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Channel log from 15 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: "10/100Mpbs LAN speed." ==> not good enough for network booting, I'd prefer to use a cloning solution with it
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| 03:53 | <Roel_> anycone has any idea why I get this :
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| 03:53 | Dec 15 09:50:56 prudence xinetd[4921]: START: ldminfod pid=17716 from=192.168.123.1
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| 03:53 | Dec 15 09:50:56 prudence xinetd[17716]: FAIL: ldminfod address from=192.168.123.1
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| 03:53 | Dec 15 09:50:56 prudence xinetd[4921]: EXIT: ldminfod status=0 pid=17716 duration=0(sec)
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| 03:54 | and a blanked screen on the client
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| 05:00 | <GuilhermeCunha> :)
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| 07:04 | <_USUrPeR_> !seen tyronica
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| 07:04 | <ltspbot> _USUrPeR_: I have not seen tyronica.
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| 07:09 | <Roel_> !docs
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| 07:09 | <ltspbot> Roel_: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:50 | <Kicer86> hi
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| 08:56 | <Barbosa> #mp3
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| 09:05 | <noob1> hi
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| 09:06 | <noob1> i am trying to figure out how to have my thin clients automatically boot into a rdesktop session to win 2008
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| 09:06 | <noob1> all the guides i tried online gives me a thin client that fades in and out of the pxe boot screen
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| 09:07 | <dmarkey_> stgraber: hello
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> noob1: Could you paste the contents of your lts.conf file to the pastebot?
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| 09:08 | !pastebot
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| 09:08 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 09:08 | <noob1> sure
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| 09:09 | let me see
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| 09:10 | okay i pasted it
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| 09:10 | http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d2a7d6ded
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| 09:12 | <noob1> i am not too familiar with what I am doing, but I am hoping that I can boot up the client directly into the windows terminal service without having to login to ubunutu
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| 09:13 | it works if i login to ubuntu and then start a tsclient/rdesktop from there
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| 09:16 | <Ahmuck-Sr> ur trying to set up ltsp on ubuntu?
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| 09:17 | noob1:
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| 09:17 | <noob1> yes?
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| 09:17 | i already have a working ubuntu/ltsp
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| 09:17 | <Ahmuck-Sr> you have used the alternate install disk
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| 09:17 | oh
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| 09:17 | <noob1> correct
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| 09:17 | <Ahmuck-Sr> u have two nics?
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| 09:17 | <noob1> login into ubuntu using the thin clients works fine
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| 09:18 | <Ahmuck-Sr> ok
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| 09:18 | <noob1> running tsclient or rdesktop from the thin clients in ubuntu works fine too
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| 09:19 | but i would like to have the thin client boot up and skip the ubuntu login and directly run rdesktop, is it possible?
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| 09:20 | otherwise I might have to lockdown the ubuntu guest a/c which i see as a very long work around
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| 09:20 | <dmarkey_> noob1: yes
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| 09:20 | <noob1> so what am i doing wrong,
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| 09:20 | <dmarkey_> google ltsp rdesktop
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| 09:20 | <noob1> when i set it up according to varions guides
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| 09:21 | the thin client blanks in and out of pxe boot screen
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| 09:21 | i googled it, and have been trying it for a long time
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| 09:24 | <indradg> hi... I'm using K12Linux and I'm having problems while trying to install openssh-server in the ltsp chroot environment
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| 09:25 | <dmarkey_> noob1: you're trying to connect to a windows terminal server, right?
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| 09:25 | <noob1> yes
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| 09:25 | windows 2008 remote desktop
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| 09:29 | <noob1> in the client boot screen i do get 4 lines of "missing parameter in lts.conf file" or soemthing
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| 09:29 | <dmarkey_> hmm
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| 09:30 | lemme see if i can get an example for you
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| 09:30 | <noob1> i think first thing i need to ask is the lts.conf file "style sensitive"?
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| 09:36 | <dmarkey_> noob1: http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2007-March/msg00691.html
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| 09:37 | <noob1> let me try it
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| 09:42 | <noob1> nope
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| 09:42 | gives me a text login screen
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| 09:42 | for ubuntu
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| 09:42 | i think
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| 09:45 | <Appiah> is that ym?
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| 09:45 | yum*
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| 09:48 | <noob1> what should i attempt next?
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| 09:50 | <dmarkey_> noob1: post your ldm.conf
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| 09:50 | <noob1> [00:E0:4c:43:22:96]
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| 09:50 | XSERVER = auto
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| 09:50 | LOCAL_APPS = Y
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| 09:50 | SCREEN_08 = rdesktop
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| 09:50 | RDP_SERVER = 192.168.122.113
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| 09:50 | RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16 -u chi_prc_guest01 -p Ping111"
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| 09:53 | <_USUrPeR_> noob1: are you able to ping the windows server from your client?
