IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 January 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:45 | <csaba_> hello
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| 08:45 | I am looking for help on enabling quota on ltsp fat clients
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| 08:45 | I mean disk quota
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| 08:46 | <csaba_> it is installed enbled and working on the server but not working on the fat clients
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| 08:46 | when I type quota it just returns nothing
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| 08:46 | any help would be great
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| 08:55 | <csaba_> any ideas?
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| 08:57 | <cyberorg> csaba_, ltsp uses sshfs to mount user's folders, don't think it supports quota
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| 08:58 | <csaba_> pardon?
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| 08:58 | <cyberorg> if using nfs for /home then look up nfs docs for enabling quota for nfs
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| 08:59 | <csaba_> I am puzzled since I already managed quota for ltsp thin version but heaving problem with FAT
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| 09:00 | <cyberorg> thinclient session is running on the server, fat is local running on the client so it sees the filesystem as remotely mounted one
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| 09:01 | <csaba_> yes I understand that
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| 09:01 | so it must be then something with the server not providing info for the client?
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| 09:02 | <cyberorg> yes, for example look for nfs quota if you are using that to access folders from the server on the client
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| 09:04 | <csaba_> i found something about rpc.quotad
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| 09:05 | I guess it should be running on the server
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| 09:44 | <csaba_> hm, still heaving trouble with quota
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| 10:05 | <csaba_> i have checked that rpcinfo -p | grep rquotad
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| 10:06 | it returned fine so the rquatd is running but still can not get results in ltsp fat wit quota
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| 10:19 | <csaba_> there is something I do not understand
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| 10:19 | in ltsp fat
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| 10:20 | clients boot up fine, but when I try to get quota working on the fat client I found I need rquota
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| 10:21 | .... but when I run rpc.rquotad I get this : Warning: Cannot open export table /var/lib/nfs/etab:
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| 10:21 | i searched and found I need nfs server on the ltsp server
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| 10:22 | how come it is not on it yet, the clients need it to mound the homes, don't they?
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| 10:40 | <csaba> anyone?
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> csaba: fat clients use sshfs by default, you need to do additional configuration to switch to nfs
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| 12:01 | <csaba> is there a simple way to have quota without nfs?
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| 12:01 | <sepski> csaba, on local filesystem yes
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| 12:02 | <csaba> I mean on the fat client
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| 12:02 | or will it be a problem if I export /home from ltsp server and run nfs-common on the fat client?
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| 12:03 | <csaba> somehow I need quota on the fat client
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| 12:03 | <sepski> csaba, you must use nfs then.
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| 12:04 | <csaba> something I do not get: how does then ltsp fat providing user homes for fat clients without nfs?
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| 12:05 | <sepski> or make your own ; a nightly cronjob that checks all userdirs with 'du -s ' ; and nag the user+ sending a report to yourself. might be simple enough to implement
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| 12:05 | csaba, alkisg just said p there that it uses sshfs by default
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| 12:07 | <csaba> ok, sorry
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| 12:07 | then let me ask again: will it be a problem if I export /home from ltsp server and run nfs-common on the fat client?
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> csaba: don't quotas take effect even if you use sshfs?
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| 12:09 | I don't see why you need to do anything to the fat chroot, to have quotas...
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| 12:11 | I'm not using quotas, but I think it's a local file system thing, unrelated to the network file system by which the clients access it... (sshfs, nfs, samba, whatever, the quotas should still take effect locally)
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| 12:12 | <csaba> so far no
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> Then you probably have something misconfigured in your server, unrelated to ltsp
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| 12:13 | <csaba> when I run quota on the server under some username it returns data fine
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| 12:13 | on the lstp fat client nothing returns
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| 12:13 | <alkisg> Do you run it for the correct file system?
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| 12:13 | <alkisg> I.e. the sshfs mounted /home/username?
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| 12:14 | <muppis> csaba, it doesn't report quota to fat, but it still effective on server even it mounted to elsewhere via fuse mount, like alkisg mentioned.
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| 12:15 | <csaba> muppis: thanks I understand that, but I need to report users over fat
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| 12:15 | I created a little program to check quota upon login and pop up a window
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| 12:16 | it works on a thin client system
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> csaba: then your questions are "how do I check quota with sshfs" or "how do I check quota with nfs"? Which are unrelated to LTSP. You can still ask in this channel, but you might want to also ask in a more appropriate channel instead.
