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Channel log from 12 March 2007 (all times are UTC)

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05:17	<krinns> hi all
05:17	i have ubuntu with ltsp
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05:17	<krinns> when i login to thinclient it wont create home dir automatically
05:17	wht should i do
05:17	<envite> Hello all from Spain
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06:10	<cliebow_> hHola envite
06:11	<envite> Hola cliebow_
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06:18	<kaminski-ltsp-br> hi all
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08:10	<loca\|host> how to change the default keyboard layout on LTSP 4.2 ?
08:14	what is USE_XFS good for ?
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08:18	<erdinc> hi everyone
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08:25	<plamengr> loca\|host: how to change the default keyboard layout on LTSP 4.2 ?
08:25	Insert into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg:
08:26	Section "InputDevice"
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08:26	<plamengr> Identifier "Keyboard0"
08:26	Driver "keyboard"
08:26	Option "XkbLayout" "${XKBLAYOUT:-"us,bg"}"
08:26	Option "XkbRules" "${XKBRULES:-"xfree86"}"
08:26	Option "XkbOptions" "grp:ctrl_shift_toggle"
08:27	This example adds Bulgarian keyboard layout, and the switch combination is Ctrl+Shift
08:27	<ogra> loca\|host, just use the lts.conf file, wiki.ltsp.org has howtos etc.
08:28	<loca\|host> ok
08:28	thanks to all
08:28	i have a problem
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08:29	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> buenos dias
08:29	good morning!
08:29	<loca\|host> thin client detects cdrom that is on the ltsp server, i would like to get them access their own cdrom device and get use of pluggable usb sticks ...
08:29	<ogra> loca\|host, thats described on the ltsp wiki as well ...
08:30	you do it as well through the lts.conf file and by addung your users to the fuse group
08:30	*adding
08:30	<loca\|host> i think am not kinda habituated with the ltsp wiki
08:32	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: have trouble with nfsmount .. nfs said not found the path .. i typed in the dhcp.conf .. and the client is retrying again and again
08:33	<loca\|host> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, wich ltsp version ? 5 or earlier ?
08:33	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> 5
08:34	<cliebow> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, lets see your root-path statement...but dont post the whole thing except via pastebot
08:34	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> with debian etch
08:37	<plamengr> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: With LTSP5 you don't need the IP adress of the root-path. You can write: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; Did you try that?
08:38	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> no
08:38	i don't know that
08:38	let c agan
08:38	i has 192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/386
08:38	i try without ip
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08:48	<cliebow> yes do
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08:59	<cliebow> Gadi:!!!!
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09:00	<Gadi> mornin, cliebow
09:01	or is it afternoon? infernal clocks...
09:01	;)
09:03	<cliebow> heh
09:04	Gadi: booting to a shell on client in ltsp5(ppc) any clue what needs to be put in an lts.conf
09:04	trying to get the buggies worked out
09:05	<Gadi> SCREEN_XX = shell (where XX = 07 for just a shell and something else for a shell + ldm, i think)
09:05	* jammcq prefers exfernal clocks. easier to set
09:05	<cliebow> and startx for a remote xdmcp?
09:05	<Gadi> yup
09:06	<cliebow> emac video appears not to autodetect..trying to figure out why..
09:07	<Gadi> did you use the "-please" flag?
09:09	<cliebow> good idea..i will try it...the -dughole threat did not work
09:09	<Gadi> y'know, you catch more bees with honey than a hunting rifle
09:09	cheney taught me that one....
09:18	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> brb
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09:30	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> nfs said time out without ip:/path/ltsp/i386
09:32	now start ok
09:32	cool
09:32	now left me gdm
09:34	where i set i want to start with gdm desktop?
09:34	like ltspadmin
09:34	at ltsp-4.2
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09:35	<cliebow> where did i go?
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09:42	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: if you are using LTSP5: SCREEN_07 = startx
09:42	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> cliebow: where i set i want to start with gdm desktop?
09:43	ah
09:43	wait.. now i'm installing gdm
09:43	<cliebow> gdm is not a desktop..you mean gnome?
09:44	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> where is the screen_07?
09:44	at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf?
09:45	<Gadi> correct
09:46	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> but when i typed ltsp-build-client
09:46	ltsp was intalled ok but that file not was created
09:46	i typed a hand
09:46	<Gadi> ltsp5 does not need an lts.conf
09:46	it is optional
09:47	<cliebow> mostly
09:47	<Gadi> you create it by hand if you need it
09:47	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> so if not exist
09:47	where i set the screen_07 then?
09:47	<Gadi> it has the same format as LTSP 4.2
09:47	ie:
09:47	[Default]
09:47	SCREEN_07 = startx
09:47	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
09:48	xserver failed
09:48	not start the X
09:48	no screen founds
09:49	<Gadi> on the thin client?
09:49	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yeyeye
09:49	jajajaj
09:49	not instaled the xorg server package ;)
09:49	<cliebow> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, :how about a shorter name?
09:49	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: ??
09:50	i think you are installing things incorrectly
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09:50	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> where is the step by step then
09:50	<Gadi> there should be one step: ltsp-build-client
09:50	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ltsp-5 only said ltsp-build-client nothing more
09:50	<Gadi> thats it
09:50	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> but that not installed all :(
09:50	have to finish . the things
09:51	<Gadi> what command are you running to determine that?
09:51	remember, it installs to the chroot
09:51	not to the server
09:51	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> how can i install to crhoot?
09:51	<Gadi> since you ask the question, I would recommend that you do not
09:51	:)
09:52	it should do it for you
09:52	now, if you do not have X on the server
09:52	and yet are trying to install gdm
09:52	then, perhaps gdm will have an issue
09:52	or at least the default gdm.conf
09:53	as it will try to launch X on a console on the server
09:53	by default
09:53	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
09:54	<Gadi> I dont know what distro you are starting with, but if you're new to this, perhaps starting with one that has most desktop packages installed is the best road
09:54	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> debian etch
09:57	gdm installed ok
09:57	but not start
09:57	xserver-xorg installed ok too
09:57	and either
09:59	Gadi: client not start X :(
10:00	<Gadi> what does the log say?
10:00	are you working at the server?
10:00	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
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10:00	<Gadi> do you have xorg drivers installed?
10:01	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
10:01	I typed aptitude install xserver-xorg gdm
10:01	server start X ok
10:01	client no
10:02	<Gadi> are you running a graphical desktop at the server?
10:02	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
10:02	infact in the navigation room where i put ltsp-4.2
10:02	server start just X
10:02	not logged but start X
10:02	and clients works fine
10:02	client log said
10:02	EE no device detected
10:02	fatal server error
10:02	no screen found
10:03	<Gadi> hmm...
10:03	sounds like your videocard is not configured properly
10:03	try: XSERVER = vesa
10:03	in lts.ocnf
10:03	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ahh
10:03	<Gadi> er, lts.conf
10:03	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yea maybe
10:03	because my client test is a laptop
10:03	1 sec
10:04	has auto
10:04	i se now your vesa option
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10:08	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: vesa ..down
10:08	same error
10:08	<Gadi> I suggest you set: SCREEN_02 = shell
10:08	reboot the laptop
10:09	<isojussi> is possible to use 2 displays in laptop with ltsp?
10:09	<Gadi> ctrl-alt-f2
10:09	yes
10:09	and check the thin client's X log
10:10	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> screen_01 = vesa, auto
10:10	i set now xorg.conf to test
10:10	and screen_02 set shell
10:10	<Gadi> gak
10:10	no
10:10	SCREEN_01 = startx
10:10	XSERVER = vesa
10:10	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ahhh righe
10:10	<Gadi> SCREEN_02 = shell
10:10	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> nono
10:10	scree is ok
10:11	i wrogn typeing here
10:11	xserver with xorg.conf not works
10:13	<Gadi> ok: just set: SCREEN_07 = shell
10:13	and reboot the thin client
10:13	that should just bring you into a shell
10:13	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i loggin like root
10:13	and ltsp logout me
10:13	<Gadi> dont log in as root
10:13	log in as a user
10:13	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
10:13	<Gadi> wait
10:13	you have a login screen?
10:14	i thought the xserver doesnt work!
10:14	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> wait
10:14	is booting now
10:14	<Gadi> sigh
10:14	it doesnt help if the problem keeps changing :P
10:14	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i loggin like user
10:15	ok have a shell
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10:15	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> like root
10:17	logout me auto
10:18	<Gadi> Im not quite sure what the problem is anymore
10:18	at one point it was the xserver gave you an erro
10:18	er, error
10:18	now you are suddenly with a login screen
10:18	but cant log in
10:19	maybe if I wait long enough, you will be streaming video from cnn, and I'll still be trying to get you a login screen! :P
10:19	hehe
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10:25	<_EXP> i have acer 4050 laptop, is it possible to use it with 2 displays in lts?