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| 09:53 | <noob1> yes, i am able to run rdesktop from the clients after i login to ubuntu
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| 09:55 | <dmarkey_> noob1: for a start make RDP_OPTIONS = " -a 16 -f"
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| 09:55 | you can add nicities when you get the basics working
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| 09:58 | <_USUrPeR_> noob1: also, depending on what version of windows you are logging into, you may need a -4 in there (I recently discovered this w/a 2k8r2 server)
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| 09:58 | <noob1> hmm
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| 09:58 | so "-a 16 -f -4"?
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| 10:05 | <noob1> where do i add the "-4" again?
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| 10:09 | <johnny> /me pokes alkisg
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> Ouch
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| 10:09 | <johnny> alkisg, webgl is being nicely standardized..
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| 10:10 | * alkisg was hurt by the poking :P | |
| 10:10 | <alkisg> Webgl? Whassut?
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| 10:10 | <johnny> gl in the browser
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| 10:10 | <_USUrPeR_> noob1: the order does not really matter. put it in RDP_OPTIONS
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| 10:10 | <johnny> 3d in the browser rather
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| 10:11 | http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/index/~3/Xj5q3srL2Q8/webgl-draft-published-khronos-seeks-community-involvement.ars
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| 10:12 | <noob1> RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16 -f -4"
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| 10:12 | <johnny> all those spaces offend my eyes..
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| 10:12 | before the =
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| 10:12 | well.. you should just make it even try to work before playing with options too much
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| 10:12 | <noob1> uhm...
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| 10:12 | <johnny> remove the - before 4
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| 10:12 | unless it's really an option
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> johnny: wow, how do you find all those new technologies?!!!:D Heh, it'll be really nice though if we have 3d that we can manipulate with javascript...
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| 10:13 | <noob1> so what's wrong before the "="?
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| 10:13 | <johnny> it looks ugly..
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| 10:13 | alkisg, you should subscribe to ars too..
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| 10:13 | and phoronix
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| 10:13 | <noob1> oh... it's suppose to be tabs...
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| 10:13 | <johnny> also lwn is great..
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| 10:13 | <noob1> should i remove the spaces?
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| 10:13 | <johnny> i don't know if it stops parsing anymore
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> Nah I bet it takes too much time, and with 3 kids I don't have so much :(
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| 10:13 | <johnny> but there used to be abug
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| 10:14 | <noob1> should i put it at screen_08? or screen_01?
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| 10:14 | <johnny> alkisg, it's only like 10 articles a day.. of which you might only read 1
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| 10:14 | i just skim and mark all as read
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| 10:14 | btw.. you just explained why i'm not interested in having kids yet.. :)
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| 10:15 | alkisg, i really wish we could force http booting all the time :(
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| 10:15 | instead of having to deal with tcp..
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| 10:15 | err tftp
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> me too :-/
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| 10:15 | But it'll takes ages for intel to support http in the pxe spec
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| 10:15 | <johnny> have a php/python/perl script that ran to generate the specific lts.conf for the pc :)
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Right ;)
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| 10:17 | <johnny> alkisg, you could even generate it from sqlite db.. :)
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| 10:17 | or query some external hardware db like ocs inventory or whatever people use these days..
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> Well that can be done now as well too
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| 10:17 | lts.conf can be downloaded from http by the initramfs...
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| 10:18 | <johnny> ah.. true
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> tftp is only needed for pxelinux.0 or the kernel...
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| 10:18 | <johnny> but also the kernel command line..
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| 10:18 | guess we can grab that there too
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| 10:19 | <jelly-bean1> what's the best way to configure ltsp image(s) for use in a medium-size business environment with 40+ users?
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| 10:20 | should i be using multiple images -- one-per-user, or create a bunch of user accounts on the image?
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| 10:20 | how to control security and permissions of users on the image?
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> jelly-bean1: you don't create users in the image, you create them on the server
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| 10:22 | See the docs for a general overview:
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> !docs
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| 10:22 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:22 | <noob1> still not working...
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| 10:23 | boots into the ubuntu screen
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| 10:31 | <dmarkey_> i assume you mean ldm?
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| 10:32 | noob1: pastebin.com you FULL ldm.conf
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| 10:33 | <noob1> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/ddae6ed5
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| 10:33 | oh wait
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| 10:33 | ldm.conf?
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| 10:33 | where do i get that?
