IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 November 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <mr_clark> Still pretty buggy. I'm going to go back to K12LTSP for my LUG presentation.
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| 00:02 | So does LTSP by default encrypt all the communications?
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| 00:13 | <alkisg> mr_clark, yes, unless you specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf
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| 00:13 | <Ryan52> ya, it all goes over ssh.
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| 00:17 | <kwak> sbalneav: i'm using Dlink switch with 2Gb ports
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| 00:20 | <kwak> if it;s the switch, why is it that it worked with K12linux (fedora 9)
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| 00:20 | puzzled. always happens to me.
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| 00:27 | <mr_clark> Wow. I can't believe how much easier LTSP has gotten in the last few years. Thank you to the developers!
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| 00:31 | I gotta get to bed. G'night.
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| 00:50 | <alkisg> With the default lts.conf (=empty, just comments), getltscfg "anything" returns "Syntax error" instead of empty. I don't see any problems at all, but maybe an empty lts.conf should be parsed ok;
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| 01:59 | <TheBS> Okay, messing with RHEL 5 client here
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| 01:59 | (I know, not supported)
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| 02:00 | LDM "respawns" on login
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| 02:00 | The /var/log/ldm.log only lists ...
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| 02:01 | "Attempting ssh session as tcuser02
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| 02:01 | In set_message
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| 02:01 | ssh_chat: looking for ssword: from ssh
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| 02:01 | LDM2 starting"
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| 02:01 | Fedora 9 chroot works, so it's clearly something with my RHEL 5 client
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| 02:01 | Is there further debugging/info I can enable for LDM?
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| 02:02 | BTW, I've tried both DIRECTX = yes and no in my ltsp.conf
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| 04:49 | <highvoltage> howdy. I want to try local apps in intrepid. is there a page with instructions somewhere?
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| 04:50 | I understand I just need to install my software in the chroot, put "LOCAL_APPS = Y
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| 04:50 | " in lts.conf, and make a .desktop file for the app?
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| 04:50 | how must the launcher in the .desktop file be like?
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| 05:36 | <ogra> you need to set an xprop
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| 05:40 | <cyberorg> ogra, hi, saw this? http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad
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| 05:40 | <ogra> the ltsp-localapps script needs to go from the server examples dir to /usr/bin ...
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| 05:41 | cyberorg, heh, rdesktop server for linux ?
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| 05:42 | that might get everyone not being suse into massive patent trouble with MS
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| 05:43 | <cyberorg> using DMX and RDP?
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| 05:43 | <ogra> well, RDP on the server side is patented
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| 05:46 | <cyberorg> oh well, may be that is why nomad was developed in "secrecy"
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| 05:46 | <highvoltage> ogra: to /usr/bin on the server?
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| 05:46 | <ogra> highvoltage, yes
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| 05:46 | <cyberorg> i was just wondering about how to use it with ltsp
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| 05:46 | <ogra> cyberorg, well, just do whats described
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| 05:47 | i know compiz works natively in ubuntu 8.10 anyway
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| 05:47 | so i dont think its needed to have dmx specifically
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| 05:47 | <highvoltage> ogra: ah, then I just run ltsp-localapps xeyes on the client?
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| 05:47 | <cyberorg> i am not sure what advantages it brings either
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| 05:48 | <ogra> highvoltage, i dont know the exact runes (havent tried it myself) but yu need to call your app in the desktop file with the script as prefix or some such
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| 05:48 | <cyberorg> local device support does not exist yet
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| 05:48 | <highvoltage> ogra: ok, thanks
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| 05:48 | <ogra> highvoltage, wait for stgraber to wake up ... he even made a ekiga call to me yesterday from a thin client (running ekiga as localapp)
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| 05:49 | <highvoltage> ogra: ooh, nice!
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| 05:49 | <ogra> (and told me he has (beyond compiz effects) even suspend to rm on his clients working properly)
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| 05:49 | *ram
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| 06:10 | <highvoltage> ogra: that's quite impressive
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| 06:10 | <ogra> works ?
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| 06:11 | <highvoltage> ogra: I'm going to try it tomorrow. I'm going to test it tomorrow, I'm at a client atm and the thin client we wanted to test on doesn't power on
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| 06:11 | <ogra> bah
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| 06:11 | <highvoltage> ogra: I was talking about the suspend to ram on thin clients, that's quite cool
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| 06:12 | at least it's the client's hardware so it's not my fault :)
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| 06:12 | <ogra> needs some manual changes
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| 06:12 | you need to allow it in /etc/sudoers on teh client afaik
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| 07:02 | <stgraber> highvoltage: hi, I'll likely be stuck in meetings for some hours, then preparing LTSP BTS, but please ask any question you have and I'll try to answer when I have a second :)
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| 07:03 | <Appiah> ogra: is the ltsp-localapps script example only in intrepid ?
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| 07:04 | <devilbues> Hi can anybody tell me if intrepid uses X_CONF parameter? It doesn't seem to do anything now
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| 07:05 | <nubae> devilbues: u need to set CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 07:05 | <devilbues> nubae: is there any web page with that info?
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| 07:06 | <nubae> devilbues: u can blame me, Its in the documentation, but I havent uploaded it yet :-/
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| 07:06 | <devilbues> nubae: no problem :)
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| 07:06 | testing...
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| 07:09 | nubae: i have this
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| 07:09 | CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 07:09 | X_CONF = /etc/X11/xorgtouch.conf
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| 07:09 | and it doesn't work
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| 07:09 | <nubae> that should work just fine
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| 07:09 | did u update the image?
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| 07:10 | <devilbues> no, do I have to, when I change lts.conf?
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| 07:10 | <nubae> sure, /etc/X11/xorgtouch.conf is in the chroot
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| 07:10 | the variable is defined outside, but the script is inside
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| 07:10 | <devilbues> ahhh, ok
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| 07:12 | <ogra> Appiah, yes
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| 07:12 | <Appiah> oh
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| 07:12 | Then I have to update :D
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| 07:22 | <nubae> I just pushed ltsp-docs
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| 07:22 | should be upto date now
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| 07:22 | <Appiah> huh?
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| 07:22 | <nubae> in terms of variables in LDM, unless something new was done since then
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| 07:23 | Appiah: ltsp documentation
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| 07:23 | <Appiah> everything in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-* ?
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| 07:24 | <nubae> just the manual
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| 07:24 | <Appiah> k
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| 07:47 | <Appiah> \o/
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| 08:04 | <Blinny> Does setting a System-wide proxy in System->Preferences->Network Proxy apply the setting to all users? I'm guessing not as it didn't ask me for sudo PW
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| 08:05 | <ogra> if you click the "Apply Systemwide" button it does :)
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| 08:06 | <Blinny> woah
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| 08:06 | Is that an Intrepid thing?
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| 08:06 | My eyes aren't grepping properly to find that button
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| 08:06 | <ogra> isnt in hardy ?