10:26	<vagrantc> if you can configure X properly, sure.
10:26	you can specify a custom X configuration file with XF86CONFIG= in lts.conf
10:28	<cliebow> jammcq: you will hold off with that ppc chroot for a bit?the emacs dont want to cooperate..
10:30	<jammcq> cliebow: it's out there already
10:30	no holding back now
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10:33	<cliebow> OoooKkkkk..the emac boots fine but has an x driver issue
10:33	<jammcq> so, we'll sort it out, and publish an update
10:33	no biggie
10:34	<cliebow> ill try to catch ogra...see about autodetect r128 (i think?)
10:34	maybe fixed already in feisty..
10:35	<ogra> cliebow, i have no acess to any emac
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10:35	<ogra> and given that i have to do ppc stuff in my spare time i'm not sure i can put much debugging time in, r128 works on my G4
10:36	<cliebow> ogra: ok i can play with it in our library but i am challenged how the video autodetect works..is there a vdlist somewhere?
10:37	from what little i could gather the vid card has either a radeon or r128 chipset
10:39	spare time?? HA!
10:40	<ogra> ppc is a community maintained port now
10:41	<cliebow> yeah i saw that.. i think the ltsp piece is pretty important..i need to build a feisty ibook and at least get the latest
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10:55	<plamengr> Hi. all :) Sorry for bothering you again...I'm using Debian sid and LTSP-5. The clients' boot is ok, but when i want to log in with LDM, i've got a black screen and i return to the logging manager. I did ltsp-update-sshkeys, I regenerated the server's keys and again ltsp-update-sshkeys, but no changes.
10:56	/var/log/auth.log says:
10:56	nishava sshd[3548]: Accepted password for test1 from 172.24.1.25 port 4375 ssh2
10:56	nishava sshd[3550]: (pam_unix) session opened for user test1 by (uid=0)
10:57	<ltsppbot> "plamengr" pasted "My full /var/log/ldm.log is here" (66 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/45
10:58	<vagrantc> plamengr: what window managers do you have installed on your server?
10:59	<plamengr> kdm, gdm
10:59	<vagrantc> window managers, not display managers
10:59	<plamengr> Icewm
10:59	<vagrantc> ok ...
11:00	plamengr: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
11:01	<plamengr> I also have another server which works perfectly fine
11:01	<ltsppbot> "plamengr" pasted "My working /var/log/ldm.log is here" (86 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/46
11:01	<vagrantc> plamengr: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
11:02	<plamengr> just a moment
11:02	* vagrantc raises an eyebrow at ldm.log
11:02	<plamengr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3944 2007-02-20 11:07 /etc/X11/Xsession
11:03	I think it was 755, I changed it to 644
11:03	<vagrantc> plamengr: chmod +x /etc/X11/Xsession
11:03	and try to log in
11:03	<plamengr> the result was the same before, when it was 755
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11:04	<vagrantc> well, i know that ldm runs that file to log in, and it must be executable.
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11:05	<vagrantc> plamengr: and from your log: env: /etc/X11/Xsession: Permission denied
11:05	so...
11:05	<_EXP> how i can make this work in lts client http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_855GME
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11:05	<plamengr> If that's not the problem, what could it be?
11:06	<Gadi> plamengr: make it executable, try again, and post new logs
11:06	* vagrantc thanks Gadi
11:06	<Gadi> your last logs indicate that was where it failed (at not being 755)
11:06	<plamengr> On the server with the problem, there was 4.2, maybe it confuses something
11:06	<Gadi> sigh Why doesnt anyone listen?
11:06	<plamengr> :)
11:07	<Gadi> :)
11:07	perhaps I need more coffee
11:07	then people will listen
11:07	<plamengr> I'll try that, and I'll write, 10x a lot
11:10	* Gadi thinks Windows has corrupted the analytical minds of todays computer professionals
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11:13	<_EXP> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Extreme_Graphics_2 how I can config these to lts client?
11:13	* vagrantc thinks professionalism has corrupted the minds of todays computer savvy
11:15	* Gadi thinks freedom is a dish best served with fries
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11:16	<Gadi> _EXP: same rules of configuring in Linux: you must have a supported driver, and you must have a xorg.conf that loads that driver
11:17	_EXP: getting the supported driver into your lts chroot (if it is not already there) depends upon which version of LTSP you have
11:18	_EXP: specifying is as simple as: XSERVER = <driver>
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11:23	<erdinc> hi everyone
11:24	does anybody have problem with via rhine?
11:24	<ogra> Gadi, freedom is something sweet, i'd rather serve it with wafers than fries ;)
11:24	<cliebow> erdinc:this is ltsp5? ot 4.2 with 2.6.17 krernel
11:25	<erdinc> 2.6.17
11:26	<cliebow> trey 2.6.16.1
11:26	<erdinc> hm
11:26	<cliebow> i think thewre was something erratic with 17
11:26	and via rhine
11:26	<erdinc> hmm thanx
11:27	<cliebow> dont qoute me though
11:27	<Gadi> !seen mistik1
11:27	<ltspbot> Gadi: mistik1 was last seen in #ltsp 16 hours, 29 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <mistik1> However its never a fight with Gentoo ;)
11:27	<cliebow> !seen Gadi
11:27	<ltspbot> cliebow: Gadi was last seen in #ltsp 12 seconds ago: <Gadi> !seen mistik1
11:27	<Gadi> lol... and here I am fighting with gentoo....
11:27	<cliebow> he was talking to me at the time 8~)
11:28	Gadi:i cant even read my own code zanymore..
11:29	<Gadi> lol
11:29	biggest beef with gentoo: this whole e-gimmick
11:29	its giving me a headache
11:29	<cliebow> get out your ipod listen to some imusic..then have ilunch
11:30	<Gadi> someone from Jersey needs to come out with a distro where all the commands are a series of profanities
11:30	<cliebow> Jeez: that could be Mistik1
11:30	<Gadi> ill bring it up at the next f^&*'n meeting
11:30	<cliebow> how about Cripes -e
11:31	Balls --input
11:31	<Gadi> cliebow: you wouldnt last too long in Jersey, my friend
11:32	<cliebow> No..that is true too true
11:32	<Gadi> alas, neither would I
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11:33	* vagrantc has probably spent 2-3 months in neuvo jersey, all told
11:33	<Gadi> and that was just on the turnpike ;)
11:34	<cliebow> Ha!
11:36	<vagrantc> sheltered old colonial towns actually... not the jersey most folks think of
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11:38	<lizk12> I have problems with Reciclared. Won't boot.
11:39	<cliebow> ??
11:39	ohhh recycled
11:39	?
11:40	does it hum at all?
11:42	<lizk12> loading initrd.gz. "Boot fails. Change disks and press any key" Reciclared is a boot disk from www.ejerciciosresueltos.com
11:43	It tells you what kind of hardware the computer has.
11:44	<Gadi> lizk12: try this one: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
11:44	it'll try to find the correct one
11:46	<lizk12> I have the universal boot floppy already, but I need to know what kind of graphic card is inside the computer.
11:47	<Gadi> LTSP 4.2 or 5?
11:48	<lizk12> K12Ltsp Fedora 6
11:48	<Gadi> hmm...
11:48	well, tr: SCREEN_02 = shell
11:48	then reboot terminal
11:48	and hit ctrl-alt-f2
11:49	<lizk12> thanks I'll try that
11:49	<Gadi> then type: lspci
11:49	and you'll see info about the graphics card
11:49	<lizk12> Great
11:50	<Gadi> worse comes to worst, you can always specify: XSERVER = vesa
11:50	in lts.conf
11:50	but you wont get the best video
11:51	<lizk12> Right
11:56	<erdinc> cliebow yes it works with 2.6.16
11:57	noway out this week I'll start to implement ltsp5.0
11:57	thanx for all
11:57	* erdinc bye aLL..
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12:02	<vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search values
12:02	<ltspbot> vagrantc: No keys matched that query.
12:02	<vagrantc> !topics
12:02	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
12:02	<vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
12:02	<ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', 'ltsp5', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'you are wonderful', 'love', and 'monkey'
12:03	<vagrantc> ltspbot: learn bootfloppy as http://etherboot.anadex.de
12:03	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
12:03	<Gadi> good idea
12:04	<vagrantc> Gadi: what's the k12 one you mentioned?