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| 10:33 | i did not know i have to modify that...\
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| 10:33 | <dmarkey_> sorry, you're right
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| 10:33 | <jelly-bean1> with a fresh ubuntu 9.10 install, after also running update manager, i am now trying to boot the thin client for the first time over the network. tried a amd64 arch and i386 arch with two diff thin clients but both arrive at a kernel panic
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| 10:34 | <jelly-bean1> also fyi there was a kernel panic error when the server machine first booted which is why we ran the updates and since then it hasnt appeared again. this was a fresh install off the ubuntu karmic alternative install cd
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| 10:34 | <noob1> most guides only tells me to modify lts.conf
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| 10:41 | <dmarkey_> noob1: yea that would be correct
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| 10:41 | <noob1> then... what is the path to ldm.conf?
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| 10:41 | so that i can paste it
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| 10:42 | <dmarkey_> no, dont edit that, stick with lts.conf, my mistake
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| 10:42 | <noob1> oh..
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| 10:42 | so... what is the next step i should be doing?
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| 10:43 | <dmarkey_> gimme a sec
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| 10:49 | <dmarkey_> noob1: http://dmarkey.com/~dmarkey/lts.conf
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| 10:49 | i used that on a project, it works
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| 10:49 | although i used a custom xorg.conf file, you could edit that line out
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| 10:50 | <noob1> cool
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| 10:50 | let me try it
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| 10:50 | <dmarkey_> and i used a 2003 server
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| 10:50 | you *will* need to edit it
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| 10:51 | <noob1> hmm...
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| 10:52 | <dmarkey_> what now
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| 10:52 | <_USUrPeR_> stgraber: ping?
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| 10:52 | <noob1> figuring out how to edit it..
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| 10:52 | <dmarkey_> vi?
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| 10:52 | <noob1> what is sys_loghost?
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| 10:52 | syslog_host?
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| 10:53 | <dmarkey_> comment that out
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| 10:53 | actually, let me clean that up
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| 10:54 | try again now
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| 10:56 | <noob1> still giving me a blingking pxe boot screen
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| 11:02 | <noob1> i keep getting a "missing parameter in configuration file" during pxe boot, is that causing problems?
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| 11:02 | <jelly-bean1> i booted one thin client in the amd64 image and another machine in the i386 image. everything is fine except the i386 machine shows text upside down and flipped. windows like the firefox window have their titlebar on the right side of the window vertically
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| 11:04 | <dmarkey_> noob1: hmm, not sure
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| 11:04 | can you take a screen shot of that?
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| 11:05 | <noob1> not sure how...
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| 11:05 | it's booting from the client..
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| 11:05 | <dmarkey_> yea
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> jelly-bean1: do you have the proprietary nvidia drivers on the server and intel graphics card on the client?
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| 11:06 | <dmarkey_> when it was booting into "ubuntu" was that off the LTSP server?
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| 11:06 | <jelly-bean1> alkisg: yes i think so
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| 11:06 | <noob1> yes
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| 11:06 | <noob1> let me try removing the whole i386
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> jelly-bean1: known bug, one way around it is to disable compiz on the client (from appearance settings => none)
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| 11:06 | <noob1> and do a ltsp-build-client again
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| 11:07 | <dmarkey_> alkisg: does compiz work via LTSP?
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> dmarkey_: depends on the card. I think with intels it does.
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| 11:08 | <dmarkey_> so kde4 would work fully?
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> I don't know.
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| 11:08 | jelly-bean1: you could also try playing with some xrandr settings, if you want I can look at the logs for the proposed but untested lts.conf settings.
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| 11:09 | <noob1> might take awhile...
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| 11:09 | <dmarkey_> shouldnt really
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| 11:09 | <dmarkey_> there is an LTSP flag to just give an xterm window for debugging, that is that
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| 11:09 | what*
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| 11:12 | <johnny> dmarkey_, no real need for it imo.. if you just use ltsp-localapp xterm
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| 11:13 | i don't see why we need the flag at all if it's so easy to start
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| 11:14 | <dmarkey_> im talking about even before ldm starts
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| 11:14 | <jelly-bean1> alkisg: the appearance settings are already set to none by default and it actually wont let me turn it on (which i was curious about to see compiz performance on a thin client)
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| 11:15 | <jelly-bean1> even on the pc that does also have a nvidia card
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| 11:15 | oh nvm i was wrong
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| 11:15 | that worked
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| 11:15 | but how do i turn on compiz on the thin client that would support it?
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| 11:16 | <johnny> it's better if you don't..
