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Channel log from 21 August 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:28 | <johnny> so.. what cli utility can execute a .desktop file?
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| 00:29 | kinda wondering how we can provide a list that can override the Exec on a per user basis
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| 00:29 | such as to prepend our local apps starter
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| 00:33 | <vagrantc> we'll see it when we see it.
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| 00:37 | <warren> starter?
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| 00:37 | sent mail to ltsp-devel
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| 00:38 | <johnny> hmm.. warren.. i'm not sure you're gonna like our current patterns..
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| 00:38 | genkernel-$arch-$name
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| 00:38 | <warren> johnny: are your patterns based on gentoo's standard pattersn?
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| 00:38 | johnny: what do your arch names look like?
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| 00:39 | <johnny> there is no gentoo standard pattern, unless genkernel is used;which it is by default for ltsp kernels anyways
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| 00:39 | but there is no standard gentoo pattern
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| 00:39 | <warren> whaaaa
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| 00:39 | that makes little sense
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| 00:39 | <dberkholz> what?
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| 00:39 | <warren> dberkholz: see ltsp-devel
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| 00:39 | johnny: the code I had in mind, might be difficult to have an $arch in the name...
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| 00:39 | <johnny> warren, ltsp we are using gentokernel
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| 00:40 | <warren> johnny: what do your arch names look like?
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| 00:40 | i386?
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| 00:40 | x86_64
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| 00:40 | ppc
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| 00:40 | ppc64
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| 00:40 | etc.
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| 00:40 | <johnny> x86,amd64,ppc,pp64,x86bsd
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| 00:40 | <dberkholz> x86, amd64, ppc, sparc, etc
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| 00:40 | <warren> argh
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| 00:40 | <johnny> sparc
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| 00:40 | <warren> your arch names are different from glibc
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| 00:40 | <johnny> setarch will provide the proper names tho
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| 00:41 | <dberkholz> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/arch.list?view=markup has the full list
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| 00:41 | <warren> I mean, your archnames in those patterns will be different from glibc
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| 00:41 | johnny: please reply to my message with concrete examples of what your files look like
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| 00:42 | perhaps I need to make the clenaup script not mandatory...
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| 00:42 | <johnny> i wouldn't mind it ...
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| 00:42 | to have it i mean
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| 00:42 | <warren> yeah, but your patterns are very screwballish
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| 00:42 | johnny: oh
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| 00:42 | <johnny> uggh.. lemme try again
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| 00:43 | <warren> johnny: in our case arch is included within $NAME
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| 00:43 | <johnny> your cleanup script is a good idea
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| 00:43 | <warren> johnny: vmlinuz-2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i586
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| 00:43 | johnny: /lib/modules/2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i586
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| 00:43 | is arch within $NAME?
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| 00:43 | in your case?
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| 00:43 | <johnny> no..
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| 00:43 | <warren> could you make it?
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| 00:43 | =)
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| 00:43 | that simplifies things a lot
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| 00:43 | and in general it makes it easier for the distro to debug stuff...
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| 00:44 | <johnny> i think just using whatever is in /lib/modules as a pattern would work
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| 00:44 | <dberkholz> here's what i've got for a kernel name: kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.25-gentoo-r7. then there's lib/modules/2.6.25-gentoo-r7
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| 00:44 | <warren> what are the actual filenames that get dumped into /var/lib/tftpboot/i386 ?
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| 00:44 | <johnny> what he said and initramfs-genkernel-26.6.25-gentoo-r7
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| 00:45 | err.. not 26 :)
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| 00:45 | not yet :)
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| 00:45 | <dberkholz> initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.25-gentoo-r7 is what i have
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| 00:45 | with the arch tagged in there
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| 00:45 | <warren> sigh
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| 00:45 | you should really consider adding arch to $name
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| 00:45 | =)
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| 00:45 | <johnny> why not just use the pattern as whatever is in lib/modules ?