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12:04	<vagrantc> ltspbot: learn bootfloppy as http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
12:04	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
12:04	<Gadi> right
12:04	<vagrantc> i've used the one from etherboot.anadex.de
12:05	<Gadi> and I the other
12:05	* vagrantc 's has a much shorter URL
12:05	<Gadi> and more uptodate etherboot code
12:05	methinks
12:05	but always good to second-source
12:05	<vagrantc> it actually does the etherboot pxe emulatio
12:05	n
12:05	<Gadi> ah
12:05	so they do differ
12:06	<vagrantc> sure
12:06	both useful, i'm sure.
12:06	<Gadi> once upon a time I think I concocted a boot CDROM
12:06	now that floppies are dinosaurs
12:06	<vagrantc> yeah ... probably smart.
12:06	<Gadi> I would need to find it
12:07	<vagrantc> would be a nice thing to have on one of those little 40MB businesscard CDs
12:07	<Gadi> right. Buy symbio products - my number's on the card, and you can boot your old PC to my SBA with it too
12:07	;)
12:08	<vagrantc> heh.
12:08	<Gadi> vagrantc: you're such a businessman
12:08	:)
12:08	<vagrantc> Gadi: probably in everything but the economic sense :)
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12:09	<vagrantc> man, things are busy today on my day off and all the things i've put off doing all week are getting put off... :)
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12:14	<cliebow> !sbalneav
12:14	<ltspbot> cliebow: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12:15	<cliebow> ltspbot learn cliebow is Macman
12:15	<ltspbot> cliebow: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
12:15	<cliebow> ltspbot learn cliebow as Macman
12:15	<ltspbot> cliebow: The operation succeeded.
12:15	<cliebow> heh
12:15	!cliebow
12:15	<ltspbot> cliebow: "cliebow" is Macman
12:15	<cliebow> Cool!
12:18	<pscheie> !sound
12:18	<ltspbot> pscheie: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
12:18	<pscheie> !wireless
12:18	<ltspbot> pscheie: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
12:19	<pscheie> !you are wonderful
12:19	<ltspbot> pscheie: "you are wonderful" is thanks
12:19	<pscheie> now that's just silly
12:19	<cliebow> !thanks
12:19	<pscheie> !monkey
12:19	<ltspbot> cliebow: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command.
12:19	pscheie: "monkey" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
12:19	<pscheie> !love
12:20	<ltspbot> pscheie: "love" is all there is
12:20	<Lumiere> ...
12:20	stop abusing the bot pls
12:20	<pscheie> sorry, just saw all those keys, wondered what they were
12:21	<Lumiere> ltspbot: forget monkey
12:21	<ltspbot> Lumiere: The operation succeeded.
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12:35	<cliebow> ltspbot: forget love
12:35	<ltspbot> cliebow: The operation succeeded.
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12:40	<vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
12:40	<ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', 'ltsp5', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'you are wonderful', 'bootfloppy', 'bootfloppy', and 'cliebow'
12:40	<vagrantc> ltspbot: forget you are wonderful
12:40	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
12:41	<vagrantc> !localdev
12:41	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
12:41	<vagrantc> !ltsp5
12:41	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "ltsp5" is (#1) The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. Find out more on wiki.ltsp.org, or (#2) ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
12:41	<vagrantc> forget ltsp5
12:41	ltspbot: forget ltsp5
12:41	<ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
12:42	<Lumiere> ltspbot: forget ltsp5 *
12:42	<ltspbot> Lumiere: The operation succeeded.
12:42	<vagrantc> no.
12:42	oh well.
12:42	ltspbot: learn ltsp5 as ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
12:42	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
12:42	<Lumiere> easy enough to cut paste it
12:43	<vagrantc> !greyscreen
12:43	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is (#1) No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM, or (#2) No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
12:43	<vagrantc> ltspbot: forget greyscreen 1
12:43	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
12:43	<vagrantc> !greyscreen
12:43	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
12:43	<vagrantc> !grayscreen
12:43	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "grayscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM
12:44	<vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
12:44	<ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'bootfloppy', 'cliebow', and 'ltsp5'
12:44	<vagrantc> !bootfloppy
12:44	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is (#1) http://etherboot.anadex.de, or (#2) http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
12:44	<vagrantc> ltspbot: forget bootfloppy 1
12:44	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
12:44	<vagrantc> !bootfloppy
12:44	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
12:45	* vagrantc is done cleaning house for now
12:48	<Lumiere> yay
12:48	I do kinda wish there were a userlist for it
12:48	ChanServ sets mode: +o Lumiere
12:49	Lumiere sets mode: -o Lumiere
12:49	<Lumiere> good... chanserv's working again :)
13:21	<AMSmith42> "If you just want an easy installation of LTSP Ubuntu, you should use the Ubuntu supplied packages." Where?
13:22	<vagrantc> !ubuntuquick
13:22	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
13:22	<AMSmith42> Thank you much!
13:24	<cliebow> ltspbot forge5t cliebow
13:24	<ltspbot> cliebow: Error: "forge5t" is not a valid command.
13:24	<cliebow> ltspbot forget cliebow
13:24	<ltspbot> cliebow: The operation succeeded.
13:44	<cliebow> jammcq: i pawed arond a littl to find yor new tarballs without success..you have fresh links?
13:44	or sausage links?
13:45	<vagrantc> ltspbot: learn ltsptarball as http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
13:45	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
13:45	<cliebow> ood man!
13:48	That link off the main page yet??
13:48	<vagrantc> no idea ... it was in my history from when jammcq posted it
13:48	<jammcq> it's on the DownLoads page
13:48	* vagrantc finds ltspbot much more freindly than twiki
13:48	<jammcq> go to http://www.ltsp.org
13:48	click the 'Downloads' link
13:49	<cliebow> k..ought to hook to wiki too huh..easily i mean
13:50	that works nicely
13:51	Ahhh: "the other wiki":
13:51	<jammcq> yeah, it's really a wiki page, so it's no problem putting a link in the wiki
13:51	<cliebow> we need a "shameless commerce" division
13:53	<loca\|host> roll ball doesnt work on thin clients, how to configure for it ?
13:53	<jammcq> cliebow: we'll get to that, in the 3rd half of our show
13:54	<cliebow> 8~)
13:57	We should also date the pages..things are moving so quick it is hard to know if things are passe`
13:57	<jammcq> yeah
13:59	<cliebow> i see You Did that..
14:01	WHo knows anything about efi booting?
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14:06	<mrchicken> hello
14:07	I'm trying to get a diskless station running with an RTL8139
14:07	its boots ok up to a point where it keeps saying nfs: server 192.168.99.4 not responding, still trying
14:07	and then it says
14:07	nfs: server 192.168.99.4 OK
14:07	but nothing goes up
14:09	then I get Mar 12 14:08:18 ltsp rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws242.ltsp:962 for /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 (/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386)
14:12	<cliebow> mrchicken, distro?ltsp5?
14:12	<mrchicken> from my logs
14:12	FC4 LTSP4.2
14:13	<cliebow> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding.. dont suppose this will help?
14:13	rtl8139b? or d?
14:15	assuming you have /opt/ltsp-4.3 in /etc/exports
14:16	and showmount -e says it is exported
14:16	<jammcq> it's not /etc/exports
14:16	he's already past that point
14:16	now he's getting networking problems. i'm guessing he's got Gigabit in the server, and 100mbit in the client
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14:17	<ogra> jammcq, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-March/007075.html
14:17	* cliebow cliebow stores this in a pigeonhole..
14:17	<ogra> once that has built it should be the feisty release
14:17	unless i discover any evil things it wont change
14:18	<jammcq> you mean, it won't change between now and Apr release ?
14:18	<ogra> right
14:18	beta freeze is on thursady
14:18	<jammcq> but aren't there changes happening, like with Xorg ?
14:18	bug fixes and such
14:18	<ogra> after that only critical changes go in
14:18	<cliebow> and ppc you think will build ok in feisty
14:19	<ogra> i havent tried yet
14:19	but thats not as closely bound to the relkease schedule anymore
14:19	<cliebow> 8~)
14:19	<ogra> (the one advantage of a community port :) )
14:19	<cliebow> just trying to keep a handle on the moment
14:19	<jammcq> ogra: what's your thoughts on improvements for feisty+1 ?
14:20	<ogra> well, a lot of the feisty ones are still waiting for impolementation
14:20	<cliebow> pulse in there now?