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| 08:07 | should be bottom left in the window
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| 08:08 | <Blinny> http://peopleplaces.org/Screenshot.png
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| 08:08 | <Blinny> Advanced just has an ignore host list
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| 08:08 | <ogra> ah, yeah, that ooks different
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| 08:08 | <Blinny> Oop!
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| 08:09 | <ogra> so you need to set http_proxy somewhere
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| 08:09 | /etc/profile i'd guess
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| 08:10 | <Blinny> OK. Thanks ogra
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| 08:12 | Maybe /etc/environment
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| 08:17 | <nubae> intrepid is cool
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| 08:18 | so polished
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| 08:18 | <nubae> intrepid should have been the LTS
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| 08:22 | <Blinny> I've read great things about printing support & the add printer interfaces. For my money, printing is the biggest pain in the ass when it comes to All Things Computing.
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| 08:23 | <Appiah> I've been helpdesking at different places , the printing cases always feels like the worst
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| 08:24 | <nubae> well its pretty much automatic now, no need to add anything
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| 08:24 | <Appiah> server-side I dont think there is much pain
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| 08:26 | <Blinny> Life is (usually) much easier with really expensive laser printers
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| 08:26 | Odd. I have a user who cannot chdir to his /home/$user (permission denied) even though it's owned by him.
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| 08:26 | <Appiah> the ones you buy on-site support on so you dont have to touch em? :P
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| 08:27 | <Blinny> heh
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| 08:27 | No the ones who act right in the first place!
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| 08:28 | <Appiah> Blinny: did you use $user or $USER ?
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| 08:28 | <Blinny> I'm just replacing the username with l33tsp3ak
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| 08:28 | <Appiah> oh
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| 08:28 | <Blinny> (;
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| 08:32 | <Blinny> all the kidz are doin it - just trying to fitz inz
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| 08:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> ?
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| 08:40 | <Blinny> Could not chdir to home directory /home/richard.doyle: Permission denied -- and, check this out: drwx------ 22 richard.doyle richard.doyle 4096 2008-08-20 10:20 richard.doyle
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| 08:42 | <Gad1> Blinny: whoami
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| 08:43 | <Blinny> richard.doyle - and 'id' prints out: uid=1001(richard.doyle) gid=1001(richard.doyle) groups=24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),107(fuse),109(lpadmin),126(sambashare),1001(richard.doyle)
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| 08:44 | * Gad1 thinks it may be the period | |
| 08:44 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:44 | <Gad1> period is a nasty char to have in a username
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| 08:44 | <Blinny> that's my schema - works for many others though!
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| 08:44 | * ogra would suspect that as well | |
| 08:45 | <ogra> Gad1, congrats to the nice election :)
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| 08:45 | <Gad1> you say that like I organized it
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| 08:45 | :)
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| 08:45 | <ogra> you participated in it :)
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| 08:46 | <Gad1> well, personally, Im just happy its over
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| 08:46 | ;)
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| 08:46 | <nubae> yeah funny to see it was all the central states that voted for the idiot
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| 08:47 | <Blinny> :s;central states;idiots
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| 08:47 | <jammcq> Gooooood morning #ltsp
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| 08:47 | <Gad1> nubae: everythings relateive
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| 08:47 | *relative
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| 08:47 | <jammcq> sure it is
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| 08:47 | <Gad1> :)
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| 08:48 | just ask jammcq
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| 08:48 | he's everybody's relative
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| 08:48 | <jammcq> it's all based on Einsteins fear of relatives
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| 08:48 | <Appiah> haha
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| 08:48 | <Blinny> I think I blame NFS
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| 08:49 | <Gad1> NFS voted for idiots?
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| 08:50 | * Gad1 didnt think we let filesystems vote | |
| 08:50 | <Gad1> man, whats next...
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| 08:50 | <nubae> the kernel
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| 08:50 | <Gad1> well, he's military ;)
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| 08:50 | <nubae> he'll start voting for some other BDFL
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| 08:52 | <Blinny> NFS doesn't block local access to a filesystem when it's mounted from a remote location does it? It can't.
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| 08:52 | <pscheie> jammcq, do you & sbalneav start driving east today?
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| 08:53 | <pscheie> Blinny, depends on the mountpoint
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| 08:53 | <jammcq> pscheie: yes, I'm scheduled to pick scotty up at the airport at 5:06 this evening
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| 08:53 | <pscheie> if you mount an NFS share under /, you'll likely have trouble
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| 08:58 | <Blinny> pscheie: No, not mounting / ! I have two sites. Each has a /home for local users and a /remote that autofs/NFS mounts the opposite site's /home/username
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| 09:07 | <highvoltage> stgraber: thanks! I'll do so
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| 09:10 | <jammcq> highvoltage: hey
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| 09:19 | <Blinny> AH!
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| 09:19 | rsync had sent /home 700
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| 09:19 | * Blinny tackles the wild goose | |
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| 09:27 | <Blinny> Gad1: Any reason why I couldn't copy the CheckUser script to another server? All I have to set is the LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION variable in lts.conf correct?
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| 09:30 | <Gad1> right
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| 09:31 | <Blinny> Great - Thank you.
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| 09:41 | <brendan0powers> are whiteboards still needed for BTS?
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> brendan0powers: can never have too many whiteboards
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| 09:43 | <brendan0powers> i think we have one of those paper pad easel things too
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> I refuse to play Pictionary
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| 09:43 | <brendan0powers> aw:(
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> well, sober
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| 09:44 | <brendan0powers> also, what time do things usually get going on thursday morning?
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> thusday *evening* people will just be rolling in
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| 09:45 | <brendan0powers> oh right
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| 09:45 | friday morning...
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> depends how much fun thursday night is
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| 09:45 | :)
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| 09:46 | <brendan0powers> ah
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| 09:51 | <jimcooncat> setting up small network that will support ltsp and other netboot features -- trying to keep dhcp/dns simple. Perhaps I should switch to dnsmasq for everything? your thoughts?
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| 09:54 | <pscheie> jimcooncat, warren has talked about doing that for k12linux, but it's not being used there yet
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| 09:54 | I don't think it is, anyway
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| 09:55 | * vagrantc has been a big fan of dnsmasq for ages | |
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| 09:56 | <johnny> yeah.. i use dnsmasq exclusively
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| 09:56 | <jimcooncat> The first test I set up I got confused about where the dhcp config was stored, took me quite a bit of googleing to find out. I don't want to make things tough if someone has to come in to work on this
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| 09:56 | <johnny> altho there was a bug that affected hardy in which it did not serve lts.conf via tftp
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| 09:56 | it was fixed in versions that came out later
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc> johnny: which part got fixed?
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| 09:57 | <johnny> the netascii
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc> johnny: which package was changed?
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| 09:57 | <johnny> dnsmasq?
