IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)


Channel log from 17 April 2017   (all times are UTC)

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04:32
<eu^19-100-201-12>
hie
04:32
is someone there
04:32
am i alone here?
04:33
il
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19:48
<quinox>
aren't we all alone here?
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19:55* alkisg_web has company... :)
20:10* vagrantc waves
20:56
<alkisg_web>
Hey vagrantc
21:27
<vagrantc>
i managed to get a proof of concept replacement for ltsp-build-client using propellor ...
21:27
but i think the dependencies for propellor are a bit steep
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and there were some uglinesses to setup i wasn't fond of
21:27
might be able to polish them away
21:33
<alkisg_web>
Isn't the basic idea there not to have any ltsp-related code for building chroots?
21:35
<vagrantc>
my idea was to have examples of how to build a chroot with various tools such as ansible, propellor, vmdebootstrap, etc.
21:35
any examples that are overly complicated would not be included :)
21:36
so it would have to be a short example ... e.g. build a chroot and install relevent package(s)
21:37
so far, i haven't found anything that really passed my idea of a simplicity test ... the ideal to me would look something like: apt install TOOL ; TOOL /opt/ltsp/i386 ltsp-client
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or thereabouts
21:38
<alkisg_web>
I would go with "apt install virtualbox; setup your favorite distro graphically; ltsp-update-image path/to/vdi"
21:38
<vagrantc>
sounds like a perfectly useful example
21:40
but i can see the use case for a sysadmin who just wants to ssh in and run some commandline program
21:40
<alkisg_web>
qemu-nbd can mount the first partition of a .vdi to /dev/nbd0, which can then be mounted ro to /mnt, and ltsp-update-image can work on that
21:40
<vagrantc>
we shouldn't *require* a graphical install
21:40* alkisg_web has done that numerous times, even exported the partition directly over nbd-server without ltsp-update-image
21:41
<alkisg_web>
If we can work with chroots and VMs, we don't require anything at all
21:41
They're just examples on how to maintain chroots and VMs, there's no LTSP related code there
21:42
<vagrantc>
which is why this is an idea of "documentation to replace the core functionality of ltsp-build-client"
21:42
<alkisg_web>
I totally agree with that idea
21:42
I'm not opposing to anything that you said
21:42
<vagrantc>
ok :)
21:43
<alkisg_web>
But I wouldn't put the "how to setup ubuntu in a VM" in the ltsp wiki; I would point to other wikis that have that
21:43
<vagrantc>
though i see some short configuration file for a build tool like propellor, or ansible, or whatever, as documentation
21:43
<alkisg_web>
I would only include the rest of the steps, "install ltsp-client in the VM, and run qemu-nbd to access the partition"
21:44
We could also have `ltsp-config xxx` directives for those
21:45
<vagrantc>
hmmmm...
21:46
<alkisg_web>
Anyways, personally I think I'll focus on internationalizing sch-scripts, if that part goes well, otherwise in implementing an ltspd draft
21:46
<vagrantc>
you could even have an ltsp-config option to mount an image, install ltsp-client, and then build the ltsp image out of it
21:46
yeah, sounds good
21:46
<alkisg_web>
That could be part of ltsp-update-image...
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<vagrantc>
if we could just download a distro live image as the base, and install some additional packages...
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<alkisg_web>
ltsp-update-image /path/to/ubuntu.vdi => could mount it, use an overlayfs, install ltsp-client, run mksquashfs... so that ubuntu.vdi wouldn't even need to have ltsp-client installed :D
21:47
<vagrantc>
it would need to know some standard live-image layouts
21:47
alkisg_web: exactly
21:48
i'd also like to be able to update an ltsp image from an existing ltsp image in that way
21:48
<alkisg_web>
Instead of using unsquashfs?
21:49
Sure, it wouldn't be very different from the previous scenario...
21:50
Pumpkin time! /me waves...
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