14:20	<jammcq> yeah, I figured network-auth, local-apps
14:20	and i'd like to see boot time sped up a bit more
14:20	<ogra> pulse is default now in ubuntu
14:21	as well as a enormous speedup for ltsp-client-setup
14:21	i.e. boottimes on very low end HW are reasonable now ... i just added a patch that speeds up a lot
14:21	but that only helps on low end HW
14:21	ldm should get an overhaul in feisty+1
14:22	i already have written a lot of the new cairo gui, but that still needs impürovement and is far from being complete
14:22	<jammcq> ogra: should I be able to go into my /opt/ltsp/ubuntu_feisty_i386 directory, and do a 'apt-get upgrade' ?
14:22	with chroot, that is
14:22	<ogra> sure
14:22	<jammcq> ok, i'll do that, and publish a new tarball
14:23	<ogra> well, not sure you get changes like pulse ...
14:23	<jammcq> why wouldn't I ?
14:23	<mrchicken> cliebow ... b
14:23	<ogra> since we dont have the ubuntu-thin-client metapackage yet
14:23	* mrchicken has 100mbit everywhere
14:23	<ogra> there is nothing that forces a replacement of esound
14:23	<jammcq> oh
14:23	for the server or the client?
14:23	<ogra> esd fulfills the dependency for ltsp-client
14:23	<mrchicken> both
14:23	<ogra> on the client side
14:24	<vagrantc> so ... apt-get install pulseaudio ; apt-get remove esound ; apt-get upgrade
14:24	<ogra> the server side has a strict dependency on all the pulse stuff in ubuntu
14:24	<jammcq> ogra: ok, what if I start with running ltsp-build-client, which one will it get, esd or pulse ?
14:24	<ogra> right, what vagrantc says
14:24	* kaminski-ltsp-br is away: HOME
14:24	<ogra> pulse only
14:24	<mrchicken> uhhhh hello?
14:24	<ogra> the above applied only to dist-upgrade in the chroot
14:25	<jammcq> mrchicken: did you look at that wiki page that chuck posted for you?
14:25	ogra: so if I do a 'dist-upgrade' will that fix it?
14:26	<ogra> jammcq, no
14:26	you will keep esd
14:26	unless you anually switch like vagrantc pointed out
14:26	<vagrantc> every year? :)
14:26	* vagrantc hands ogra an m
14:26	<ogra> heh
14:26	g
14:26	* ogra blushes
14:27	<ogra> or yozu have a metapackage like ubuntu-desktop that cares for these replacements
14:27	<jammcq> ah, but there's no 'thinclient' metapackage
14:27	so, on my feisty laptop, I should be ok, right?
14:28	<ogra> right
14:28	<jammcq> awesome
14:28	<ogra> i added pulse very early...
14:28	only people that used herd1 or 2 will be affected
14:29	but for such people i'd anyway suggest to rebuild the client ... way less hassle than fixing half broken stuff :)
14:29	<jammcq> what's the current herd number?
14:29	<ogra> herd5 was released last week
14:29	beta is planned for this week
14:29	<jammcq> ok, i'm using herd4 + updates
14:29	<ogra> 5 should be the last one
14:30	<mrchicken> Hey, I just followed all the steps in http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/aix/aixbman/commadmn/nfs_problem.htm
14:30	<ogra> well, for the tarball you really should do a fresh ltsp-build-client
14:30	<jammcq> this is the first time that i've worked with ubuntu pre-releases, and i'm quite happy with it
14:30	<mrchicken> and they went ok
14:30	but I'm stll getting the same errors
14:30	its not like it doesnt load
14:30	its just like it keeps trying for ages
14:30	<jammcq> mrchicken: did you follow the link that cliebow pasted?
14:30	<ogra> thanks :) so you didnt stumble over all my breakages i introduced :)
14:30	<mrchicken> Yes sir
14:30	<jammcq> does that fit your situation?
14:31	<mrchicken> yes
14:31	the error i'm getting is NFS server hostname not responding, still trying
14:31	<jammcq> what did you do, to fix it?
14:31	<mrchicken> so I followed the steps
14:31	checked the nfs services
14:31	and they are up
14:31	<jammcq> what did you do, to fix it?
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14:31	<mrchicken> I havent fixed it!!
14:31	<jammcq> did you make any changes?
14:32	<mrchicken> I added some kernel params to the dhcpd.conf
14:32	since its going via etherboot
14:32	<jammcq> what did you add?
14:32	paste your dhcpd.conf file to http://pastebot.ltsp.org plz
14:33	<ltsppbot> "MrChicken" pasted "NFS server hostname not responding, still trying" (37 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/47
14:35	<jammcq> mrchicken: that's it? you didn't following this doc, did you:
14:35	http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
14:35	read that doc, especially the part about 'MOPTS='
14:37	<mrchicken> yeah just did...
14:37	same error
14:37	<jammcq> you changed option-129 ?
14:38	<mrchicken> yes sir
14:38	look
14:38	<ogra> jammcq, isnt MOPTS exclusively for PXE ?
14:38	<jammcq> nope
14:38	<ltsppbot> "MrChicken" pasted "Nothing still =(" (35 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/48
14:38	<ogra> oh207, i always thoght so
14:38	<vagrantc> module options, i thought.
14:39	<ogra> not mount options ?
14:39	<jammcq> 'MOUNT options'
14:39	<mrchicken> ??
14:39	<jammcq> mrchicken: I have a hunch that option-129 was being ignored. you had NIC=ne, and that would NEVER work on a rtl8139
14:39	* vagrantc shouldn't make comments about ltsp 4.x
14:40	<mrchicken> so what should I do?
14:40	(other than cry)
14:41	<ogra> use the right module name for a start
14:41	<jammcq> welp, I see that your option-128 and option-129 are OUTSIDE of the subnet { } stanza
14:41	i'd try putting those lines inside
14:41	ogra: with a PCI nic, he shouldn't need the module name.
14:41	<ogra> ah, k
14:41	<jammcq> shouldn't
14:41	<ogra> heh
14:42	<jammcq> sometimes, tho it's needed, if we don't have that nic in our niclist file, but rtl8139's have been around for a long time
14:42	hmm, wait a sec
14:42	mrchicken: you using ETHERBOOT or PXE ?
14:42	<mrchicken> etherboot
14:42	from rom -o-matic
14:43	<jammcq> you must be using a fairly new Etherboot that does PXE support
14:43	that's where things get confusing
14:43	because you are loading 'pxelinux.0', which means you are really using PXE
14:43	<mrchicken> i'm using the latest version of rom o matic
14:43	<jammcq> so that means you need to edit pxelinux.cfg/default, to include the 'MOPTS=.....' line
14:43	it's not using option-128 or 129 at all
14:43	<mrchicken> oh
14:44	<jammcq> the fact that Etherboot now supports PXE makes things confusing
14:44	<vagrantc> it's simpler.
14:44	<jammcq> well, just a bit
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14:44	<mrchicken> prompt 0
14:44	label linux
14:44	kernel bzImage-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
14:44	append rw root=/dev/ram0 initrd=initramfs.gz
14:44	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hey
14:44	<jammcq> the problem is, there's thousands of thin clients and network cards floating around with the older Etherboot
14:44	* vagrantc would rather only have to configure for one environment instead of two
14:45	<vagrantc> so we have to support both anyways ...
14:45	<jammcq> yep
14:45	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have problems with ltsp-4.2
14:45	when users insert they flash pendrvies
14:45	sometimes
14:45	the flash appears with nothing inside
14:45	and when are inserted into windows box
14:45	<jammcq> mrchicken: read the part of that wiki page that shows how to do with for PXE
14:45	<vagrantc> mrchicken: is this a single thin-client thats having a problem, or all of them?
14:47	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> not appears nothings
14:47	so ltsp is deleting all of the flash
14:47	<mrchicken> all
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14:47	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: no, it's not doing that
14:48	there's nothing in LTSP that would cause it to delete the contents of your flash drive
14:48	<mrchicken> actually one keeps saying something about eth0 timing out
14:49	great looks like that problem is fixed :)
14:49	now I have another Q :$:$
14:49	<jammcq> that did it ?
14:49	<mrchicken> Yes sir
14:49	how the hell can I make ltsp autodetect if I'm using ps/2 mouse or serial?
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14:50	<jammcq> hmm, ltsp-4.2 doesn't detect that
14:50	if you have serial, you have to set it specifically in lts.conf
14:51	<mrchicken> thing is some have serial and some have ps2
14:51	would it hurt to put them both?
14:52	<ogra> the thing is that ou cant autodetect serial mice
14:52	*you
14:52	<jammcq> mrchicken: yes, it hurts to specify serial, when you don't have one. the Xserver will block, trying to initialize the mouse
14:52	<ogra> unless you have user interaction and as the user to move the mouse ... which is far from "auto"
14:53	<mrchicken> it would work
14:53	<ogra> jammcq, not in ubuntu with inuptattach ...
