IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 August 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:18 | <tl1000s77_> Has anyone had a problem where they install ltspfs, update the image, and then the thin clients boot but do not show a login screen?
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| 00:40 | TheMatrix3000: What kind of bash script are you looking to write?
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| 01:00 | <TheMatrix3000> any experience bash scripters in the room? or have any suggestions on a channel to join
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| 01:01 | <ball> TheMatrix3000: What's the question?
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| 01:08 | <TheMatrix3000> trying to create a script that does this
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| 01:09 | well its unrelated to LTSP so private chat?
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| 01:10 | <ball> There's probably a shell-scripting channel, I just don't know where it is.
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| 01:35 | <petre> TheMatrix3000, what are you trying to do?
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| 01:48 | <ball> petre: don't ask ;-)
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| 01:48 | petre: ...or just join #awk, where it's all being layed out.
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| 01:48 | <petre> ball, oh, come on,
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| 01:48 | <ball> petre: Suffice to say you're not missing anything ltsp-related
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| 01:49 | <petre> np, I like bash stuff
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| 06:52 | <bakytn> have you ever experienced problems with USB printers? It's saying that "The Document has been sent for printing" but no actual result i.e. printer is not printing
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| 06:53 | HP 1020 and Canon LBP 1120. And I don't know what's the problem
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| 06:53 | <alkisg> Printers on thin clients served with jetpipe, or normal cups printers on ltsp servers?
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| 06:54 | <bakytn> alkisg, to be honest I am not sure! because...I was just adding them as a network printers (they are connected via USB to the thin client deivces)
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| 06:54 | I tried with HP 1022N and it worked
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| 06:54 | alkisg, how can I check?
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| 06:54 | <alkisg> Do you want to print with localapps or from within the normal thin client session which runs on the server?
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| 06:55 | <bakytn> the latter one
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| 06:55 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 06:55 | <ltsp> alkisg: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf.
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| 06:55 | <alkisg> See the section about printers there
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| 06:55 | <bakytn> not form the local apps ok
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| 06:56 | I specified the main parameters for printers (PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 PRINTER_0_PORT=9100 PRINTER_0_TYPE=U)
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| 06:57 | with a printer with ethernet it worked (even though I didn't connect to the network directly)
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| 06:57 | <alkisg> (09:54:13 πμ) bakytn: I was just adding them as a network printers => what do you mean with that?
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| 06:58 | <bakytn> alkisg, steps: 1) I attach USB printer to the Thin Client device 2) I log in 3) I add the printer as a network printer specifying an IP of the thin client device (what it got from DHCP))
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| 06:59 | the thing is that it's not working with ordinary USB printers. But working with printers which have ethernet port in them (but I tried to use them as simple USB printers)
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| 06:59 | what is: LDM_PRINTER_LIST ?
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| 07:01 | as far as I understood..when you connect USB printer to the thin client device..it becomes a network printer..is that correct?
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| 07:01 | so I acted keeping that in mind
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| 07:08 | how can I find this page: http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers
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| 07:14 | <Hyperbyte> Morning. :)
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| 07:16 | <bakytn> Hello!
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| 07:16 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 07:16 | <bakytn> if I install CUPS to the chroot it means only local apps wuld be able to print?
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| 07:17 | <Hyperbyte> What are you trying to do exactly?
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| 07:17 | <bakytn> Hyperbyte, I just want to get USB printers working.
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| 07:18 | <bakytn> Hyperbyte, one printer (HP 1022N actually works) fine via USB. But that printer has Ethernet (again, it only has it, I attached via USB only, and it worked)
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| 07:19 | Hyperbyte, but for ordinary USB printers not printing (system is telling that "The Document is sent to the printer" but nothing is printing)
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| 07:19 | <bakytn> Using JetDirect, may be I'm doing something wrong
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| 07:24 | <Hyperbyte> I'm not too knowledge about that, but I can tell you that local printers are supposed to be turned into jetdirect printers by the LTSP thin client
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| 07:24 | These are then configured on the server's CUPS as network printers
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| 07:25 | That's how it's supposed to work I think.
