IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 31 January 2012 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <stgraber> ok, I figured out the problem with autoreconf
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| 00:00 | it doesn't run: intltoolize --automake --copy --force
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| 00:00 | if I run "intltoolize --automake --copy --force" and then "autoreconf -i -f", it works and ./configure works too
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| 00:00 | anyway, best to just call the upstream autogen.sh
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| 00:01 | <vagrantc> upstream autogen.sh doesn't work properly if the files are already there ... i think.
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| 00:01 | i.e. with builds made with mkdst
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| 00:02 | we're doing --force with most things, maybe we should --force them all
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| 00:02 | i thhink that's the essential difference
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| 00:02 | <stgraber> running autogen.sh multiple times doesn't seem to exit 1 here and configure still seems to work after that
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| 00:03 | <vagrantc> yes, but it doesn't actually re-run all the commands ... i.e. if you've got an outdated copy, it won't update it
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| 00:06 | ok, so glad to finally resolve that ... can't upload today ... but maybe later this week
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| 00:18 | <vagrantc> stgraber: ok, well, seems to hang waiting for password ... but i think ssh-hostchecker was borked.
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| 00:18 | er, just not marked executable
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| 00:19 | <stgraber> right, that wouldn't help
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> i think the exec /bin/sh thiing didn't work
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| 00:22 | * vagrantc vaugely recalls trying that one before | |
| 00:23 | <stgraber> should be easy enough to revert and test at least
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| 00:25 | <vagrantc> doing so
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| 00:26 | <stgraber> hmm, I can't find anything wrong with it trying by hand when connecting to a server
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| 00:26 | and it has the intended effect (one less bash running)
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| 00:27 | <vagrantc> maybe soemthing else is broken
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| 00:28 | nothing like actually doing it, though
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| 00:34 | huh. did my post to ltsp-discuss (regarding nvidia vanta) not go through?
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| 00:36 | stgraber: well, i think the ssh-hostchecker doesn't worrk
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| 00:39 | stgraber: it seems to only be putting the rsa key into /var/run/ldm/ssh_known_hosts ... i tried disabling non-rsa, but that doesn't seem to help either
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| 00:48 | ah, think i might have figured it out...
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| 00:52 | <vagrantc> we were passing ssh -o GlobalKnownHostsFile /var/run/ldm/ssh_known_hosts and i think we need GlobalKnownHostsFile=/var/run/ldm/ssh_known_hosts
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| 00:52 | so it doesn't think it's an argument to ssh
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| 00:52 | * vagrantc rebuilds and tries | |
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| 00:56 | <vagrantc> that was it!
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| 00:59 | now testing with alkisg's exec patch
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| 01:04 | exec trick works too
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| 01:04 | <map7> When I used to create ltsp client images for mythbuntu it setup an overlay section, now that I'm using a 'fat-client' setup is it possible to have an overlay cache for client data?
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| 01:10 | <vagrantc> fix to ldm-trunk pushed... gotta run!
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| 06:43 | <vagrantc> doh. didn't push my ldm-trunk changes till now...
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| 07:19 | * alkisg finally stabilized getting thumbnails while changing groups in epoptes... only multiple client selection for dragging to groups remains till the next release | |
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| 13:00 | <piet> Hi everybody: is anybody here, who has expieriences in setting up the ltsp-client to use network-printers? . . .
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| 13:02 | my canon works fine with other networkclients. Even the scanner works via net with ltsp. But the Printer doesnt show up. . . .
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| 13:03 | Install of original canon drivers in chroot of ltsp looked ok. . .
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> Are you talking about thin or about fat clients?
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| 13:03 | ..or localapps?
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| 13:04 | <piet> momentary a fat-client . . .
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| 13:04 | does the printer has to show up in the printer-list after that installation?
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> All those are different... thin clients see whatever printer the server sees
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| 13:05 | For fat clients, you can e.g. enable printer sharing on the ltsp server, and add any network printers there
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| 13:05 | <piet> I mean presently on that fat client
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> Fat clients automatically see any cups-published network printers
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| 13:06 | <piet> and locally?
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> What do you mean locally? A local printer attached to the fat client?
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| 13:07 | E.g. via usb?
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| 13:08 | <piet> sorry no I mean showing up as a printer when it is installed in the fat clients image with the canon printer driver . . .
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| 13:09 | that should install client-side the use of the network printer . . .
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| 13:09 | basically it does on a normal network-station.
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> LTSP publishes the printer as a jetdesk printer, see lts.conf => PRINTER_0_DEVICE etc
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| 13:09 | Now if you want to use cups instead,
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| 13:10 | then you would enable printer sharing in the chroot, in /etc/cups/something
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| 13:10 | There's cupsctl for this too
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| 13:12 | <piet> and what is the best way in Ur opinion to have the less work for the future?