14:53	it should just gracefully fail
14:53	<mrchicken> I can tell ppl to move the mouse when it boots
14:53	<ogra> mrchicken, but we wouldnt ...
14:53	<mrchicken> hehehehehe
14:53	<ogra> its not autodetection .. and not really autodetectable
14:54	<mrchicken> or how can I specify the hosts that have serial mice?
14:54	<jammcq> in lts.conf
14:54	<mrchicken> [wsxxx]
14:54	mice=/dev/mouse
14:54	?
14:54	<jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
14:55	<mrchicken> I'm gonna have to send you some coffee when I'm done with this jammcq
14:55	u like coffee?
14:55	<jammcq> nope
14:55	Diet Pepsi is the official beverage of jammcq
14:56	<ogra> jammcq, the big advantage of inputattach is that it binds the serial port to /dev/input/mice ... if serial fails, X will fall back to ps2
14:56	<jammcq> cool
14:56	<ogra> we have that since dapper :)
14:56	<jammcq> is that a X thing?
14:56	hmm
14:56	<ogra> well, its a kernel/device thing ...
14:57	Xorg is dumb and will just use whatever it finds on /dev/input/mice
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14:59	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hey
14:59	the flashes
14:59	is blanking!
14:59	after to insert
15:00	i c with my eyes
15:00	some users has lose the thesis of work of years
15:00	have problem with that
15:00	1 cause to my upgrade of ltsp5 is this
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15:01	<dan__t> yoooooo
15:01	<ogra> there is no difference in that area in ltsp5 ... the ltspfs code is identical, just the communication between serer and client is completely differet in 5
15:01	*server
15:02	but not the way data gets transferred
15:02	<jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: LTSP does NOT erase flash drives
15:02	it doesn't format them either
15:02	<mrchicken> jammcq ... ok now the weirdest thing happens :$
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15:02	<mrchicken> I only get the X server, but no manager
15:02	<dan__t> Should I consider LTSP5?
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15:03	<jammcq> !grayscreen
15:03	<ltspbot> jammcq: "grayscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM
15:03	<jammcq> there it is
15:03	go read that article
15:04	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uff.. anyway
15:04	i try to upgrade to 5
15:05	to not have this problems ....
15:05	<mrchicken> jammcq ... u sure u dislike coffee? Colombian coffee, not any other horrid tasting shit
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15:05	<jammcq> mrchicken: yeah, pretty sure
15:05	<McDutchie> Is it possible/feasible at this point to run LTSP5 (MueKow) under Slackware 11.0, and if so, would it be a wise decision to upgrade from LTSP 4.2?
15:06	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> jammcq: other problem i have
15:06	is i have 15 client
15:06	<mrchicken> jammcq ... damn then i'm gonna have to find a truckload of diet-pepsi
15:06	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> and always 1 or 2 not can logged
15:06	i need to reboot the server always
15:06	:(
15:07	<AMSmith42> How do I restart the dhcp server?
15:07	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart ?
15:07	<AMSmith42> Thank you.
15:07	<jammcq> McDutchie: take a look at this wiki article. pay special attention to the part about understanding the administration of things like TFTP, DHCP, NFS ....
15:07	http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
15:08	<McDutchie> Thanks, jammcq -- appreciated.
15:08	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ahhhh
15:08	at last
15:08	the how to from sources
15:09	al fin soltaron mrchicken
15:09	lo de la instalacion por fuentes vistes?
15:10	<vagrantc> !ltsptarball
15:10	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "ltsptarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
15:10	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> mrchicken: aunque ya resolvi .. aqui me dijeron lo del problema de nfs
15:10	era sin ip el root-path
15:10	<jammcq> vagrantc: how about setting just 'tarball' too
15:11	<AMSmith42> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: No go. dhcpd is not in that directory.
15:11	<vagrantc> jammcq: go for it
15:11	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what distro u use?
15:11	<AMSmith42> ubuntu
15:11	<vagrantc> jammcq: though, unless there's a way to make aliases, we should stick with one or the other, i think.
15:11	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> cd /etc/init.d/
15:11	<AMSmith42> Thank you.
15:11	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> check if u have some dhcp there
15:11	<vagrantc> ltspbot: learn tarball as http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
15:11	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
15:12	<vagrantc> ltspbot: forget ltsptarball
15:12	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
15:12	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what version of bot is ltspbot?
15:13	<AMSmith42> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: There is a dhcp3-server. It is not recognized as a command.
15:13	<ogra> AMSmith42, dhcpd is deprecated since ages, you want dhcp3-server
15:13	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ctcp version not response
15:14	<AMSmith42> ogra: It still doesn't want to run dhcp3-server
15:15	<ogra> AMSmith42, how did you install ltsp ? did you follow the QuickInstall guide from the ubuntu wiki ?
15:15	<AMSmith42> Yes.
15:15	When I built the client, it errored out with a connection reset. I did it again and it went through.
15:16	<ogra> and you have an iterface with static IP you can use for the dhcp server ?
15:16	<AMSmith42> Yes. It is static.
15:16	<ogra> did you clean up before you started the second time ?
15:16	<AMSmith42> Uh, no.
15:16	<ogra> i.e. sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
15:16	<AMSmith42> I do that now.
15:16	<ogra> you should do that ...
15:16	<AMSmith42> hehehe
15:16	<cliebow> ogra:that white palantir emac has an nv chipset
15:16	<ogra> but still, thats not what your problem is
15:17	cliebow, well, should work ... for all instances of "doesnt work" please mail nvidia :)
15:17	<cliebow> No NO Not that fate..
15:18	<ogra> well ... did you try with XSERVER=nv ? even tough it should be detected right ....
15:18	<AMSmith42> After I rm, should I rebuild the client?
15:18	<ogra> yes
15:18	<cliebow> i read xorg.0.og it is pretty close
15:19	<ogra> AMSmith42, but thats not your problem ... make sure the static interface IP and the range set in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf are from the same subnet, else dhcp3-server will not start
15:19	it looks for at least one matching interface for the config it has
15:19	<cliebow> pretty elegant setup you have created...Screen_02=shell put me right in there..lspci spit out the pci id..dpackage-reconfigure built a new xorg.conf..
15:20	i see the default syncs are low..so there is some tweaking there
15:20	<McDutchie> jammcq: hmm... I'm reading http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp - is anyone working on integrating LTSP5 with Slackware yet?
15:20	<ogra> McDutchie, nope
15:20	feel free :)
15:20	<McDutchie> ogra: I just might. :)
15:21	<jammcq> McDutchie: not that I know of
15:21	<AMSmith42> ogra: Will do. Thanks.
15:21	<McDutchie> ok
15:23	<ogra> by the amount of requests we get in this channel, i'd even think slackware has a higher demand for ltsp5 than suse :)
15:24	<jammcq> yeah
15:24	funny thing.... I'd rather work with the Slackware guys too :)
15:24	<ogra> even though slackware might be the trickiest to implement it
15:25	<McDutchie> ogra: how so?
15:25	<ogra> no package management like the others ?
15:25	<McDutchie> jammcq: how are Slackware guys better to work with then? :)
15:25	ogra: oh, it has package management allright - just not dependency resolution.
15:25	...which we tend to see as an advantage. ;)
15:26	<ogra> right, dependencies are the important point :)
15:26	<McDutchie> also packages tend to be complete - no separation in -dev, -shlibs, etc
15:26	<ogra> you will need to handle that part in ltsp-build-client
15:26	<McDutchie> oh
15:26	it depends on dependencies? oops. :)
15:26	<ogra> then your client chroot might as well get huge
15:27	(if you install all doc, dev ad shlibs files)
15:27	*and
15:27	<McDutchie> ogra: nah... rm -rf /usr/doc /usr/man /usr/include /usr/lib/*.a - done :)
15:27	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> brb
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15:28	<ogra> no, it doesnt "depend on dependencies" but without deps you need to write the scripts in a way to make sure they are bulletproof and you still have all dependant packages installed
15:28	<McDutchie> ogra: okay
15:28	* McDutchie will need to familiarize himself, having no experience with ltsp5
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15:29	<ogra> so the effort is a good amount bigger than in distros where you just rely on a packge management
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15:32	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> re
15:32	continius have problem with my X
15:32	in the client
15:32	* McDutchie notices the ltsp-utils for Slackware getting 5-10 downloads per day.
15:36	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> can i remove all /opt/ltsp/
15:36	right?
