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Channel log from 7 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <ari_stress> sbalneav: yes i am :D
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| 00:00 | <sbalneav> I just responded to you in the list.
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| 00:00 | <ari_stress> ok let me check the mail
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| 00:00 | <sbalneav> If you're trying to get localdevs working, you need to make sure the users are members of the fuse group
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| 00:02 | <ari_stress> ok, i guess i can try to make fuse group in ldap. hmm, there's one thing i'm sure though. previously package ltspfs is not installed, so i install it by hand, dpkg -i packages in the chroot env, is it the right way?
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| 00:02 | <sbalneav> no
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| 00:02 | not in ldap
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| 00:03 | just add the users on the local machine's /etc/fuse.
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| 00:03 | <ari_stress> what where
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| 00:03 | oh
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| 00:03 | ok
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| 00:03 | <sbalneav> unless you're completely hiding the local machine's /etc/group, which is a bad idea
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| 00:03 | ltspfs doesn't go in the chroot.
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| 00:03 | ltspfsd goes in the chroot
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| 00:04 | ltspfs goes on the server
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| 00:04 | <ari_stress> so i only need install ltspfs in the server? not chroot env?
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| 00:04 | <sbalneav> no
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| 00:05 | Only on the server
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| 00:05 | <ari_stress> ok. i guess ogra's wiki is a bit misleading
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| 00:13 | <sbalneav> not misleading at all
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| 00:13 | I just read it. It makes it clear that ltspfs goes in the server, and ltspfsd goes in the client chroot.
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| 00:14 | <ari_stress> oh i thought by checking ltspfs on the chroot env means we must install it in chroot too
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| 00:14 | btw sbalneav, it works! :)
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| 00:14 | editing /etc/group:fuse works
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| 00:14 | <sbalneav> read the line carefully
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| 00:14 | <ari_stress> thanks a bunch
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| 00:14 | :D
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| 00:14 | <sbalneav> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l ltspfsd|grep ^ii
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| 00:14 | note the ltspfsD
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| 00:15 | <ari_stress> :o i miss the 'd'
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| 00:15 | <sbalneav> So, ogra's instructions are clear, you're reading instructions are flawed :)
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| 00:15 | <ari_stress> so, the general rule is that we should never install anything in chroot?
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| 00:15 | sbalneav: you're right. i've been in a lot of stress lately, i'm burned out
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| 00:15 | :(
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| 00:16 | <sbalneav> Depending on what you're doing, you may need to install things in the chroot.
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| 00:17 | It depends
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| 00:17 | <ari_stress> my canadian PR application seems to be rejected, they said my wife is medically inadmissible. i'm so sad. but i'm still going to write an appeal letter. sorry for the rant.. i don't know what to do...:((
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| 00:17 | brb
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| 00:18 | <mwright1> sbalneav: I'm just trying to migrate to ubuntu_feisty_i386 and i've installed it as /opt/ltsp5 along side the old /opt/ltsp/
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| 00:19 | Just wandering where the /lts/ directory is defined (tftpboot) that is in my dhcpd.conf from version 4.2
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| 00:19 | <sbalneav> /var/lib/tftppboot
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| 00:20 | <mwright1> not on my centos5 box.. no such directory
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| 00:20 | <sbalneav> Dunno anything about centos, might be /tftpboot
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| 00:21 | <mwright1> yer it is
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| 00:21 | ok
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| 00:21 | i've got /lts/ vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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| 00:21 | which kernel should I use with the feisty version 5 I am upgrading too
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| 00:22 | should I copy the /opt/ltsp5/ubuntu_feisty_i386/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-9-generic to /tftpboot/lts
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| 00:22 | and reference that from dhcpd.conf
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| 00:23 | <sbalneav> Yup
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| 00:23 | <mwright1> the kernel I've got atm was from the 4.2 distribution vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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| 00:23 | <sbalneav> You'll have to do a bunch of stuff manually
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| 00:23 | and, localdevs and sound won't work.
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| 00:23 | <mwright1> is there any difference between the kernel 4.2 and the kernel with the feisty distribution
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| 00:23 | <sbalneav> tons
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| 00:23 | <mwright1> I am upgrading to version 5 so I can get localdevs and sound to work
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| 00:23 | that's the whole point
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| 00:24 | <sbalneav> There's no server side stuff for Centos.
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| 00:24 | <mwright1> i'm running Fedora core 7
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| 00:24 | sorry I didn't explain
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| 00:24 | <monteslu> or fedora :(
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| 00:24 | <sbalneav> Doesn't matter.
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| 00:24 | <mwright1> Centos is the host os dom0 and fedora is the xen instance
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| 00:25 | so I can't get it working with fedora? pulise and all these things aren't available for fedora?
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| 00:25 | <sbalneav> Well, they are, but no one's done any work to try to integrate them.