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| 11:18 | <noob1> it's 1am here... imma gonna sleep, will be back in 5 hours,
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| 11:19 | thx
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| 11:19 | thx 4 ur help, but more guidiance is needed later
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| 11:19 | <dmarkey_> bye
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> jelly-bean1: you could also uninstall the proprietary nvidia drivers from the server.
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| 11:41 | <skeemer> mornin' and other appropriate salutations
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| 11:41 | what kind of load averages do people normally see on their servers?
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| 11:42 | i'm seeing between 12 and 17 and wondering if that is normal
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| 11:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> etf
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| 11:49 | err w even
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| 11:49 | netsplit much, irc?
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| 11:53 | <Lns> seriously...it's been happening a lot the past few days eh?
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| 11:54 | <johnny> well.. it'd be nice if it used xmpp.. :)
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| 11:55 | <Lns> lol
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| 11:55 | sure, just go tell the irc proto guys that, i'm sure they'll switch on over
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| 12:03 | <brain187> can someone help me install google chrome browser as a local app
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| 12:07 | <brain187> i already installed firefox as a local app if that helps
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| 12:10 | <johnny> it should be the same then..
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| 12:10 | not thati 've ever tried..
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| 12:12 | <brain187> yep i kinda figure that but i was looking for that apt-get install type info i need
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| 12:14 | <johnny> then you'll have to look on the internet
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| 12:14 | and follow the same instructions .. just in thechroot
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| 12:14 | <brain187> thanks bro
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| 12:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so I am still having problems with italc. I have had an interesting development, however: I am able to contact the italc client if I start italc on the client manually
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| 12:16 | I just cannot connect to it when started with the START_ITALC = True lts.conf entry
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| 12:16 | though itlac is listening on 5900 on the client, according to a netstat -anp
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> avahi-browse -trp _italc._tcp
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| 12:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: should that be run from the server or the client?
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: anywhere will do :)
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| 12:23 | * Lns would be interested in knowing whether chrome works well as a localapp (or even in general) with multi-user LTSP | |
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| 12:26 | <johnny> why wouldn't it Lns ?
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| 12:27 | but better to use chromium..
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| 12:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: http://www.pastebin.com/m17b3443 <--- this was run on the server
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| 12:27 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: "Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted"
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| 12:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 12:28 | alkisg: try this then http://pastebin.com/m99b17c7
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: is the client booted? It doesn't show up in the avahi list
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| 12:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: yeah, It's booted
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| 12:31 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: well then either iTalc doesn't use avahi (=the autodetection thing) when it's installed in the chroot, or it's not properly installed...
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| 12:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: disappointing. I used apt-get to install...
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| 12:31 | <alkisg> Is there any specific reason why you want to put it in the chroot?
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| 12:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: The latest (8.04) installation instructions instruct that the italc-client be installed in chroot
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: where?!!! I only know of one wiki page, which says that there are TWO ways to install it..
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| 12:33 | ...and it says that on the chroot it's the difficult way to do it :)
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| 12:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> and it's executed with the /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I15-italc script which is enabled by putting "START_ITALC = TRUE"
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> Sure, I know, but why?
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| 12:34 | There's the easy way to do it: just install italc. And the difficult way to do it: install it on the chroot and waste an afternoon to get it working :)
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| 12:34 | <Lns> http://blog.freenode.net/2009/12/december-8-2009-connectivity-issues-and-netsplits/
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> I wonder why people keep selecting the difficult way :)
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| 12:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'll give the normal way a shot...
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: anyway, try this: sudo diff -r /etc/italc/keys/ /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/italc/keys/
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| 12:37 | Or this one: sudo diff -r /etc/italc/keys/public /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/italc/keys/public
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| 12:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: all are diff
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: they should be the same
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| 12:39 | After installing iTalc on the chroot, you should copy the public server keys to the chroot
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| 12:39 | (and then ltsp-update-image blah blah you know :))
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| 12:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok. lemme try this
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> (I really should spend some hours rewritting that italc wiki page, it's been giving people trouble...)
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| 13:08 | <brain187> anyone install google chrome as a local app on ltsp yet
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| 13:17 | <jelly-bean1> can ltsp provision windows images?
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| 13:25 | <jelly-bean1> can ltsp provision windows images?
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> What do you mean?
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| 13:27 | <jelly-bean1> front page of ltsp website "LTSP workstations can run applications from Linux and Windows servers."
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> I suppose they mean rdesktop. What do YOU mean?
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| 13:28 | <jelly-bean1> i interpreted this to mean that a microsoft OS PXE image could be served from an LTSP tftp boot directory
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| 13:29 | sounds like i was wrong
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> Is there such a thing? If there is, sure, you can serve anything..
