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Channel log from 5 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:32 | <oldwolf> hi all, where can i check the news for ltsp development progress?
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| 02:26 | <anton> Does anyone know if it is possible to use the modem in the thin workstation?
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| 03:57 | <daya> vagrantc, I got out of freq.in client , H:93.5Hhz
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| 03:57 | and V:87HZ
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| 03:59 | vanya, when I press ctrl + or - it gets fine, but every time I have to do it,
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| 04:37 | <Envite> Hello sll from Spain
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| 04:37 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 05:53 | <cliebow> envite:want to coach me learning spanish 9~)
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| 05:54 | <Envite> hehehehehe
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| 05:54 | of course :)
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| 05:55 | <cliebow> i'm gonna get some stuff to work with first..
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| 05:56 | <Envite> small children books?
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| 05:57 | <daya> ogra, I am having resolution problem in client, "Out of frequency H:93.5 Khz, V:87HZ
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| 05:58 | ogra, what should I do , I have edited lts.conf and specify X_MODE_0=1024x768 still it doesn't work,
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| 05:58 | ogra, any suggestion,
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| 06:01 | <Envite> daya: do not try that
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| 06:01 | use X_VERTREFRESH and X_HORZSYNC
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| 06:01 | <daya> Envite, is that dangerous,
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| 06:02 | <Envite> no
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| 06:02 | <daya> Envite, how to guess in which value it works ,
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| 06:02 | <Envite> they are frequency ranges
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| 06:03 | try something smaller than 93.5 and 87
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| 06:03 | <daya> Envite, lets me check,
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| 06:04 | ls
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| 06:08 | <Envite> mine are:
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| 06:08 | X_VERTREFRESH="50-120"
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| 06:08 | X_HORZSYNC="30-54"
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| 06:10 | <daya> in others monitor it is working fine, in this DIGICOM monitor only it is paining me,
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| 06:12 | <cliebow> Envite:perhaps..maybe sit in on something aat school too.
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| 06:14 | <Envite> daya, do not worry
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| 06:14 | each monitor model has its own frequency limits
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| 06:14 | <daya> Envite, I have tried these now it directly goes to text mode login,
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| 06:14 | <Envite> LTSP defaults to common frequencies, but they're just common, not universal
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| 06:15 | <daya> Envite, how to find the frequency limit of a monitor,
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| 06:15 | Envite, yes manual may help me,
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| 06:16 | <Envite> your monitor said values that are beyond limits
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| 06:17 | try from those values down
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| 06:17 | <cliebow> Google is your friend
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| 06:23 | <daya> Envite, its not working yes, when I press ctrl+ and ctrl - it somewhat came to login prompt
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| 06:23 | Envite, but it is not in complete view,
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| 06:24 | <Envite> remove the X_MODE_0 line
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| 06:26 | <daya> I have already removed it,
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| 06:27 | <Envite> well, it is then beyond my help now
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| 06:27 | <daya> Envite, : D
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| 06:27 | <Envite> I'm sorry I can't help more
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| 06:28 | <ogra> daya, the monitor doesnt properly report its resolutions (its likely very old)
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| 06:28 | <daya> its all right, I will again hit and trail some values,
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| 06:28 | <ogra> try google to find the right values for hsync and verrefresh
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| 06:28 | *vert
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| 06:28 | <daya> ogra, may be it seems to be new but the old company ,
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| 06:28 | digicom
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| 06:30 | <ogra> well, the X only uses the resolution ddcprobe/xresprobe tell it ... i've only seen it not working on very old tube monitors yet
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| 06:30 | s/the//
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| 06:32 | you said you got a screen already? its just off ? then log in and run xvidtune, adjust the picture and note down the values for hsync vertrefresh
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| 06:43 | <daya> ogra, hsync ramge 30 -55 and vsync 50 - 120, i putted in lts.conf , but same problem, this time i can't login even
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| 06:43 | I press ctrl+ or _
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| 06:43 | i
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| 06:43 | -,
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| 06:44 | <daya> is vsync or X_VERTREFRESH is same
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| 06:44 | <ogra> then these values are wrong
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| 06:44 | to high i guess
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| 06:46 | did you try google ?
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| 06:47 | <aze> hi all
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| 07:13 | <daya> ogra, yes I found in the monitor manual,
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| 07:15 | <daya> but it is not working,
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| 07:16 | Horizontal frequency 30-56KHz, Field Frequency 50-120 Hz (automatic)
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| 07:23 | <Envite> put those values in the lts.conf
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| 07:24 | but better try 31-54 and 55-90 too
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| 07:24 | since these are more restrictive
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| 07:38 | <daya> Envite, ogra its not working yet, too furstated with this digicom monitor
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| 07:38 | <crashover> hello guys...its all right??
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| 07:38 | my problem with nx was resolved....
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| 07:39 | <Envite> daya: buf
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| 07:39 | <crashover> the problem was in keys of authentication of nx....the first authentication it's a ssh authentication, that I see...
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| 07:39 | thank you for all
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| 08:19 | <ogra> vagrantc, !
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| 08:19 | vagrantc, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24211/ what do you think about that one ?
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| 08:19 | <vagrantc> ogra: hmmm?
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| 08:20 | * ogra had some boring trainrides on the weekend and was playing with ideas | |
| 08:21 | <vagrantc> it's worth playing with
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| 08:21 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:21 | <vagrantc> might also just be able to export the squashfs over NFS and still gain some speed
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| 08:21 | <ogra> we use nbd anyway already
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| 08:21 | thats still crashy i heard
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| 08:21 | <vagrantc> more hassle to do quick tweaks, though...
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| 08:22 | what's still crashy?
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| 08:22 | <ogra> yeah, i think i would keep the chroot around for maintenance and create the squash image inside /opt/ltsp/$arch
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| 08:22 | squashfs over nfs
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| 08:22 | <vagrantc> having to regenerate the squashfs to make any changes to the chroot kind of sucks ... but if it's significantly faster and reduces network traffic ...