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| 07:25 | <bakytn> Hyperbyte, may be just those my three printers are failing to work.
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| 07:25 | Hyperbyte, thank you
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| 07:25 | <Hyperbyte> Maybe Alkis has a better answer for you. :)
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| 07:27 | <bakytn> maybe %)
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| 07:52 | <muppis> bakytn, have you looked does clients with usb printers have jetpipe running?
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| 07:53 | <bakytn> muppis, how can I check? (btw, I checked the 9100 port and it listens)
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| 07:54 | I am trying to get new hplip file. Must help
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| 07:54 | i think it's actually a driver issue. because 1022n worked...
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| 07:55 | so it's not LTPS related :D
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| 07:56 | <muppis> Mostly it is configuration related.
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| 08:00 | <bakytn> most of the time they are USB printers attached directly to the thin client device
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| 08:00 | available via /dev/usblp0
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| 08:00 | that's it ;(
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| 08:03 | is this statement correct: "All printers attached to thin client device, become a network printers, and they don't require different drivers than those, one would use when working with ordinary PC"
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| 08:15 | <muppis> Mostly. Only it forgots to tell about configuration needes in lts.conf
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| 08:16 | <bakytn> what kind of configs besides PRINTER_0_DEVICE PRINTER_0_PORT and PRINTER_0_TYPE?
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| 08:17 | <muppis> That's enough.
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| 08:21 | <bakytn> YES! I just had to upgrade hplip package from 3.11.1 to 3.11.7 (the latest)...HP printers are now working.
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| 08:21 | Now I'm returning to my fight vs Canons
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| 08:22 | but that's another story :D
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| 08:22 | <muppis> A lot another.
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| 08:22 | <bakytn> yes.
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| 08:22 | <muppis> HP's were always easy for me.
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| 08:23 | <bakytn> TRUE! Till now I always considered Canon printers to be the best. But now I understand how I was wrong.
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| 08:23 | HP has really better support for driver for Linux
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| 12:59 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone!
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| 13:02 | <Hyperbyte> Good morning mgariepy! :-D
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| 13:35 | <highvoltage> good morning
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| 13:48 | <jammcq> hey hey
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| 13:52 | <Blinny> Good morningig!
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| 13:54 | <tl1000s77> With ltspfs, using rdesktop is there a way for it to mount a local usb thumb drive?
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| 13:56 | <Gadi1> tl1000s77: install ltspfs in the chroot and then set: -r disk:drives=/media/root
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| 13:56 | then, you will have a windows drive called drives in which the removable media will appear as folders
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| 13:57 | <tl1000s77> Great, I'll give that a try
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| 14:08 | <tl1000s77> Gadi1: Thanks, that worked! Now only if I could get the sound over rdesktop working it would be the complete package. :-)
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> !disable_compiz
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| 14:39 | <ltsp> alkisg: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> 40 days uptime, not bad
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| 14:39 | <jammcq_> alkisg: any chance you'll join us at BTS ?
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> jammcq_: I'm patiently waiting for the UDS sponsorship results :-/
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| 14:40 | <jammcq_> ah, cool
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> Any day now, I hope...
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| 14:40 | <markit> UDS sponsorship? what is UDS?
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
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| 14:41 | <jammcq_> Ubuntu Developer Summit
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> "a link is worth a thousand words" - old chinese saying
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| 14:41 | :P
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| 14:49 | <markit> alkisg: since ubuntu is using debian, are you considering having your code in debian ?
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| 14:49 | (just in case your UDS is referred to sch-script be inserted in ubuntu repo)
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> Erm, I do want sch-scripts to be in the debian archives some time in the future (probably in the 14.04 time frame), but no, UDS for me isn't related to sch-scripts at all
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| 15:00 | <muppis> Something I should know about nbd server in Mavericl?