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| 13:29 | But that wouldn't be related to ltsp at all.
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| 13:29 | <jelly-bean1> ah i c
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| 13:30 | but if we set up a windows server could it issue some rdesktop connection to a box running windows server? I mean i wonder how ic ould have windows and linux thin clients on the same network with just one dhcp serevr
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| 13:32 | we want to deploy ltsp on the business LAN network but havent been able to get everyone switched over to linux
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| 13:38 | <Lns> jelly-bean1: plenty of people use LTSP to serve strictly rdesktop sessions to windows TS servers
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| 14:08 | <jhutchins_lt> jelly-bean1: Sure, you could have a Windows PXE image on the same server as LTSP.
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| 14:09 | jelly-bean1: I've got a back-burner project to have a multi-boot PXE setup that defaults to LTSP but includes at least one installer.
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| 14:09 | <jelly-bean1> jhutchins: we have several oem windwos licenses we got with new pcs
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| 14:09 | <jelly-bean1> can we convert those to pxe images
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| 14:09 | <mgariepy> hi everybody
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| 14:09 | <jelly-bean1> jhutchins_lt: im interested! multi-boot would be awesome
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| 14:10 | <jhutchins_lt> jelly-bean1: Much easier to pre-configure which MAC gets which OS.
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| 14:10 | jelly-bean1: The menu thing is a bit of a hair puller - scraps of info pulled from multiple sources. Menu structure is from syslinux.
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| 14:11 | <jhutchins_lt> jelly-bean1: One of those "my brain is full now, I think I'll go do some carpentry" things.
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| 14:11 | <jelly-bean1> jelly-bean1: preconfig in DHCP u mean?
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| 14:12 | our dhcp server is pfsense which is a freebsd iso
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| 14:12 | might need a plugin or something to provision boot image by mac
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| 14:15 | wonder if smoothwall can do it
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| 14:37 | <Ahmuck-Jr> ltsp will boot by mac
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| 14:37 | need to set it in lts.conf iirc
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> There seems to be a LOT of netsplits today.
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| 14:47 | <_UsUrPeR__> sbalneav: it turns out that Freenode's main server is located on a ship in the Pacific ocean
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| 14:48 | I guess they're in the process of switching hosting companies
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| 14:48 | <squarepeg> perhaps they ran out of wire?
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| 14:50 | <_UsUrPeR__> I thought the internet was run with tubes...
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| 14:56 | <Lns> Technically, subsea fiber bundles *are* in tubes....
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| 14:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> touchè
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| 15:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: ok, so I am trying out the "easy" installation process for italc
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: ok, remove any traces of italc in the chroot
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| 15:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 15:10 | don
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| 15:10 | e
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| 15:10 | did that
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| 15:10 | next, purged the server as well just for good measure
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| 15:10 | re-installed, rebuilt image
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| 15:11 | so there is no italc on the client image
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| 15:11 | now what?
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> You don't need italc on the client image
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| 15:11 | When a user logs on, he'll run the italc-client from the server
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| 15:12 | It's plug 'n' play, just logon a user..
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| 15:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: so it's supposed to autostart on the client upon logon?
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 15:13 | And the server (=italc-launcher) autodetects all clients
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| 15:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: ok, so say that I have done exactly as you have described, and I am seeing no clients detected after logging in.
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| 15:15 | which is not a hypothetical
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| 15:15 | where should I start looking?
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> OK, run the `avahi-browse -trp _italc._tcp` command.
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| 15:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/m298e273b
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: did you reboot the client after ltsp-update-image?
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| 15:18 | It still has the local italc
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| 15:18 | (= the chroot one)
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| 15:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: hmm. Ok. lemme check that.
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| 15:22 | alkisg: faith and begorra! I've seen the light.
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> It's really just an apt-get install italc-master, but the wiki page makes it hard for everyone that reads it :(
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| 15:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: I have uncovered the runes of an ancient Babylonian script. Can you help me translate cuneiform?
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| 15:24 | ;)
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> Heh :D
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| 15:28 | <jelly-bean1> can i install ltsp on top of an existing ubuntu server install?
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| 15:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> jelly-bean1: server or desktop?
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| 15:29 | <jelly-bean1> serevr
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| 15:29 | what is the difference between: ltsp-client - LTSP client environment, ltsp-client-core - LTSP client environment, ltsp-server - Basic LTSP server environment, ltsp-server-standalone - Complete LTSP server environment
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| 15:30 | basic and standalone?
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| 15:30 | <sbalneav> basic gets you the chroot
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| 15:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> jelly-bean1: it requires the desktop environment on the server to boot ltsp to a desktop environment.