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| 08:23 | squashfs over NFS is unstable ? hmmm...
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| 08:23 | <ogra> that would grow the /opt/ltsp/$arch dir by 150M and you still could do easy maintenance
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| 08:23 | <vagrantc> also, should play with unionfs over NFS, too. i've seen it working. seemed stable.
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| 08:24 | <ogra> well, we have the code already for squashfs over nfs somewhere
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| 08:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, easy becomes: make tweaks ; regenerate squashfs
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| 08:24 | <ogra> mdz implemented that first
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| 08:24 | <vagrantc> rather than simply make tweaks
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| 08:24 | <ogra> but that was oopsing from time to time
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| 08:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah i know.
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| 08:24 | <ogra> and when i tried pre edgy it want better
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| 08:24 | *wasnt
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| 08:25 | <vagrantc> we'll have to look at what debian-live does ... i know they pass some special options to unionfs
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| 08:25 | <ogra> thats fine ... if it wors then
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| 08:25 | hmm
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| 08:25 | actually i dont think it was squashfs that was crashy, right ...
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| 08:25 | it was unionfs
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| 08:26 | <vagrantc> maybe unionfs on squashfs on NFS would be fine :)
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| 08:26 | or nbd
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| 08:26 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:26 | <vagrantc> some people even like samba (cifs?)
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| 08:26 | <ogra> well, i dont really care if nfs or nbd lies below, but it seemed like a valid way to solve any possible nfs probs :)
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| 08:27 | <vagrantc> we could even do plain nbd without squashfs
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| 08:27 | we have no shortage of options
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| 08:27 | <ogra> right
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| 08:27 | well, we have time constraints :)
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| 08:28 | <vagrantc> i replied to mario regarding tcos today ... but pkg-ltsp-devel is postponing my messages again.
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| 08:28 | * ogra points to his release schedule :) | |
| 08:28 | <ogra> well, he should just find a DD to take care
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| 08:28 | <vagrantc> yeah, well. there's always next release
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| 08:28 | ogra: he's already found a sponsor to upload to debian
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| 08:29 | <ogra> i'm ore happy if it get to debian first ... so i dont have to care, t'll get autosynced
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| 08:29 | <vagrantc> it's sitting in NEW
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| 08:29 | <ogra> gah
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| 08:29 | * ogra pokes his keyboard | |
| 08:29 | <vagrantc> if svn is any example, though, i suspect the ftp-masters will reject on improper copyrights
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| 08:29 | the svn of tcos, that is
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| 08:29 | <ogra> well, it will surely take its time until the packging is right
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| 08:30 | * ogra hates that better/worse comaprison this guy is doing all the time ... obvoiusly without knowing ltsp5 | |
| 08:31 | <vagrantc> my ltsp-client-core patches sunk ltsp in NEW ... :(
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| 08:31 | <ogra> yeah, i skiped the merge until tribe1 is done ...
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| 08:31 | which i'm just rsyncing
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| 08:31 | <vagrantc> tribe1 ?
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| 08:31 | <ogra> the milestone CD
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| 08:31 | you should get familiar with our processes :P
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| 08:32 | <vagrantc> yeah, one of these days
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| 08:33 | <cliebow_> anyone fell lilke helping with a serial connect to a managed switch?
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| 08:34 | <vagrantc> oh, that's always fun!
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| 08:35 | * vagrantc has experience with 2 models of managed switches | |
| 08:35 | <cliebow_> ive nevere used minicom...can i start mgetty from a commandline oe must i muck with event.d?
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| 08:35 | * vagrantc prefers screen for serial access | |
| 08:36 | <vagrantc> screen /dev/ttyS0
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| 08:36 | <cliebow_> this is telnet dealio
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| 08:36 | hmm lemme try
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| 08:36 | <vagrantc> it's telnet ... and serial ?
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| 08:36 | * vagrantc is confused | |
| 08:37 | <cliebow_> opening the book
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| 08:38 | guess telnet after the thing will answer
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| 08:38 | so just a serial connect..
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| 08:39 | by the book hardcoding an addy in dhcp will let you use the network..i cant get that far.
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| 08:39 | therefore looking at the serial connect
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| 08:40 | i can start mgetty from cli though right?
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| 08:40 | <vagrantc> mgetty running ... on the switch?
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| 08:40 | <cliebow_> on the client machine
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| 08:41 | <vagrantc> i'd skip mgetty and just run "screen /dev/ttyS#"
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| 08:41 | <cliebow_> let me muck with that then
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| 08:42 | <vagrantc> one of the many features of screen that changed my world.
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| 08:42 | <ogra> oh207, shudder that sound support of tcos sounds crazy
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| 08:42 | <cliebow_> all i get is a big blank..
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| 08:43 | <ogra> he will also have to maintain a permanent fork of ltspfs
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| 08:45 | <cliebow_> hmm at least get a device busy
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| 08:48 | <vagrantc> ogra: if we can get egos out of the way, i think we can actually do some good collaboration with tcos
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| 08:49 | two folks on their way to debconf just showed up at the hostal! :)
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| 08:50 | <ogra> yay
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| 08:50 | vagrantc, well, i dont want to reintroduce ltsp 4.2 in ltsp5
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| 08:50 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:50 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> Morning all!
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| 08:50 | Hey ogra!!!
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, we can't just assume it will fail. i think it's worth putting some effort into sharing code.
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| 08:51 | <ogra> vagrantc, indeed, ibut i dont want anything in the tree that introduces monolithic images again
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| 08:52 | as long as the code is sane its fine
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| 08:52 | i'D also like to see TCM and tcos-monitor devs work together
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| 08:52 | since tcos-moitor reimplements half of TCM
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| 08:53 | <vagrantc> well, yes.