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| 00:45 | <warren> seriously
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| 00:46 | johnny: because it would still be missing the arch
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| 00:46 | <johnny> sure.. but a simple regex would solve that
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| 00:46 | <warren> so you're OK with
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| 00:46 | rm -f initramfs-genkernel-*-$NAME
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| 00:47 | as long as you're OK with wildcards, then I'll add it.
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| 00:47 | anyway, reply to that mail
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| 00:47 | <johnny> dberkholz, any reason why we wouldn't be ok?
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| 00:47 | <warren> i'm heading to sleep
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| 00:47 | <dberkholz> cross-arch support is basically nonexistent, and even if it did exist, i'd be fine with updating them all at once
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| 00:47 | <johnny> i don't see why it matterse.. i don't see how an entire chroot isn't going to be tied to an arch
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| 00:47 | err tied to more than one arch
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| 00:48 | <dberkholz> 64bit kernel, 32 userland
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| 00:48 | weird but done
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| 00:48 | anyway, bed for me too
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| 00:48 | <warren> fedora servers could host several archs...
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| 00:48 | ok night
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| 00:48 | reply to my mail
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| 00:48 | i need those patterns in records
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| 00:49 | * johnny thinks every group needs a warren.. keeps us on our toes :) | |
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| 01:45 | <vagrantc> hmmm... well, looks like i figured out how to configure rsyslog for remote reception ... i must not have had it working client-side last time i tried.
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| 01:48 | seems to be much slower than remote syslogging used to be ... the kernel logs take forever...
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| 05:03 | <vlt> Hello. Is there any redundacy setup possible when using LTSP5? Which direction should I look for a solution that lets me replace a failed LTSP server in realtime (maybe w/o clients noticing at all)?
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| 05:03 | <ogra> google for milleXterm
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| 05:03 | they build such stuff on top of ltsp5
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| 05:04 | <vlt> ogra: Thanks
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| 05:13 | <cyberorg> ogra, was ldm shutdown behavior finally changed to use normal shutdown?
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| 05:19 | <ogra> cyberorg, i want it to be telinit <runlevel>
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| 05:19 | but that hasnt happened yet
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| 05:20 | <cyberorg> ok, telinit should work here too, using that would probably help doing clean umount of nbdroot for us
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| 05:24 | <wathek> hello all
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| 05:25 | I've a DHCP server that gives IP to my network clients and is it possible to install LTSP in an other computer and to disable the DHCP ? so my DHCP server gives the IP and then my second Server will be the LTSP ?
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| 05:25 | <ogra> you need full access to the existing dhcpd to set it up for netbooting
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| 05:26 | <wathek> ogra, ah !
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| 05:26 | <ogra> (i.e. you need to be able to change the config there)
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| 05:26 | <wathek> it's my acess point !
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| 05:26 | <ogra> if it can do netbooting ....
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| 05:26 | <wathek> ogra, my access point that gives IP to the netwrok
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| 05:27 | <johnny> you're prolly gonna have to disable it there
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| 05:27 | <ogra> alternatively have a server with two NICs (which s also our propsed setup)
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| 05:27 | <johnny> or that :)
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| 05:27 | <ogra> or disable it on the AP like johnny says and use just the ltsp server's dhcp
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| 05:27 | <wathek> there are no netbooting options in my AP
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| 05:27 | yep gonna do that
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| 05:29 | it takes a while ltsp-build-client command !
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| 05:29 | <ogra> indeed
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| 05:30 | <wathek> :)
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| 05:31 | is it possible to install the system after netbooting on it ?
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> win 1
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| 09:08 | heh, morning all
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| 09:12 | <Q-FUNK> !s
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| 09:12 | <ltspbot> Q-FUNK: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:12 | <ogra> lose 2 :)
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| 09:12 | morning sbalneav
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> hey hey!
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| 09:15 | So, I wonder what's hanging up the X session so that the kill $PPID 1 is needed....
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| 09:15 | Hmmmm....
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| 10:02 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq!
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:12 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 10:17 | <wathek___> my dhcp server doesn't start :( this is my configuration : http://pastebin.com/m6af7e380
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| 10:17 | any help please ?