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| 09:57 | <jimcooncat> johnny: I'm installing hardy, this is fixed?
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| 09:57 | <johnny> jimcooncat, i don't know if it ever got fixed in hardy
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc> johnny: so it wasn't a workaround in the ltsp-side stuff?
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| 09:57 | <johnny> you might need to get the newest one..
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| 09:58 | no
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| 09:58 | it was a bug in dnsmasq
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| 09:58 | i guess..
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| 09:58 | look at the changelog on the dnsmasq site, and search for netascii jimcooncat
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| 09:59 | <johnny> jimcooncat, the workaround is simple tho, just keep it in the chroot /etc/lts.conf, it means that you need to update the chroot whenever you change it.. but it's not very serious
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| 09:59 | <jimcooncat> thanks johnny. You're happy using dnsmasq rather than dhcp3 and bind? (I'm assuming that's the normal setup)
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| 09:59 | <johnny> yes, been using it for over a year
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| 10:00 | but as i mentioned, my lts.conf is in chroot /etc/lts.conf
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| 10:00 | until i upgrade to intrepid
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| 10:00 | <jimcooncat> k I'll keep that in mind
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| 10:01 | <johnny> if a newer version got released for hardy..i maybe didn't notice
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| 10:01 | you can search dnsmasq changelog to see if the version in hardy matches the version that netascii issue was fixed
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| 10:01 | if you want to keep your lts.conf in the tftp ltsp/i386
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| 10:02 | <vagrantc> i don't think it was fixed in 0.45
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| 10:03 | <johnny> 2.45 you mean?
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> It was fixed in 0.42, I reported it
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| 10:04 | <johnny> what is this 0.42?
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| 10:04 | don't you mean 2.42 ?
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| 10:04 | it's at 2.x not 0.x
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> http://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2008q2/002063.html
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| 10:04 | Yeap, sorry, 2.42
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| 10:04 | <jimcooncat> hardy-updates has 2.41, intrepid is 2.45
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| 10:05 | <alkisg> But it's easy to work around it if someone has an older version
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| 10:05 | jimcooncat, you may change a line in ltsp_nbd that works around it, want me to look for it?
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| 10:06 | <jimcooncat> alkisg: nah, I'll see if I can backport intrepid's version thanks anyway
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> found it anyway :) :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/238010
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| 10:10 | <jimcooncat> thanks alkisg! Wish they would fix stuff like this when they find it.
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| 10:10 | <alkisg> jimcooncat, he did (the dnsmasq developer), he released the new fixed version some days afterwards
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| 10:11 | and in ltsp_nbd it's not really a bug, it was dnsmasq and virtualbox that were broken
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| 10:11 | <jimcooncat> alkisg: I meant the distro maintaners; far as I can see the dnsmasq dev is on top of stuff
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> Well you know how distros are, hard to accept new package versions in the same distro version, even in SRUs...
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> btw, virtualbox is still broken... Someone has to report this! :) (I'm bored, I just use workarounds)
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| 10:15 | <dtrask> jammcq: Is your cell phone number still the same?
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| 10:15 | <jimcooncat> I'm using virtualbox on gutsy, am not overly impressed. I'm going to mess with kvm and see how that works
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| 10:25 | <babyhuey> anyone know of anyway i can get my ltsp client to boot up faster? it currently takes ~5 minutes to boot
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| 10:28 | <johnny> need more info than that to help
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| 10:28 | like client specs, which version of ltsp, whether you're using LDM_DIRECTX, etc
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| 10:29 | <babyhuey> ltsp5 client is a jammin 125
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| 10:29 | dont think directx is enabled, i never set it
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| 10:29 | but x booting isnt where its slow, although it is a bit choppy
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| 10:29 | but i can worry about that later
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| 10:29 | it take 4 minutes to even get to x loading
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| 10:30 | <johnny> i don't know what a jammin 125 is
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| 10:30 | specs..
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| 10:31 | <babyhuey> 300 MHz NS GX-1 Processor
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| 10:31 | 8MB Disk-On-Chip
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| 10:31 | . 64MB SDRAM
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| 10:32 | http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/jam125.html < link to it
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| 10:34 | <johnny> hmm.. it doesn't say which ltsp version it works well with
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| 10:34 | <jammcq> that unit worked great with ltsp-4.2
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| 10:34 | not so great with ltsp-5
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| 10:34 | <babyhuey> crap, so i have to downgrade?
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| 10:35 | <highvoltage> hey jammcq. I barely missed you earlier
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| 10:35 | <babyhuey> dammit, ive spent so much time getting this working the way i wanted
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| 10:35 | <jammcq> hey highvoltage how's that new company going?
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| 10:35 | congrats btw
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| 10:35 | <highvoltage> jammcq: good, and thanks!
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| 10:35 | <johnny> babyhuey, that's kinda light for ltsp5..
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| 10:36 | <highvoltage> jammcq: about 90% of my current new work is ltsp related, so it's fun using it again
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> wow
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| 10:36 | <johnny> 500mhz proc and 128mb ram seems minimum..
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> that's excellent
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> babyhuey: I think people have made them work with LTSP-5, but they are slow
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| 10:36 | <babyhuey> anyone know which ubuntu distro has 4.2 then?
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> i think the cpu is only 200 or 300mhz and the memory is either 32mb or 64mb
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| 10:36 | and the graphics chip is one of the worst
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| 10:37 | <jammcq> other than that, they're great
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| 10:37 | <babyhuey> is there an easy way to downgrade without reinstalling the OS?
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| 10:37 | <johnny> babyhuey, not a single one that is supported
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| 10:37 | <babyhuey> i dont care if its suported, i just need these clients to work
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> babyhuey, which ubuntu version are you using?
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| 10:38 | <babyhuey> 8.10
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> Is the chroot updated or did you do the installation while on beta?
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| 10:38 | <babyhuey> its the actual release, i just installed it like 2 days ago
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| 10:38 | so its all updated
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> OK, never mind me then
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| 10:40 | <ogra> there is no driver for NX in ubuntu 8.10 anymore
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| 10:40 | <ogra> Xorg dropped all support for it
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| 10:40 | <jammcq> wow
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| 10:41 | <ogra> only LX and GX are supported and according to the Xorg devs there wont be any backwards compatibility
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| 10:41 | <jammcq> the J125 is an GX2 I think
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| 10:41 | <ogra> oh, right i misread
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| 10:41 | 300 MHz NS GX-1 Processor
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| 10:42 | * ogra mistook the NS | |
| 10:42 | <ogra> anyway, i have a bunch of 300MHz 64M clients that all work and boot in less than 5min ... but they are usual pentiums
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| 10:42 | <babyhuey> how would you suggest i get ltsp 4.2? just download the file and install ifrom source?
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| 10:43 | <ogra> its is specific to the AMD CPU ... and seems to be same prob as with the SiS in the ebox 1000
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> Nubae, how's this for a first shot? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithDHCP
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| 12:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> working with ltsp_localapps on a Fedora server...