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| 15:03 | Doesn't start by default, so is there somewhere conf what I've missed?
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> It should start, it's probably some configuration problem in your setup, not a distro series problem
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| 15:04 | So let's get it from the start...
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| 15:04 | grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:04 | Whats the output there?
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| 15:04 | <muppis> Nothing.
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> ls /opt/ltsp/images
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| 15:04 | There?
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| 15:04 | <mistik1> jammcq_: hola, long time no chat :)
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| 15:05 | <muppis> amd64.img and i386.img, as should be.
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| 15:06 | <jammcq_> hey hey mistik1
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| 15:06 | how's it going?
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> muppis: ok, try `sudo ltsp-update-image --force`, that updates inetd too
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| 15:06 | <mistik1> jammcq_: pretty good I must say ;)
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| 15:06 | <jammcq_> cool
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| 15:06 | you anywhere near that hurricane?
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| 15:07 | hmm, I seem to have a tail
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| 15:07 | <muppis> alkisg, that did the trick. Thanks.
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| 15:07 | <mistik1> nah, Looks like she's gonna miss us
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| 15:07 | <jammcq> ah, better
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| 15:07 | <mistik1> just a throwing a little rain our way
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| 15:08 | last night the sky was a lightshow of lightning
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| 15:09 | jammcq: so what's now and exciting these days?
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| 15:09 | <jammcq> hmmm, just organizing bts-2011
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| 15:09 | back in maine
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| 15:09 | <mistik1> rats
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| 15:09 | <jammcq> yeah, wish you could be there
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| 15:10 | <mistik1> why not Ocho Rios?
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| 15:10 | <jammcq> ummmm
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| 15:10 | we'll have to try that some time
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| 15:10 | <mistik1> would prolly just a cheap as main for most
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| 15:11 | <muppis> My LTSP HTPC boots again. :)
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| 15:11 | <mistik1> Or we could use my aunt's little villa in Montego Bay
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| 15:12 | <knipwim> jammcq: is the BTS agenda open for input?
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| 15:13 | <jammcq> yessir
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| 15:13 | it's wide open
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| 15:14 | got some ideas?
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| 15:14 | <knipwim> i had some ideas for the wiki
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| 15:15 | adding a feature list, with explanation for each one
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| 15:15 | and providing a better distro overview
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| 15:15 | which versions are included, stable, unstable
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| 15:15 | and which features are supported in each one
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| 15:16 | basically :)
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| 15:18 | i can provide some mediawiki code of this if you like
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| 15:20 | <jammcq> knipwim: there's talk of switching wiki's. not sure where we'll end up yet. certainly we'll be discussing that in october
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| 15:22 | * alkisg also likes google sites, it has an online editor with history and supports multiple authors etc, and supports mapping domains with CNAME... :) | |
| 15:22 | <alkisg> Easiest documentation method ever
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| 15:23 | <Hyperbyte> Is there any wiki software that doesn't have an online editor with history and multiple authors?
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| 15:24 | <jammcq> alkisg: the problem with google sites is it costs money
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> The sourceforge media wiki
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| 15:24 | jammcq: no, it's completely free
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| 15:24 | <jammcq> i'd be happy with google to manage it, if we could do mailing lists too
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| 15:24 | only completely free if you are a non-profit
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| 15:24 | we aren't officially a non-profit
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> ...google apps for your domain, along with google sites, isn't free for business?!
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| 15:25 | I thought that's their target audience...
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| 15:25 | <jammcq> noo
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| 15:25 | it's $50/user per year
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> I have 4-5 sites on them, but I haven't gone through their EULA
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| 15:25 | <mistik1> google is out of the free business
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| 15:25 | <jammcq> I think you can do free for up to 10 users
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| 15:26 | it used to be upto 50 users
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| 15:27 | <knipwim> jammcq: why is there talk of switching wiki's?