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| 10:18 | <ogra> #
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| 10:18 | subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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| 10:18 | #
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| 10:18 | range 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.200;
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| 10:18 | ??
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| 10:18 | that cant work
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| 10:18 | <wathek___> oops
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| 10:18 | I forget to change that
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| 10:19 | ogra, same problem
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| 10:19 | it fails to start
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| 10:20 | <ogra> but you have set up a static interface in the 192.168.1.0 network ?
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| 10:20 | <wathek> sure
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| 10:20 | <ogra> and its up and running ?
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| 10:20 | <wathek> ogra, my LTSP has 192.168.1.50 ip
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| 10:21 | <ogra> well, then the dhcpd should work if everything in your config is set up for 192.168.1.
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| 10:21 | what distro is that ?
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| 10:21 | <wathek> ubuntu
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| 10:21 | Hardy Heron
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| 10:22 | <ogra> and you change the file in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, right ?
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| 10:22 | <wathek> yes
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| 10:22 | <ogra> can you put the output of ifconfig -a to the pastebot ?
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| 10:22 | !pastebot
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| 10:23 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:23 | <ogra> and did you chaneg anything else ?
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| 10:23 | apart from the dhcpd.conf ?
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| 10:23 | <wathek> ok
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| 10:24 | ogra, gimme a sec please
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| 10:24 | <ltsppbot> "wathek" pasted "eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWadd" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/48
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| 10:24 | <wathek> ;)
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| 10:24 | <ogra> that looks ok
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| 10:25 | you fixed the range option in dhcpd.conf ?
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| 10:25 | <wathek> ogra, I'm reconfiguring dhcp
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| 10:25 | <wathek> option routers is for the gateway ?
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| 10:25 | <ogra> ??
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| 10:25 | reconfiguring ?
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| 10:26 | routers doesnt patter for starting it
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| 10:26 | *matter
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| 10:26 | <wathek> shit !
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| 10:26 | <ogra> and wont have any effect for the thin clients
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| 10:26 | <wathek> ogra, it doesn't start !
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| 10:27 | <ogra> what exactly did you do now ?
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| 10:27 | <wathek> ogra, this is what I did :
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| 10:27 | * ogra wonders why wathek didnt just pick the right IP for the interface as the howto says | |
| 10:28 | <ogra> instead of poking around in the dhcpd.conf
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| 10:28 | <wathek> ok gonna try some thing else
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| 10:28 | <ogra> what exactly did you do until now ?
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| 10:28 | <wathek> gonna follow the howto
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| 10:28 | ogra, this is my dhcp config file
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| 10:28 | <ogra> thats a bit late now
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| 10:28 | so lets see that we get the messed up setup right
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| 10:29 | <ltsppbot> "wathek" pasted "ddns-update-style none; option" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/49
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| 10:29 | <wathek> that's it
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| 10:29 | <ogra> urgh
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| 10:30 | that doesnt look at all like the default ltsp file
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| 10:30 | <wathek> yes I wanted just to get a working dhcp server
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| 10:30 | and then adding what ltsp need
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| 10:30 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 10:30 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 10:30 | <ogra> if you had followed the QickInstall guide ....
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| 10:31 | anyway
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| 10:31 | that setup should still work with the interface as you have set it up
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| 10:31 | unless you changed any other stuff
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| 10:31 | <wathek> no
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| 10:32 | <ogra> put these into the subnet declaration:
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| 10:32 | option domain-name "east.org";
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| 10:32 | option domain-name-servers 193.95.66.10;
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| 10:32 | and wipe the rest
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| 10:32 | (eevrything above "subnet")
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| 10:33 | <ogra> oh, they are in the subnet declaration anyway
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| 10:33 | so just wie the stuff at the top
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| 10:33 | <wathek> ok
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| 10:33 | <ogra> whats the error you get in the logfile ?