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| 00:25 | And no one's got ltspfs binaries for Fedora.
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| 00:25 | <mwright1> so there is no way through manually configuring them
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| 00:26 | <sbalneav> Well, there probably is.
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| 00:26 | <mwright1> for the usb key etc?
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| 00:26 | <sbalneav> But you'd be on your own.
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| 00:26 | <mwright1> is ltspfs a kernel module?
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| 00:26 | will it work aainst multiple kernels or is it per kernel
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| 00:27 | <sbalneav> I've got a fedora box here, and when I get some time, I was going to start digging into what it would take to get an ubunutu chroot running with fedora, but that's at least a month or two off on my schedule.
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| 00:27 | <mwright1> ok so it might be easier migrating my 50 users to feisty
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| 00:27 | bummer
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| 00:27 | what about sound with 4.2 is it a lost cause?
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| 00:28 | <sbalneav> Well, sound on 4.2 never really worked well.
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| 00:28 | <mwright1> ok .. question.. will there be any problem if the feisty tree sits on Centos5 and I run ubuntu feisty in a xen instance
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| 00:29 | <sbalneav> No idea
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| 00:29 | <mwright1> does that make it difficult
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| 00:29 | <sbalneav> I know zippo about virtualization.
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| 00:29 | Don't need it, don't use it.
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| 00:29 | <mwright1> very handy, aall my clients at work (HP) are moving towards virtualised environments, saving 100s of k on infrastructure
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| 00:30 | * sbalneav shrugs | |
| 00:30 | <mwright1> also testing, and rolling out new software is much easier and less risk
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| 00:30 | ok so what it will mean is this
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| 00:30 | <sbalneav> Like I say, I run a province wide network, and I don't need it at all.
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| 00:30 | <mwright1> the workstation connects in and gets its file share from the Centos 5 box, but in the lts.conf goes to the ubuntu fesity box
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| 00:33 | <mwright1> What if we run fedora with an ubuntu kernel/
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| 00:33 | <sbalneav> What's that going to buy you?
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| 00:33 | Apart from completely breaking your box.
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| 00:34 | <monteslu> sbalneav, so could a repo for binaries of all the ltsp-5 bits be built for fedora/centos, or does something upstream need to be done to the kernel?
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| 00:35 | <sbalneav> Here's what will be needed:
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| 00:35 | kernel wise.
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| 00:35 | <colren> mwright1: you there?
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| 00:35 | <mwright1> yes
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| 00:36 | <colren> hows it going?
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| 00:36 | <sbalneav> fuse, alsa, and the alsa-pulse virtual sound card.
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| 00:36 | <monteslu> sbalneav, I thought those are user space?
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| 00:36 | <mwright1> yer good -- spoke to Russell, he's going to run whatever we have to run in ubuntu to get it working
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| 00:36 | <sbalneav> as for packages, you'll need ltspfs, and a ton of glue scripts to tie it all together.
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| 00:36 | <mwright1> he can run an ubutnu kernel on our fedora if need be
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| 00:36 | <sbalneav> no one's done any work on that stuff in Fedora.
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| 00:36 | <colren> ok
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| 00:37 | <monteslu> I'm trying to to follow the integeratingltsp wiki... a lot to take in
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| 00:37 | maybe if it had pretty pictures/diagrams
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| 00:37 | <mwright1> sbalneav: well Russell to the rescue, we'll be able to report back once we've figured it out on how to get it working
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| 00:37 | <monteslu> mwright1, for fedora?
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| 00:37 | <mwright1> he's a past debian and redhat developer
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| 00:38 | <monteslu> coolness
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| 00:38 | <mwright1> yes but it maybe a slightly advanced config
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| 00:38 | <monteslu> fedora needs some ltsp5 love badly
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| 00:39 | <sbalneav> Well, someone from Fedora's gotta step up to the plate, and take ownership.
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| 00:39 | <mwright1> sbalneav: vmlinuz-2.6.20-9-generic is that the feisty kernel
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| 00:39 | <sbalneav> SOunds right.
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| 00:39 | <mwright1> sbalneav: Russell had a falling out and no longer works for Redhat.. so probably won't take it over
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| 00:40 | <sbalneav> The best way to start would be to port initramfs-tools from Debian/Ubuntu
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| 00:40 | <monteslu> yet redhat will make press releases that they intend to support thin clients
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| 00:40 | <sbalneav> that will help you to build an initramfs that will work with ltsp5
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| 00:40 | <mwright1> colren: I've changed the dhcpd.conf to option root-path "192.168.0.253:/opt/ltsp5/ubuntu_feisty_i386";
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| 00:40 | filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.20-9-generic";
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| 00:41 | <colren> ok
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| 00:41 | shall I try a reboot?