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| 08:53 | <ogra> but TCM has a proper plugin system, client server and frontend backend separation
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| 08:53 | so the the kde guys can easly plug their frontend in
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| 08:53 | <vagrantc> i guess, to me, the assumption is we don't do stupid things :P
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| 08:53 | <ogra> while tcos-monitor is further with general user features
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| 08:53 | right
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| 08:54 | well, at least he seems to think about working together now ... he did refuse it all the time when i talked to him
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| 08:54 | and only wanted me to push his packages into ubuntu
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: If human history has taught us anything, it's that that's a bad assumption to make :)
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| 08:55 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yes, but in the realm of technical things, i think there's enough eyes with differing perspectives to make that assumption.
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 08:55 | <ogra> i would also like to see him submitting his changes upstream
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc> i.e. when we start doing something stupid, someone points it out
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| 08:56 | <ogra> i dont think he sent any of his fork of ltspfs to sbalneav yet
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> who what?
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| 08:56 | <ogra> tcps
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| 08:56 | err
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| 08:56 | tcos
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> No, I haven't seen anything.
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| 08:57 | <ogra> he dropped all communication code and uses unencrypted xmlrpc calls through a webserver for the ltspfs comm layer
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| 08:57 | <cliebow_> vagraantc:so what does "could not find a PTY" imply?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> i'm not thrilled about that, but we should have his code there with a build option so he doesnt use old core code all the time
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| 08:57 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: hrm.
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| 08:57 | <ogra> i.e. old ltspfs and ltspfsd
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| 08:58 | <cliebow_> devcie or resource busy
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| 08:59 | <ogra> sbalneav, the autofoo stuff you made for the ldm greeter, do you have that separate from your new C wrapper code ?
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 08:59 | <ogra> i'd like to have the greeter in gutsy asap and your autofoo stuff would help with packging
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> greeter and ldm will be separate
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| 08:59 | ok,
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| 08:59 | I'll finish it up today.
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| 09:00 | I'm working on ldm2 atm
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| 09:00 | <ogra> (i'm building the first milestone CD atm s we're frozen anyway, no hurry, i'll be busy until thursday with that)
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> ogra: regarding 395145 ... with the ipconfig hanging .... when he changes his dhcpd.conf to use next-server ... it works. that's why i really am wondering if he's really using the newer initramfs-tools ...
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| 09:00 | <ogra> well, his answers got more and more vague over the frquent mails
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| 09:01 | <vagrantc> ogra: that's what i really don't understand... how dhcpd.conf changes could bring the link up.
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| 09:01 | <ogra> me neither
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> k
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| 09:01 | <ogra> but then we patched dhcpd to not need next-server
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| 09:01 | thats probably it
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| 09:01 | <vagrantc> still.
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| 09:02 | when i had that problem, the patches to initramfs-tools worked fine.
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| 09:02 | <ogra> iirc the server automatically sends the server ip to the client if net-server is unset with our patch
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| 09:02 | *next
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| 09:02 | <vagrantc> unless newer things in initramfs-tools broke it ... i only applied the patch to an older version.
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| 09:02 | <jfrancis> anyone up to taking over where jammcq was helping debug a two USB printer setup, this morning??? I can give quick rundown...
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| 09:06 | <jfrancis> Two printers work fine w/jetdirect port 9100, but neither work with port 9101. Telnetting to port 9101 works, but sending a print job (test page from CUPS or other applications) just takes the printer out of sleep mode (light flashes on printer) but no printing. Two pastebot links for review: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/172 http://pastebot.ltsp.org/173
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> jfrancis: What version LTSP, what version host OS?
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| 09:07 | <jfrancis> 4.2 host FC5
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| 09:08 | Gadi: here's an update since you left yesterday: Two printers work fine w/jetdirect port 9100, but neither work with port 9101. Telnetting to port 9101 works, but sending a print job (test page from CUPS or other applications) just takes the printer out of sleep mode (light flashes on printer) but no printing. Two pastebot links for review: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/172 http://pastebot.ltsp.org/173
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| 09:09 | P.S. glad you guys are here!!
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> So, you have no problem getting one printer going, it's just the second one?
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| 09:09 | <jfrancis> yes. I can interchange the printers and they both work on 9100
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| 09:09 | but neither work on 9101 except via telnet
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| 09:10 | <aze> hi all
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| 09:10 | <jfrancis> weird huh
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> This in a lab?
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| 09:10 | <jfrancis> production
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| 09:10 | <ogra> sbalneav, for a boring minute ... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24211/ (was travelling over the weekend and played with ideas in my boredom on the train)
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| 09:11 | <vagrantc> jfrancis: just a crazy thought ... could you try a third printer?
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> First thing I'd do is check in SCREEN_02 = shell and see what the command lines look like of the printer processes.
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| 09:12 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, he should be able to just define PRINTER_DEVICE_3
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| 09:12 | <jfrancis> vagrantc: I can try in a bit need more hardware :)
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| 09:12 | <ogra> instead of _2
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| 09:13 | lp_server wont care which options you force on it (if you just want a differet port)
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| 09:13 | <jfrancis> fairly new to ltsp what ps filter would you like me to run
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| 09:13 | ?
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> or try PRINTER_2_DEVICE and PRINTER_3_DEVICE without a _1_
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| 09:14 | <jfrancis> vagrantc: k, i'll give that a try
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| 09:14 | * vagrantc breathes a sign of nostalgia for lp_server | |
| 09:14 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> ogra: Here's my $50 question of the day.
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| 09:14 | <ogra> we're still missing serial support for jetpipe
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> Why use squash, which will only slow you down for uncompress. If the nbd's on the server, why not just create a stock ext2/3 image?
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| 09:15 | <ogra> i talked to tkamppeter on the weekend at linuxtag, seems we'll get some udev based magic for printer autoconfiguration in the future
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> ogra: Jetpipe's on my list to do once I get ldm2 done :)
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| 09:16 | <ogra> sbalneav, the squash goes a lot faster over the network
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| 09:16 | its 150M vs 450
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| 09:16 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it depends on if your limitation is CPU or network ... squashfs requires fewer reads.