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| 10:34 | <ogra> keep the "authoritative;"
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| 10:34 | <wathek> ogra, what's strange is that in the /var/log/messages there is nothing
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| 10:34 | <ogra> there should be
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| 10:34 | anything in syslog or daemon.log ?
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| 10:34 | <wathek> ah it's in the syslog
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| 10:36 | Aug 21 17:26:35 Wathek dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0 (192.168.1.50).
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| 10:36 | Aug 21 17:26:35 Wathek dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
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| 10:38 | that's what's written in my syslog
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| 10:41 | <ogra> grep ltsp /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
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| 10:41 | <wathek> # Allow ltsp to override
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| 10:42 | if [ -f /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ]; then
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| 10:42 | CONFIG_FILE=/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.con
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| 10:42 | je pourrais copier ce fichier a la place de mon fichier ?
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| 10:42 | <wathek> oops sorry
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| 10:43 | ogra, so ?
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| 10:44 | <ogra> that all looks fine
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| 10:45 | CONFIG_FILE=/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.con has an f at the end i suppose
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| 10:46 | and the file you edited and psted is also definately /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf right ?
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| 10:46 | <wathek> ogra, yes
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| 10:46 | that's that
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| 10:46 | ogra, sorry
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| 10:46 | <wathek> the file I pasted was /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
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| 10:46 | <ogra> aha
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| 10:46 | :)
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| 10:46 | then it cant work
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| 10:47 | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf overrides that
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| 10:47 | <wathek> ah cool then
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| 10:47 | ogra, do I've to reconfigure that file ?
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| 10:47 | <ogra> open it with vi
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| 10:47 | <wathek> done
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| 10:47 | <ogra> type:
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| 10:47 | :%s/192.168.0/192.168.1/g
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| 10:48 | then
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| 10:48 | :wq
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| 10:48 | restart dhcpd
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| 10:48 | <wathek> it's ok
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| 10:48 | <dumpzk> hi, channel
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| 10:48 | <wathek> it started
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| 10:48 | <ogra> cool
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| 10:48 | <wathek> alright let's try LTSP now
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| 10:48 | <ogra> if you make any odifications, be careful ;)
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| 10:49 | <wathek> cool it detects my dhcp server
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| 10:49 | <dumpzk> my name is daniel, come from a college from the philippines. i am considering deploy edubuntu at our college.
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| 10:49 | <ogra> cool
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| 10:50 | <dumpzk> i am looking for some advices on choosing terminal station, any idea ?
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| 10:50 | <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer
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| 10:50 | <wathek> ogra, it says TFTP open timeout !
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| 10:50 | <ogra> wathek, do you have any other dhcp server in that network currently running ?
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| 10:50 | <wathek> no
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| 10:51 | ogra, I stopped my AP DHCP server
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| 10:51 | <ogra> and did you run ltsp-build-client ?
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| 10:51 | <wathek> yes
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| 10:51 | <ogra> ls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 10:51 | does that contain any files ?
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| 10:51 | <dumpzk> may i ask a very basic question ? is it possible to use a same config for thin client using diffrent cpu arch, and diffrent video card ?
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| 10:52 | <wathek> ogra, yes it contains the vmlinuz and the inittrd and many other files
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| 10:52 | <ogra> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf <- does that return a line not starting with # ?
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| 10:52 | <dumpzk> coz, our budget is very tight, we are considering to ask donation from the community
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| 10:52 | <wathek> yes
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| 10:52 | <ogra> dumpzk, configure the videocards during boot
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| 10:52 | <wathek> ogra, it's ok no # in the beginig
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| 10:52 | <ogra> *it confgures
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| 10:53 | <dumpzk> but not sure will diffrent pc can work together on a same network .
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| 10:53 | <ogra> if its all PCs it will just work
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| 10:53 | <dumpzk> orga, do i need to config it everytime it boot ?
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| 10:53 | <ogra> ltsp does that automatically
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| 10:53 | <dumpzk> do the config on every computer ?
