IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 12 April 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:27 | <moritz> I'd like to use Edubuntu with Virtualbox enabled as a Local App - do Local Apps work well these days or would it be rather hard to get this working?
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| 06:45 | <Q-FUNK> how do we bypass packages that try to restart an init.d script in the chroot, again?
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| 06:47 | <stgraber> Q-FUNK: export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS="false" with the modified start-stop-daemon may help
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| 06:51 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: well, no. that doens't solve the issue of installing upgrades.
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| 07:01 | <Q-FUNK> but thanks anyway :)
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| 07:02 | <IRCzito> Guys, where I can found jetpipe source?
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| 07:02 | project page
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| 07:03 | <Q-FUNK> jetåipe?
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| 07:04 | <IRCzito> Q-FUNK: yea
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| 07:06 | Q-FUNK: an lp_server replacement
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| 07:07 | <herson> :)
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| 07:09 | <ogra> IRCzito, its suposed to move into its own source tree at some point, for now it sits somewhere in the ltsp source
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| 07:09 | <IRCzito> ogra: ow, thanks :D
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| 07:09 | bzr
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| 07:09 | <herson> IRCzito: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe
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| 07:09 | <ogra> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 07:10 | herson, thats ancient :)
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| 07:10 | <herson> hehehe
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| 07:10 | oh yeah
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| 07:10 | <ogra> thats jetpipe: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/vagrant%40freegeek.org-20080411163710-enx278andfudnhwn?file_id=jetpipe-20061206173433-pmrfiu61j4wm2itf-2
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| 07:10 | <IRCzito> ogra: wath script launch jetpipe on the client?
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| 07:10 | <herson> i see in your page
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| 07:10 | <ogra> (you will notice it didnt change much though :))
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| 07:11 | IRCzito, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/vagrant%40freegeek.org-20080411163710-enx278andfudnhwn?file_id=x_Matt_Zimmerman_<matt.zimmerman%40canonical.com>_Tue_May__3_20%3A51%3A41_2005_6467.0
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| 07:12 | the configure_printer function in that initscript
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| 07:13 | <IRCzito> ogra: I know the lts.conf, but i try do made it work in Fedora LTSP. And I dont found where client read PRINTER_0_DEVICE variable
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| 07:14 | <ogra> line 113 in the last script link i pasted
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| 07:14 | eval DEVICE=\$\{PRINTER_${I}_DEVICE\}
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| 07:15 | <Q-FUNK> darn X. DDC is broken again on amd/geode and, even worse, it fails to support any other resolution than the default 800x600. yet, this driver can give impossibly large resolutions if compiled against an older X core.
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| 07:16 | * ogra wondes where all these scary baslashes come from | |
| 07:16 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, but thats ony autodetection, right ?
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| 07:16 | <IRCzito> ogra: thanks :D
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| 07:16 | <ogra> if i hardcode resolutions it will work
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| 07:19 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: no, even specifying the resolution in xorg.conf fails. X insists on reporting bad freq ratio that it cannot use
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| 07:19 | <ogra> gah
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| 07:19 | i thought the -geode upload fixes the world :/
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| 07:20 | <Q-FUNK> well, it again seems that this ix x core related.
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| 07:20 | that x86emu is such a piece of crap!
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| 07:20 | <ogra> did the former -amd work better with that ?
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| 07:22 | <Q-FUNK> well, that's the funny part: amd 2.7.7.7 worked fine until a few days ago. now, even that one fails at DDC.
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| 07:22 | so this really points at an X.org core issue
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| 07:24 | and as it so happens, xserver-xorg-core was indeed updated during the last few days
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| 07:31 | heck, even 2.7.7.6 no longer detects the optimal rez
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| 07:34 | <Q-FUNK> and 2.7.7.6 is what i deployed in estonian embassies and it positively worked
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| 07:34 | <ogra> hmm
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| 07:35 | probably a patch ?
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> stgraber, hi, are you here?
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| 07:41 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm irgendwie ist eine Y kuppllung nich so prickelnd wenn man den kopfhörer leise stellen kann .. der zieht die ganze anlage mit runter
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| 07:41 | <laga> K_O-Gnom: wrong channel? :)
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| 07:43 | <K_O-Gnom> laga: nö die y kupplung hängt an der gentoo maschine :-P
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| 07:46 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: yes, but a patch in x core, once again
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| 07:46 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, right, i just want to know if we could avoid breaking it with the sync
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| 07:47 | <K_O-Gnom> laga: hmm yes wrong chang :-/
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| 07:47 | <ogra> i can point bryce to look at the patch if i know which one breaks it
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| 07:47 | <laga> K_O-Gnom: :)
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| 07:47 | <K_O-Gnom> laga: got to many chans opened ... thougt here was #gentoo-anfenger
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| 07:47 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: the sync won't chnage a thing. the problem is not the amd/geode driver.