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| 12:01 | I have added local_apps = Y to the lts.conf
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| 12:01 | and when trying to run something like xterm, there appears to be no response
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| 12:01 | is there any other changes I need to make to get this running?
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| 12:02 | <johnny> run something like xterm how?
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| 12:02 | plus it's LOCAL_APPS
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| 12:02 | not local_apps
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| 12:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> my mistake, I actually have it as "LOCAL_APPS = Y" entered in lts.conf
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| 12:03 | per following the ltsp twiki
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| 12:04 | but I am trying to run xterm as a test as follows: "ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/xterm" in a terminal window on the client
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| 12:04 | <johnny> and ltsp-localappsd is running on the client ?
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| 12:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> no response, and switching to SCREEN_02 and running ps -wx shows no activity
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| 12:05 | <johnny> or does it even try to run?
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| 12:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> correct. here's the line in ps -wx: "1958 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/ltsp-localappssd"
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| 12:06 | <johnny> too many s ?
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| 12:06 | weird
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| 12:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 12:06 | no, I mis-typed that
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| 12:06 | <johnny> i've yet to try it
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| 12:06 | am doing it soon
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| 12:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm. ok, well at least it does appear that it should be working
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| 12:07 | <johnny> maybe strace it?
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| 12:07 | install strace in the client and see what happens
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| 12:07 | not that i can tell you what it should like.. since as i mentioned, i have yet to try it..
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| 12:07 | should look like8
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| 12:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, I'll give that a shot
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| 12:07 | Holy crap! Michael Crichton died!
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| 12:12 | ls
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| 12:13 | whoops
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| 12:32 | * vagrantc ponders http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/revision/19 | |
| 12:32 | * vagrantc probably shouldn't nit-pick | |
| 12:33 | <nubae> vagrantc: yeah I know some were already in there
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> nubae: the content for the added ones also is clearly cut-and-pasted from something else unrelated
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| 12:35 | <nubae> huh?
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> look at the text added for LDM_USERNAME ...
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| 12:36 | "This is the server that is used for the XDM_SERVER, TELNET_HOST," ...
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| 12:36 | identical text for LDM_PASSWORD
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| 12:36 | <nubae> then something is wrong
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> no mention of the k12ltsp -> k12linux switch, either
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| 12:37 | <nubae> did I push the wrong stuff...
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> looks like LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT is correct
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| 12:38 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:38 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-November/004967.html
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| 12:39 | time to get lenny out :)
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 12:39 | no doubt.
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| 12:39 | it's ~50 bugs left
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| 12:39 | <ogra> yeah, i just looked at the list from the mail
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> although, i'm hoping ltspfs makes it in
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| 12:39 | <ogra> i'll try to take a look in case i'm around on sun.
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| 13:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> grrr
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| 13:13 | ltsp-localapps is giving me some issues in fedora 9
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| 13:13 | ltsp-localappsd is running on the client according to a ps -wx in screen 02
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| 13:14 | yet running gives me no response
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| 13:14 | just trying to test this out with xterm as follows: ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/xterm
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| 13:14 | no dice
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Lns, hi, wanna have a look? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithDHCP
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| 13:19 | <Lns> alkisg: in #ubuntu-meeting right now, i'll take a look in a bit ;) Thanks!
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> k.
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| 13:26 | <cliebow> jammcq:raganr planning to come??
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| 13:27 | <jammcq> cliebow: you betcha. I just talked to him on the phone about 15 minutes ago
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| 13:27 | he'll be arriving sometime thursday evening
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| 13:28 | <cliebow> cool! should i add himt to the wiki?
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| 13:28 | <jammcq> oh yeah, if you would, that'd be great
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| 13:28 | also Ron and his son Alex are coming
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| 13:28 | <cliebow> k.ill do my best with colcernian
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| 13:28 | <jammcq> thank you
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| 13:29 | <cliebow> ;-]
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> i'm leaving in about 20 minutes to go pick scotty up from the airport
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| 13:29 | <cliebow> great!!
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| 13:36 | pscheie:you have transport form Bangor figgered out/
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| 13:36 | <pscheie> yep, fgiraldeau & stgraber are picking me up at the airport on their
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| 13:36 | their way
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| 13:37 | they'll be driving by right about the time I land
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| 13:37 | <cliebow> great..see you there then..
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| 13:37 | <pscheie> hopefully they'll stop so I don't have to jump directly from the plane onto their car ;-)
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| 13:37 | <cliebow> weehee!
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| 13:38 | <pscheie> Indiana Jones does it, why can't I?
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| 13:38 | What do you mean 'movies aren't real life'?
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| 13:38 | <cliebow> cause he can hit the rewind button if he misses
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| 13:39 | jammcq: i cooked 10 lobsters last night with the flamethtrower..without damaging the pot !!
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| 13:39 | <pscheie> how about the house?
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| 13:39 | <cliebow> i had concrete blocks.
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| 13:39 | <jammcq> cliebow: good job. You've come a long way in 6 or 7 years
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| 13:40 | <cliebow> give me that long i might learn something
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| 13:40 | * pscheie envisions cliebow triumphantly holding up his unscathed pot of lobsters as the cinders collapse around him | |
| 13:40 | <cliebow> this thing sounds like a jet when you light her off..
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| 15:31 | <Lns> alkisg: Wow, great wiki doc on IPs!! Thanks a bunch. I don't see anything needing editing. It looks great.
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> Lns, you think I should continue with "how to do trunking" ?
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| 15:33 | <Lns> alkisg: trunking?
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> Yeah, say, if you have 3 NICs on the server, you may get 200% more bandwidth
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| 15:33 | But connecting all the NICs to the same switch
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| 15:33 | <Lns> alkisg: if you have the technical know-how to do a writeup, go for it!
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| 15:34 | Although you might want to talk to the ones who handle ltsp-cluster, I don't know if any trunking concepts step on their project
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> Lns, ok, tommorow I do benchmarks, and sometime later I'll write it (and tell you to check it)! Thanks!
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| 15:34 | Lns, it's just settings, no new software involved
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| 15:34 | <Lns> alkisg: thank you, for the wiki page. Keep up the good work. I'm linking the IP entry on the main page.
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| 15:34 | <nubae> Lns: I think trunking is different from ltsp-cluster
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| 15:35 | <Lns> nubae: I know it's different but maybe they'll have some insight
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| 15:35 | <nubae> I say go for writing that up
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Nubae, ok, will do. I'm just worried about my English, but if Lns says it's acceptable, I'll go for it! :)
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| 15:36 | <Lns> alkisg: I see nothing wrong with your english. Very well structured.