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| 10:53 | <ogra> but yes it does that every boot ... you dont need to do anything
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| 10:54 | its all automatic
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| 10:54 | <dumpzk> so, zero administrative tasks ?
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| 10:54 | set and forget ?
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| 10:54 | <ogra> for 90% of the hardware, yes
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| 10:54 | for the 10% where it doesnt work you can manually set up configs if you need
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| 10:55 | <dumpzk> manually set is ok, can it be saved on the server ?
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| 10:55 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:55 | it must be saved on the server :)
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| 10:55 | <dumpzk> cool, thanks a lot ogra.
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| 10:55 | <ogra> if you run into any problems, drop by here, we can help
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| 10:56 | <dumpzk> and we will have some cash donation coming in, do you think we should buy dedicated think-client terminal station ? or pc ?
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| 10:56 | <ogra> wathek, try rebooting the ltsp server
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| 10:56 | dumpzk, you can get thin clients vers cheap on ebay, i would put as much money into the server as yu can
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| 10:56 | Ram is essential
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| 10:57 | s/vers/very
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| 10:57 | <dumpzk> which brand and model do you suggest ?
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| 10:57 | for thin clients
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| 10:57 | and how cheap it should be ?
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| 10:58 | <wathek> ogra, it's ok I had to change the config file of tftp
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| 10:58 | :D
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| 10:59 | it works now
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| 10:59 | :D
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| 10:59 | <ogra> good :)
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| 10:59 | <wathek> ogra, the kernel has been loaded
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| 10:59 | <ogra> dumpzk, something like 500Mhz/128M should be fine
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| 10:59 | <wathek> I get the Ubuntu booting screen
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| 10:59 | :D
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| 11:00 | ogra, thanx a lot guy
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| 11:00 | it doesn't boot
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| 11:00 | <ogra> ?
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| 11:00 | where does it stop ?
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| 11:01 | <wathek> I get BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) buitl-in shell(ash)
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| 11:01 | enter help for a list of built in commands
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| 11:01 | and then I've (initramfs)
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| 11:02 | <ogra> hmm
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| 11:02 | is your image there ?
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| 11:02 | (in /opt/ltsp/images )
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| 11:02 | <wathek> which one ?
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| 11:03 | ah I suppose so
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| 11:03 | there's i386.img
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| 11:03 | <ogra> ok
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| 11:03 | <wathek> 159 Mo
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| 11:03 | <ogra> grep nbrdootd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 11:03 | err
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| 11:03 | grep nbdrootd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 11:04 | <wathek> 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 11:04 | <ogra> looks fine
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| 11:06 | edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and drop splash from the line
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| 11:06 | that will give you more info abotu the bootprocess and show possible errors
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| 11:07 | <wathek> ok
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| 11:07 | ogra, I reboot the client
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| 11:09 | ogra, alright
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| 11:09 | so
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| 11:10 | it shows me the Ip-Config of eth0
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| 11:11 | the address, broadcast, netmask, gateway, dns, dns1 and domain
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| 11:11 | <ogra> then it should negotiate the nbd setup
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| 11:11 | <wathek> and it says rootserver : 192.168.1.50 rootpath : /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:11 | filename : /ltsp/i386/nbi.img
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| 11:12 | and after that it says Error : Connect : connection refused
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| 11:12 | <ogra> aha
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| 11:12 | <wathek> and can't mount the /rofs and /root/dev and /sys/ and /proc
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| 11:12 | <ogra> your nbdrootd doesnt start by whatever reason
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| 11:12 | <wathek> it says no Such File or directory
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| 11:12 | <ogra> thats only fallout of the first error
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| 11:12 | <wathek> nbdrootd
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| 11:13 | <ogra> Error : Connect : connection refused is the one you want to fix
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| 11:13 | <wathek> yes
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| 11:13 | <ogra> is your inetd running ?
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| 11:13 | <wathek> let me check
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| 11:14 | ogra, there's something strange
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| 11:14 | #<off># tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftp
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| 11:14 | <ogra> thats definately wrong
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| 11:14 | <wathek> ogra, that's in my /etc/inetd.conf
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| 11:14 | <ogra> did you install any non standard inetd ?