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| 09:16 | <ogra> using nbd will eliminate nfs probs
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> We should make that a build time option
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| 09:16 | For me, it would probably be fine.
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| 09:16 | <ogra> well, i was only playinfg with the idea, i'll do some tests
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| 09:16 | <vagrantc> (and introduce nbd problems)
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| 09:16 | <ogra> but it could be an option for low powered clients
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> It's an interesting idea, anyway.
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| 09:17 | <ogra> its surely not supposed to be a default
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc> unless performance skyrockets, i'd go with the tried and true
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> jfrancis: Something's twigging an ancient memory.
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| 09:18 | <Thumann> hi, i'm having big problems with booting using pxe on some of the machines.. it hangs at "Mounting root filesystem /opt/ltsp/i386" or so.. and if i then restart the computer a few times, it boots successfully.. any ideas?
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> change PRINTER_0's to PRINTER_1's and PRINTER_1's to PRINTER_2's
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> Thumann: what linux distro?
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| 09:19 | <jfrancis> sbalneav: here are my lp processes on the client: /sbin/lp_server -n 9100 -w -d /dev/usb/lp0 and /sbin/lp_server -n 9101 -w -d /dev/usb/lp1
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| 09:19 | sorry for time lapse, have to walk out into the warehouse
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| 09:19 | <Thumann> vagrantc: two server, one debian and one ubuntu
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| 09:20 | *two servers
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> gah. mario's reply to my reponse made it to pkg-ltsp-devel before my reponse
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| 09:20 | <ogra> Thumann, but only one dhcp server for the whole network i hope :)
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| 09:20 | <Thumann> ogra: yes :)
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| 09:21 | using this fix though: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#X_Load_Balancing
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| 09:21 | a patched startx
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| 09:21 | but i had the same problem before, (when i ran with just one server on the ubuntu)
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| 09:22 | <ogra> erm, thats clearly not for ltsp5
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| 09:23 | <Thumann> good thing i'm using 4.1 then
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| 09:23 | <ogra> on ubuntu o_O
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| 09:23 | ?
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| 09:23 | * Thumann nods | |
| 09:24 | <sbalneav> So, you're not using even 4.2?
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| 09:26 | <vagrantc> ogra: you act like it's absurd :P
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| 09:26 | <ogra> vagrantc, well
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| 09:27 | <Thumann> hmm.. might be 4.2
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| 09:27 | shouldn't ltspinfo give .. well.. info?
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| 09:27 | <ogra> nobody should use 4.x on any recent ubuntu anymore
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| 09:28 | <vagrantc> well, we still have a ways to go to be on par with 4.x with a few things...
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| 09:28 | and until then, people are going to do it.
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| 09:28 | no matter how much we whine about it :P
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| 09:28 | <ogra> well
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| 09:28 | it forces us to support the old stuff still
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| 09:29 | which just burns manpower
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| 09:29 | <vagrantc> you can refuse to support it
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| 09:29 | <ogra> and delays the new feature development
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| 09:29 | <jfrancis> sbalneav && vagrantc: changing PRINTER_0's to PRINTER_1's and PRINTER_1's to PRINTER_2's did _not_ work - grrrr.
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| 09:29 | <ogra> which i do :)
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| 09:30 | <jfrancis> sbalneav && vagrantc: same result as before
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| 09:30 | <Thumann> so anyways :) any ideas?
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| 09:30 | and where is /linuxrc located?
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| 09:30 | in the initrd image?
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| 09:31 | gonna try switching nfs to run over tcp instead of udp
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| 09:37 | * vagrantc should have contacted the tcos guy while in madrid ... he only lives like an hour from here | |
| 09:38 | <ogra> doit :)
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| 09:38 | <vagrantc> i leave thursday already
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| 09:40 | <Q-FUNK> any interesting upcoming event where we can all meet for a drink?
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| 09:41 | an LTSP pbu rally could be fun.
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> Probably the next one would be in Boston.
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| 09:42 | <vagrantc> there'll be a few of us in portland, oregon in july
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| 09:42 | <Q-FUNK> anything in europe?
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| 09:42 | <ogra> thats just gone
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| 09:42 | <vagrantc> and a few in edinburgh, scottland at the debian conference starting in a few days
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| 09:42 | <ogra> it was in sevilla last month
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| 09:43 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: "pbu" ?
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| 09:43 | <Q-FUNK> yup. missed sevilla and cannot go to debconf.
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| 09:43 | pub
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| 09:43 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: where you located?
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> ogra, sbalneav: if you are interested, I ported /usr/sbin/ldm to bash this morning - to see if python was really the slow point
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| 09:44 | <cliebow_> and.........
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| 09:44 | <Q-FUNK> I could have gone to sevilla, if i had booked everything on time.
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| 09:44 | <sbalneav> Did that fix it?
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| 09:44 | I'd love to see it.
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| 09:44 | <ogra> Gadi, so did you see the 20 sec speedup sbalneav had ?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> I'm not sure it is (but I have only tested on a thin client where the greeter slowness dwarfs all)
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| 09:44 | <Q-FUNK> as for debconf, UK is acountry in which i refuse to step foot until they got rid of the police state.
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> I would love to get it to you guys
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| 09:44 | so, you can use it to test
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| 09:44 | <vagrantc> Gadi: stick it in a branch! :)
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| 09:45 | <ogra> Gadi, how did you overcome the obvious security prblems in using bash here ?
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> which problems are you refering to?
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| 09:45 | <ogra> i know mdz started off with a shell based implementation but our security team shouted
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| 09:45 | no proper way of forking safely iirc
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| 09:45 | <vagrantc> security though slowness!
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> Im not forking anything
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| 09:46 | <Q-FUNK> if debian and ubuntu standardized on dash as the default shell, instead of bash, it would help.
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> Im just setting up vars, calling the greeter
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| 09:46 | <vagrantc> unless calling ssh is considered forking ...