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| 15:30 | <jelly-bean1> ok i can install gnome
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| 15:30 | <sbalneav> standalone just adds a dependency on the dhcpd and tftp servers
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| 15:31 | <jelly-bean1> i dont need dhcpd but will need tftp
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| 15:31 | so i prolly want standalone
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| 15:31 | <sbalneav> then install basic, and tftp separately.
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| 15:31 | Or install standalone, and remove the dhcp3-server package
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| 15:31 | The choices are endless!!!! :)
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| 15:32 | <jelly-bean1> sbalneav: if i do that can it still create all the tftp files for me
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| 15:32 | i just dont wnat to configure the tftp server etc
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| 15:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> standalone is your best option
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> jelly-bean1: if you don't want dhcpd, then don't install the standalone
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| 15:34 | ltsp-server-standalone is the same as ltsp-server, with the addition of dhcp3-server
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| 15:34 | standalone == no external dhcp around, so run dhcp3-server in the ltsp server.
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| 15:35 | <jelly-bean1> both packages contain tftp then?
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 15:35 | (actually, only ltsp-server does)
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| 15:35 | <jelly-bean1> ok so i am installing gnome and ltsp-server
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> (ltsp-server-standalone just depends on ltsp-server)
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| 15:35 | <jelly-bean1> is it possible to get compiz working on ltsp?
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| 15:36 | i am following this silly tutorial [ubuntu] Is it possible to make Ubuntu (GNOME) look like Vista?
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| 15:36 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1086829
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| 15:36 | it gets close. the users will be like, "hey this looks like vista, but it actually works...."
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| 15:36 | trying to ease transition to ubuntu :D
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| 15:36 | it uses some beryl/emerald theme stuff
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| 15:36 | which is why i as
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| 15:36 | ask*
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| 15:40 | <jelly-bean1> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-make-ubuntu-look-like-windows-vista.html
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| 15:40 | <sbalneav> ltsp-update-/win 3
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| 15:42 | <sbalneav> I had some experience with this sort of thing.
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| 15:43 | Do not, I repeat DO NOT ever try to make Linux "look like" windows, no matter how tempting you think it may be to ease transition.
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> You're only setting yourself up for headaches down the road.
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| 15:45 | When we first converted to Linux, we used IceWM, a very nice small window manager that I still have very fond memories for.
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| 15:45 | It behaves *very much* like windows.
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| 15:46 | but it was not perfect.
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| 15:46 | <sbalneav> *nothing* on the linux desktop ever EXACTLY duplicates windows, nor should it.
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| 15:47 | the problem is, it's MORE confusing for users when they have something that LOOKS like windows, so they think it should ACT like windows for everything.
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| 15:47 | Leading to a non-stop series of questions/problems that all start with the same words...
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| 15:47 | "Well, on my HOME machine, I'd do...."
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| 15:48 | <sbalneav> "Why doesn't it do the same thing here?"
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> that's why all linux users should switch to tritium.
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| 15:48 | <sbalneav> It's good that a linux desktop should look different.
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| 15:50 | <sbalneav> that way, you can legitimately teach them something different, and in their minds, since it IS something different, there's a reduced or eliminated expectation that it should behave "Like it does at home"
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: heh, in my naive youth, the very first window manager I put in front of the test group was twm
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| 15:51 | They didn't like it, and I gave them IceWM
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> ... Should have stuck with it :)
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you're too cruel!
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> twm's awesome!
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| 15:59 | Every once in a while, I fire it up, just to reminisce.
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| 15:59 | First window manager I ever use.
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| 15:59 | used, rather.
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| 15:59 | You always remember your first. :)
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> twm does everything a desktop environment needs!
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| 16:02 | It decorates windows
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| 16:02 | gives you a menu to launch things from
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| 16:02 | can tell you what's running
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| 16:02 | I mean, what the heck else do you need? :)
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> default management of windows...
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| 16:03 | <sbalneav> What, you don't like sweeping out the sizes of your new windows?!?!
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| 16:04 | I mean, you never need to resize a window, you just make it the size you wanted in the FIRST place :)
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> that's why i like tritium. i don't have to think about how big i want the window... just where i want it
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| 16:05 | <sbalneav> Well, yeah, till you get 30 windows each one line big :)
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> no, tritium doesn't resize anything. that's where all the others fail.
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| 16:05 | <sbalneav> I used ratpoison for a while, tritium's based on RP, right?