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| 11:14 | by default ubuntu uses openbsd-inetd
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| 11:15 | <wathek> ii openbsd-inetd 0.20050402-6 The OpenBSD Internet Superserver
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| 11:15 | ii update-inetd 4.27-0.6 inetd.conf updater
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| 11:15 | I've the default inetd
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| 11:17 | ogra
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| 11:17 | look at this
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| 11:17 | <ltsppbot> "wathek" pasted "tux@Wathek:/opt/ltsp/images$ s" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/50
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| 11:17 | <ogra> thats fine
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| 11:18 | we dont use the nbd-server config, dont start it by hand
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| 11:18 | images are served by nbdrootd
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| 11:18 | <wathek> ogra, I stop it then ?
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| 11:18 | ogra, I've no nbdrootd !
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| 11:18 | <ogra> you have ltsp-server installed :)
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| 11:18 | so you have nbdrootd
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| 11:18 | <wathek> yes
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| 11:19 | <ogra> /usr/sbin/nbdrootd
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| 11:19 | <wathek> it's ok
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| 11:19 | I got it
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| 11:19 | <ogra> you even had the inetd.conf entry for it
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| 11:19 | <wathek> yes
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| 11:20 | <ogra> i really wonder where that /srv/tftp line comes from in your inetd.conf
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| 11:20 | you obviously get tftp though
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| 11:20 | else it wouldnt boot that far
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| 11:20 | <wathek> ogra, I've installed tftp and then I uninstalled it
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| 11:20 | <ogra> tftp ot tftpd ?
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| 11:20 | *ro
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| 11:20 | <wathek> tftpd
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| 11:20 | <ogra> gah
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| 11:21 | *or
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| 11:21 | :)
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| 11:21 | <wathek> so it's ok I think !
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| 11:21 | <ogra> right, you get beyond tftp with your boot
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| 11:21 | <wathek> yes
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| 11:21 | <ogra> did you reboot the server as i asked before ?
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| 11:22 | <wathek> ogra, which server ?
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| 11:22 | <ogra> <ogra> wathek, try rebooting the ltsp server
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| 11:22 | <wathek> ah ok
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| 11:22 | <ogra> (17:56 my time)
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| 11:22 | <wathek> lol
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| 11:22 | :p
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| 11:24 | ogra, I've no deamon of ltsp in /etc/init.d
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| 11:24 | !
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| 11:24 | <ogra> but you know what reboot means ? :)
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| 11:24 | there is no daemon for ltsp :)
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| 11:24 | <wathek> all the server ?!
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| 11:24 | <ogra> right
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| 11:24 | <wathek> lol I used to reboot only demons ok
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| 11:25 | so be right back gonna reboot all the server
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| 11:25 | ;)
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| 11:32 | <wathek> ogra, I rebooted the server I'm retrying
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| 11:34 | <wathek> ogra, cool it works well
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| 11:35 | thanx a lot guys
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| 11:35 | guy
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| 11:35 | ;)
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| 11:35 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:35 | the services somethimes dont come up properly if you install it manually and not from the CD ...
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| 11:36 | <wathek> ah ok
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| 11:36 | ogra, juste one last question
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| 11:36 | ogra, how about the users ?
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| 11:36 | <ogra> i havent found out why yet, but rebooting the machine usually fixes it
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| 11:36 | create them with the gui tool on the server
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| 11:36 | and make sure to allow them to use local devcies in the second tab
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| 11:37 | <wathek> ogra, the gui tool you mean ltsp-manager ?
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| 11:37 | <ogra> no
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| 11:37 | <wathek> so ?
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| 11:37 | <ogra> ltsp-manager is only a proof of concept app
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| 11:37 | dont bother trying to use it ...