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| 09:46 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: currently, .FI and .EE
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| 09:46 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: there's been a lot of work in that direction
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> thats not a fork - its a child process
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| 09:47 | <ogra> vagrantc, exactly
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| 09:47 | Gadi, nope
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| 09:47 | it forks off and closes stdin in the python implementation
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| 09:47 | (stdin of the child)
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> ok...
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| 09:47 | * vagrantc would still be curious to see the results | |
| 09:48 | <Gadi> how does this require such measures when an untold number of init scripts written in bash do not?
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| 09:48 | <ogra> there are no initscripts in bash at all
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| 09:48 | (at least in ubuntu)
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| 09:48 | we use dash
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> ok
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| 09:48 | <vagrantc> ok, so say i port Gadi's work to dash ...
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> and dash is mor secure?
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| 09:48 | er, more
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| 09:48 | <ogra> no
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| 09:49 | * vagrantc suspects dash is actually more secure, as it's considerably less code | |
| 09:49 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: i meant that both should stop shipping with bash by default. they should ship with dash instead.
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| 09:49 | <ogra> POSIX compliant , half as memory hungry as bash and a lot faster
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| 09:49 | Q-FUNK, ubuntu does since dapper
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| 09:49 | <vagrantc> it's pretty easy to set in debian.
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> well, we can use whatever *sh you want
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| 09:49 | <ogra> we dont use bash anywhere in the system ...
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| 09:49 | <vagrantc> but not yet the default
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| 09:49 | <ogra> only as login shell for users
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| 09:50 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: not quite. bash is still shipped. what ubuntu does is pre-configure dash as sh.
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| 09:50 | <ogra> Gadi, well coding for dash is significantly different, since your code needs to be fully POSIX compliant
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| 09:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: POSIX + XSI extensions
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| 09:50 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, as i said badh isnt used apart from login
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| 09:50 | <ogra> *bash
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> ok, I will make it dash compliant and let you know
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| 09:51 | <jfrancis> sbalneav && vagrantc: any ideas? changing PRINTER_0's to PRINTER_1's and PRINTER_1's to PRINTER_2's did _not_ work. I tried running Wireshark network analyzer but WAY too much traffic to sort through
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> should take all of a few seconds
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| 09:51 | <ogra> there are no scripts in ubuntu anywhere that use bash
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| 09:51 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it will likely run even faster
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> I'll only miss the nice bash expansions
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| 09:51 | <ogra> right
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| 09:51 | <Q-FUNK> ensuring that all shell scripts are basic would require debian and ubutu not shipign any login shell by default and letting users decide among bash, tcsh and zsh, which one they want.
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| 09:51 | <vagrantc> Gadi: like arrays ?
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| 09:51 | <ogra> Gadi, and quoting is different in many places
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> just about all of them, vagrantc
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| 09:52 | <vagrantc> Gadi: what constructs did you use?
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| 09:52 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, all scripts in main are dash compliant
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> jfrancis: Not off the top of my head. Is this the only terminal around? Any chance you could hang one printer off one machine, and onother off a different terminal?
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> like this wont work: TESTME=$(echo "${!1}"|tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]')
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| 09:52 | <ogra> at east the ones the systm usees
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> because of the !
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| 09:52 | <ogra> *least
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| 09:53 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: you're not hearing me.
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| 09:54 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ah well. release early, release often. that's what i say.
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| 09:54 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, its moot to discuss it
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| 09:54 | <vagrantc> Gadi: fork over the code! :P
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| 09:55 | <jfrancis> sbalneav: a hardware workaround?! :)
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| 09:55 | * sbalneav shrugs | |
| 09:55 | <jfrancis> heh
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> Any old port in a storm.
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| 09:56 | <cliebow_> sbalneav: an ot?
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| 09:58 | <ogra> vagrantc, btw, you should subscrib to the gutsy-changes list or use the rss feed for it to be up to date what gets uploaded
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| 09:59 | <jfrancis> I can definately get them both working on port 9100 (on two separate terminals) but unfortunately we don't have another network drop in the warehouse
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| 09:59 | <cliebow_> using screen /dev/ttyS0 to try to contact a switch..mgetty -s 115200 -r ttyS0 vt 100 run from a command line..sudo screen /dev/ttyS0 gives a blank page..can you aim me the right way togo
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| 09:59 | <ogra> i guess the rss is less ressource hungry
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> jfrancis: Well, I don't have a 4.2 install around here to test any further, so I'm at a loss there. As for another drop, $15 5 port switch fixes that problem. I suppose it's a case of "do you want it fixed properly, or fixed quickly"?
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| 10:02 | <jfrancis> sbalneav: true
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| 10:02 | upgrade in order too
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| 10:03 | * vagrantc don't know how to use rss | |
| 10:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, you install an rss reader like liferea
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| 10:05 | and give it a feed url
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| 10:06 | unlike mail it wont eat all your disk but show you the recent uploads
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| 10:11 | <vporo> out of topic, but does anyone have experience with debian/ubuntu preseed and d-i preseed/run ?
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> vporo: a fair bit
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| 10:11 | vporo: check out #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net
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| 10:12 | <vporo> ok, thanks
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> ogra: wow. either liferea's dependencies are pretty minimal, or gnome is slowly creeping onto my computer.
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| 10:23 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:24 | i think liferea only needs gtk
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> Gadi: sooooooo? Where is it!!! gimmegimmegimmegimmegimme
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| 10:26 | * vagrantc prepares an angry mob with pitchforks and torches to appear at Gadi's door | |
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> I was thinking more a friendly mob bearing beer and usb sticks, but if you want to go for the whole Frankenstein vs. the Werewolf thing, ok :)
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| 10:29 | <cliebow_> cliebow sharpens his bludgeon
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| 10:30 | <ogra> vagrantc, http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/gutsy.xml
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| 10:30 | * vagrantc dulls a pointy stick | |
| 10:31 | <vagrantc> ogra: what's ubuntu-nl ?
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> You're *SHARPENING* a bludgeon? I though the entire point of a bludgeon was that it was, err, blunt.