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> To install any network printers in your server, and then share them with cups, so that fat clients see them automatically :)
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| 13:14 | <piet> @ alskisg: thanks for Ur help. Even the other day with the <lts.conf> not been seen by the client. Only a restart was missing after that it worked.
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| 13:36 | * _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat | |
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| 16:34 | <rwmarch> Is _UsUrPeR around here today?
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| 19:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> rwmarch: ping?
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| 19:54 | <rwmarch> Hello
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| 19:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> rwmarch: I see above you tried to get hold of me at 11:33
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| 19:55 | did I answer all your questions?
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| 19:56 | <rwmarch> Yes, thank you. That was when I ws trying to track you down. And I am in contact with Alex also.
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| 20:02 | <Eric75> Hi all, is there anyone that can help me with a display resolution problem I am having? Spent the last couple days researching but came in empty handed
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| 20:04 | I'm trying to start rdesktop using the rdesktop screen script. rdesktop starts and connects but i don't have a full screen
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| 20:04 | should maximize automatically but doens't for some reason
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| 20:05 | my client is an Dell Optiplex GX520 with an Intel 945G video adapter
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| 20:08 | anyone?
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| 20:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> Eric75: pastebin your lts.conf please
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| 20:09 | also, what version of ubuntu are you hosting your LTSP server on?
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| 20:09 | <Eric75> ok, will do
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| 20:09 | 11.10
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| 20:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, let's see that lts.conf
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| 20:10 | <stgraber> vagrantc: so did you get ldm to work with that change to the ssh parameters?
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| 20:10 | <rwmarch> I was looking for you because you were the one who told me about the LVDS issue and sent me the script.
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| 20:10 | <Eric75> http://pastebin.com/42UdLDSA
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| 20:12 | _UsUrPeR_: You'll notice i also have SCREEN_02 for VMware view, that is the main app i'm trying to setup but rdesktop is giving me the same problem
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| 20:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> Eric75: ok, I see what's going on.
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| 20:13 | err at least I hope so :)
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| 20:13 | lemme pastebin a rdesktop config to you
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| 20:13 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: ok
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| 20:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> Eric75, http://pastebin.com/Pu1CJpZL
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| 20:14 | there you go
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| 20:15 | when rdesktop is called in a "screen" script like that, it actually starts a script located on the LTSP client image
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| 20:15 | so putting extra inputs after the "rdesktop" causes some major problems.
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| 20:16 | <Eric75> ok let me that change
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> stgraber: yeah, i had it working, didn't have time to test all the other features ...
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| 20:17 | stgraber: i'd like to re-implement the hostchecker as an ssh proxycommand that's configurable
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| 20:17 | stgraber: but maybe for a later release
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| 20:21 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: made the change as suggested but now only a cursor comes up, no login screen which i was getting before.
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| 20:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> eric75: ok, I want you to add "screen_04 = shell" to your lts.conf
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| 20:22 | <Eric75> _UsUrPer_: ok
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| 20:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> reboot your client
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> stgraber: that would make it easier too set up a custom hook if people want to implement it more securely and whatnot.
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| 20:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> enter the shell after reboot
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| 20:23 | and try to ping your Windows server
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| 20:24 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: but i was able to connect to my server before we made the change to the lts.conf
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| 20:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> I am not sure why that was. What I *DO* know is: if you cannot ping your server with your ltsp client, then there's a routing issue
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| 20:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> if you can ping the server with the client from shell, then I have no idea what's wrong ;)
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| 20:26 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: ok, removed the "" before and after the server name in the lts.conf it connects now
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| 20:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> what, seriously? :)
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| 20:27 | that's surprising.
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| 20:27 | but it seemed like a resolution issue of some sort
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| 20:27 | Eric75: is it working for you properly now?
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| 20:27 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: yes, but my resolution is at best 640x480
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| 20:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O
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| 20:27 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: occupies top left corner of my screen
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| 20:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> if you were to boot the client to a normal LDM login screen, would it appear normally?
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| 20:28 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: i agree but i can't figure this one out. driving me crazy
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| 20:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> you could have an LVDS issue...
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| 20:28 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: lets try that
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| 20:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> Eric75: ok, well here then. a quick test -- open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 20:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> add video=LVDS-1:d to the end of the line that starts with "append ro"
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| 20:30 | so that it looks like this: append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=2000 video=LVDS-1:d
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| 20:31 | <Eric75> append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdname=ltsp_i386
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| 20:31 | that's what i have
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| 20:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 20:31 | make it looks like this:
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| 20:31 | append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdname=ltsp_i386 video=LVDS-1:d
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| 20:31 | Eric75, ^^
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| 20:33 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: LDM opened up in full screen
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| 20:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> so this is a good thing, right?