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| 11:37 | the tool the dektop has in the system menu
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| 11:38 | <wathek> ah only adduser
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| 11:38 | ok
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| 11:38 | <ogra> system->administration->users and groups
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| 11:38 | not adduser
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| 11:38 | use the gui
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| 11:38 | <wathek> ok I'm not used to use the gui
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| 11:38 | :p
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| 11:38 | <ogra> or fiddle with missing grups manually
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| 11:38 | the gui is prepared to have all groups you need
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| 11:39 | and has easy checkboxes to enable or disable stuff for the user
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| 11:39 | but indeed ouy can use adduser
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| 11:39 | and add the user to the fuse group then
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| 11:39 | <wathek> yeqs
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| 11:41 | ogra, and I've to add the user to wich groups ?
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| 11:41 | nbd ?
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| 11:41 | <ogra> adduser will add the default groups ...
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| 11:41 | additionally you need the fuse group
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| 11:41 | that should suffice
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| 11:42 | <wathek> ok
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| 11:42 | ogra, I reboot the client and retry
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| 11:42 | :D
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| 11:42 | <ogra> no need to reboot the client
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| 11:43 | <wathek> ah ok
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| 11:43 | no problem it's rebooting
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| 11:45 | <wathek> ogra, cool it works well thanx a lot
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| 11:45 | <ogra> great :)
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| 11:56 | <wathek> ogra, can't I access to the resources of the client ?
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| 11:56 | for example the hard disk
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| 11:56 | <ogra> USB keys, CDroms and audio are supported atm
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| 11:57 | <wathek> and no hard disk ?
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| 11:57 | <ogra> all removabe devices
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| 11:57 | if you have an external HDD that will work
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| 11:57 | for inetrnal HDDs you need to edit udev
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| 11:58 | (the ltsp rules in the chroot ... and then rebuild the image)
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| 11:58 | * ogra needs to go now | |
| 11:58 | <wathek> ah ok
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| 13:05 | <warren> ogra: do you know what is the ebox model number that corresponds to the LTSP Term 1000?
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| 13:09 | <etyack> warren: ebox 2300
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| 13:09 | * Lns anxiously awaits the arrival of his LTSP Term 1220 pxe | |
| 13:09 | <warren> etyack: i'm getting complaints that LTSP > 4.2 is WAY slower
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| 13:10 | etyack: I don't know what changed
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| 13:10 | <etyack> warren: on the 1000?
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| 13:10 | <warren> etyack: I never used 4.2 for many years now, but I find it hard to believe that the ebox is usable
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| 13:10 | <Lns> warren: i've heard in multiple places this is the case with the ebox...not sure which model though
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> on 4.2, the ebox was plenty fast
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| 13:10 | on 5.0 is was dog slow
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| 13:11 | <warren> after waiting a few minutes to boot, X is really really slow
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| 13:11 | <etyack> warren: it is "usable" on 4.2 and noticeably slower
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| 13:11 | did they disable ssh?
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| 13:11 | <warren> etyack: btw got my follow up mail? did it work?
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| 13:11 | <etyack> warren: got the email, been tied up with other issues
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| 13:11 | <warren> etyack: fedora has LDM_DIRECTX by default
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| 13:11 | <etyack> ohh
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| 13:12 | <warren> something else in the kernel or X changed making it way slower I guess
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| 13:12 | but we're literally talking YEARS in vintage difference from 4.2 to modern
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> I think it's the udev differences.
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| 13:14 | It hangs for a long time on udev.
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| 13:14 | <warren> was X performance better in 4.2 as well?
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> 4.2 had a very minimal ruleset on udev
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| 13:14 | <warren> or it only booted faster?
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| 13:14 | <etyack> we are not recommending the 1000 for 5.0 except for limited environments
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| 13:15 | x faster and booted faster in 4.2
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| 13:15 | <sbalneav> The ebox did OK once it was booted.
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| 13:15 | it just took a lot onger to boot.
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| 13:15 | <warren> today it takes long to boot, and X performance is unusable
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| 13:15 | the latter can't be udev
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| 13:16 | <sbalneav> That'll probably be some change to X drivers then.