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| 10:31 | <ogra> vagrantc, the dutch commuity
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> No Linky
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| 10:31 | <ogra> vagrantc, they care for the rss feed
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| 10:31 | * vagrantc introduces sbalneav to the subtleties of humour | |
| 10:32 | <cliebow_> what do you expect from a Mainiac
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> sorry, guys - had to work around this whole no-array thing
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| 10:34 | now im dash compliant
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| 10:34 | if not with a cheesy workaround for arrays :)
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| 10:35 | and it does seem faster
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| 10:35 | <ogra> would be funny if not :)
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| 10:35 | dash is known to speed up things
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> i will bzr it after a trip to the little engineer's room
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| 10:36 | * ogra wonders if they also have big and medium sized engineers in separate rooms at Gadis place | |
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| 10:36 | <BadMagic> hey all
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| 10:36 | long time no chat
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> bash has a lot of stuff that's completely useless in scripting that gets loaded
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| 10:36 | <BadMagic> jammcq... U round?
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| 10:36 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> all the interactivity stuff
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| 10:36 | <BadMagic> hmmm
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| 10:36 | <ogra> right
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| 10:37 | <BadMagic> not really a ltsp question, but know there are folks here that may be able to send someone my business....
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| 10:37 | looking for heavy data processing power... (leasable mysql database server space)
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| 10:38 | anyone have any contacts for such a beast/service? Used to use some hosting companies when I was doing php/mysql stuff, but don't remember the contacts...
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| 10:38 | <Guaraldo> BadMagic: #mysql can be more efective to your question, I think...
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| 10:38 | <ogra> if you really want it to serve *heavy* load i wouldnt take mysql
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| 10:38 | <BadMagic> been there, doing that.....
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| 10:38 | <ogra> rather postgres
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| 10:38 | <ogra> it has the clustering functionallity an oracle server has
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| 10:38 | * Guaraldo agree with orga... | |
| 10:39 | <ogra> so its way better scalable
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| 10:39 | <BadMagic> treid postgress, was much, much slower.... maybe I didn't setup correctly, but sure was slower
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| 10:39 | <ogra> mysql is great for a lot of stuff but in certain situations postgres copes a lot better
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| 10:39 | <BadMagic> simple database structure, no inserts, updates, or writes at all
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| 10:40 | <ogra> i.e with several tens of millions of datasets
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| 10:40 | <BadMagic> just need to do queries that can't use indexes, and must itterate through every record for the answer
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| 10:40 | the data is 2.8 million records
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| 10:40 | <ogra> tats not much
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| 10:40 | *thats
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| 10:41 | <BadMagic> no, but takes 3 seconds on my dual core amd64 machine.... and for 2.8 million queiries (how each record is realated to all the others) it will take about 3 montsh to get my answer
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| 10:41 | <ogra> the biggest setup i have seen with mysql was around 18 mio datasets on a single server ... and that was still somewhat responsive ...
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| 10:41 | <BadMagic> need answer yesterday
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| 10:41 | company willing to throw as much $$$ as needed to expedite the answer
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| 10:41 | <ogra> if you double or triple that you will get probs with mysql, but for 3 mio sets it should be totally fine
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| 10:42 | <BadMagic> and it is.... now just need more power
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| 10:42 | <ogra> well, if they are willing to pay why not pay mysql professional support :)
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| 10:42 | they offer it
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| 10:42 | * BadMagic thinks of scotty star trek quote, but holds back | |
| 10:42 | <BadMagic> do they have hardware to do work with?
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| 10:43 | suppose they may be able to point me to a customer of theirs that can lease me some cpu...
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| 10:43 | <ogra> http://www.mysql.com/support/
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| 10:43 | they offer support contracts
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| 10:43 | * BadMagic looking at mysql.com/support | |
| 10:45 | <cyberorg> BadMagic: for queries only openldap might serve your purpose too, and it is very fast
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| 10:48 | <Thumann> is there a tool to see how many clients are connected to a ltsp server?
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| 10:49 | <BadMagic> all clients are through dhcp allocation, and there should be a way to ask what address are currently leased, or connect just with network utilities
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| 10:49 | not necessarily ltsp tools
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| 10:50 | connect/connectede
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| 10:50 | <ogra> Thumann, depends
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| 10:50 | <cyberorg> arp -a ?
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| 10:50 | <ogra> for ltsp5 we ship thin-client-manager by default in ubuntu
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| 10:50 | <sbalneav> Thumann: Well, if you're on Ubuntu/Edubuntu, you can use thin client manager.
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| 10:50 | <Thumann> ogra: top doesn't show the clients 'hanging' at the login prompt
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| 10:50 | <ogra> Thumann, no, only the running sessions
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| 10:50 | sbalneav, http://www.linux4afrika.de/linuxtag_big.avi
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| 10:51 | some german for you :)
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> Danka schoen
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| 10:51 | <ogra> with edubuntu prais from german TV :)
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| 10:51 | *praise
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| 10:53 | <Thumann> sbalneavl: thin-client-manager sounds nifty, where to get?
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| 10:53 | <BadMagic> Thumann: would that be an xdm thing (if that is still what ltsp uses for remote logins)
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| 10:53 | <sbalneav> Thumann: Well, what distro are you running?
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| 10:53 | <ogra> BadMagic, xdm was 20 years ago :)
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| 10:53 | <BadMagic> hmm, what is the X login server...?
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| 10:54 | <ogra> BadMagic, new ltsp uses ldm and between that it used g/kdm
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| 10:54 | <sbalneav> Well, we're trying to standardize on ldm
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| 10:54 | <BadMagic> ah, ya, that's right... kdm... hehe what is ldm?
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| 10:54 | <Thumann> sbalneav: ubuntu on one box, debian on the other
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| 10:55 | <ogra> Thumann, but not ltsp5 right ?
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| 10:55 | TCM doent work with anything olde
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| 10:55 | *older
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| 10:56 | <Thumann> ogra: no, not ltsp5
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| 10:56 | <sbalneav> Are you wanting to see people logged in? Or everyone who's turned on?