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| 16:06 | * sbalneav wonders if anyone else in here knows what vagrantc and I are talking about :) | |
| 16:06 | <vagrantc> it's in the same genre
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| 16:06 | ratpoison was the first windowmanager i ever actually liked
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| 16:07 | <jelly-bean1> so i just finished installing ltsp-server but no tftp server is listening on 21
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| 16:07 | i realized i already had vsftpd installed and it was intercepting the request. i removed that now.
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i actually used ratpoison for a few kiosk setups
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| 16:07 | <jelly-bean1> what tftp server does ltsp use?
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> anyone who could figure out how to open an xterm deserved it
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| 16:07 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: You and I ought to just have an "esoteric window manager face off weekend" and come up with the best window manager to run under LTSP. For some very bizarre quantity of "best"
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: heh.
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| 16:08 | <sbalneav> jelly-bean1: in debian/ubuntu I think it depends on tftpd-hpa
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| 16:09 | Depends: ltsp-server, libasound2-plugins, ltspfs, openssh-server, nbd-server, xbase-clients, ldm-server
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: absurdist LTSP window manager batallia fantastica
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| 16:09 | <sbalneav> Recommends: pulseaudio-esound-compat, dhcp3-server
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| 16:09 | Perfect!
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc> debian allows for atftpd, too
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| 16:09 | <jelly-bean1> how do i start the ltsp serevr
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc> or dnsmasq of sufficient version
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| 16:09 | <sbalneav> jelly-bean1: are you on Debian or Ubuntu?
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| 16:10 | <jelly-bean1> ubuntu
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| 16:10 | <sbalneav> then you need to make sure that tftp, dhcpd, nbd-server and ssh are running
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| 16:11 | <jelly-bean1> i have another server doing the dhcpd
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| 16:11 | ssh is running
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| 16:11 | <jelly-bean1> tftp not allowing me to telnet on 21 so i assume that service is not running
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| 16:11 | nbd-server?
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| 16:12 | <sbalneav> Like we said, I think the best bet would be to install ltsp-server-standalone, then just disable dhcpd
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| 16:12 | otherwise you're in for a lot of manual configuration.
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| 16:14 | <jelly-bean1> ok trying that now
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| 16:18 | * Gadi wonders what tftp has to do with port 21 | |
| 16:18 | <Gadi> (seeing as it runs on port 69)
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| 16:19 | <sbalneav> well, that too :)
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| 16:19 | * Gadi waves to sbalneav | |
| 16:20 | * Gadi wishes sbalneav were here for a good ole after-work rant session over beer | |
| 16:21 | * sbalneav home phone number is (204) 256-3695 | |
| 16:21 | <jelly-bean1> i just realized that
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| 16:21 | <sbalneav> gimme a buzz at about 6:30 CST
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| 16:22 | <jelly-bean1> it is working now :D
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| 16:22 | well farther, anyway. now its complaining about memory
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| 16:22 | <sbalneav> Or, at your option, I can phone you :)
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| 16:23 | <jelly-bean1> u r offering free support via phone?
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> sbalneav: u rock.... as always. By that time, I hope that some beer and battlestar galactica will ease my troubled mind :)
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| 16:25 | <sbalneav> jelly-bean1: I'm offering gadi an ear
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| 16:25 | <Gadi> give me an ear, and I'll take....
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| 16:25 | <sbalneav> YOU gotta stay in the channel :)
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| 16:25 | <jelly-bean1> ha
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| 16:26 | <sbalneav> I'm heading home for dinner.
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| 16:26 | <sbalneav> be back on later, jelly-bean1, hang about a bit, either someone else will help you, or you can wait for my return.
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| 16:26 | After Gadi and I have a beer. :)
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| 16:26 | see you all in a bit.
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| 16:30 | <jelly-bean1> cya
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| 16:30 | its saying Error: Connect: Connection refused
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| 16:30 | i wonder if i have to open a port
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> whoah
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| 17:10 | someone's trying to build LDM and ltspfs for FreeBSD
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| 17:11 | <jelly-bean1> how do i get the nbd server running
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| 17:11 | sudo service nbd-server start ** (process:4822): WARNING **: Could not parse config file: Could not open config file.
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| 17:16 | <jelly-bean1> im having this problem exactly http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5048630&postcount=5
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> jelly-bean1: it's started from inetd
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| 17:21 | invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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| 17:24 | <jelly-bean1> halelujah! that fixed it
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| 17:25 | <jelly-bean1> thnx vagrantc
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| 17:25 | which packages can i install on an ubuntu server installation to make it like an ubuntu desktop install? (e.g. is there some meta package like ubuntu-desktop?)
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> jelly-bean1: exactly like that
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| 17:27 | <jelly-bean1> is there a way to get compiz working on the thin client?