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| 00:41 | <mwright1> i've restared dhcpd
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| 00:41 | of the workstation.. nto the server
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| 00:42 | <colren> ok, here goes
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| 00:42 | <mwright1> sbalneave: is that the correct path for the option root-path.. orshould it be the sub directory /boot appended on their
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| 00:43 | <sbalneav> Well, in D/U, the kernels are copied out from the chroot, and installed in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
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| 00:43 | they don't actually transfer from the chroot.
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| 00:44 | <mwright1> the lts part is ok
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| 00:44 | but what about the option root-path which is the nfs part
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| 00:44 | have I got that right
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| 00:46 | <sbalneav> The root path doesn't need the ip address anymore
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| 00:46 | <sbalneav> And, as well, for the next version, we move away from nfs as the default, to nbd as the default device.
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| 00:46 | the chroot is squashfs'd, and shared out with nbd-server.
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| 00:46 | <colren> mwright1: bootup borked
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| 00:47 | <sbalneav> You can switch back to nfs, but you need to rebuild the initramfs.
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| 00:47 | <colren> am now booting from the local hard drive on the same machine
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| 00:47 | mwright1: you there?
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| 00:49 | <mwright1> yes
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| 00:50 | <colren> I think it was still trying to go into 4.2
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| 00:50 | <mwright1> i'll just check russell's availability
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| 00:51 | Russell will be in the channel in 20minutes
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| 00:52 | colren: will you still be in the office?
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| 00:52 | <colren> will be here until 5pm
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| 00:52 | <mwright1> ok can you confirm that you box is 192.168.0.47
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| 00:53 | * monteslu decides to stay up at least another 20 minutes | |
| 00:53 | <colren> yes 192.168.0.47
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| 00:53 | ws018
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| 00:59 | <mwright1> colren: where are you at?
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| 00:59 | can you explain what is occuring
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| 01:02 | <colren> huh
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| 01:02 | waiting for russel
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| 01:04 | mwright1: do you want me to try rebooting again?
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| 01:05 | <mwright1> yes
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| 01:05 | <colren> ok
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| 01:05 | <mwright1> see if we can figure out what it is
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| 01:06 | <colren> might set the laptop up so can reboot at will without having to close down IRC
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| 01:17 | <mwright1> colren: ru back
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| 01:18 | <colren> mwright1: ubuntu on the laptop borked :|
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| 01:20 | <monteslu> Russel still gonna show?
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| 01:28 | <mwright1> yer
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| 01:33 | <mwright1> he should be here
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| 01:33 | colren: have you setup?
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| 01:34 | <colren> mwright1: on local drive
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| 01:38 | <mwright1> that does not make sense
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| 01:38 | ok, so what hapepns when the floppy disk is going to boot
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| 01:38 | <colren> it borks
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| 01:39 | trying to get laptop functioning so I can chat at same time as booting
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| 01:42 | mwright1: is russel going to join us here?
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| 01:45 | <mwright1> not until 5
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| 01:45 | he just called me
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| 01:45 | so you'll probably miss him
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| 01:46 | <mwright1> Your problem does not make sense
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| 01:46 | <colren> can wait around a bit
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| 02:08 | <mwright1> r u still around
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| 02:09 | We need to fix this first problem
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| 02:09 | colren: u there?
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| 02:09 | <colren> yeah
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| 02:09 | gonna boot the lappie from knoppix
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| 02:10 | <colren2> ok
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| 02:10 | booting with the floppy
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| 02:12 | <mwright1> ..... is it picking up the kernel
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| 02:12 | <colren2> error is "booting rom image: 1008 AX:0212 BX:2200 CX:001 DX:0100
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| 02:12 | repeats on and on....
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| 02:12 | <mwright1> is that straight away
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| 02:12 | <colren2> pretty much yeah
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| 02:12 | <mwright1> there is a two stage boot
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| 02:13 | <colren2> it loads the flopp like it used to do with 4.2 and we know that works
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| 02:13 | then the next stage it comes up with that error
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| 02:14 | <mwright1> filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1";
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| 02:14 | [root@solar2 lts]# cat /etc/dhcpd.conf |grep generic
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| 02:14 | filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.20-9-generic";
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| 02:14 | <colren2> ok, now it has changed error
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| 02:15 | "not a valid image unable to load"
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| 02:15 | now it is repeating over and over...