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> Thanks... you know it's difficult, cause we read english all day on the net, but never write or speak it
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> in america, we learn english from TV, too
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| 15:37 | :)
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| 15:37 | * ogra wonders if alkisg planned to do spoken howtos | |
| 15:37 | <Lns> alkisg: I think that might be an advantage - you have little exposure to mannerisms/slang that way, so you know the more "proper" english ;)
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> Heh... That's how I got the proficiency in english, by watching "Friends"... :P
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| 15:38 | <Lns> heh... please don't mention that show. My wife has the entire DVD collection of Friends, and every few months she watches them from beginning to end.
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| 15:39 | I want to jump off a cliff when she watches that show
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> Duh... it must need a month to watch all that
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| 15:39 | *she
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| 15:39 | <Lns> alkisg: yes, it takes about 3-4 weeks to go through them all
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| 15:39 | <jimcooncat> ogra: are you talking about nomachine/freenx?
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| 15:39 | <ogra> no ?
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| 15:39 | <jimcooncat> oops that was a while ago in the thread
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| 15:40 | <ogra> :)
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| 15:40 | <Lns> Gadi: yeah - TV english aint no thang but a chicken wang, yo fo sho
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| 15:40 | <ogra> thong ?
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> OK, I got nothing :)
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| 15:41 | <Lns> lol
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| 15:41 | * ogra cant really imagine things made of chickenwings ... | |
| 15:41 | <ogra> err
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| 15:41 | * Lns called Comcast a month ago to disconnect his cable TV, which was supposed to be disconnected a year ago..and they still havent' done it | |
| 15:41 | <ogra> thongs
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| 15:41 | <Gadi> ogra: what system files are gnome file associations in?
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| 15:41 | <nubae> things made of chicken wings = chicken
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| 15:41 | :-)
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| 15:42 | <Lns> lol nubae
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> not to derail the talk of chicken thongs
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| 15:42 | <ogra> Gadi, /etc/mime.types ?
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> that declares the types
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| 15:43 | but not the apps
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| 15:43 | afaict
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| 15:43 | <ogra> ah, that was in gconf once
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| 15:43 | not sure it still is
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| 15:44 | ah, no its in the .desktop files
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 15:45 | <ogra> MimeType=
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> but how would I make a system-wide file-association change?
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| 15:45 | for default app
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| 15:45 | used
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| 15:45 | <ogra> change the .desktop ?
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> /usr/share/applications/defaults.list ?
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| 15:46 | <ogra> ah, alkisg has it
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| 15:47 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 15:47 | getting warmer
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| 15:47 | there must be another defaults.list overriding this one
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| 15:47 | <ogra> use based i bet
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| 15:47 | in ~/.local or ~/.config
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| 15:48 | .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> very strange
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> I think I saw openoffice declarations by extension somewhere, like .odt => open with something, looking....
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> its not any of them
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| 15:48 | <ogra> and .local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> (and other apps there)
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> f-spot is currently default for .psd
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| 15:49 | <ogra> fun
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| 15:49 | <Gadi> but all defaults.list files have gimp as default
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| 15:49 | which I prefer
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| 15:49 | eh, I'll just uninstall f-spot
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| 15:49 | easier
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| 15:49 | <ogra> and .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list doesnt have it either ?
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| 15:49 | <Gadi> just thought Id be clever
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| 15:49 | <ogra> or .local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
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| 15:49 | <Gadi> nope
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| 15:49 | <ogra> just dont use .psd
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| 15:50 | .xcf is the future anyway
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| 15:50 | <Gadi> always with the developer advice
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| 15:50 | ;)
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| 15:51 | <laprag> Gadi: ping
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| 15:51 | <Gadi> crap
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| 15:51 | now its image viewer
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| 15:51 | laprag: hey
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| 15:51 | sorry - file association hell
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| 15:52 | <laprag> hey Gadi, thanks for the offer of a lift, but it seems you can just pass Boston by at full speed.
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> oh, cmon I know ur athletic...
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| 15:53 | but you couldnt possibly...
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| 15:53 | <laprag> anything is possible for a viking
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> well, it is a rental car
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> Gadi, also have a look at cat /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache | grep psd
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> alkisg: u rock
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| 15:55 | that did it
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> I hope it's not reconstructed from somewhere... :)
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> prolly
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| 15:55 | :)
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| 15:55 | stupid cache
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| 15:56 | <monteslu> warren_, any ideas what could be taking so long on login?
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| 15:56 | <laprag> Gadi: see you in Maine then :)
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| 15:57 | bunk beckons
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> laprag: so how are you getting there?
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| 15:57 | I mean from Boston?
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| 15:57 | <laprag> Gadi: i'm driving with David Johnston, we're meeting up at the airport
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 15:57 | renting a car?
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| 15:57 | <laprag> yes
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| 15:58 | i usually don't fly with one
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| 15:58 | ;)
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> smart viking
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| 15:58 | <laprag> always
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> ok, then
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| 15:58 | <laprag> we use ships you know
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> ask david j about the civil war or something
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| 15:58 | <laprag> longer boats are coming to get you
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> and ride shotgun
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| 15:58 | <laprag> huh?
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> trust me
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| 15:59 | nm
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| 15:59 | <laprag> completely
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| 15:59 | <Gadi> there just is not enough american tv in the world
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| 15:59 | :)
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| 15:59 | <laprag> well, in Norway there's too much of it. You can have it back
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| 15:59 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 15:59 | see u in me
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| 15:59 | and if i c u on the highway, we can race
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| 15:59 | <laprag> I'll keep Battlestar Galactica though
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| 16:00 | gauntlet thrown eh?
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> ah - the educational stuff
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| 16:00 | gauntlet thrown
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| 16:00 | <laprag> we'll keep an eye out for ya
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> I'll be the blur
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| 16:00 | <laprag> forgot to mention the rental is an Audi R8
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> with the trailing wave of dust
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| 16:00 | lol
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| 16:01 | * laprag waves in the distance | |
| 16:01 | <Gadi> I always thought you preferred an innie
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| 16:01 | ah, fetishes
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| 16:01 | <laprag> innie me knows not
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| 16:01 | * Gadi needs to learn viking | |
| 16:01 | <laprag> i'm one of those scary forenners
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| 16:02 | with nucular brains
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| 16:02 | <Lns> you are both scaring me
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| 16:02 | <Gadi> to ME (make a left turn at greeenland, viking)
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| 16:02 | <laprag> Lns: i'm a forenner i'm supposed to be scary
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| 16:03 | Gadi: gotcha. will make left turn around greenland
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| 16:03 | * laprag vansihes in a spray of viking fire | |
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| 16:03 | <Lns> ....wow.
