IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 February 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:02 | <eemeli> what is the best way for automatic shutdown when using autologin in 12.04 ubuntu ltsp-pnp ?
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> eemeli: automatic based on time, or on a command sent by the sysadmin?
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| 07:08 | <eemeli> im trying to do it with lts.conf shutdown_time or crontab_01 but cant get it work
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| 07:14 | <vagrantc> there were some bugs in shutdown handling in older versions of ltsp/ldm
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| 07:15 | * vagrantc thinks CRONTAB_XX might be an indicator that KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES should include cron | |
| 07:16 | <alkisg> I think cron isn't automatically removed, except for extremely low-ram clients, e.g. <= 128 MB RAM
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| 07:16 | * vagrantc nods | |
| 07:16 | <alkisg> eemeli: what's the version of ltsp-client in your system?
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| 07:20 | <eemeli> 5.5.1
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> It's recent enough, you're probably using the Greek schools PPA
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| 07:21 | !screen_02
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| 07:21 | <ltsp`> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> Login to the client as root and check if shutdown time got written in crontab
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| 07:22 | <eemeli> im in with epoptes root terminal and there is no crontab for root
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> What's the output of `getltscfg -a` there?
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| 07:28 | <eemeli> the crontab_01 is in there
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> eemeli: and, the output of `cat /etc/cron.d/ltsp` ?
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| 07:35 | <eemeli> 30 9 * * 1-5 /sbin/shutdown -h now
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> So, it's there
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| 07:37 | <eemeli> but it wont go down...
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> Is cron running? ps aux| grep cron
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| 07:39 | Also I don't see the "user" there in that crontab line, are you sure it's correct?
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| 07:39 | Did you use shutdown_time or crontab?
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| 07:39 | Better use shutdown_time, reboot the client and check again that file
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| 07:40 | <eemeli> i have tryed, didnt get it work
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| 07:41 | <alkisg> Yes, troubleshoot it now
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| 07:41 | Check that /etc/cron.d/ltsp file after setting shutdown_time
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| 07:41 | <eemeli> ok
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| 07:59 | <eemeli> there is 2 lines: 55 9 * * * root test ! -S "$(ls -1 /var/run/ldm_socket_* | head -1)" && PATH=\$PATH:/sbin/ poweroff and 55 9 * * 1-5 /sbin/shutdown -h now
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| 08:01 | <alkisg> That "ls" command means "if someone is logged in, don't shut the client down"
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| 08:01 | I don't know about the second line
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| 08:03 | <eemeli> ok, so i dont need the "ls"
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| 08:06 | <alkisg> !nbd-client
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| 08:06 | <ltsp`> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 08:06 | <alkisg> (unrelated to our chat)
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| 08:09 | The ls part isn't a problem
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| 08:09 | You can test if the clients shuts down if it's not logged in
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| 08:10 | (09:38:29 πμ) alkisg: Is cron running? ps aux| grep cron
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| 08:12 | <eemeli> the client goes down if user is not logged in
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| 08:30 | <ame> i am trying to install MPLABX its an application which needs java...But it saying error if i started installing that application from chroot
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| 08:31 | "BUS error"
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> eemeli: if you don't want that "ls" check, remove it from /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/50-cron
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| 08:33 | ame: that question is not related to ltsp, ask it in another channel...
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| 08:34 | <eemeli> yes.. i idid found it and it works! thx!
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| 08:34 | <ame> alkisg:But i am trying to install that in chroot but its working good if i install that software on my server
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> ame: yes, chroot questions are not specific to ltsp
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| 08:36 | <ame> alkisg:ok i will ask some other channel
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> For example, you can go in #ubuntu and ask them "how can I install java in a chroot"?
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| 08:36 | ...too late
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| 14:13 | <championofcyrodi> so... i can't get to 'arxiv.org' with the fat clients.
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| 14:13 | but desktops can... same LAN, same external IP.
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| 14:14 | tried changing the user agent string on browser, same thing.
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| 14:34 | <championofcyrodi> access denied, because they think the users are bots
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| 15:08 | <guest_____> hello, can someone tell me if it's possible to get all the clients to reboot when the ltsp server is restarting?