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| 15:28 | <jammcq> media wiki is pretty un-user friendly
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| 15:28 | we used to use twiki and it was nice and easy
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/terms/standard_terms.html
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| 15:28 | I don't see any mention of non-profit there
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| 15:31 | <jammcq> what do you get with the 'free' google apps?
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> The google sites CMS, 2 gb storage, no mention of traffic limits, 10 user accounts for emails etc...
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| 15:32 | All that under a cname, e.g. docs.ltsp.org
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| 15:32 | <jammcq> yeah, 10 user is free
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| 15:32 | more than that costs money
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> I don't think we need more in the docs team :)
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| 15:32 | Anything else can go in the comments
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| 15:32 | <jammcq> no, but i'd like to find something that can handle our mailing list too
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> (each page has a comments section)
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| 15:33 | <jammcq> there's more than 1,000 people on that list
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| 15:33 | <Blinny> Non-profits get the premier edition of apps for no charge.
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> Maybe code.google.com, I don't know, but I don't think there's need to have the wiki on the same host as the mailing list
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| 15:33 | <jammcq> and... i'd want lots of people to be able to edit the wiki
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| 15:33 | <Blinny> (I use it for my non-profit)
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| 15:33 | <jammcq> not just the doc team
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| 15:33 | not the same host, but it'd be nice if it was all with the same provider
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> I'm not sure that's good. The ubuntultsp wiki has lots of errors posted by beginners
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| 15:34 | I'd prefer them as comments, and integrated by someone in the docs team
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| 15:34 | <jammcq> there's TONs of value in allowing our community to put things on the wiki
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> I don't think we'll ever have more than 10 people willing to write more than 1 wiki page simultaneously :)
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| 15:35 | <jammcq> well... not concurrently
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| 15:35 | but they'd need access
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> The accounts can be changed then
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| 15:36 | Sure, if >10 users were allowed it'd be easier, but I'd still prefer a docs team rather than an open wiki
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| 15:36 | open comments, yes. Open wiki, I don't like it.
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| 15:36 | First apply for the docs team, then go ahead and edit whatever you like...
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| 15:37 | <jammcq> ok, what do you do, when the 11th person applies to the docs team?
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| 15:38 | * alkisg wishes that comes true some day :) | |
| 15:38 | <alkisg> But we never had so many concurrent docs writers
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| 15:38 | 1, sometimes 2...
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| 15:38 | <knipwim> jammcq: the other option is to host a twiki somewhere
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| 15:39 | <jammcq> knipwim: yeah, we did that before. someone else is already offering to host the stuff. I think we'll be talking about this alot at bts
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| 15:41 | <knipwim> nice :)
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> Trusted authors may even use 1 single account, as there's history, nothing gets deleted
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| 15:43 | But sure allowing for any number of authors would be better
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| 15:44 | <knipwim> you could have generic accounts, one for each distro
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| 15:44 | and accounts for the die-hard doc writers
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| 15:44 | <dgroos> alkisg: hi, returning from fire duty...
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> Hey dgroos
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| 15:46 | <dgroos> I'm sitting down working on the test you requested a couple days ago--sorry it took so long...
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> I tested a bit with -noshm, I couldn't see any difference in vnc speed with a vbox client... but in a lab it would show better
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| 15:46 | <dgroos> You still need it?
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> Yup, it'd be nice to have it
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| 15:46 | <dgroos> good
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| 15:47 | I'm looking in my lts.conf and see a couple of things, First, I can't find any -noshm, is that where it goes?
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> First, put LTSP_FATCLIENT=False under [Default] in lts.conf
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| 15:47 | Boot all your clients
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| 15:47 | <dgroos> did that.
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| 15:47 | OK, still need to boot...