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| 16:03 | I didn't understand one bit of that
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| 16:06 | <ogra> pfft
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| 16:06 | that was written, you should *hear* it :)
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| 16:07 | * ogra wonders what the heck he wants with an R8 in the US ... i mean ... its the US ! | |
| 16:08 | <Lns> ogra: cops are easily diverted - just drive by a donut shop ;)
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| 16:08 | <ogra> well, here the cops dont even care :)
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| 16:09 | * ogra cant imainge it being fun driving an R8 on american roads | |
| 16:09 | <ogra> (fast)
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| 16:09 | * vagrantc didn't think main had roads | |
| 16:09 | * vagrantc finds an e | |
| 16:09 | <ogra> thats like jumping from hump to hump very fast
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| 16:10 | i wouldnt call that driving ... though he is used to ships, its probably a proper emulation at the right speed
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| 16:10 | <Lns> Just drive at night
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| 16:11 | the roads are usually clear at night..during the day, forget about it. You might as well walk.
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| 16:11 | <ogra> do the roads flatten in the dark ?
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| 16:11 | <Lns> at least around here
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| 16:11 | <ogra> wow
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| 16:11 | <Lns> ogra: yes they do. :p
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| 16:11 | <Gadi> for thosee of you going to bts, hasta manana!
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| 16:11 | <ogra> have fun
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> all the rest of you slackers, we'll be on irc ;)
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| 16:12 | <Lns> :p Have fun out there gadi
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 16:12 | gnight
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| 16:12 | * ogra will be in the netherlands tomorrow and fri | |
| 16:12 | <ogra> but back on sat.
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> really?
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| 16:12 | cheese run?
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| 16:12 | <ogra> heh
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| 16:12 | mobile crap
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> i see why you're not in mktg
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| 16:12 | ;)
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| 16:13 | <ogra> :P
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> certainly not stationary, going to the netherlands
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| 16:13 | <ogra> yeah
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> unless you live there
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> have fun, ogra
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| 16:13 | <ogra> nah, i have to go there in ...
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| 16:13 | 5h
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| 16:13 | :(
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> Ill be drinking for you
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| 16:13 | promise
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| 16:13 | <ogra> yeah, do that
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| 16:13 | a LOT !
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 16:13 | <ogra> :)
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| 16:14 | <nubae> Belgian beers I hope :-)
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| 16:14 | <ogra> shudder
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| 16:15 | <Lns> You crazy devs and your drinking addictions :p
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| 16:18 | <Lns> ogra: those edubuntu vids are pretty nice!
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| 16:18 | <ogra> yep
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| 16:19 | * vagrantc heads off to satiate that age-old eating addiction | |
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| 16:19 | <Lns> lol.. i love beer. I just don't get the opportunity to drink a whole lot of it in one sitting very much anymore :p
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| 16:20 | <ogra> heh
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| 16:40 | <nubae> Lns: I think the fact that --no-sound fixes the issue points to it being a SDL issue
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| 16:40 | <Lns> nubae: ok
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| 16:40 | I just confirmed the same workaround in tuxtype and tuxmath
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| 16:41 | <nubae> so u gonna try MOTU?
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| 16:41 | <Lns> That's a bit over my head..i need to study the stuff a bit more first
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| 16:41 | <nubae> yeah me too
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| 16:41 | but maybe we can help each other
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| 16:41 | <Lns> sure
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| 16:42 | <Lns> you're definitely more in that kind of thing than I .. I'm not even really sure how a package structure is detailed. But I'm definitely willing to learn.
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| 16:42 | <nubae> well its not the packaging that is hard
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| 16:42 | its the policy
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| 16:43 | <Lns> those YT videos help and I went along with one of them, but I think I just need to do some test packages on my own to get a real grip on it
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| 16:43 | yeah
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| 16:43 | <nubae> rpm packaging is super simple
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| 16:43 | well maybe not super, but simpler
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| 16:43 | <Lns> hence the incompatibilities with cross distro RPMs ;)
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| 16:44 | * nubae tries to crack a md5 password with md5-crack | |
| 16:44 | <nubae> yeah
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| 16:46 | * nubae forgot a moodle admin pass... | |
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| 17:25 | <Lns> wohoo! Looks like we've nailed a major SDL in LTSP bug.
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| 17:25 | If it all comes together, a TON of SDL apps should now be usable in LTSP.
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| 17:34 | * Lns is now addicted to circuslinux | |
| 17:41 | <warren> Lns: nailed a major SDL?
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| 17:41 | what does that maen?
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| 17:41 | <Lns> lol
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| 17:41 | sorry...SDL bug
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| 17:41 | <warren> what was the bug in?
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| 17:41 | <Lns> warren: tuxpaint, tuxtype, tuxmath, circuslinux, defendguin, others most likely
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| 17:42 | <warren> the bug was in each application or a central library?
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| 17:42 | what did the bug do?
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| 17:42 | <Lns> warren: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082
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| 17:42 | warren: Very high CPU usage, unclean exit
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| 17:42 | on LTSP terminals
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| 17:43 | basically made them unusable in LTSP environments (at least in ubuntu ltsp, not sure about fedora ?)
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| 17:43 | Definitely has to do w/SDL sound
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| 17:44 | using --nosound in any of these apps will cause them to behave
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| 17:45 | or their respective sound disabling switch
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| 17:45 | <warren> does SDL native pulseaudio exist yet?
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| 17:46 | * Lns shrugs | |
| 17:50 | <Lns> warren: heh, fancy finding you at the first site i click on to investigate sdl & PA http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/8071348.html
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| 17:54 | hmm, also i see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/216397
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| 17:58 | <nubae> it will affect all distros, not just ubuntu
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| 17:59 | <Lns> I'm trying out the PPA with the proposed fix in ^^^ right now
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| 18:06 | no dice
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| 18:07 | wait...would that need to be installed in the chroot.. ?
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| 18:09 | probably. other PA stuff is..trying that.
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| 18:16 | <Lns> damn my non quad-core server and ltsp-update-image!
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| 18:22 | <Lns> nope..still no go.
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| 18:23 | * Lns thinks he realizes those packages shouldn't have been installed in chroot | |
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| 18:29 | <warren> anyone know how to contact David Johnston
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| 18:29 | I'm driving from BOS
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| 18:39 | * stgraber is quickly fixing some major UI issues with ltsp-cluster control center. This thing sucks but we won't have the new one by tomorrow ... | |
| 18:41 | <stgraber> warren: I can't find anything better than an e-mail address, did you already try mail ?
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| 18:44 | <ogra> warren, laprag was here before and said they share a rented Audi R8
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| 18:44 | (i guess he only wanted to show off though :P, but he said he wants to meet up with David Johnston)
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| 18:46 | Lns, i think the bug with SDL is that it hardcoded tries to attach to /dev/snd/blah instead of properly using alsa lib ... thats as evil as the old flash was using libesd.0 directly hardcoded
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| 18:48 | <warren> ogra: ok, then he doesn't need a ride?
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| 18:48 | <ogra> didnt look like
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| 18:48 | <warren> ok
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| 18:48 | <ogra> <laprag> Gadi: i'm driving with David Johnston, we're meeting up at the airport
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| 18:48 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 18:49 | <stgraber> ogra: btw, I'll really need to speak with our KDE people at UDS, these guys really didn't have LTSP in minde when coding KDE4 ...