15:37	and start again the server from tar.gz of 5
15:37	by the wiki?
15:37	!ltspsources
15:37	<ltspbot> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: Error: "ltspsources" is not a valid command.
15:38	<ogra> the tar.gz is a binary blob ... no sources
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15:39	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i have this
15:39	bzip2 ltsp_debian_etch_i386-1.tar.bz2 146554Kb
15:39	where is the !ltsp5wiki url
15:40	<jammcq> !tarball
15:40	<ltspbot> jammcq: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
15:40	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah
15:40	right
15:40	ok
15:40	remove then /opt/ltsp/
15:40	to start again
15:40	uff
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15:45	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> the start dir is
15:45	ltsp/debian_etch_i386/ of tar.bz2
15:46	<jammcq> yep
15:46	so adjust your root-path in dhcpd.conf to point to /opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386
15:47	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> nice
15:47	let c.. i read the wiki
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15:48	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> you mean this option root-path "/opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386/"
15:49	<jammcq> that would be the one
15:50	<mrchicken> sh3mh4mf0r4sh ... al fin pudiste con ltsp?
15:50	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhmm ahora borre lo que tenia
15:50	para poder ehcar andar el del tar.bz2
15:50	pq el grafico no me arancaba
15:50	esta cosa no es tan quick easy como dicen
15:50	<mrchicken> y pq el 5?
15:50	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> pq le faltaroncosas
15:50	a la laptop no arrancaba con solo lo que decian
15:51	<mrchicken> y el 4.2 no te sirve?
15:51	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> mrchicken: pq la flash se me estan borrando en la sala de navegacion
15:51	la 4.2 algunas flash me las reconoce
15:51	otras sistema de ficheros de la flash no las reconoces
15:51	y otras me lasborra
15:51	mucha gente se han quejado
15:51	porque se les borra los trabajos las tesis
15:51	y es una crisis ahora
15:51	estan sin utilizar los pendrives :(
15:51	<mrchicken> que raro
15:51	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ando probando el 5
15:51	pa ver si eso no pasa
15:51	ademas de que e 15 clientes
15:51	se me quedan SIN loguear 1 o 2 diarias
15:52	no le dan la gana de entrar
15:52	otros dias si entra otros dias no
15:52	y asi asi asi asi :S
15:52	la teoria esta muy bonita pero la practica experimentada es la que esta en candela.. socio
15:52	<mrchicken> creo que ltsp tiene vida y te odia con pasion
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15:58	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> not understend the 9 step
15:58	* efra_away is away: I'm out to lunch \| Sali a comer
15:58	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> of 5
15:58	jammcq: what meas /etc/exports
15:58	change
15:58	?
15:58	mean*
15:58	<mrchicken> well it means you should edit /etc/exports
15:58	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> and?
15:59	redirect the path i guess
15:59	oh no. okok
15:59	<vagrantc> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: what do you have in /etc/exports?
15:59	might not need to change it if it's just /opt/ltsp
16:00	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> /opt/ltsp 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
16:00	/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
16:00	~exactly
16:00	i read.. just "sure" stay
16:00	<vagrantc> and is it installed to /opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386 or something?
16:00	<ogra> well, if oyu unpacked the tarball to /opt that should be fine then
16:00	<vagrantc> if so, you're fine.
16:06	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yup
16:07	so left me reboot again the laptop to see if start with this new options
16:07	look
16:07	don't have lts.conf in /chroot/etc
16:08	<ogra> ltsp5 doesnt need it
16:08	only use lts.conf if you want to override any of the autodetection
16:08	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
16:08	dhcp not response
16:09	<ogra> or to enable sound (dunno how the status for local device support in etch is now, i think you need to install pieces manually)
16:09	<vagrantc> ogra: as much as i hate to... i wonder if we shouldn't put a dummy lts.conf in place ...
16:09	<ogra> vagrantc, i just did ;)
16:09	https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-March/007075.html
16:09	<vagrantc> ltspfs is only in sid, but it should work
16:10	<ogra> yu should have a look at the debconf communicate stuff btw ... its slick and fast :)
16:10	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> dhcp not response!
16:10	<vagrantc> ogra: oh really? :)
16:10	<ogra> vagrantc, he just stacks up all values in one big variable and only calls debconf-communicate once
16:11	<vagrantc> ogra: nice!
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16:11	<ogra> its enormous how that speeds up boot on low end clients
16:11	<edgarin> Hi people
16:11	I have a big problem with a terminal..
16:11	:S
16:11	<vagrantc> ogra: i was thinking of generating a debconf-set-selections file and calling once ... but that sounds nicer.
16:11	<edgarin> vagrantc: Hi!
16:11	<vagrantc> edgarin: hi!
16:12	<edgarin> vagrantc, how are you?=
16:12	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok now yes
16:12	<vagrantc> edgarin: too busy! :)
16:12	<edgarin> :(
16:12	people.... I have a terminal, this terminal have serious problems with the keyboard
16:12	<vagrantc> eeyk. i need to leave really soon.
16:12	<edgarin> when i push a key
16:13	for example the "k"
16:13	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> well.. not have X
16:13	laptop client boot ok
16:13	<edgarin> the terminal show several k
16:13	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> but not have Xserver
16:13	<edgarin> "kkkkkkk"
16:13	<vagrantc> edgarin: i haven't seen that one for a long time ...
16:14	* edgarin se pregunta si hay alguien que hable español?
16:14	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> si
16:14	claro
16:14	<Gadi> edgarin: try passing "acpi=off apm=off" as kernel params
16:14	<edgarin> ok
16:15	in the dhcpd.conf right?
16:15	<Gadi> PXE? or Etherboot?
16:15	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> jammcq: vagrantc Gadi not start the X server
16:18	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: es mas facil para usted hablar en espanol?
16:19	<jammcq> Gadi: show off
16:19	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: claro!!! si soy cubano ..
16:19	Gadi: no me vengas a decir que tu hablas espanol a estas alturas!!! :o
16:19	<Gadi> yo prefero a tratar mi pobresita lengua mas que estaba confundido en ingles
16:20	yo hablo espanol como un gringo en el subway
16:20	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> a mi me da igual pero me es ams facil leerte tratando de hablar espanol a que yo me mate inventando un ingles
16:20	<Gadi> no como un cubano ;)
16:20	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> en fin .. la X no me trabaja
16:20	<Gadi> si lo consco
16:21	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> que hago? a quien mato! :)
16:21	<Gadi> pero necesitamos decubrir el "root" del problema
16:21	:)
16:21	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> que quieres saber
16:21	fui paso a paso
16:21	ahora estoy probando con otra pc
16:21	no una laptop
16:21	<Gadi> ok. cual es el eror ahora
16:21	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> para que no sea problema de ella
16:21	<yanu> die mannen klappen raar he
16:21	;)
16:22	<Gadi> ah - si es un problema si los condiciones cambian cada minuto
16:22	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> bueno de entrada la pc no levanta se queda el dhcp en time out
16:22	<Gadi> ;)
16:22	si ves en /var/log/syslog, tienes lineas del DHCPDISCOVER?
16:23	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> a veces
16:23	a veces no
16:23	<Gadi> heh
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16:23	<Gadi> tail -f /var/log syslog
16:23	er, /var/log/syslog
16:23	y reboot el PC
16:23	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ya ya esta arrancando
16:23	<Gadi> hmm... i guess that means rebooting
16:24	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> deja ver si en esta levanta la X
16:24	que es igual a la server en respecto a motherboard
16:24	<Gadi> ok. ahora, tenemos la problema que no reponda a DHCP, corecto?
16:25	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> sabes que?
16:25	la X levanto
16:25	es prob de la laptop
16:25	parece
16:25	<Gadi> oy
16:25	makes me wish I knew Ladino
16:25	:)
16:26	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> jejeje
16:26	<Gadi> ok. ahora hay otras problemas concretas?
16:27	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> bueno dentro
16:27	se loguea
16:27	<Gadi> o todas que puedan funcionar funcionan
16:27	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> pero no saca aun el escritorio
16:27	me deja poner
16:27	ALT+F2
16:27	para ejecutar pero solamentese ve el fondo del escritorio
16:27	(por cierto tiene un login bastante simple) :)
16:27	nada mas tengo el fondo y el mouse :\|
16:28	<Gadi> ok - no keyboard, right?
16:28	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> si el teclado responde
16:28	el mouse tambien
16:28	* Gadi didn't learn computers and spanish at the same time ;)
16:28	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> de echo el clic derecho del mouse saca la ventana del menu
16:29	<Gadi> ah
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16:29	<Gadi> pienso que posiblemente tienes el MOUSE PROTOL oncorrecto?