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| 02:16 | <mwright1> yer that's not a tftpboot image
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| 02:16 | I realise that now
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| 02:16 | 2 secs
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| 02:16 | <colren2> ok
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| 02:16 | <mwright1> i have to find where in that /opt/ltsp5 the image is
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| 02:16 | I think it might be under /var/lib/tftp*
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| 02:17 | sorry /opt/ltsp5/ubuntu*/var/lib/tftp*
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| 02:17 | <colren2> just tell me when to hit the reset
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| 02:17 | think Iv'e stuffed gru on the laptop :|
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| 02:17 | grub
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| 02:19 | <mwright1> i'm a bit stuck
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| 02:19 | where was that webpage explaining how ubuntu feisty does it
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| 02:19 | i did a find /opt/ltsp5 -name "vmlinuz*"
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| 02:19 | and only found 1x kernel image
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| 02:20 | <colren2> try linux-image
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| 02:24 | <mwright1> I like this ubuntu stuff
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| 02:24 | how hard do u reckon it would be to migrate us to ubutnu
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| 02:26 | <colren2> dunno, would have thought it to be pretty straight forward
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| 02:26 | <mwright1> I'll try and convince russell that we've got to test with a xen instance under centos5
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| 02:27 | of ubuntu
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| 02:27 | probably need one setup even if we're going to get fedora 7 going
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| 02:27 | <colren2> yeah, I reckon setup a xen instance with fiesty in it
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| 02:28 | ad we can work on migrating to that
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| 02:28 | then switch over
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| 02:28 | all the apps are the same level as f7 anyway
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| 02:37 | mwright1, I'm going to go
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| 04:03 | <Envit1> Hola a todos desde España
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| 04:03 | Hello all from Spain
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| 04:40 | <JonNoob> Hi everybody... Anybody knows why i can't find the file nbi.img in my edubuntu feisty server?
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| 04:42 | <Envit1> JonNoob: I don't know, but... don't you need to create it before?
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| 04:45 | <JonNoob> Are you thinking about ltsp-build-client ? Already done that. My server is an AMD64, so i ran sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 and changed my dhcpd.conf to point at /ltsp/i386 instead of /ltsp/amd64
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| 04:47 | I just found it. didn't know it resides in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386....
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| 04:48 | So I guess my problem isn't related to a missing nbi.img file.
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| 04:50 | My problem is that my client won't boot. it hangs at the edubuntu progressbar. When i hit alt-f1 i can see it keeps contacting the dhcp to get the nbi.img. but failes with the message "rpc failed 2"
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| 05:14 | <Envit1> rpc sounds like NFS problem, not DHCP
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| 05:17 | <JonNoob> I think so to. I suspect that it has something to do with my network. I have both gigabit and 100 Mbit switches and nics. I heard that the packet size of UDP is set to big, and i tried to correct it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 05:18 | But it didn't work
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| 05:18 | it just say unknown parameter when the client boots.
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| 05:19 | I inserted this string NFSOPTS="-o nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048" and also tried NFSOPTS="-o nolock,ro,proto=tcp"
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| 05:19 | <ogra> can you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot ?
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| 05:19 | <JonNoob> never tried pastebot. Do I need an account for that
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| 05:19 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 05:19 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 05:20 | <ogra> just go there, paste your stuff in the form ...
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| 05:22 | <ltsppbot> "jonnoob" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/253
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| 05:22 | <JonNoob> That was clever :-)
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| 05:24 | <ogra> so you have a tftp server thats different from the ltsp server ?
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| 05:25 | <JonNoob> no it i-s the same why?
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| 05:25 | <ogra> then remove the next-server stanza from the config
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| 05:25 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 05:25 | <ogra> also make sure to only run one unique dhcp server in your network ....
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| 05:26 | if you run two, netbooting wont work right
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| 05:27 | <JonNoob> i only run one dhcpserver
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| 05:27 | <ogra> ok
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| 05:27 | DSL routers often have one etc ... its important for netbooting to have just one so i usually point it out
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| 05:28 | <JonNoob> just tried removing next-server and restarting dhcp. Didn't help :-(
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| 05:29 | Checked my router for dhcp. Just in case i messed up :-)
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| 05:29 | <ogra> did you follow the QuickInstall guide ?
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| 05:29 | <JonNoob> No...
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| 05:30 | Where is that?
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| 05:30 | <ogra> ah, no, its edubuntu, that should be set up by the server installer
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| 05:30 | so no need for that
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| 05:30 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 05:30 | Actually the client booted fine yesterday most of the day.
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| 05:30 | <ogra> are you using etherboot or PXE clients ?
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| 05:30 | <JonNoob> PXE
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| 05:31 | <ogra> got a managed switch that could block tftp or something ?
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| 05:31 | <JonNoob> maybe.. Just checking now
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| 05:33 | just disabled all security on my managed 3com switch
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| 05:34 | Do i need to specify the client in my hosts file?
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| 05:34 | <ogra> no
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| 05:34 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 05:34 | <ogra> the dhcp server should serve it the right data
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| 05:35 | edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 05:35 | and remove quiet and splash there
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| 05:35 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 05:35 | <ogra> see if you get any intresting errors on the scree
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| 05:35 | also check that you get the right data for rootpath etc ...