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| 07:48 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, the sync will change that people try the driver and will complain
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| 07:48 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: there's alreayd reports of -amd no longer working with DDC
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| 07:48 | so it won't chnage anything with that either
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| 07:48 | <ogra> so being able to identify whats broken in advance would help
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| 07:48 | <Q-FUNK> whatever crappy patch broke it in x core already made its damage
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| 07:49 | <ogra> (and probably having a chance to fix it during this week)
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| 07:49 | <Q-FUNK> whether we sync geode in or not won't magically revert X core to the last known good
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| 07:49 | <ogra> right, i'd like to rule out the "whatever" from your above sentence :)
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| 07:49 | <stgraber> alkisg: yes
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| 07:49 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 07:50 | ogra: me too, except that I have no idea which of those patches did it. i just know that 2.7.7.7-1 has been working fine until now and the onyl chnage that occured were new xerver-xorg-core uploads.
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> stgraber, hi again. In demo mode=on, on LTSP clients, the screen refresh is way too slow. I have to wait about 5 seconds for all the clients to see the next screen while showing a presentation. Is this normal?
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| 07:52 | stgraber: Even on one client it is very slow. It's not a network problem, I can watch videos in my client with 30 fps!!!
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| 07:53 | stgraber: with iftop, I can see the bandwidth going to > 30Mbps, with a single powerpoint presentation, on a single client... Can I do something to make it better?
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| 07:53 | <stgraber> alkisg: it's not "normal" but probably not italc's fault ... Possible things that cause that are : compiz (visual effects), network (VNC is far from being perfect), CPU usage for LZO compression
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> compiz: off, cpu: <10%
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| 07:54 | LDM_DIRECTX=True (no compression)
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| 07:54 | what else can I try?
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| 07:56 | I'm using the script you gave me, the broadcasting is at 127.0.0.1
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| 07:56 | <stgraber> alkisg: I don't think you can do much to fix that :(
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> OK... can I ask you something else? I'm willing to try to implement something like italc but for ltsp only,
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| 07:57 | <stgraber> alkisg: currently both clients and masters of iTalc are running on the server, then the client simply see it as a standard app
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| 07:57 | alkisg: a possible fix would be to run ica directly on the clients
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> so shared memory on the server to share the screens (viewing/broadcasting), and a little program on the client to show the received screen on demo mode
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| 07:58 | <stgraber> alkisg: but then you'd loose the ability of starting apps on the clients (but would have shutdown/reboot working)
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> No vnc code at all. Do you thing it would be too hard?
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| 07:58 | (thanks for the ica tip, I'll try it)
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| 07:59 | <stgraber> AFAIK all current solutions are based on VNC because that kind of apps are far from easy to write ... you need the part recording your desktop, compress, send and display on the clients ...
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> That's the thing, all clients run on the server, so no network should be involved
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| 08:00 | <stgraber> some bigs LTSP network are currently having a look at using iTalc so I guess we can expect some major changes for it
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| 08:00 | alkisg: VNC would probably use less bandwidth if ica was running on the clients instead of the server using the X tunnel
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| 08:01 | alkisg: because VNC traffic is compressed for that kind of use while X one isn't (or is less efficient)
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| 08:01 | last I spoke with the Millexterm guys about it, the idea was clearly to have ica/italc running as local app instead of running on the server
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| 08:01 | and they are running some really really big LTSP networks
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> stgraber: ok... can I try something else? As I understand it, ica uses vnc code. Is there any way to pass parameters to the vnc server/client, e.g. no compression?
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| 08:06 | <stgraber> alkisg: not that I know of, you'll have to change ica's code for that. X11VNC is directly used by italc's code and not run as a standalone app
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> I'm not optimistic about VNC, I've never watched video with good quality with it, on any OS/configuration. But X server shows 30fps with 30Mbps bandwidth, so with a good switch I can broadcast video to all my 12 clients...
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| 08:07 | I'll try to come up with another solution for broadcasting, maybe vlc/utp multicast. I tried it with one client and it was very promising.
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| 08:07 | iTalc is perfect for viewing/controlling/running apps/etc though.
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| 08:08 | <stgraber> VNC is completely different from the X server, VNC is broadcasting a video of your screen while the X tunnel is sending X events/window the rendering being done on the client
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> I see... that's why X behaves better, there's no screen grabbing involved.
