IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 12 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:19 | <gnunux> hi
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| 00:25 | <sakhi> hi
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| 02:08 | <highvoltage> hi
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| 03:09 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Da-Geek. :)
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| 03:40 | <Da-Geek> hey Hyperbyte, looks like Warren wants to kill LTSP in RHEL/Fedora
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| 03:41 | Hyperbyte, /me guesses you saw the E-mails to the lists about it a few days ago
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| 03:43 | <alkisg> I once read in his blog that he was thinking of another way to implement netbooted clients
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| 03:43 | <Hyperbyte> I'm not subscribed to the lists
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| 03:43 | <alkisg> Did he say anything new about that?
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| 03:43 | <Hyperbyte> Why does he want to kill LTSP?
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| 03:44 | * Hyperbyte is worried now. | |
| 03:45 | <Hyperbyte> Where is this list?
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| 03:51 | <Da-Geek> alkisg, https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2011-May/thread.html and look @ the thread 'Plans for K12Linux EL6 and Future Fedora'
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| 03:52 | Hyperbyte, alkisg some good points made by all i think...
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| 03:52 | <alkisg> Thanks for the link, reading...
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| 03:56 | Hmmm ok I can understand why he won't be working on LTSP anymore, but I cannot understand why he won't let you work on it
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| 03:57 | Remote X will be working for a lot more years, and if nbd modules are not available for fedora, nfs is still there
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| 03:57 | Also flash on spice is much worse than with remote x
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| 04:01 | Also, speaking about fat clients, he says "However, this approach has always been a good idea. Yet oddly enough, nobody did it."
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| 04:01 | ==> it shows that he's been out of touch with LTSP, as that's already implemented
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| 04:04 | <Hyperbyte> Okay before I'm gonna pass judgement
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| 04:04 | I have some questions.
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| 04:04 | 1. The i386 argument seems valid. But is LTSP i386? Can't you build a client with any architecture you want?
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| 04:05 | I thought you could do ltsp-build-client x86_64 if you wanted, or am I missing something here?
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| 04:05 | <alkisg> If fedora repositories don't have kernels for i386, where would ltsp-build-client find them?
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| 04:06 | If they're 686+, then old clients won't work
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| 04:06 | (very old though - many clients from 1997+ would work, some not)
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| 04:06 | <Hyperbyte> So? Why do we care?
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| 04:07 | See, I don't get that. Fedora is constantly pushing and promoting that it is using latest technlogy and stuff, features first...
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| 04:07 | <alkisg> There are some thin client hardware that are not 686 compatible
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| 04:07 | <Hyperbyte> And yet it needs to support hardware that should've been thrown away now...
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| 04:07 | Do official LTSP clients from DLWS != i386?
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| 04:08 | <alkisg> I don't know, but I there there were some
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| 04:08 | i386, not i686
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| 04:08 | <Hyperbyte> :\
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| 04:08 | Okay. So what's the problem with remote X?
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| 04:09 | If it's so bad, why does LTSP still rely on it?
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| 04:10 | I assume there's no alternative that can support localapps they way LTSP does it?
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> He reports that remote X is untested, but I haven't heard of specific problems with remote X in any distro. Maybe he means "untested in fedora"....
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| 04:11 | LTSP supports thin clients, localapps, and fat clients
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| 04:11 | There are other solutions too for thin + fat clients
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| 04:11 | I haven't heard of other solutions that use localapps the way ltsp does
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| 04:11 | <Hyperbyte> But not localapps, correct?
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| 04:12 | Yeah... that's what I was most impressed with.
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| 04:12 | * alkisg doesn't use localapps at all | |
| 04:12 | <Hyperbyte> I do... for our softphones.
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| 04:12 | <alkisg> I only use thin for clients < 500 RAM, or fat otherwise
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| 04:13 | <Hyperbyte> If I run the softphones on the terminal server I get latency problems in the audio
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| 04:13 | <alkisg> Agreed
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| 04:14 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I have quite powerful thin clients... right now I use recycled Windows desktop PC's for netboot, but I have some LTSP Term 1720 on backorder.
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| 04:14 | Or rather 'on order' I think? I mean they're not delivered yet, anyways.
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| 04:14 | But I prefer doing everything on the server. Centralized, I like.
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| 04:15 | Anyway, Da-Geek... what do you think about this?
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| 04:31 | * Hyperbyte pokes Da-Geek | |
| 04:31 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 05:10 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, ouch...
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| 05:11 | * Da-Geek pokes Hyperbyte back, but harder :-p | |
| 05:12 | <Da-Geek> Hyperbyte, what did i miss, just back from lunch
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| 05:23 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 12:18 | <kusznir> Hi all: I recently ran into an interesting problem on my ltsp box. ltsp server is ubuntu 9.10. My dhcp is pfsense. I recently added 2 NTP servers to pfsense's dhcp config, and my thin clients stopped booting with a udhcpcd error for unkown option "<ip_of_second_ntp_server>". I removed the second NTP server, and it started working again.
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| 13:29 | <gothaggis> hello, what are the proper steps to install a Thunderbird extension for all users (Thunderbird is running as a local app). I ran Thunderbird on the LTSP server then updated the image, but the extension doesn't show up for other users.
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> you'll need to install the extension in the chroot ...
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| 13:30 | <gothaggis> doh
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> if you're really running it as a local app
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| 13:33 | <gothaggis> hmm
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| 13:33 | how does one run thunderbird in the chroot? if i chroot to /opt/ltsp/amd64 and then run /usr/bin/thunderbird it can't open the display
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| 13:34 | or maybe i need to run from the server directly instead of ssh ;)
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> you need to run thunderbird in order for the extension to register?
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| 13:35 | you can't just install it?
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| 13:36 | <abeehc> my method to this point is to install the extension in my own tbird, then copy the resulting folders to the system level extension dir for tbird
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| 13:36 | which appears to be /usr/lib/thunderbird/extensions, chroot or otherwise
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| 13:37 | * vagrantc just apt-get install xul-ext-FOOBAR | |
| 13:41 | <abeehc> interesting.. appears to be a smalllll subset though; and mostly focused on ff
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| 13:41 | <gothaggis> thx
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| 13:41 | <abeehc> have to study those pkgs though could be very useful in future
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| 13:55 | <gothaggis> installing and then coping the folders over worked great, thankx again
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| 22:20 | <bas20> somebody here know about ltsp cluster?
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| 23:59 | <html_inprogress> can i make this a home server?
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