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| 05:36 | the initramfs spits that out during boot
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| 05:36 | if you have only PXE clients, you can remove the if statement (no need for nbi.img)
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| 05:36 | <JonNoob> my pxelinux.cfg directory is located at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg
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| 05:36 | <ogra> (from the dhcp donfig)
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| 05:36 | right, sorry, my bad
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| 05:37 | <JonNoob> no prob.
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| 05:38 | <ogra> which release btw ? feisty ?
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| 05:38 | <JonNoob> i can see it is running /scripts/nfs-premount
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| 05:38 | feisty
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| 05:39 | done
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| 05:39 | rpc failed: 2
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| 05:39 | i can see it is using the nbi.img. is that wrong?
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| 05:39 | <ogra> it shouldnt do any rpc calls, we use nfsmount with -o nolock ...
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| 05:40 | it just pulls it after its done ... only a slight waste of bandwith, its not used
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| 05:40 | (on PXE clients)
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| 05:40 | thats why i said you could just drop it from the dhcop config
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| 05:40 | *dhcp
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| 05:40 | <JonNoob> I will try it now
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| 05:41 | <ogra> so whats the exact error you see
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| 05:41 | <ogra> (beyond the rpc stuff)
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| 05:46 | <ltsppbot> "JonNoob" pasted "error from boot" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/254
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| 05:47 | <JonNoob> at the end it tries to guess on the network 192.168.0.0 sub 255.255.255.0
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| 05:48 | <ogra> hmm
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| 05:49 | is your nfs server up and running ?
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| 05:49 | <JonNoob> i think so
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| 05:49 | <ogra> it apprently gets the kernel and initramfs right ...
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| 05:49 | but cant mount the nfs root
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| 05:50 | try: sudo mount 172.16.2.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt
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| 05:50 | on the server
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| 05:50 | does that work fine ?
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| 05:52 | <JonNoob> no error reported
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| 05:52 | <ogra> do you see the root in /mnt ?
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| 05:53 | <JonNoob> yes but it is empty...
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| 05:53 | <ogra> hmm
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| 05:53 | it should show the same content as /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 05:54 | <ogra> (a full / of a mini system)
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| 05:55 | <JonNoob> when i navigate to /opt/ltsp/i386/root that folder i empty, but in /opt/ltsp/i386 there is a mini system. It is just the folder root that is empty
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| 05:55 | <ogra> yeah with root i meant the system rootfs :)
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| 05:55 | <JonNoob> sorry.. Im a noob
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| 05:55 | <ogra> so /mnt shows the same content ?
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| 05:56 | <JonNoob> yes
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| 05:56 | <ogra> ok, seems your server works so far
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| 05:56 | weird
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| 05:56 | <JonNoob> yes
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| 05:58 | <JonNoob> just tried booting the client again and it seemed like it got a little longer in one of its attempts, but the text moves too fast.
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| 06:00 | <ogra> could you try to reboot the server ?
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| 06:00 | something is wonky with the nfs server and portmap i guess
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| 06:01 | you didnt play around in /etc/hosts.allow/.deny i guess
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| 06:02 | <JonNoob_> sorry ogra. I pulled my eth cable out by mistake
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| 06:02 | <ogra> could you try to reboot the server ?
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| 06:02 | something is wonky with the nfs server and portmap i guess
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| 06:02 | you didnt play around in /etc/hosts.allow/.deny i guess
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| 06:02 | <JonNoob_> no not at all
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| 06:03 | But i did play with hosts. I set my server up to authenticate users through AD
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| 06:03 | <ogra> that shouldnt have any effect on the boot process
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| 06:04 | its clearly an nfs problem
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| 06:05 | <JonNoob_> Can it have anything to do with the packet size of the UDP packets? My servers NIc is 1gb and my switch is 1gb, but the client is 100mbit.
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| 06:05 | <ogra> it shouldnt
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| 06:05 | as long as you didnt play around with the nfs settings it should wrok fine
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| 06:06 | <JonNoob_> Well i did try to edit defaults
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| 06:06 | and insert NFSOPTS="-o nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"
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| 06:07 | but it just said wrong parameter when the client booted
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| 06:07 | <ogra> just drop that then
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| 06:08 | nolock is used by default
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| 06:08 | ro as well
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| 06:08 | and leave the packetsize to the kernel :)
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| 06:08 | <JonNoob_> ok..
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| 06:08 | i just saw it here bottom of the page http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
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| 06:09 | <ogra> thats for dapper
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| 06:09 | <JonNoob_> ohh.. ok
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| 06:11 | What about this ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/TroubleShooting
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| 06:11 | <ogra> oh, where does that come from
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| 06:12 | <JonNoob_> Found it by accident
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| 06:12 | But i think it is an old solution when you look at the kernelversion
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| 06:13 | <ogra> i really really wonder why the person setting up that page didnt submit a) a single bugreport and b) didnt notify *any* of the devs ...
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| 06:13 | GRRRR !