16:29	er, PROTOCOL
16:29	<mistik1> el Gadi
16:29	<Gadi> mistik1!
16:29	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> que hago entonces?
16:29	donde toco
16:30	<Gadi> hows ur spanish?
16:30	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> porque uds dicen que lts.conf no hace falta
16:30	* mistik1 no habla espanol
16:30	<Gadi> hmm... un momento
16:31	<mistik1> Google translation tools is your friend
16:31	<Gadi> primero, es verdad: cuando muevas el raton, es igual como si haces un clic?
16:31	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> probare el navegador con ALT+F2 a ver que tanto demora en ejecutarse porque el manager del desktop sigue mareado
16:31	si si .. funciona normal
16:31	pero falta el menu de arriba del gnomed
16:31	y la parte de abajo del panel
16:31	<Gadi> oh...
16:31	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> + lo siconos
16:31	de la PC y esas cosas
16:33	<Gadi> ok...
16:33	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ahhhhhhhh
16:33	ya se veeeeee
16:33	jajaj el problema es que cuando muevo el mouse
16:33	se me arrastra la pantalla
16:33	es como si el tamanno de la pantalla sea mas grande que el monitor
16:33	ya se ve el menu
16:33	:o
16:34	necesito setear entonces el 1024 x 768
16:34	para que se me ajuste...
16:34	ya me extrannaba que todo funcionara pero no se viera jajajajja
16:35	<Gadi> yeah, thats an xorg.conf thing
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16:35	<Gadi> depends on monitor and video card
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16:35	<Gadi> you might try a lower resolution: X_MODE_0 = "800x600"
16:35	or some such
16:36	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> where i set that?
16:36	<Gadi> lts.conf
16:36	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: r u rest of spanish..
16:36	ok
16:36	<Gadi> heh
16:36	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> make a new file then if not exist right
16:36	<Gadi> no, per es mejor para que no confundes
16:36	correcto
16:36	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: now need test my flashs with problems in 4.2 not see if this 5 can see now
16:37	<Gadi> lol
16:37	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> and... need activate again.. the local devices to test floppys cdrooms and flashes (standars & the problematicsflashes)
16:38	where i see to activate the local device?
16:38	wherer i read?
16:38	like 4.2?
16:38	install fuse and bla bla bla?
16:38	<Gadi> in lts.conf just LOCAL_STORAGE = Y (iirc)
16:40	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> floppy and cdrom?
16:40	is the same ?
16:40	<Gadi> yup
16:40	all udev these days
16:40	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> cool
16:40	now have to make my new wiki at spanish with all these steps..
16:40	and problems.. to how can fix
16:40	<Gadi> heh
16:40	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> to other cuban ;)
16:41	i made 1 for 4.2
16:41	<Gadi> y gringos
16:41	:)
16:42	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: gracias por la charla en espanol. por lo menos me duele menos la cabeza de tanto tratar de hablar ingles con uds
16:43	<Gadi> es por nuestros por que se inventa el aspirin
16:45	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: te recfitico pa que aprendas hablar mejor depaso
16:45	jeje
16:45	17:33 < Gadi> es por nuestros por que se inventa el aspirin <- " es por nosotros que se inventa la aspirina "
16:45	;)
16:45	<Gadi> ah
16:45	see?
16:45	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ya se ve 600x600
16:45	ops 800x600
16:46	ahora probare los medios storages
16:46	<Gadi> I took spanish some 14 years ago
16:46	:)
16:46	<dan__t> hi.
16:47	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uff long time
16:47	Gadi: i plug on my flash
16:47	not appear at desktop
16:47	kernel recognize
16:47	floppy not appears either like 4.2
16:47	<Gadi> lsmod\|grep fuse
16:48	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> no sale nada
16:48	<Gadi> y: apt-get install ltspfs
16:48	<ogra> Gadi, its LOCALDEV=True in ltsp5 ...
16:48	<Gadi> ah: sudo modprobe fuse
16:48	ogra: ah
16:48	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> reinicio opensource:~# modprobe fuse
16:48	opensource:~# lsmod \| grep fuse
16:48	fuse 39828 0
16:48	<ogra> (which i should fix to accept LOCAL_STORAGE as well before feisty i guess)
16:48	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah debo cambiar tambien a TRUE
16:49	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: ogra likes True/False
16:49	he's quite boolean
16:49	:)
16:49	<ogra> Gadi, well, feisty doesnt care :)
16:49	<Gadi> jammcq is more agreeable
16:49	<ogra> you can use Y,yes,y,YES or True and true
16:50	<Gadi> fortunately no one as yet has been binary
16:50	why not: yEs
16:50	?
16:50	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> bueno ahora prende el LED del flash como quelo reconocio pero sigue sin aparecer en el desktop
16:50	<jammcq> 0\|1
16:50	<Gadi> jammcq: 0110011 0011 0111 01101
16:51	I should actually take that kind of language to #ltsp-binary
16:51	;)
16:51	<jammcq> heh
16:51	knucklehead
16:51	<Gadi> if I'm the knucklehead, ur the little-endian
16:51	;)
16:52	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Gadi: read ^
16:52	<Gadi> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: sudo apt-get install ltspfs
16:52	on the server
16:52	oh, and hopefully you are using the ldm, yes?
16:52	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> opensource:~# apt-get install ltspfs
16:53	Reading package lists... Done
16:53	Building dependency tree... Done
16:53	E: Couldn't find package ltspfs
16:53	<Gadi> hmm
16:53	donde esta el vagrantc?
16:53	efra_away is now known as efra
16:53	* efra is back (gone 00:55:26)
16:53	<Gadi> !vagrantc
16:53	<ltspbot> Gadi: Error: "vagrantc" is not a valid command.
16:53	<Gadi> !seen vagrantc
16:53	<ltspbot> Gadi: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 39 minutes and 55 seconds ago: <vagrantc> edgarin: i haven't seen that one for a long time ...
16:53	<Gadi> el crapo!
16:54	vagrantc es nuestro autoridad sobre ltsp5 en debian
16:54	hmm...
16:54	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uff
16:54	bueno gracias entonces
16:54	me ire por hoy
16:54	ya adelante bastante con esto
16:54	nada mas me falta probar los medios de almacenamiento
16:55	<Gadi> okey dokey
16:55	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> para entonces cambiar el server por mi pc
16:55	<Gadi> er, okeyo dokeyo ;)
16:55	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> para upgradear sin parar la sala de navegacion
16:55	saludos a todos!
16:55	thanxs a lot
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16:56	* Gadi should have taken french
16:56	<ogra> italina ftw
16:56	*italian ...
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16:56	<ogra> you just scatter some i's over the words and are done
16:58	<Gadi> heh
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17:23	<cliebow_> i resmeble that knuclehead remark'
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17:36	<g333k_work> hi, I'm using ltsp 4.2, is it possible to know what client is idle and when it is idle for most of 5minutes to run some script ?
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18:41	<kaos01> g333k_work, why woudl you want to do that ?
18:42	how do you know if a user is not just been reading a web page for the last 5 minutes ?
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18:42	<g333k_work> kaos01, I want to close firefox when nobody is using the computer (client)
18:43	<kaos01> if no one is using the computer, usually they log out, which means firefox closes, no ?
18:44	<sahil> is there any way to get whatever donnie berkholz has done for gentoo and ltsp 5?
18:47	<g333k_work> kaos01, they manually log out... I want it automatically
18:48	kaos01, like a screensaver
18:48	kaos01, but I want to do a memory saver
18:48	RAM saver
18:49	<kaos01> how do you know ther is not someone sitting in fron t of the computer ?
18:49	just becasue its idel, doesnt mean no one is using it
18:49	somehow i dont think users would be to happy with your script :)
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18:51	<g333k_work> kaos01, load system?
18:52	<kaos01> what that ?
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19:22	<jammcq> ogra: ping
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19:36	<jammcq> ogra: there's some nastyness happening in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/010-mount-proc.
19:36	it tries to create a symlink with this:
19:36	chroot $ROOT ln -s /proc/self/fd /dev
19:36	but it already exists, and aborts the installation
19:37	hmm, just noticed there's some updates to ltsp-server, maybe that'll fix it
19:38	<cliebow_> jammcq: i posted on this
19:38	i have a fix
19:38	http://pastebot.ltsp.org/44
19:39	this ogra sent mr
19:48	<jammcq> cliebow_: yeah, I just did the apt-get upgrade on my server, and it's got a new 010-mount-proc, that appears to fix it
19:49	yep, looking at the paste, it's the same thing
19:54	<cliebow_> cool..