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| 10:58 | <Thumann> well, both i guess
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> Well, arp -a can show you all the terminals your box knows about with IP addresses
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> The showmount program can show you who's got /opt/ltsp/i386 mounted.
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| 11:00 | If you're using k or g dm, ps -ef | grep [kg]dm can show you who's logged in.
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| 11:00 | etc.
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| 11:00 | <Thumann> mm
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> Is this just curiousity, or are you trying to debug a problem?
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| 11:00 | <Thumann> arp -a lists are "almost" identical on both servers
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> If they're both on the same network, they will be.
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| 11:01 | <Thumann> sbalneav: no, everything, including the x load balancing, is working great now
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| 11:01 | just wanted to have some sort of .. overview :)
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| 11:01 | sbalneav: yes
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| 11:02 | showmount shows 119 lines :o
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| 11:03 | showmount |wc -l
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| 11:03 | minus the one line at the top, 118 connected users.. that's wrong
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| 11:04 | <ogra> it doesnt show any users
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| 11:04 | <Thumann> workstations
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| 11:04 | <ogra> yep
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| 11:04 | <Thumann> other server shows 16
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| 11:04 | <ogra> seems you have some stale nfs mounts there
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| 11:05 | <Thumann> can i check for how long they've been idle?
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| 11:05 | no, can't
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| 11:07 | nuts to that :) last question, how can i allow my terminals to use the xdmcp option?
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| 11:07 | (connect to another server)
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| 11:11 | <ogra> if you use 4.2 they default to xdmcp anyway
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| 11:11 | just set the SERVER variable for the specific clients
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| 11:12 | <Thumann> ogra: that doesn't give me the option to connect to another server than the one i'll connect to
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| 11:13 | <ogra> Thumann, right
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| 11:13 | dunno then ...
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| 11:14 | <- doesnt otuc 4.2 and 5.x is jus getting a server selector in ldm
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| 11:14 | *touch
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| 11:15 | <ogra> i guess yu would have to get gdm running on the client somehow and switch on the browsing feature ...
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| 11:15 | instead of running it on the server
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| 11:27 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 11:27 | <ogra> yo jammcq
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| 11:34 | <mistik1> hola
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| 11:39 | <cliebow_> yoho
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| 11:40 | <ogra> jammcq, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24211/
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| 11:40 | thoughts from a boring trainride :)
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| 12:18 | <Alexandre_> Someone has some exemples files of LTSP 5.0 in Ubuntu ?!?!?!?
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> Alexandre_: what do you need ?
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| 12:18 | !ubuntu
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| 12:18 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 12:19 | <Alexandre_> Someone?!?!?
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> Alexandre_: what do you need ?
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| 12:19 | Alexandre_: could you please try and ask a more specific question?
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| 12:20 | <Alexandre_> vagrantc: i'm start to configure and the dhcpd.conf is diferent
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| 12:21 | i installed the packages and now is configuration!! vagrantc
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> Alexandre_: which packages did you install ?
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| 12:22 | <Alexandre_> vagrantc: ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server
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| 12:22 | vagrantc: and them sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> Alexandre_: so edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf for your network
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| 12:22 | <Alexandre_> i do
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| 12:22 | i need some exemple of this file
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| 12:23 | <Guaraldo> Alexandre_: Did you ever configured a dhcp server?
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| 12:23 | <Alexandre_> 4.1
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is the example ....
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| 12:24 | <Guaraldo> Alexandre_: You change the range of IPs to fit your network...
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| 12:26 | <ogra> Alexandre_, did you read the quick install page ?
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| 12:27 | <Alexandre_> yes
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| 12:27 | <ogra> do you have two NICs in you server ?
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| 12:28 | <Alexandre_> This is my dhcpd.conf in 4.1 http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/4306
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| 12:29 | <ogra> do you have two NICs in you server ?
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| 12:30 | <Alexandre_> Yes 2
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| 12:31 | eth0 web, eth1 internal network
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| 12:32 | <ogra> so did you see the sentence "Configure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP 192.168.0.1, then follow the instructions below." in the quickinstall guide ?
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| 12:32 | if you do that you cdont need to touch *any* config, all will work out of the box
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| 12:33 | if you urgently want a different ip range for the clients, you need to replace all occurences of "192.168.0." to the network you want to use for your thin clients and restart the dhcp server
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| 12:33 | <Alexandre_> Ogra don't need to do nothing in this file ?!?!!? Nothing like this: http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/4306
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| 12:34 | <ogra> no, this file works for 90% of the people
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| 12:34 | change it only if you need to
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| 12:34 | this is tue for all of ltsp5
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| 12:35 | everything is autodetected and works out of the box with it ... change config files only to override the defaults
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| 12:35 | <Alexandre_> ogra: ok i turn on the thins to try
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| 12:36 | my thin is searching for dhcp server
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| 12:37 | ogra stopd
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| 12:37 | <ogra> is the dhcp server running ?
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| 12:38 | (on the ltsp server)
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| 12:38 | <Alexandre_> ogra: * Stopping DHCP server dhcpd3 [ OK ] * Starting DHCP server dhcpd3 [ OK ]
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| 12:38 | <ogra> ok
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| 12:39 | <ogra> is the client network attached to the interface it runs on (the one with 192.168.0.X as IP ?)
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| 12:40 | <Alexandre_> ogra: yes
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| 12:41 | <ogra> do you see the client requests in te servers logs ?
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| 12:41 | <Alexandre_> ogra: http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/4308
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| 12:42 | No
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| 12:42 | <ogra> hmm sonds ratherlike a network problem ...
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| 12:42 | <Sunborne> Hi LTSP folks! I have been wrestling with this problem for a couple of weeks now. I'm trying to create kiosks with thin clients and everything works except auto-login. they need to autologin to the "ltspguest" account. Strangely, the server does autologin into ltspguest but the thin clients dont.
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| 12:43 | <ogra> Sunborne, using ltsp5 ?