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| 06:13 | the NFSOPTS he sets are pointless
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| 06:13 | retrans defaults to 10
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| 06:13 | and udp nfs isnt supported anymore with newer kernels
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| 06:14 | <JonNoob_> Hmmm outdated
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| 06:14 | <ogra> it was never different
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| 06:14 | (in ltsp5)
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| 06:14 | <JonNoob_> strange
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| 06:14 | <ogra> the dhcpd.conf looks fine for PXE only though
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| 06:15 | eek
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| 06:15 | <JonNoob_> but what about the parameter "tcp" in NFSOPTS?
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| 06:15 | <ogra> that lts.conf is pointless too, only repeating the defaults
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| 06:15 | that isnt a supported parameter
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| 06:15 | as i said, nfs defaults to tcp in newer kernels
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| 06:16 | <JonNoob_> ohh yes.. i forgot...
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| 06:17 | <ogra> also it shouldnt point people to initramfs.conf ... grmbl
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| 06:17 | <JonNoob_> so we determined that it can't be the packet size. It is not tftp. it is the nfs that failes.... Can it have anything to do with the server being installed with the amd64 version?
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| 06:17 | <ogra> ugh and what is that script for sound ... eek
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| 06:18 | <JonNoob_> seems like somebody(noobs like me) been trying things out years ago....
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| 06:18 | <ogra> well
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| 06:19 | <ogra> the only release we had without sound support out of the box was breezy
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| 06:19 | PS mice are the default since ltsp5 exists (no need for any lts.conf fiddling here)
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| 06:20 | using PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0 but then setting PRINTER_0_TYPE = P (parallel) is beyond my understanding :)
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| 06:21 | <JonNoob_> Fun reading for an expert like you :-)
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| 06:21 | <ogra> if they would have filed a single but they would have gotten the proper answer ... now i have to fix and clean out docs again
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| 06:21 | s/but/bug/
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| 06:22 | <JonNoob_> Do you think my problem have anything to do with my aerver is installed with the amd64 version?
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| 06:23 | <ogra> it shouldnt
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| 06:23 | <JonNoob_> ok
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| 06:23 | <ogra> did you try to reboot ?
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| 06:24 | <JonNoob_> yes
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| 06:24 | <ogra> no change ?
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| 06:25 | <JonNoob_> no
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| 06:25 | are there any logs i can check?
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| 06:26 | <ogra> /var/log/daemon.log on the server
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| 06:26 | or syslog
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| 06:26 | or messages
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| 06:26 | <JonNoob_> ok
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| 06:29 | daemon.log just shows the dhcp sends the ip correctly several times
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| 06:29 | <ogra> should be two times per boot attempt
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| 06:30 | <JonNoob_> it is
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| 06:31 | <ogra> after that you should see an nfs mount attempt somewhere
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| 06:31 | or an erooro from portmapper or so
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| 06:31 | *error
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| 06:31 | * ogra is pretty much out of the nfs business since we dropped that in gutys) | |
| 06:32 | <ltsppbot> "JonNoob" pasted "end of syslog" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/255
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| 06:34 | <ogra> hmm, no requests seem to get through
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| 06:35 | there should at least be a tftp message as well in one of the logs
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| 06:35 | <JonNoob_> nothing in messages
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| 06:35 | from the time i booted the client
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| 06:36 | <ltsppbot> "JonNoob" pasted "end of daemon.log" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/256
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| 06:36 | <ogra> "tftp: client does not accept options"
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| 06:36 | thats something you should see somewhere
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| 06:37 | <JonNoob_> Cant see it in any of the log files
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| 06:37 | <ogra> weird
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| 06:37 | especially since you get your kernel and initramfs apparently
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| 06:38 | <JonNoob_> found it
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| 06:39 | <ltsppbot> "JonNoob" pasted "eror" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/257
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| 06:46 | <JonNoob_> i going away for 5 min. Just going to try another thin client
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| 06:46 | brb
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| 06:53 | i am back
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| 06:53 | Tried another client with same result
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| 06:55 | <JonNoob_> can it have anything to do with ntp? just a wild guess. looking at what at changed yesterday
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| 06:57 | What about PAM or kerboros?
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| 06:59 | How do I check if tftp server is running?
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| 08:59 | <mattwalston> any idea what causes a horizontal band of black and color, one inch high to appear behind active window? turds got fixed with swcursor but not sure what is causing this artifact.
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| 09:17 | <stevnblinux> I have an Ubuntu Dapper Server as an LTSP server with approx. 25 thin clients (Term150). Over the past several weeks, they have been getting more and more frequent errors on client boot "Cant access TTY; Job control turned off". Can someone point me in a direction?
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| 09:18 | Only resolution so far has been to swap the client with a spare from the shelf. If we then use the swapped unit and swap with the next client to give the error, the client works again. i.e. 1 is replaced by spare. 2 is replaced by 1 and 1 works again.