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| 13:16 | I'm not sure what kind of video chip it had in it.
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| 13:16 | <warren> sis of some sort
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| 13:16 | sis native driver works with F8+
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| 13:16 | <sbalneav> sis is very poorly supported in X now.
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| 13:16 | <warren> RHEL5 sis driver didn't support it
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| 13:17 | F8+ has native alsa sound working on it too
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| 13:17 | it is just too slow
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> I remember I timed it at one point. It spent a whole 45 seconds of boot time in udev, whereas in 4.2, it was more like about 2 seconds.
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| 13:22 | I shaved it down considerably (about 15 seconds) by just removing udev rules related to storage.
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| 13:24 | <warren> we could have a LDM_UDEV_HACK option
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| 13:24 | that bind mounts blank files on top of udev rules
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| 13:24 | =)
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> i had the idea this morning ... why don't we handle the ssh session closing just like we do for the login SENTINEL ...
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| 14:18 | instead of tacking on "kill -1 $PPID" we tack on something like "echo ALLDONEWITHLTSPSESSION" or such
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| 14:18 | and then kill the session once we recieve that
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| 14:19 | * vagrantc just emailed ltsp-developer about it | |
| 14:22 | <sbalneav> Well, we don't watch stdout on the X session ssh, only on the initial ssh connection.
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| 14:22 | Wonder if it's something pulse related hanging it up?
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: is there a reason not to watch stdout on the Xsession ssh ?
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> Umm, well, up until now, we haven't needed too :)
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> it seems like a potentially cleaner way to handle it ...
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| 14:35 | the issue of the ssh connection getting hung by *some* X process using the tunnel has been with me since 2003 or so...
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| 14:36 | we could track down the specific application, fix it ... and then a year down the road, something else will crop up.
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> true.
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| 14:36 | how about this.
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| 14:37 | Xsession ; xprop -set LTSP_SESSION_DONE or something, watch for the X prop, and ssh -O exit from that?
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> sounds resonable as well.
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| 14:37 | sbalneav: you love them x properties :)
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, in fact the new xwaitfor thing we did will work PERFECT for that, since it silently sits and waits.
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| 14:38 | hey, they're encrypted if the ssh encryptions up.
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> and now's the moment where it belongs in a separate project :)
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 14:39 | I'll put some thought to it this weekend. That might be a relatively elegant solution.
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| 14:40 | I'd still like to know WHAT's hanging it up, if for nothing else than curiosity's sake.
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> sure. and getting it fixed is probably a good thing.
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| 14:44 | although for me, openssh 5.1 clearly seems to have fixed the issue.
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| 14:44 | but with 4.7, it's broken. very repeatable.
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| 14:45 | although i may have been testing it mostly with ldm 2.0.6 ... not the more recent versions ... i should remember to test that.
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| 14:45 | <warren> it clearly isn't fixed with 5.1 here
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| 14:45 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 14:46 | <Pascal_1> thanks vagrantc for your answer about the bug
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| 17:59 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 18:00 | <johnny> hi
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| 18:26 | <warren> jammcq: next generation of the ebox http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcsr/index.html
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| 18:27 | <XsPiDeR> what is minimal system memory for ltsp client machines ?
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| 18:28 | <warren> XsPiDeR: 128 is safe, 64 might work depending on what you're doing
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| 18:28 | <XsPiDeR> thnaks ...
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| 18:29 | <warren> hmm, they will charge $52.40 to ship you one unit
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| 18:29 | <johnny> ouch
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| 18:29 | <XsPiDeR> because i try system with 32mb ram to boot and system freeze on tftp ...
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| 20:13 | <updates> Question: VersionL=LTSP 5, OS=Ubuntu 8.04.1, Thin Client NIC=3Com 3C509B ISA, Mem=32MB, Boot=Etherboot floppy ... does not boot to server? No device found. Kernel panic?
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| 20:22 | <warren> johnny: dberkholz: is your kernel named vmlinuz-$NAME?
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