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| 18:49 | <Lns> ogra: I agree - I noticed a couple of console msgs regarding "cannot connect to /dev/snd or /dev/sound/xyz" when running them
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| 18:49 | <ogra> stgraber, well, gonome 2.0 didnt have multiuser in mind either when they started
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| 18:50 | <stgraber> ogra: we now have a devel assigned (part-time) on fixing everything and writing patch (basically doing the same things you did for gnome)
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| 18:50 | <ogra> the first fixes i see for multiuser in gnome are all very young compared to how old gnome 2 actually is
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| 18:51 | we'll have a lot KDE guys in mountainview
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| 18:51 | at least it looks like that looking at the atendees wikipage
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| 18:52 | <stgraber> cool, I'll nag them until I get something that works (out of the box as gnome does :))
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| 18:52 | <Lns> ogra: thx for the comment on that sdl bug report, i think that's going to help the sdl guys really understand how to go forward
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| 18:53 | <stgraber> I'll also need to discuss with mvo how to fix the compiz launcher script for LTSP, we discussed it a bit on IRC but couldn't find a way to have the exact same behaviour as you would on a standard install
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| 18:53 | <ogra> stgraber, well, gnome works out of the box as a matter of luck until we fix dbus
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| 18:53 | <ogra> as soon as the applets all use dbus instead of bonobo, we're screwed
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| 18:54 | so thats something to solve soon
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| 18:54 | <stgraber> hmm, why ? what's broken with dbus (other than with localapps)
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| 18:54 | <ogra> the session bus doesnt connect to the right systm bus
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| 18:54 | <stgraber> oh
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| 18:55 | <ogra> it should actually be forwarded over TCP and attach to the client's system bus
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| 18:55 | instead of using the servers
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| 18:55 | <stgraber> right
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| 18:55 | <ogra> but dbus has no TCP transport
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| 18:55 | <stgraber> but what kind of problem do you get (except than getting information about the server and not about the client) ?
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| 18:55 | <ogra> authentication
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| 18:56 | <johnny> is there a way to download the packages?
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| 18:56 | err for the upgrade
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| 18:56 | before actually upgrading..
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| 18:56 | <ogra> since we have consolekit you get wrong auth credentials
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| 18:56 | johnny, apt-get has a switch
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| 18:57 | err
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| 18:57 | s/consolekit/policykit/
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| 18:57 | the more apps will use plokit, the more you will notice breakage
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| 18:57 | *pol
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| 18:57 | <stgraber> ogra: ah, right I noticed some policykit things that weren't quite right :)
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| 18:58 | <johnny> ogra, i mean for update-manager
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| 18:58 | <ogra> the prob is that debus uses a unix domain socket by default
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| 18:58 | i know there is an X transport, we could probably use it
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| 18:59 | in case i have a spare session slot in mountainview we should sit down and take a look at that
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| 18:59 | <johnny> it looks like dbus can do tcp??
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| 18:59 | <ogra> since when ?
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| 18:59 | and how would that be secured ?
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| 18:59 | i would prefer an authenticated X transport rather
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| 19:00 | <johnny> This feature is not well documented, so there is the configuration ligne to add in your /etc/dbus-1/system.conf file :
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| 19:00 | <listen>tcp:host=localhost,port=12434</listen>
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| 19:00 | secured.. it doesn't say anything about that :)
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| 19:00 | <ogra> yeah
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| 19:00 | <johnny> prolly need to tunnel it over ssh..
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| 19:00 | <ogra> i bet you can fully sniff it
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| 19:00 | <johnny> yeah.. you could if you didn't tunnel it..
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| 19:00 | or we could use stunnel..
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| 19:00 | <ogra> nah
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| 19:00 | add functionallity to dbus to use ssh sockets ;)
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| 19:00 | <stgraber> johnny: that still means any user on the server can sniff and inject into other users dbus
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| 19:01 | <johnny> over ssh?
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| 19:01 | <ogra> well, you have an open endpoint
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| 19:01 | <johnny> oh.. it's still available system wide..
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| 19:01 | <ogra> right
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| 19:01 | <johnny> it's not auth per user :)
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| 19:01 | <ogra> and we dont care about the system bus
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| 19:01 | we care about the session one
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| 19:02 | dbus-launch prolly needs a patch
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| 19:02 | * Lns waves goodnight to all | |
| 19:02 | <stgraber> ogra: will we have a dbus guy at UDS ?
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| 19:02 | <johnny> ogra.. so.. update-manager ..
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| 19:02 | <ogra> stgraber, probably, not sure whom Keybuk could convince to come
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| 19:02 | <johnny> how can it just download packages?
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| 19:02 | <ogra> i dont think u-m can
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| 19:03 | <johnny> lame
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| 19:03 | ok.. whatever.. the time is coming where i can start it anyways
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| 19:03 | <ogra> whats the prob with using apt-get to pre-download ?
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| 19:04 | apt-get -d upgrade
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| 19:04 | <johnny> will it choose the right packages?
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| 19:04 | i mean for the uhmm.. dist-upgrade ..
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| 19:04 | <ogra> that will populate /var/cache/apt/archives
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| 19:04 | <johnny> which i thought you shouldn't use apt-get for..
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| 19:04 | <ogra> well, for a pre download that should be fine
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| 19:04 | run u-m afterwards
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| 19:06 | <johnny> ok. thanks ogra..
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| 19:07 | i just didn't wanna do the wrong thing :)
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| 19:07 | <ogra> well, no promises its the right thing :)
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| 19:07 | <johnny> now i can do this download.. and come back when we are closed and just start the actual upgrade
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| 19:07 | give me an extra half hour of sleep hopefully
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| 19:07 | <ogra> it might still pull one or the other package
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| 19:07 | but -d will get you the majorty in advance
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| 19:08 | <johnny> ogra.. why are you awake?
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| 19:09 | <ogra> well, i have to rush to the netherlands early tomorrow for two days ... couldnt sleep yet and had a shower ... now i'm waiting for my hair to dry
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| 19:09 | * ogra is horribly tired actually ... watching the election like very second german last night somewhat trashed my sleep schedule :) | |
| 19:10 | <ogra> *every
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| 19:13 | <johnny> glad it turned out without recounts and whatnot
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| 19:13 | <ogra> yeah
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| 19:13 | though if that would have been clear early i would have gone to bed :)
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| 19:13 | <nubae> what are the licensing issues with squeak?