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Then, sudo gedit /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/schscripts/client/gui.py
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| 15:48 | Search for "# TODO: switch to using -autoport" near line 824
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| 15:48 | Now, for the two tests:
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| 15:49 | 1) Without modifying anything in gui.py, start broadcasting mode, and see how fast it goes
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| 15:49 | Or run sudo iperf if you prefer
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| 15:49 | The teacher needs to be on the server... did you say you have freenx?
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| 15:49 | Then, close sch-scripts and start the second test:
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| 15:49 | <dgroos> ah… yes, do have the -noshm in that file.
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> 2) Change the next line so that it reads: self.runas_sudo_user(['x11vnc', '-noshm', '-nopw', '-quiet', '-viewonly', '-shared', '-forever',
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| 15:50 | Ah
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| 15:50 | So the (1) and (2) tests are the opposite, you need to remove -noshm for the second test
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| 15:50 | So, we need the teacher to "sit on the server" somehow, and broadcast to thin clients, with or without -noshm
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| 15:50 | <dgroos> And how many clients do you want booted for this test--does it matter?
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> And see if that actually makes a difference. If not, we'll put -noshm in all cases
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| 15:51 | 10 would be nice, it would allow you to see the result with your own eyes
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| 15:51 | <dgroos> 'k
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| 15:51 | I'll get back to you...
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Thanks :)
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| 15:51 | Don't forget to restart the sch-scripts gui after the -noshm change
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> dgroos: bbl, if you want post your results here, I'll look at the irc logs
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| 16:43 | <dgroos> alkisg: seeing the lab isn't setup so have been doing that + bbl but will post results here.
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| 17:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi / alkisg: ping?
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| 17:27 | <pscheie> jammcq, ping
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| 17:29 | <Hyperbyte> Everybody! Ping!
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| 17:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> ?!?
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| 17:32 | I am here!
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> Ping! Pong! King! Kong!
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| 17:32 | <Hyperbyte> Let's ping 'till we pong!
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: /me just seen the logs, you wanted something/
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| 17:48 | ?
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| 17:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: yeah. I am using the MIC_VOLUME = xxx lts.conf stuff
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> You want Gadi then :D
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| 17:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> and I am trying to figure out why it only works after I run the following script in xinitrc.d....
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| 17:49 | oh.
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| 17:49 | okay :P
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| 18:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> OK EVERYONE I GOT IT
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| 18:43 | sound=true is REQUIRED for XXX_VOLUME=YYY to work properly
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| 18:43 | EVEN THOUGH it should be set by default to sound=true
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| 18:45 | <TheMatrix3000> anyway i can make this http://pastebin.com/PRSDbuK2 a bash script
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| 18:45 | that I can run on demand
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> _UsUrPeR_: that doesn't make any sense.
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| 19:10 | the *_VOLUME stuff happens way after the SOUND variable is set, at least with plain LTSP
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| 21:19 | <dgroos> alkisg: I tested with 12 clients. I wasn't able to discern a difference in response times between including and not including the -noshm code.
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| 21:20 | I tested moving around a window within the frame. Also ran the phet site natural selection java applet.
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| 21:21 | And I did restart sch-scripts between the tests.
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| 21:21 | hth :)
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| 21:38 | <TheMatrix3000> what is the gconftool command to reset gconf for everyone
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| 21:38 | i have a few users that can't shutdown or logout with the menu
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| 21:53 | <TheMatrix3000> how do i make gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall -u $USER gnome-panel apply to everyone
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| 22:02 | <TheMatrix3000> how do i make gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall -u $USER gnome-panel apply to everyone
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| 22:11 | <alkisg> On every login? Or just once?