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| 08:10 | Would it be possible to modify italc to grab the screen locally, without network involvment?
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| 08:11 | I mean, ask the X server that runs for the user12 to send the screen through a pipe or something
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| 08:11 | Capture events etc. Would it be a huge change, or something that I could do within a month?
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| 08:12 | <stgraber> italc is a multiplatform tool so I guess it'll always use VNC, there is still much to do to improve VNC's performance though
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> stgraber, thank you very much.
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| 17:54 | <johnny_> leio, sup?
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| 17:55 | <leio> nothing, just spying here ;) Now you spotted me and I had to speak in here the first time, grr ;p
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| 17:56 | <johnny_> you gentoo guys sure overuse :p
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| 17:56 | it is meaningless now
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| 17:57 | <leio> overuse?
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| 17:57 | <johnny_> well i'll try to convince you to test something after tuesday night :)
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| 17:57 | use it so much it loses all meaning and intent
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| 17:58 | i gotta script etc-update so it will automatically merge after openrc install to stop one extra step
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| 17:59 | since we won't see it in a stage3 til 2008.1
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| 17:59 | i imagine
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| 17:59 | <leio> wasn't there a "merge all" negative number responas?
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| 18:00 | you mean ltsp5 will require openrc?
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| 18:02 | <johnny_> yes
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| 18:02 | either that or completely overwrite some baselayout 1 scripts
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| 18:02 | i figured it'd be better to go with openrc tho, since it is the futre
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| 18:17 | <irc> hello wondering if anyone has time to answer a question
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| 18:18 | <johnny_> gotta ask it first
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| 18:18 | <irc> yes
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| 18:19 | things are working great on a ltsp 4.2 install.
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| 18:19 | But
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| 18:19 | <leio> johnny_: sounds good. Hopefully soon I'll get to upgrading to that as well, still at baselayout2_rc6 or so
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| 18:19 | <irc> if the internet is down then the thin
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| 18:19 | clients do not get
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| 18:19 | <johnny_> sorry.. no knowledge of ltsp 4.2 here
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| 18:19 | <irc> a gdm screen just a gray screen
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| 18:19 | <johnny_> or any ltsp 4 :(
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| 18:19 | ltsp5 doesn't use gdm
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| 18:19 | and that is all i know
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| 18:19 | <irc> if I plug in the internet again they all work
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| 18:19 | sorry
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| 18:20 | <johnny_> i bet each machine's /etc/hosts does not include the own machine's name
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| 18:20 | that's the only time i've seen that happen
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| 18:20 | <irc> but the server,
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| 18:20 | the only one that even
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| 18:20 | has a harddrive
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| 18:21 | <johnny_> sure.. they still have an /etc/hosts tho..
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| 18:21 | on the nfs root
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| 18:21 | <irc> oh
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| 18:21 | <johnny_> it gets mounted somehow so it is readwrite
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| 18:21 | some sort of bind mount
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| 18:22 | but i'm not sure of the mechanism on ltsp4
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| 18:22 | you should come here during europe usa weekday daytime hours
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| 18:22 | europe/usa
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| 18:22 | <irc> thanks I will try and disconnect again to see about setting the hosts file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/hosts
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| 19:02 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 19:47 | <herson> jammcq: hello
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| 19:47 | jammcq: i have bad news
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| 19:47 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 19:48 | <herson> Unable to be his coordinator of table in fisl
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| 19:48 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 19:48 | why?
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| 19:49 | <herson> When I signed up was late for most
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| 19:49 | http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/9.0/papers/pub/programacao/673
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| 19:49 | your table coordinator is Mário Meyer
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| 19:49 | <jammcq> ah
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| 19:50 | ok
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| 19:50 | <herson> hehehe
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| 19:50 | =(
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| 19:50 | <jammcq> well, we can still have churrascurria together
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| 19:50 | <herson> yeah
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| 19:50 | :D
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| 19:50 | jammcq: you know him?
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| 19:51 | <jammcq> Mario? Umm, I don't remember
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| 19:51 | I've probably met him
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| 19:52 | <herson> jammcq: It should be the ltsp-au perhaps
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| 19:52 | ltsp-br*
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| 19:52 | ltsp-br project over?
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| 20:45 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:45 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 20:46 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 20:46 | <jammcq> how u doing?
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| 20:46 | <sbalneav> Just sitting here in the livingroom.
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| 20:46 | Chillin :)
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| 20:46 | <jammcq> ah, on the lappy?
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| 20:46 | <sbalneav> Yep!
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| 21:21 | <mistik1> Oh boy, there is nothing like a client wanting something for one to get off thier bunns and learn something new
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