11:51 | <AndyGraybeal> or if you install openssh
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11:52 | <alkisg> That should be automatically installed as an ltsp-server dependency, before the chroot is built
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11:53 | <AndyGraybeal> i installed openssh onto my clients.. and i could not log on, that was just to weeks ago. alkisg helped me out :)
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11:53 | <alkisg> On the clients?! And that affected the server keys?!
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11:53 | <AndyGraybeal> something made it so no one could log in, i don't get it.
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11:53 | i did the update ssh key thing, lik eyou said and all was well
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11:54 | the IT gods hate me :)
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11:54 | <alkisg> :D
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11:55 | * alkisg doesn't use sshkeys at all... unsecure, but it allows for a dynamic server IP, e.g. a laptop as an ltsp server | |
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12:08 | <uday> I'm planning to deploy ltsp5 on debian lenny for my college
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12:08 | <Trixboxer> uday: How many clients ?
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12:08 | <uday> expected number of clients is 25 with at least a dual core cpu with 512 MB RAM
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12:09 | Confused about choice of server confuguration.
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12:10 | <Trixboxer> uday: Go for fat clients if you can.. they are really good in production environment for me.. and the important part is you need not worry about server config
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12:10 | you can have same machine as that of any client
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12:12 | <uday> here my intended purpose is for net surfing by students for academic purposes at maximum
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12:12 | and keeping the data at one place
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12:15 | <Trixboxer> yes, it will work
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12:15 | are you expecting 25 at a time ?
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12:16 | <uday> yes 25 at a time. or may be 2 or 3 of them doing simple word processing or so.
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12:17 | <alkisg> Client specs? cpu/ram?
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12:17 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, forgive me, but how do i get around NFS's nogroup, nouser thing when my client connects?
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12:17 | or is that normal?
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12:18 | <uday> client is at least an intel Dual core with 512 MB
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12:18 | <alkisg> For thin clients, you'll need much more ram on the server, at least 2 Gb
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12:18 | For fat clients your server + clients are modest but OK, but I'm not sure if they're supported on Lenny.
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12:19 | <johnny> AndyGraybeal, normal probably..
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12:19 | depending on what you mean tho
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12:20 | <alkisg> If you choose fat clients, the dual core CPU is more than OK but 512 RAM are the lowest minimum for booting a normal linux os nowadays...
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12:20 | <AndyGraybeal> johnny: i'm hoping to have groups with access to only the directories that their group owns.
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12:21 | but maybe i just need to read more.
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12:21 | <Trixboxer> uday: why not ubuntu 10.04 lucid ?
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12:22 | or 10.10 maverick ?
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12:22 | <crazed> awesome :) local apps are cool
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12:22 | firefox runs much better now
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12:22 | and saves a ton of resources on the ltsp server
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12:23 | <Trixboxer> crazed: on thin client ?
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12:23 | <crazed> yes
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12:24 | <Trixboxer> crazed: hmm.. I use fat ones.. and was still having problem with firefox but now after changing the hardware of thin clients all runs smooth
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12:24 | <crazed> the thin client hardware here is like 1ghz processor and 512mb of ram
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12:24 | only firefox runs from it
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12:24 | <Trixboxer> :)
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12:25 | I have 1.8ghz and 1gb+ ram
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12:25 | <crazed> yeah i think the new ones are somewhere around there
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12:25 | but the majority are still the old ones
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12:25 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: NFS home is working good.. just adding few more users and rebuilding the image with "chrome" browser
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12:26 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: just keep in mind that NFS for /home has some security implications
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12:26 | <uday> I had thought of intel core i7 with 4GB RAM as server for 25 clients of dual core and 512 MB or the same server with intel atom+512 MB RAM
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12:26 | <Trixboxer> yeah
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12:26 | <uday> do you think I should go for a fat client
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12:26 | <crazed> i'm doing ldap for users, keeps uid/gid mappsing sane across ltsp servers
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12:26 | <Trixboxer> reading automount.. but I dont think that will help in this env
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12:26 | <AndyGraybeal> yes, this uid/gid thing is a nightmare.
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12:27 | <Trixboxer> automount has good feature.. using it I can mount the home dir of only that user5 who logs in
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12:27 | <crazed> that is pretty cool
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12:27 | <Trixboxer> uday: I would say yes..
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12:27 | crazed: cluster ?
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12:27 | <crazed> nah no cluster
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12:27 | just different ones per location
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12:28 | <Trixboxer> ok
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12:28 | <alkisg> uday: If you want lenny, I'd suggest the better server + using localapps because I'm not sure about lenny's fat client support. If you're ok with switching to Ubuntu, I'd suggest keeping your existing server + using fat clients. But that's just a personal suggestion, better try your options yourself and see what works best for you.