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| 22:24 | dgroos, if you read the logs, thanks a lot, I'll put the -noshm option for all cases
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| 23:00 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg: just once
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| 23:09 | <alkisg> Here's an easy way... sudo -i; rm -rf /home/*/.gconf/apps/panel
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| 23:09 | Otherwise you need sudo -u user gconftool-2 --direct --config-source... etc
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| 23:27 | <monteslu> finally really get the big picture of MueKow (yeah, half a decade late, i know)
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| 23:27 | I got yum in the ltsp chroot which makes local app installs really easy
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| 23:28 | much awesomeness. thanks ltsp developers for doing that stuff
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| 23:31 | <vagrantc> folks call it ltsp5 nowadays :)
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| 23:32 | * alkisg would like to learn the story behind the "mewcow" name one day... | |
| 23:32 | <alkisg> *u
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| 23:32 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg, that command, when the user logs in it will recreate the panels?
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| 23:33 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: yes
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| 23:33 | <monteslu> ltsp5 sounds so formal, muekow keeps a nod to jammcq :)
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| 23:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you'll have to ask jammcq or sbalneav
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| 23:33 | <monteslu> who's the project lead these days?
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| 23:34 | <vagrantc> if i recall correctly, the joke was something between those two along the lines of "longhorn was already taken"
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| 23:34 | <TheMatrix3000> oh longhorn
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| 23:34 | <vagrantc> monteslu: each distro has it's lead, essentially
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| 23:34 | <TheMatrix3000> ha microsofts legendary new server os
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| 23:35 | the to later be Server 2003
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| 23:35 | lol
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| 23:35 | <monteslu> vagrantc, isnt there still a core upstream package?
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| 23:35 | <TheMatrix3000> oh wait, i ment Windows Vista
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| 23:35 | <vagrantc> monteslu: there are a few upstream bzr branches, and each distro releases a new version when it's useful to them
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| 23:35 | <TheMatrix3000> Windows Vista - Longhorn
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| 23:35 | <monteslu> ahh, ok
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| 23:36 | <vagrantc> overall, it's stabalized a bit... not a lot of huge changes
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| 23:36 | <monteslu> funny thing is now that everything is a webapp ltsp really makes sense. 10 years ago it was a tougher sell
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| 23:37 | <vagrantc> it's still a touch sell, with computers being so cheap and powerful
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| 23:37 | that's why a lot of folks have worked with fatclients
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| 23:37 | <monteslu> right, but you can push stuff to local apps easily
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| 23:38 | i think it makes more sense than ever
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| 23:38 | <vagrantc> well, good chatting... got to bike off into the sunset
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| 23:38 | <alkisg> Here in schools we still have P3's with 64-256 MB RAM... yeah LTSP makes a lot of sense :)
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| 23:38 | BB lonesome cowboy
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| 23:39 | <monteslu> alkisg, mine arent much better. They're ~6 year old thin clients
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| 23:39 | Though I think I have half of them on 768MB ram
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| 23:40 | tuxpaint and gcompris and stuff like that are definitely gonna run local
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| 23:41 | * alkisg sets any pc with > 512 RAM to run as fat | |
| 23:41 | <TheMatrix3000> why?
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| 23:41 | <alkisg> I don't like maintaining localapps, fat clients seem easier
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| 23:41 | <TheMatrix3000> what makes fat clients easier to maintain
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| 23:42 | <alkisg> E.g. click on firefox, on an .odt file, or on a .pdf... with no openoffice local
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| 23:42 | You'll need workarounds and remoteapps to open that on the server
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| 23:42 | <monteslu> true
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| 23:42 | or have to teach people to download, save, then open
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| 23:42 | <alkisg> Or, printer sharing... cups just works, I don't see a point in jetdirect when the clients have enough ram
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| 23:43 | And of course there's also better performance usually
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| 23:44 | <monteslu> you can push down the whole image as fat with ltsp?
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| 23:44 | * monteslu has been out of it for a while | |
| 23:44 | <alkisg> As a networked disk, yes, NBD in ubuntu, where the client only reads the sectors it needs
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| 23:44 | It's pretty fast, e.g. some descent fat clients here start in 12 seconds, while with standalone OS they need 50
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| 23:44 | <TheMatrix3000> but you will need a hard drive right?