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| 17:27 | the hw will support it
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| 17:27 | its nvidia
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| 17:29 | <jelly-bean1> http://muzso.hu/2008/08/25/using-compiz-with-ltsp-on-ubuntu-aka.-fixing-the-no-whitelisted-driver-found-for-all-user
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| 17:30 | <jhutchins> jelly-bean1: Isn't compiz pretty much contradictory to the whole idea of a lean, thin client in the first place?
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| 17:31 | <jelly-bean1> these compaq desktops from best buy are only $200/ea and they come with 3d video cards. they are cheaper than even those novelty thin clients at fit-pc.com
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| 17:31 | so why not?
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| 17:35 | <jhutchins_lt> jelly-bean1: Network traffic?
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| 17:36 | <jelly-bean1> well how does compiz increase that?
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| 17:36 | isnt it loaded in thin client RAM drive and executed locally by local gfx hardware?
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| 17:36 | like a livecd
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| 17:45 | <jhutchins_lt> I dunno. Go for the jiggly windows, maybe it'll help productivity.
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| 17:50 | <jelly-bean1> i want translucent window decorations
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| 17:50 | going for a vista theme
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| 17:50 | it will help adoption
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| 18:39 | <Lns> compiz definitely *does* make people go "oooo, aaaaaahh"...
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| 19:28 | <ehrenpr> is there anyone with any experiebce with sugar and edubuntu karmic?
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| 19:29 | experience
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| 19:36 | <mzpl> hi
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| 19:37 | installing ltsp server but thin show an error file not found
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| 19:37 | need help please
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| 19:43 | <Ahmuck-Jr> ehrenpr: yes, nubae does that
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| 19:43 | mzpl: could you be more specific?
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| 19:45 | <ehrenpr> I have installed sugar via synaptic but cant login. It just kicks me back to the login screen.
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| 19:47 | <mzpl> we installed ubuntu 9.04
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| 19:47 | amd64
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> are your thin clients 64 bit?
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| 19:48 | <mzpl> thanks for the help we just found the error
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| 19:48 | its right in front of the monitor
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| 20:59 | <epaphus> hi all
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| 21:05 | <sbalneav> Hello epaphus
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| 21:06 | Son of Zeus and Io
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| 21:06 | One of my favorite moons :)
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| 21:07 | <epaphus> how do you know that?
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| 21:07 | <sbalneav> I'm an amateur astronomer, and lover of reading :)
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| 21:09 | <epaphus> are you greek by any chance?
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| 21:10 | <sbalneav> When I worked at the University of Winnipeg many years ago, I used to name my servers jovian moons :)
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| 21:10 | epaphus: Nope, I'm not. Scottish by descent, but Canadian by birth.
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| 21:10 | alkisg's greek though.
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| 21:11 | <epaphus> correct.
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| 21:11 | ok cool
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| 22:00 | <bigpaws> I have Ubuntu 9.10 LTSP setup and running. The Box is now headless and the only user that can log in from terminal is the main user.
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| 22:00 | The other users get a no response from server .. restarting.
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| 22:01 | Will doing sshkeys and updating the image fix that?
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| 22:09 | <sbalneav> Well, if the main user can log in, then no, I'd say not.
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| 22:09 | sounds like something else is the problem
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| 22:10 | How are userids handled at your site? in /etc/passwd & shadow? Or via ldap or? ...
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| 22:11 | <bigpaws> I believe /etc/passwd
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| 22:13 | <bigpaws> I have users in /etc/passwd
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| 22:14 | <sbalneav> Give this a try
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| 22:14 | cd ~user
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| 22:14 | :> .xsession-errors
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| 22:14 | try logging in as user
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| 22:15 | see if there's anything nasty in the users' .xsession-errors file.
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| 22:16 | <bigpaws> Ok I can take a look at that. I have the system off site right now. Funny it was running fine when just before I move the syste,
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| 22:16 | s/p syste,/syste,
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| 22:18 | I am getting Fatal IO errors localhost:11
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| 22:21 | I setup a second server trying to replicate the problem. Of course I was not successful in getting the problem
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| 22:46 | <skeemer> any thoughts on k12ltsp vs. ubuntu?
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| 22:47 | it seems that ubuntu seems to be a bit more efficient than redhat/fedora as a core system
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| 22:49 | <sbalneav> skeemer: distro wars can be discussed elsewhere :)
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| 22:51 | <skeemer> i guess, but i'm curious about peoples experience in ltsp situations
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| 22:52 | afaik, not a lot of people do heavily multi-user systems outside the ltsp world
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