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| 09:18 | <ogra> stevnblinux, did you buy a new DSL router or something that could carry a dhcp server in it ?
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> Morning
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| 09:19 | <stevnblinux> ogra: hmmm.
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| 09:19 | <ogra> the error is related to the client not being able to mount the root filesystem (nfs)
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| 09:19 | !s
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| 09:19 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra
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| 09:19 | <stevnblinux> ogra: I dont think there is anything giving dhcp other than the ltsp server. I can recheck but I dont think so.
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| 09:20 | <ogra> thats either because of the nfs server, the network or because dhcp doesnt give the right info ... typically if you add another dhcp server that can happen
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| 09:20 | <stevnblinux> nothing new I am aware of.
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| 09:20 | k
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| 09:21 | <stevnblinux> ogra: thx. I will research those and see what turns up.
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| 09:42 | <boxrock> can someone tell me why a login will work on console but not on thin-client?
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| 09:43 | i get prompted, but wont log-in, nothing in logs either...
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| 09:44 | <sbalneav> What version of ltsp, and what's your server?
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| 09:45 | <boxrock> 7.04 which i think las ltsp5
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> You probably need to do an ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 09:47 | <rjune> !s
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| 09:47 | <ltspbot`> rjune: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> hello rjune
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| 09:50 | <boxrock> sbalneav, great, that worked, i wonder why i didn't have to run on other servers... thanks
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> np
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| 10:06 | <monteslu> rjune, you ever make any progress with muekow on fedora?
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| 10:06 | i saw something on the fedora education list
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| 10:12 | <rjune> monteslu: I've not had time to do crap.
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| 10:12 | * rjune works 2 jobs currently | |
| 10:12 | <rjune> but I'm doing better.
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| 10:12 | it was three
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| 10:19 | <monteslu> rjune, better than unemployment :)
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| 10:19 | but just barely
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| 10:21 | I guess I could take a crack at muekow, but I know f-all about rpm packaging
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| 10:25 | <cliebow> monteslu:might want to talk to eharrison..
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| 10:30 | <rjune> you definately want to talk to eharrison
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| 10:36 | <JonNoob_> can anybody help with ltsp clients not booting. It is a problem with nfs. It runs /scripts/nfs-premount says it Done then says rpc failed: 2
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| 10:38 | <rjune> monteslu: 90 hour weeks killed me
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| 10:38 | brb
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| 10:41 | <cliebow> btw...rjune!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:41 | <monteslu> erharrison is MIA
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| 10:42 | last post on k12 is almost 2 months old
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| 10:42 | ogra said he talked to him at an ubuntu conference
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| 10:42 | maybe he's turned to the brown side
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| 10:43 | <cliebow> we can come up with sn sddy..i know he used ananconda installer..
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| 10:44 | he was going to show off his work in S.F. but his laptop calved..
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| 10:44 | <monteslu> i think we should just have a repo instead of a specialized distro
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| 10:44 | <cliebow> agreed..
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| 10:44 | <monteslu> but no one on the k12 list agreed with me
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| 10:44 | <cliebow> but what the hay do i know...8~)
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| 10:44 | <ogra> monteslu, thats the case ...
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| 10:45 | <monteslu> he's turned buntu?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> the current upstream code already cotains everything for debian and ubuntu, we expect that other distros code gets added to the central source indeed
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| 10:45 | oh, you mean instead of k12 :) sorry i misunderstood
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| 10:46 | <monteslu> hehe. actually I was asking several questions :)
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| 10:46 | <ogra> "<monteslu> i think we should just have a repo instead of a specialized distro" i was referring to that one thinking you mean ltsp ...
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| 10:47 | <monteslu> oh, i meant a fedora repo for the muekow things instead of a full k12ltsp distro
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| 10:48 | the current k12beta breaks on the installer
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| 10:48 | <JonNoob_> Anybody have an working dhcpd.conf i can look at??
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| 10:48 | <monteslu> figured the central repo for all ltsp was just some SVN tag or something
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| 10:59 | <cliebow> JonNoob:want mine such as it is?
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| 11:00 | <JonNoob_> Yes thank
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| 11:00 | <cliebow> it is just the default...
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| 11:00 | <JonNoob_> that is fine
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| 11:00 | just need it for reference
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| 11:01 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "authoritative; subnet 192.168." (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/258
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| 11:02 | <JonNoob_> Thanks
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| 11:02 | Could someone please tell me where i have to change the ip on my server if i want to use a different ip-range than the default? Is it only dhcpd.conf and system-administration-network?
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| 11:02 | [17:41] ->> Channel created on 26-11-2006
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| 11:03 | <sbalneav> JonNoob_: Yup, that's what you need
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| 11:04 | <JonNoob_> What if i want my windows to be dhcp? Do I just stop dhcp on linux or do I have to change something else on the edubuntu box?