19:54	i helped someone with the same thing yesterday..i got a free beer out of it in te Lake district
19:54	<jammcq> heh, cool
19:55	<cliebow_> so it'll cost me oh 4 grand to collect..but im gonna do it
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20:11	<jammcq> ogra: ping
20:13	the ltsp-update-kernels needs to be more forgiving. it crapped out when it tried to create a symlink for yaboot
20:20	<g333k_work> hi is there some documentation to install ltsp 5 on debian?
20:23	!ltsp5
20:23	<ltspbot> g333k_work: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
20:26	<g333k_work> is there any documentation to intall ltsp5?
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20:31	<jammcq> g333k_work: there's the guy to ask
20:36	<g333k_work> vagrantc, where is the documentation for install ltsp5 on debian?
20:36	* vagrantc looks at toes
20:36	<vagrantc> !ubuntuquick
20:36	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
20:36	<vagrantc> try that
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21:03	<vagrantc> g333k_work: there really isn't a lot to it
21:04	but yes, contributions of documentation would be greatly appreciated.
21:05	<g333k_work> vagrantc, ok..... I'm reading the code
21:06	<vagrantc> g333k_work: i mean, there's some documentation in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server
21:06	g333k_work: i would start there before the code
21:06	<g333k_work> vagrantc, we have to write some documentation, because people is looking in the wiki, but theres only docs for ltsp 4
21:07	<vagrantc> here's a start: apt-get install ltsp-server ; ltsp-build-client ; configure dhcpd.conf ; configure /etc/exports
21:08	that pretty much covers a standard install.
21:08	<g333k_work> vagrantc, I installed ltsp-server-standalone
21:08	<vagrantc> with configure dhcpd.conf the hardest part.
21:09	yeah, the ltsp-server-standalone package pulls in dhcp3-server too
21:09	oh, and includes a single configuration file (that is not actually used by default)
21:09	<g333k_work> vagrantc, people doesnt know that... they are looking for the ltspadmin...
21:10	<vagrantc> g333k_work: well, you know about as much as i do now :P
21:10	except i can never remember how to log into wiki.ltsp.org
21:12	<g333k_work> vagrantc, lol, dont remember your password?
21:13	<vagrantc> g333k_work: i remember at least 30 passwords.
21:13	g333k_work: what's usually harder is figuring out which login
21:13	<g333k_work> vagrantc, use the same login for all of them
21:13	<vagrantc> and honestly, even when i do break that barrier, i find twiki really, really difficult to use.
21:14	* jammcq just can't understand that
21:14	<vagrantc> wiki.ltsp.org should support openid.
21:14	<g333k_work> vagrantc, :o
21:14	<jammcq> openid ?
21:14	<vagrantc> jammcq: it's very different from mediawiki or moinmoin, though i find both of those pretty difficult to use too.
21:14	jammcq: it's a single-sign on for web pages
21:14	<g333k_work> vagrantc, mediawiki is ok
21:14	<jammcq> hmm
21:15	<vagrantc> my favorite wiki at this point is ikiwiki
21:15	because you can just check out pages using a real revision control system.
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21:26	<g333k_work> gotta go home
21:38	<vagrantc> !integration
21:38	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
21:40	<vagrantc> jammcq: for example, i really don't understand why the init script explanations on the IntegratingLtsp page don't come up as a list.
21:40	jammcq: and remembering a URL off the top of my head with twiki is ... absolutely insane.
21:40	<jammcq> I'll agree with the URL comment
21:41	<vagrantc> but at some point i did save my login/password in my browser
21:41	but if i ever switch computers, it's hopeless.
21:42	<jammcq> the init list wasn't a bulleted list, cuz you need 3 spaces THEN a *
21:42	there was only 1 space preceding the *
21:42	<vagrantc> yeah, that's intuitive as hell :P
21:42	<jammcq> well, it is what it is
21:43	* vagrantc has already expressed opinions on it
21:44	<vagrantc> but i can hardly use it as an excuse, i haven't written some plain-text documentation or anything.
21:45	jammcq: so... i've been curious how much ltsp5 documentation should be on wiki.ltsp.org or for the debian version, wiki.debian.org ... and how they relate to one another
21:45	<jammcq> umm
21:46	good question
21:46	<vagrantc> because a debian-oriented user will want it on wiki.debian.org, most likely. an ltsp-oriented user will likely want it on wiki.ltsp.org
21:47	<jammcq> well, there should be general docs on wiki.ltsp.org, with pointers to debian's wiki
21:47	<vagrantc> yeah, that's probably the best way to go.
21:47	<jammcq> on the LTSP wiki, i'd like to have plenty of docs, explaining the theory, and how other distros can get involved. but the distro specific stuff should be on the distro wiki
21:48	* vagrantc creates wiki.debian.org/LTSP
21:48	<vagrantc> that can become the link that all the others point to
21:50	!ltsp5
21:50	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
21:51	<vagrantc> gah. what do i put here.
21:53	* vagrantc begins complaining about MoinMoin
21:53	* vagrantc and wiki just don't get along
22:03	<vagrantc> !debian
22:03	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org
22:04	<vagrantc> ltspbot: learn debian as is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for informationa about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
22:04	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
22:04	<vagrantc> ltspbot: learn debian as is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
22:04	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
22:04	<vagrantc> !debian
22:04	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is (#1) a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org, or (#2) is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for informationa about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP, or (#3) is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an (1 more message)
22:04	<vagrantc> ltspbot: forget debian 1 2
22:04	<ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: There is no such factoid.
22:04	<vagrantc> ltspbot: forget debian 1
22:04	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
22:05	<vagrantc> !debian
22:05	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is (#1) is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for informationa about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP, or (#2) is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see (1 more message)
22:05	<vagrantc> ltspbot: forget debian 1
22:05	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
22:05	<vagrantc> !debian
22:05	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
22:05	<vagrantc> also wrote up a quick http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
22:07	g333k_work: so take that!
22:08	* vagrantc searches where to reference it from wiki.ltsp.org
22:09	<jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads
22:09	there's one place
22:09	but.... you aren't allowed to edit that page
22:10	<vagrantc> well, good, i wasn't looking forward to it :)
22:10	<jammcq> I'll do it
22:11	there ya go
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22:43	<mrchicken> Hi, has anybody run ltsp over a vpn>
22:43	?
22:45	<vagrantc> i think so. it's not trivial to setup.
22:46	<mrchicken> I'm trying to do that
22:46	however I havent been able to get my VPN to assign me a DHCP address
22:49	maybe somebody could give me a hand
22:49	?
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23:05	<kmullen> Can anyone answer a ? about booting from LTSP over the Internet????
23:06	<vagrantc> it first requires asking a question in order to get an answer, generally :P
23:07	<kmullen> I want to ship thinclients to remote workers, have them hook up to their broadband connection, find the LTSP server and boot.
23:07	I know that's a statement not a question but I don't know where to start
23:08	<vagrantc> well, that's a very challenging prospect, the booting over the network part.
23:08	well, booting over broadband, anyways.
23:09	<kmullen> I've set up two small LTSP networks with thin clients, but they booted over the LAN. That was easy!
23:09	<vagrantc> more likely you'd just want to set up an NX or VNC server, and ship very simple fat clients which can connect to them.
23:09	kmullen: yes, well... booting over the broadband connection... that will likely not be so easy.
23:10	kmullen: but feel free to demonstrate otherwise :)
23:11	<kmullen> vagrantc: is this because of the size of the boot files?
23:11	<vagrantc> kmullen: and NFS being a real network hog
23:11	i mean, it's not so bad for a LAN...
23:12	but the latency will also be pretty brutal
23:12	<kmullen> vagrantc: Just on the boot, or during normal opeations?
23:13	<vagrantc> kmullen: booting might be so slow that it just times out
23:13	<kmullen> Got it. So use a fat client and run applications locally?
23:14	<vagrantc> well, you could still run applications on a central server via NX or VNC
23:15	<kmullen> We have a small call center and I want to have a low end box that we control. I want them to get their VoIP lines and web based apps from OUR server over SSL or VPN
23:15	<vagrantc> ambitious :)
23:16	i suspect the VoIP stuff would have to run locally.
23:16	<kmullen> I have 4 Internet Customers that work for @ home nursing companies that are currently doing this but I believe they are
23:16	using Windows terminal server
23:19	I guess I'll call disklessworkstations tomorrow and let them tell me how crazy I am.
23:19	<vagrantc> heh.
23:20	<kmullen> thanks for the chat, I'm out for the night.
23:20	* vagrantc should do the same
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