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| 20:33 | <Eric75> without making that change
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| 20:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm.
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| 20:34 | what ver of Windows are you attempting to connect to with rdesktop?
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| 20:35 | <Eric75> 2003 although i don't think it makes a difference just because i'm having the same issue with the other app
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| 20:35 | i get the same resolution on both
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| 20:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> that's quite strange
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| 20:36 | if you were to actually log in to ltsp
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| 20:36 | and open a terminal session
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| 20:36 | and run "ltsp-localapps rdesktop -f <servername>" what happens?
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| 20:37 | <Eric75> ok, one sec
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| 20:38 | full screen
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| 20:38 | hmm
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| 20:38 | problem with xinit?
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| 20:40 | _UsUrPeR_: this way we're launching rdesktop from the server instead of the client, right?
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| 20:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> correct
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| 20:40 | err no
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| 20:40 | localapps = client
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| 20:41 | if you were to exclude "ltsp-localapps" from that line I gave you, THEN you would be running from the server
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| 20:41 | <Eric75> ok , so it runs from within LDM but not via xinit
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| 20:41 | question is why?
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| 20:45 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I was almost going to blame you for breaking ldm trunk but that was just a LP glitch making the automatic build fail ;)
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> stgraber: hah
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| 20:46 | <stgraber> which reminds me I should update the packaging to use Debian's and have these build also run for Precise
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| 20:46 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: any more suggestions?
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| 20:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber / vagrantc : any suggestions pertaining to rdesktop and Eric75?
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| 20:47 | I am tapped :/
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| 20:47 | it does not appear to be LVDS
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| 20:47 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: thanks for trying, appreciate that
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i recently updated my packaging branch for ldm to reflect most of the changes you suggested, and some other stuff i needed to build.
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| 20:47 | stgraber: i *thiink* it should be viable for you to use as a base for an upload.
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| 20:48 | stgraber: or i might be able to upload friday
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| 20:48 | stgraber: if you'd rather get on the sync train
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| 20:48 | Eric75: sorry, my rdesktop knowledge is minimal
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| 20:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> Eric75: oh, one more thing.
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| 20:49 | one second
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| 20:49 | <Eric75> vagrantc: i don't think its an rdesktop issue specifically
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| 20:49 | <vagrantc> just X issues?
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| 20:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> Eric75: try adding the following to lts.conf below RDP_SERVER line:
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| 20:50 | <Eric75> vagrantc: yes that is my guess because the same problem is happening for multiple apps
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| 20:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> "RDP_OPTIONS = "-f"
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| 20:50 | * vagrantc is behind on reading backscroll too | |
| 20:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> err ignore that first quote :)
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| 20:50 | it could be that for some reason, fullscreen is being ignored
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| 20:51 | though how that is happening is beyond me
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| 20:51 | that is assumed by the init script still in 11.10 I believe.
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| 20:54 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: bingo
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| 20:54 | _UsUrPeR_: the -f switch did it
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| 20:54 | doesn't explain why my other app doesn't work though, :(
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| 20:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> Eric75: that doesn't explain a lot of stuff
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| 20:57 | because -f *used* to be a default for the "rdesktop" screen script
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| 20:58 | <Eric75> _UsUrPeR_: probably a problem with my script
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| 20:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have to admit: I have steered clear of 11.10 because I think the UI is garbage, but I have had to test with it.
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| 20:58 | <Eric75> will have to review that
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| 20:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> Eric75: happy to help
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| 21:22 | <bixter> does anyone have expeirence with mythbuntu and ltsp? i changed my backend and cant figure out how to update config.xml
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| 21:28 | <||cw> config.xml in the client image?
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| 21:30 | <bixter> its a configuration file that is being set somehow. does ltsp have a way to run scripts as a client boots??
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| 21:31 | <||cw> hm. I wonder. is it possible to make up your own "settings" in lts.conf? would they show up in RCFILE's as env vars?
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| 21:31 | bixter: yes it does. you can put in your own scripts and exec them using the RCFILE options
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| 21:32 | I've not used myth with ltsp so i don't know what magic it does.
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| 21:32 | possible it uses these, or a custom SCREEN script
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| 21:32 | <bixter> is there a conf file to figure out what rc files it is executing
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| 21:34 | craziest thing is there is no lts.conf that I can find on the system
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| 21:35 | <||cw> lts.conf
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| 21:35 | hm
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| 21:36 | should be in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 21:38 | <bixter> yeah....
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| 21:38 | im going to hack it. figure I would try the "right way" but I cant find a thing. thanks!
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| 21:38 | <||cw> it's also possible that myth isn't using the normal ltsp packages and is doing its own thing.
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| 21:38 | so you might have to ask them
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