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12:28 | <uday> I hope now i need to read a little more
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12:29 | <Trixboxer> Yooo chrome worked flawlessly :)
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12:29 | thanks alkisg and all
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12:29 | <uday> thanks all
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12:29 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: we're using it here in a lot of schools, yup, works fine :)
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12:29 | <uday> see you soon with something like that
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12:30 | <alkisg> Most schools here have fat clients setups and clients with < 512 RAM boot automatically as thin clients
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12:30 | (from the same chroot)
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12:30 | <Trixboxer> and wow I can also peek in other users home dir :)
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12:30 | just kidding .. I dont want that.. hey I can do one thing
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12:30 | idea
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12:31 | <alkisg> chmod 700 /home/* :D
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12:31 | <Trixboxer> hmm.. idea cancel.. was not feasible
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12:32 | will try alkisg
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12:32 | your idea
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12:33 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: Great.. its safe now :)
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12:33 | <AndyGraybeal> crazed: are you using ldap/kerb ?
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12:33 | <crazed> i have a question regarding the LDM_SERVER setting, i can select various hosts from that variable
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12:33 | AndyGraybeal: nah just ldap
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12:34 | but doesn't seem to be able to login to any of the other ones
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12:34 | i get a request timed out error
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12:34 | <Trixboxer> ok guys.. its my sleeping time now.. good night
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12:34 | <crazed> where would the logs for this be?
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12:34 | <AndyGraybeal> night trixboxer
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12:34 | <alkisg> Night
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12:34 | <Trixboxer> AndyGraybeal: bye.. I thinks its day at your side :)
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12:34 | think*
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12:34 | noon
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12:35 | <alkisg> crazed: distro/version?
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12:35 | <crazed> alkisg: ubuntu 10.04
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12:35 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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12:35 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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12:35 | <alkisg> crazed: logon to the server that works, then open a localxterm, and inside it run: ssh user@other-server
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12:35 | See if you get any warnings about keys etc, then it's an ssh-keys problem
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12:36 | <crazed> hm
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12:36 | <crazed> ah would the whole accepting the rsa key cause the isue?
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12:36 | <alkisg> Yes
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12:37 | Better yet try it from SCREEN_02=shell
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12:37 | (instead of from a localxterm)
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12:37 | Then if you accept the keys on the command line, ldm will also work until you reboot
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12:38 | <crazed> ah
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12:38 | so should i get into the chroot
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12:38 | actually how do i solve that
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12:38 | <AndyGraybeal> update keys?
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12:38 | <crazed> what do you mean
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12:39 | <AndyGraybeal> i'm waiting for alkisg :)
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12:39 | ssh-update-keys or something
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12:39 | <alkisg> !learn SCREEN_02 as To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client, put these in your lts.conf: [Default]{enter}SCREEN_02=shell{enter}SCREEN_07=ldm{enter}. Then reboot the client, and press Alt+Ctrl+F2 to get to the root shell.
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12:39 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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12:39 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal, crazed, no, manual import of the other PC's ssh keys would be needed
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12:40 | I think ltsp-cluster automates all that, but I've never used it.
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12:40 | <AndyGraybeal> aah interesting.
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12:40 | <crazed> manual import of the keys
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12:40 | to where?
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12:41 | <alkisg> To the chroot /etc/ssh
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12:41 | So that they know the servers they're connecting to
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12:41 | <crazed> ah!
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12:41 | <alkisg> Try the SCREEN_02=shell trick first to verify that this is indeed your problem.
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12:41 | <crazed> under ssh_known_hosts
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12:41 | okay
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12:48 | awesome, that was the problem!
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13:00 | <mnemoc> hi, does this panic http://dpaste.com/275190/ on nbd (ubuntu 10.10) look familiar to anyone?
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14:13 | <alkisg> Can anyone suggest a very cheap thin client? Anything small with even 128MB RAM would do...
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14:14 | <mnemoc> lucidatech's lt1600 is US$103 fob
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14:15 | <alkisg> Looks good!
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14:16 | <mnemoc> that price includes a 128M DOM too
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14:16 | <alkisg> What does DOM mean?
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14:16 | <mnemoc> disk-on-module
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14:16 | basically local storage
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14:16 | <alkisg> Ah, something like an embedded usb stick? Nice!
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14:16 | <mnemoc> they are usually flash on ide
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14:17 | faking an idea harddrive
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14:17 | ide*
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14:18 | <mnemoc> lt2600 (with parallel port) is US$120 per unit
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14:19 | <alkisg> Nah, I don't even need a vga/audio port :D
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14:19 | <mnemoc> :)
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14:34 | <alkisg> mnemoc: about the kernel panic, never seen that, but nbd9 is used for "testing if a newer image is available, and if it is, reboot in 10 secs". So you can safely comment out that part of the code if you wish.
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19:15 | <cliebow> heyhey..i am in the hands of the enemy..sent to take Apple training
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