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| 23:44 | <alkisg> No
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| 23:45 | <monteslu> alkisg, is it a different chroot than the ltsp one?
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| 23:45 | <alkisg> A networked NBD disk is like booting a client from a USB disk... it's just served via the network from the ltsp server
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| 23:45 | monteslu: no, it's the same chroot, and it can even serve thin clients too
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| 23:45 | < 300 MB RAM ==> automatically thin client
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| 23:45 | <monteslu> way cool
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| 23:45 | must investigate more
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| 23:45 | <alkisg> Or if one sets LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf
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| 23:45 | !fatclients
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| 23:45 | <ltsp> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients.
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| 23:46 | <monteslu> wicked
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| 23:46 | <alkisg> Of course, thin chroots (compressed) are about 200 MB, while fat chroots are about 1 Gb
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| 23:46 | <TheMatrix3000> do do i need a hard drive alkisg
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| 23:46 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: not on the clients. Only on the ltsp server.
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| 23:47 | It's like localapps. Except that everything is a localapp, even the session
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| 23:47 | <TheMatrix3000> so if i have 1GB ram on a system
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| 23:47 | and im running localapps right now
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| 23:47 | for vlc, firefox, and chrome
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| 23:47 | i could actually run more as a Fat Client
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| 23:47 | and applications would be faster?
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| 23:47 | <alkisg> Yup. You'd also have gnome-panel, openoffice, etc as localapps now
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| 23:48 | It's like using a live cd served from the network
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| 23:48 | You only use the server for authentication, /home, and for the root disk (NBD)
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| 23:48 | <TheMatrix3000> so if all my computers are 1GB ram and 2.5ghz processor i should stop running as thin and run as thick
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| 23:49 | <alkisg> I do that, yes. But on some cases, thins are preferred
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| 23:49 | E.g. if a bank only wants to run a small app without multimedia at all, there's no need to maintain a fat chroot
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| 23:49 | <TheMatrix3000> oh ok
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| 23:49 | oh, and i can't centrally control applications running
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| 23:49 | that's no bueno
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| 23:50 | <alkisg> You mean `sudo killall firefox`?
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| 23:50 | <TheMatrix3000> yea
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| 23:50 | will that kill all firefox on fat clients
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| 23:50 | <alkisg> You need a controlling app for that, like italc or sch-scripts
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| 23:50 | No, it wont. And it won't kill a localapps firefox either
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| 23:50 | So it won't work in your case *currently*, as you said you have localapps
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| 23:50 | <TheMatrix3000> i couldn't even get italc to work
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| 23:50 | yea, it was an example
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| 23:51 | sorry, but some people run openoffice
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| 23:51 | and i do have to kill that
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| 23:51 | sometimes
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| 23:51 | <alkisg> Yeah that's a thin client advantage, all processes on the server
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| 23:51 | <TheMatrix3000> i i use a kill script to log everyone off at midnight
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| 23:51 | <alkisg> The fat client advantage in this case is that you can have a P3 as the server :D
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| 23:51 | <TheMatrix3000> oh haha
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| 23:51 | <alkisg> No cpu needed at all
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| 23:52 | <TheMatrix3000> i have a quad processor dual core xeon 3.0 server
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| 23:52 | 8 processors total
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| 23:52 | 64bit
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| 23:52 | and a gigabit backbone
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| 23:52 | and 8gb ram
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| 23:52 | i think i may be good lol
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| 23:52 | <alkisg> Another advantage of fat clients is that they can run 3d apps
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| 23:52 | <TheMatrix3000> like on 11.0
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| 23:52 | the new panels
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| 23:53 | etc
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| 23:53 | <alkisg> So if you try glxgears with your huge server, you won't be able to run it at all
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| 23:53 | Yes, or google earth etc
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| 23:53 | There are pros and cons - evaluate them and decide what's best for you
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