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| 12:43 | <Sunborne> i'm running LTSP 5 on Kubuntu.
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| 12:43 | <ogra> Sunborne, ldm (the ltsp loginmanager) doesnt support autologin yet
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| 12:44 | <Sunborne> I think I'm using kdm.
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| 12:44 | <Alexandre_> ogra: this is my system log http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/4309
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| 12:46 | <Sunborne> should I use LTSP 4.2.? I haven't figure a way around the Ubuntu no-inittab thing with 4.2
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| 12:46 | <ogra> Alexandre_, well, it doesnt recieve any client requests
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| 12:46 | <Alexandre_> ogra: so what i need to do?
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| 12:47 | <ogra> Sunborne, unless you tweaked the client chroot you use ldm on the clients ... you can switch to unencrypted XDMCP transport and make it se kdm from the server, but that wont support sound or local devices
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| 12:47 | Alexandre_, check twice the client network is attached to the right interface
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| 12:48 | you should at least see the client asking for the IP
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| 12:48 | <Alexandre_> Sunborne: can i see your files in this site http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/ ?!?!!?
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| 12:49 | <ogra> Sunborne, by forcing SCREEN_07=startx in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf you can enable the insecure XDMCP transport in ltsp5
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| 12:49 | just add that line to the default file
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| 12:50 | we're working on an autologin feature for gutsy atm
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| 12:51 | <Sunborne> Haven't tweaked the client chroot, but I managed to get rid of the yellow ubuntu login screen and get the nice blue Kubuntu one instead. So I thought I was using kdm at that point.
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| 12:51 | <ogra> Sunborne, how did you manage that ?
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| 12:52 | also note that kdm is known to have had issues with networked X in the past, i'm not sure thats fuly fixed yet
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| 12:52 | <Sunborne> I documented what I did but I gotta pull the doc up. gimme a sec.
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| 12:53 | <ogra> since you want autologin any users wont see it anyway i'd suggest to use gdm for such stuff
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| 12:54 | (but indeed it might be that kdm is fixed over time, gnome user here, so i'm not following kde development)
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| 12:54 | <Sunborne> I did a SCREEN_7=startx in lts.conf
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| 12:55 | <ogra> ah, then you are using the servers KDM
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| 12:55 | likely a kdm prob then
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| 12:55 | <Sunborne> be right back...
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| 13:06 | <Sunborne> if I use gdm can I still auto-login into a KDE environment? KDE is spec'd in the project requirements, plus I'm in love with the kiosktool.
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| 13:07 | <ogra> sure
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| 13:07 | its just the display manager you change
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| 13:09 | <Sunborne> I think all I have to do is pull out the screen_07 line.
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| 13:09 | <ogra> no
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| 13:09 | install gdm on the server and set it up for autologin
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| 13:09 | <Sunborne> aptitude install gdm?
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| 13:10 | <ogra> dropping the SCREEN_07 will switch back to ldm
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| 13:10 | right
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| 13:11 | <Sunborne> will try it and get back to U... thanks! May need some help on gdm autologin but I'll try to figure it out myself first.
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| 13:15 | <ogra> Sunborne, edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom (not gdm.conf, that gets overwritten on upgrades) and change these options: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24282/
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| 13:18 | <Sunborne> Got the link ogra. looks cool. thanks!
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| 16:53 | <mischko> Just installed LTSP on an Ubuntu box and got it running. Things are easier these days than they used to be!
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| 16:54 | I'm noticing that it's quite a bit slower doing screen refreshes than it was when I had the client box set up as an Ubuntu box and had it XDMCP boot off the server. Why is that?
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| 17:02 | <sutula> mischko: All the traffic goes through an ssh tunnel. The client and server are having to encrypt/decrypt
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| 17:02 | <mischko> sutula, Can I turn that off?
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| 17:03 | <sutula> mischko: I understand they are working on a DIRECTX option to turn it off, but it may not be done yet. I just went back to using XDMCP. Just a sec
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| 17:04 | mischko: On the server, in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, use:
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| 17:05 | SCREEN_07 = startx
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| 17:05 | mischko: Of course, be warned about XDMCP lack of security
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| 17:05 | <mischko> sutula, this is a home network. I'm not worried about xdmcp security.
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| 17:05 | Thanks! I'll try that.
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| 17:06 | <sutula> mischko: My setup is the same, with very old (slow) clients, so I was happy doing that as well
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| 17:06 | <mischko> Changing that line does not require restarting anything on the server, right?
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| 17:06 | <sutula> mischko: right
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| 17:06 | mischko: Client reboot
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| 17:06 | <mischko> Cool. I'll disappear while I reboot and hopefully things will "just work"!
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| 17:30 | <mischko> Hey, I have a ethernet card that I think is one of DisklessWorkstation.com's AOpen AON-325's but I'm not sure. What chipset is on those? There is no removable ROM chip on this card so I'm thinking maybe not?
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| 17:32 | <sutula> mischko: You made it back...are you XDMCP'ing?
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| 17:33 | <mischko> sutula, yes. It's quicker!
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| 17:33 | Thanks again.
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| 17:33 | <sutula> mischko: Great...I don't know anything about the cards, unfortunately
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| 17:33 | <mischko> I wonder if I can boot a workstation and make it run PostgreSQL, and other packages?
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| 17:33 | np on the card. I doubt it's the right one because it doesn't have a boot ROM.
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| 17:34 | <sutula> mischko: I know you can, as long as long as it has the RAM (or you enable swap) for whatever you're trying to run
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| 17:34 | mischko: Stuff to be run on the client needs to be installed in the chroot
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| 17:34 | <mischko> sutula, yup. I'm not clear on how to do that.
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| 17:35 | <sutula> mischko: The chroot env is "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386" on the server...poke around and install packages in there
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| 17:36 | <mischko> sutula, I'll play with it. Thanks!
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| 17:40 | <mischko> I
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| 17:40 | I'd want local hard drive for some packages.
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