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| 12:18 | <csaba> first I wasn't aware of ltsp fat is not using nfs, but i though i can implemet nfs to make it work
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> If you want to run a command (your quota program) on the server instead of the fat client, you can reuse the ssh channel
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| 12:18 | <csaba> but I guess I asked how to have quota with ltsp fat
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| 12:19 | give me 10 mins
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> E.g. for NFS google says one can use rquotad: manpages.ubuntu.com/rquotad
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| 12:21 | To enable NFS for fat clients, check the fat clients wiki page:
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| 12:21 | !fatclients | echo csaba:
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| 12:21 | <ltsp`> csaba: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 12:51 | <csaba> so alskig: "how do I check quota with sshfs"?
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| 12:53 | I understand how to do it with nfs, but from your interpretation I guess using quota with sshfs is the way to go
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> csaba: you can use tab to autocomplete the user names, to get them right
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| 13:02 | I didn't mean that sshfs is the way to go
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> I meant that however you do it, your questions are unrelated to this irc channel
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| 13:03 | And it's better to ask in #nfs for nfs, or in your distro channel, etc
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| 13:10 | <csaba> alskig I came here because I am using ltsp and though that someone else may have the same problem or a solution.
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| 13:10 | it seemed logical to come to ltsp channel since
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| 13:11 | I would happily go to another channel if I'd know better. Problem is I am stuck and need some help.
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| 13:12 | alskig autocomplete on the server you mean?
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> csaba: no, I mean if you write "al" and press tab, you'll get "alkisg" autocompleted
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| 13:13 | <csaba> since ltsp is already working without nfs I guess you are right to try to use sshfs then
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> Because the way you write it, "alskig", it's wrong
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| 13:14 | <csaba> oh yes it works thanks
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> What I'm saying is that people in #nfs will know more about quotas over nfs than us here
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| 13:15 | <csaba> alkisg, I am fine with quotas over NFS, that is not the problem
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> For sshfs I don't know if they have an IRC channel or a mailing list, you'd need to google it
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| 13:15 | If you want to switch LTSP fat clients to NFS, then _this_ is the correct channel, and I already answered that...
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| 13:15 | For sshfs/nfs/quotas, sorry, no idea.
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| 13:17 | <csaba> alkisg, would you please tell me once again?
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| 13:18 | about nfs
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> (02:21:21 μμ) alkisg: To enable NFS for fat clients, check the fat clients wiki page:
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| 13:18 | (02:21:30 μμ) alkisg: !fatclients | echo csaba:
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| 13:18 | (02:21:31 μμ) ltsp`: csaba: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 13:20 | <csaba> alkisg, thanks
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 13:21 | <csaba> alkisg, one more
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| 13:22 | alkisg, when I installed ltsp from ubutu alternate, it installs without nfs, right?
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| 13:22 | alkisg, then if I look this site aou mentioned, it is not talking about switcing from sshfs mode to nfs specifically,
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients#NFS_HOME
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| 13:23 | <csaba> alkisg, so my concern is wouldn't I screw up my system if I go and implement nfs also
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> NFS_HOME Unfortunately, even with SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=False, some applications that require file locks (e.g. evolution) fail to run properly. A new lts.conf variable was introduced to overcome this, NFS_HOME. In order to use it,
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| 13:23 | Install nfs-common in the chroot, Install nfs-kernel-server on your server, Add /home *(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) to your /etc/exports on your server,
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| 13:23 | Run sudo exportfs -ra for the previous change to take effect, And finally, add NFS_HOME=/home on your lts.conf.
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| 13:23 | csaba: this is the part where it is "talking about switcing from sshfs mode to nfs specifically,"
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| 13:24 | Please read the wiki page I linked
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| 13:24 | <csaba> I did, just was trying to tell you something that took too long before you asked
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> I lost you. Didn't you say that "(03:22:55 μμ) csaba: alkisg, then if I look this site aou mentioned, it is not talking about switcing from sshfs mode to nfs specifically," ?
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| 13:25 | And I'm saying that it does.
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| 13:26 | Anyway time to go, good luck with the rest.
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| 13:26 | <csaba> I think you are right, I probably got lost with a bunch of what if's
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| 13:27 | <csaba> and many thanks for taking your time
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| 13:34 | <csaba> can someone tell me where to put the lts.conf under ubuntu 10.04?
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| 14:25 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 14:29 | <andygraybeal> hi hi hi
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| 15:13 | <cliebow> is that bill cavalieri?