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| 15:31 | <markit> guest_____: mmm maybe using some code from Epoptes project and having epoptes installed...
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| 15:32 | or you could do manually with Epoptes from the server
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| 15:32 | guest_____: http://www.epoptes.org/
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| 15:33 | work_alkisg: the link in www.epoptes.org related to sch-scripts is broken (points to http://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/sch-scripts/screenshots that does not exist anymore)
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| 15:36 | <guest_____> markit: isn't epoptes gui only? I got that impression from it. I have server CLI only
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| 15:37 | <markit> guest_____: ah, you are doomed then
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| 15:38 | guest_____: don't you have a teacher with a client?
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| 15:38 | I mean, you can configure epoptes to run in a certain client
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| 15:38 | so teacher restarts server, restarts his client, and reboots children pcs
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| 15:38 | with epoptes... or you can dig epoptes python code and see how it reboots clients
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| 15:39 | so maybe you can take that code and broadcast the reboot from script
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| 15:39 | but these are just ideas since there is no what you are looking for, AFAIK
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| 15:42 | <guest_____> markit: I am doing kiosk clients, where all of them uses just basic nodm with chromium running in it (and heavily modified kioskSession script). I am trying to notify all the kiosk clients if the server gets restarted because if I won't do it, it just starts throwing errors since the mount is obviously gone
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| 15:43 | I am also running Nagios on the server with NRPE on clients if that's of any help, though I am not sure I can make clients restart with NRPE
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| 15:44 | <markit> guest_____: don't know if Wake ON lan can also restart pcs
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| 15:45 | guest_____: in any case, if you install epoptes client in chroot, and epoptes server in the server
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| 15:45 | maybe you can issue commands to the client using epoptes python code
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| 15:45 | you should ask work_alkisg that is the designer of epoptes and a real LTSP guru
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| 15:46 | guest_____: since epoptes is free code, you can have a look at the code yourself
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| 15:47 | <guest_____> so i would be able to run epoptes without having xorg on server? and I am not really good in python to be honest, so I am not sure if poking around in source code would help
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| 15:48 | <markit> guest_____: AFAIU epoptes is server and client, + graphical interface
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| 15:49 | I think it always runs the daemon part on the server, but I've used it graphically and never digged into details
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| 15:49 | is only the only idea comes to my mind
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| 15:49 | <guest_____> alright, I'll test it and see how it goes.. Thanks for you help!
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| 16:18 | <guest_____> markit: I installed nodm on server as well and the GUI works but it's still only "klick to kill", I need automatic restarting when something happens.I also found from where it's executed but I have no idea how it works, I can't make any sense from those codes :/
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| 16:41 | <markit> guest_____: don't know "nodm", is it in epoptes?
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| 16:41 | I think that for shutdown / reboot epoptes daemon talks with epotes client
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| 16:46 | <guest_____> no, nodm is very simple display manager, it has nothing to do with epoptes, just me trying to get some kind of gui going on the server. What I found is it's sending a command "'%s %s' %(command[0], ' '.join([pipes.quote(str(x)) for x in command[1:]]))" where command[0] should be reboot]
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| 16:49 | on server that is, I am just trying to figure out what it is actually sending so i can replicate that with another script
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| 16:58 | <markit> guest_____: I think that you really have to find work_alkisg online and ask him
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| 16:58 | * alkisg waves | |
| 16:59 | <alkisg> About automatic client reboot? Nah epoptes isn't good for that, because e.g. if the server reboots due to outage, then the client nbd connection is lost, and there's no way for epoptes to do anything without a file system
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| 16:59 | But, kernel parameters like panic=30 help
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| 17:00 | Or a loop that checks for the server connection and uses the reboot sysrq call to reboot...
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| 17:01 | * markit waves alkisg :) | |
| 17:02 | <guest_____> alkisg: I needed more of a planned restart/shutdown, when I know the clients will need it (for example following ltsp-image-update, shutdown controled with cron after work-hours, etc.)
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> Why planned and not fully automatic?
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| 17:02 | Suppose your server hangs, don't you want the clients automatically rebooted?