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| 19:14 | <ogra> nubae, apple fonts iirc
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| 19:14 | <nubae> u might as well not go to sleep now
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| 19:14 | ah right, that was it
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| 19:15 | <ogra> parts of the code are owned by apple and can only be distributed with apple fonts ... which are free for use but not allowed to be modified
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| 19:15 | but read the license, i might not remember that correctly
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| 19:15 | its some year ago that i read it
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| 19:15 | <nubae> weird that it got into sugar
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| 19:16 | it being totally free and all
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| 19:16 | <ogra> probably the license was changed
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| 19:16 | or only parts where the license doesnt apply did go in
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| 19:22 | anyway ... bed ...
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| 20:11 | <kwak> hi ryan and sbalneav
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| 20:12 | * Ryan52 waves | |
| 20:12 | <kwak> my server is still not working. in hopes that it will get fixed, i did an update-manager -d to upgarde to 8.10. clients are still not getting dhcp response from the server.
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| 20:12 | big headache. Currently, i'm rebuilding the ltsp chroot (ltsp-build-clint)
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| 20:12 | <Ryan52> all of them can't or just some like yesterday?
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| 20:13 | if it's just some, then I really don't know how to help..you have everything right.
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| 20:15 | <kwak> well, i started 20 only 1 got
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| 20:17 | <Ryan52> yikes. does your daemon.log show that the server is seeing the requests and trying to talk back?
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| 20:51 | <kwak> sorry, had class.
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| 20:52 | yeap, ltsp-build-client and not yet finished so waiting for it and will test again.
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| 20:54 | the clients are getting dhcp response now, but booting is up to initramfs prompt only
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| 22:18 | <twb> A customer wants me to update their x terminal server network; they say they have tried "Thin Station", "CULT Thin Client" and "DIET-PC".
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| 22:18 | Is there an obvious reason why they wouldn't have considered LTSP?
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| 22:19 | I mean, I mostly work in the diskless netbooting desktop space, and I've heard of LTSP but not really of these others...
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| 22:21 | <loather-work> i've heard of thinstation, but not the other two
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| 22:21 | <Ryan52> woah. twb is everywhere! ;)
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| 22:22 | <twb> loather-work: they do basically the same thing as LTSP, right?
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| 22:22 | I don't want to say "why not LTSP?" and look like an idiot to the customer because LTSP solves a different problem.
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| 22:22 | <loather-work> thinstation is pretty much the same problem solved differently
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| 22:23 | <twb> Cool.
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| 22:23 | So they have a single in-house application, which does all the authenticaction -- that is, at the X level everyone is essentially a "guest" user.
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| 22:24 | This app needs to be able to make noises on the X term's speakers, and access USB... stuff (probably mass storage devices) plugged into the X term's USB sockets.
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| 22:24 | Can LTSP cope with that?
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| 22:24 | My naïve guess would be NAS for the former.
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| 22:25 | <kwak> my ltsp lab is dead.
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| 22:26 | it seems that LTSP gets harder and harder to configure. when i first used ltsp under fedora, it was very easy.
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| 22:26 | <Ryan52> kwak: was it ever working past the boot? or are you back to the no dhcp problem?
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| 22:27 | kwak: and, no, it's not getting harder. it takes me about 5 minutes to do the actual setup, then I just have to wait for the chroot to build. works perfectly for me.
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| 22:27 | <cyberorg> kwak, not really, its just few clicks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCDfnImh67E
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| 22:28 | <Ryan52> pfft. ya, if you're using kiwi. ;))
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| 22:29 | <cyberorg> Ryan52, i am sure it is as easy on ubuntu too :)
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| 22:30 | <Ryan52> ubuntu/debian/fedora/gentoo/rest of ltsp planet just doesn't have the gui.
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| 22:31 | <kwak> it's not a DHCP issue anymore after ltsp-build-client
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| 22:31 | <Ryan52> cyberorg: oh, you cut the song off right in the middle :(
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| 22:31 | <kwak> the last line is setting up LTSP client
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| 22:31 | <Ryan52> what's the problem?
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| 22:32 | <kwak> and Disconnecting: que: disconnect, sock, done
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| 22:32 | 39.341321 ubd0: Receive control failed (result -32)
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| 22:33 | this are the other errors
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| 22:33 | <cyberorg> Ryan52, set up didnt take long enough :(
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| 22:33 | <Ryan52> twb: the local devices thing is a little wierd. "aptitude show ltspfs". sound works. you can set it up to automatically log in as a user.
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| 22:34 | <kwak> Error: loctl/1.1a Failed Bad File descriptor
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| 22:34 | This is the error after Negotitation: ..size = ....
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| 22:34 | <Ryan52> kwak: meep. which part is saying that?
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| 22:34 | <kwak> all machines has this same error
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| 22:35 | <twb> Ryan52: the other thing is, they actually have writable flash drives in the xterms.
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| 22:35 | Ryan52: so rather than pure netbooting, they seem to want to boot the below-X layers of the OS off that.
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| 22:36 | <Ryan52> kwak: which point in the boot process says that?
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| 22:37 | <kwak> few lines after loading pxelinux.cfg
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| 22:37 | <Ryan52> twb: 2 questions: a) why would they want that? b) so how does it get X and all of the other required pieces then?
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| 22:37 | <twb> Ryan52: they basically are suggesting a two-stage boot
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| 22:38 | * Ryan52 would think that would just make maintaining it more difficult. x number of places to upgrade rather than 1. | |
| 22:38 | <kwak> im testing of 6 clients which has all the same error
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| 22:38 | <twb> Ryan52: the first stage pxe boots and, if out of date, downloads the current OS onto the flash drive
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| 22:38 | <kwak> now, not dhcp anymore
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| 22:38 | <twb> Ryan52: then the second stage is just booting the flash drive
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| 22:38 | Ryan52: now, *I* would say "let's just boot off network unless performance becomes an issue"
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| 22:41 | <Ryan52> twb: that shouldn't be a problem, as long as you already have the "pxe update and boot" stuff. you'd just need all of the ltsp client chroot (x and all) to fit on the disk..
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| 22:42 | <kwak> well, anyway. my administrator just came in a while ago, and gave me a go signal to purchase brand new computers for my lab. I will still be using ubuntu though.
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| 22:43 | <johnny> uggh.. sometimes update-manager is total fail
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| 22:44 | any ubuntu folks about?
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| 22:44 | i had setuptools installed by hand on this machine and then update-manager totally puked when it tried to install it's own
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| 22:44 | its*
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| 22:45 | <johnny> aha scott .. :)
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| 22:46 | <johnny> sbalneav, maybe you can help...
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| 22:47 | <johnny> i just upped to intrepid and update-manager totally barfed since i had a locally installed copy of setuptools, how can i recover?
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| 22:56 | <twb> Ryan52: I think they only want that because they're migrating from that behaviour on WinCE.
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| 22:56 | Ryan52: so I'm just gonna advocate pure netbooting LTSP.
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| 23:30 | <johnny> UGGH
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| 23:30 | this sucks
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| 23:30 | bad upgrade: 'intrepid' != 'gutsy'
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| 23:30 | why the hell does it think i want to do that
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