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| 15:13 | * cliebow sp | |
| 15:14 | <bill_c> lol that it is, been a long time :)
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| 15:32 | <cliebow> bill_c, you still integrating macs..done anything with macbooks?
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| 15:33 | <bill_c> Haven't been able to do much with macs anymore, my supply of macs ran out
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| 15:34 | starting a new job, so might be able to fund that hobby again
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| 15:35 | hey having a prob, not that familiar with ltsp5. Getting out of memory: kill process 880 clicfs. Thin clients have 128mb ram, anything I can do, or should they upgrade?
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| 15:38 | <cliebow> i ll have to leave that to someone else..I lost my ltsp to one-to-one macbooks..so never have progressed beyond 4.2
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> About ltsp-chroot and /dev mounting... I got this:
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| 17:25 | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
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| 17:26 | dpkg: error processing linux-image-3.2.0-8-generic (--configure):
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| 17:26 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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| 17:26 | Should we mount --bind /dev ? Should we blacklist grub? Should we make a wrapper for grub-probe?
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| 17:59 | <andygraybeal> does anyone else have problems with the 'gnome-power-manager'? or how about this 'bonobo-activation-server'?
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> What problems?
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| 18:00 | <andygraybeal> well with the 'gnome-power-manager' i think it has a memory leak, i could be wrong.
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| 18:01 | alkisg, also - they seem to eat a lot of memory per user, and i have no idea what it does, and would be grateful if it wasn't there in the first place --- honestly i don't know.. i'm going through all the processes on my server.. and they seem to take a lot of memory per person.
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| 18:02 | i wonder if other people have possibly the same issue
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> I think the formula is "256 MB per logged in user"
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| 18:03 | Is that what you're seeing?
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| 18:03 | <andygraybeal> for the 'gnome-power-manager' ?
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> No, for the whole session
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| 18:03 | E.g. if you have 10 users, how much RAM is your server using?
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| 18:03 | <andygraybeal> i'm looking at htop, i don't know how to look at that.
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> How many logged on users?
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| 18:04 | And, what's the output of `free` ?
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| 18:04 | <andygraybeal> andy@buddleia:/home/andy.graybeal$ free
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| 18:04 | total used free shared buffers cached
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| 18:04 | Mem: 8192980 6491020 1701960 0 34916 595888
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| 18:04 | -/+ buffers/cache: 5860216 2332764
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| 18:04 | Swap: 7831544 1131292 6700252
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| 18:04 | andy@buddleia:/home/andy.graybeal$
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| 18:04 | and i have, i don't know 10 users logged in
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| 18:04 | maybe 8 user
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| 18:05 | some are using x2go and some ltsp
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> `w` tells you the users
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| 18:05 | <andygraybeal> yea, but not the 'x2go' users
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> Why not?
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| 18:05 | <andygraybeal> i'm not sure, then it says only 2 people are logged in with 'w'
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| 18:05 | myself and someone else
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> Hmmm both LTSP and x2go depend on ssh for login
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| 18:06 | <andygraybeal> okay, then i'm not sure
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> So either both of them should show up, or noone of them
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| 18:08 | <andygraybeal> yes, i don't get it - i don't trust all this 'gnome' stuff :)
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> If I `ssh user@localhost`, then I can see the user with `w`.
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| 18:59 | <csaba> hi
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| 18:59 | I came back here so perhaps someone knows how to make ltsp fat client aware of disk quota?
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| 19:00 | with sshfs and not nfs
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> vagrantc: one problem with not mounting /dev/ in ltsp-chroot is grub:
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| 20:14 | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
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| 20:14 | dpkg: error processing linux-image-3.2.0-8-generic (--configure):
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| 20:14 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> eesh. no problems like that in debian.
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| 20:21 | does linux-image-* depend on grub or something?
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> I think so, but the end goal is *to have * grub installed
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| 20:23 | So that it's a bootable chroot, right?
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> ah, right.
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> (although if it's bootable one can do that from vbox or something, i.e. from a real, not chrooted, system)
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> well, you've got your problem use-case :)
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> In sch-scripts I used to mount /dev so I never had this problem
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| 20:30 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, my system has been running for 40 days... it just seems like my memory slowly creeps up in usage until i got to reboot the computer
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> andygraybeal: keep the output of a `ps aux` the first day, and compare it with the output of the 40th day, and then file bug reports wherever you suspect there are leaks
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| 20:41 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, okay interesting. thank you
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