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| 17:03 | <guest_____> yes, but if server hangs, the clint won't reconnect after restart anyway since the server will be still frozen :)
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> If you have a delay on the client, e.g. 30 seconds or 2 minutes before the automatic restart, there's a chance that the server will be online then,
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| 17:04 | and, you can configure your clients to loop until it's online again
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| 17:05 | In any case manually rebooting the clients won't offer any advantage to what you said...
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| 17:07 | <guest_____> fair enough, but shuting them down at the end of the day would still be useful and I'd rather make it from the server rather than makin it localy with cron since I would have much wider options of influencing the shutdown time instead of updating image everytime
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> To send scripted commands from the server to the clients, you either need a daemon (sshd, netcat...) or the console version of epoptes, which isn't yet ready
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| 17:09 | LTSP doesn't have a daemon for that, you use normal utilities
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| 17:09 | <guest_____> can't I just send a command to client the same GUI is sending?
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> You need to implement the part of the gui that talks to the daemon
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| 17:10 | So, no
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| 17:10 | You can however use another pc for the epoptes daemon, and use a gui there instead of using it on the server
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| 17:10 | but no scripting that way either
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| 17:11 | <guest_____> damn.. well guess I'll have to ssh to shutdown it remotely then
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| 17:11 | thanks for the help!
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| 17:12 | <markit> alkisg: any updated epoptes roadmap? How is Phantomas? long time I don't talk with him
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| 17:12 | and how are you?
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| 17:12 | <alkisg> markit: nah, epoptes development has stalled for a bit, until we move on with ltsp6 first
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| 17:13 | <markit> any link for ltsp6 planned features? I'm so curious
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> no ldm, new configuration daemon...
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| 17:14 | No links for the whole roadmap, some of them are on the wiki though, e.g. http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:Ltspd
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| 17:15 | <markit> thanks :) You still strong in deplyoing ltsp to schools? No M$ interference at government level?
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| 17:17 | ehm, maybe you are busy right now, hope to find online again sooner or later, I'm not often here though
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> Yup I'm a little preoccupied with other things, but no, no interference with deploying ltsp
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| 17:18 | http://www.ltsp.org/stories/widget-map/?location=Greece
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| 17:18 | More schools there each day...
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| 17:18 | In my city, there's only one high school *not* using ltsp yet ;)
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| 17:20 | <ogra_> evil !
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| 17:20 | fix them !!
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| 17:20 | :)
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| 17:21 | <alkisg> Nowadays I don't have to go convince them, they come and ask for my help in installing ltsp because they hear from other teachers that it's working good :)
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| 17:22 | <ogra_> :D
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| 17:39 | <markit> alkisg: I've to leave, thanks and compliments for your work :)
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> bb!
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| 18:18 | <championofcyrodi> did anyone ever post some doc/info for enabling the screensaver w/ password protection on the fat clients?
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| 18:19 | i seem to remember running the screen saver on the server and X forwarding it... but can't remember the particulars
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| 18:21 | <ogra_> that was likely before screensavers started talking though dbus
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> Newer ltsp versions support LDM_HASH_PASSWORD or something so that the user password works in fat clients
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| 18:22 | <ogra_> (i guess xscreensaver still works forwarded)
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| 18:22 | <alkisg> Check the most recent ldm commits
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| 18:22 | !ldm-source
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| 18:22 | <ltsp`> ldm-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/files
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| 19:06 | <championofcyrodi> hmm can't seem to sort launchpad by last changed descending
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| 19:06 | oh well
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| 19:07 | ascending works
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> championofcyrodi: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/changes/1555?start_revid=1575
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| 19:08 | <championofcyrodi> ty
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> LDM_PASSWORD_HASH
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| 19:09 | =true...
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| 20:27 | <championofcyrodi> weird. my ltsp-chroot is suddenly not resolving lookups via dns
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| 20:28 | wait... yes it is... just that the network is unreachable...
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| 20:28 | for all IPs
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| 20:29 | looks like a host issue.
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| 20:29 | ltsp@ltsp:~$ ping www.google.com
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| 20:29 | connect: Network is unreachable
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| 20:31 | got it... weird. the default route was missing from the routing table
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