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| 11:04 | <cliebow> JonNoob_, just stop dhcp and use options 17 66 67
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> JonNoob_: Don't know anything about windows, so I couldn't help you there.
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| 11:06 | Haven't used it since '99 :)
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| 11:06 | <JonNoob_> thats alright
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| 11:09 | <hersonls> where i found who make ltsp with my favorit distro?
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| 11:10 | <JonNoob_> cliebow Do you have any idea to why it won't boot? I a scope and a pool with the network 172.16.0.0 sn 255.255.0.0 i made a reservation for the mac of my client. It gets to nfs mount, but says nfsmount: need a path.
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> Well, currently, only Debian and Ubuntu have implementations of LTSP5
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| 11:10 | I know Gentoo, OpenSuSE and Slackware all have versions they're working on.
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| 11:10 | <cliebow> JonNoob:ubuntu/
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| 11:11 | ?
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| 11:11 | <JonNoob_> I did set option 17 66 67
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| 11:11 | edubuntu feisty amd64
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| 11:11 | root path /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:11 | <hersonls> where i found about make my distro for ltsp in the ltsp site?
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> What distro are you interested in?
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| 11:11 | <JonNoob_> Boot server host name 172.16.2.1
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| 11:11 | <cliebow> so root-path is borked..add the ip
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| 11:11 | <hersonls> slackware
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| 11:12 | <cliebow> ?
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| 11:12 | <JonNoob_> ok
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| 11:12 | <ogra> cliebow, wont work ...
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| 11:12 | <cliebow> ive only done this in redhat..
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| 11:12 | <hersonls> my friends have one project slackware ltsp
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| 11:12 | <ogra> there is that initramfs bug ...
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| 11:12 | <cliebow> ohhh...Balls..
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> hersonls: Are you from Brazil?
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| 11:12 | <hersonls> yes
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| 11:12 | <JonNoob_> What initramfs bug????
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> Check out #ltsp-br
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| 11:12 | <ogra> you can use nfsroot="" in the PXE config with colon though
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| 11:13 | <hersonls> ok
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| 11:13 | <ogra> JonNoob_, if you have serverip and colon in the rootpath it wont find the root path
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| 11:13 | <hersonls> where i found about make my distro for ltsp in the ltsp site?
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| 11:13 | <ogra> that got fixed in gutsys initramfs-tools
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| 11:13 | <hersonls> i see this one time, but cant found again
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| 11:13 | <JonNoob_> ogra what do i do then?
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| 11:13 | <ogra> for all releases before if you want to use it like that you need to use the nfsroot kernel variable
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| 11:14 | <cliebow> ogra:can you set DHCPPORT in option 129 ?
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| 11:14 | <ogra> sure that would wokr as well
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| 11:14 | <hersonls> ??
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| 11:15 | <JonNoob_> ogra no i can't
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| 11:15 | <ogra> JonNoob_, ??
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| 11:15 | <hersonls> help
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| 11:15 | <cliebow> JonNoob_, sounds like nfsroot is most straightforward
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| 11:16 | <hersonls> in the ltsp-br no found somebody for help-me
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| 11:16 | <JonNoob_> cliebow How do i set nfsroot?
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| 11:16 | <ogra> add nfsroot="<ip of your server>:/opt/ltsp/i386" to the PXE config file after quiet and splash
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| 11:16 | <cliebow> hersonls, i believe you will have to settle for ltsp4.2
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| 11:16 | <JonNoob_> ok
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| 11:16 | <cliebow> thanks ogra..
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| 11:17 | <JonNoob_> i forgot where pxe config file is located?
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| 11:17 | * ogra goes to do some lawn mowing while waiting for the next CD testbuild | |
| 11:17 | <cliebow> JonNoob_, try /vart/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg
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| 11:18 | <JonNoob_> thanks
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| 11:18 | <cliebow> p-ardon the extra t
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| 11:19 | <JonNoob_> Do i need to restrt some service?
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| 11:20 | <cliebow> no i think not
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| 11:20 | <JonNoob_> ok
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| 11:21 | it says nfsmount: can't parse IP adress '"172.16.2.1'
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| 11:21 | <hersonls> cliebow: settle?
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| 11:22 | <JonNoob_> maybe there shouldn't be any "
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| 11:23 | no error anymore, but it is getting 192.168.0.132 as IP!!!
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| 11:24 | and no rootpath or filename
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| 11:27 | <cliebow> hersonls:there is no ltsp5 built from slackware binaries..you can set it up manually using tarballs built from ubuntu( i think)
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| 11:54 | <monteslu> erharrison lives!
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| 11:55 | <cliebow> where did you find him??
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| 11:55 | <monteslu> he just posted to the k12 list
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| 11:56 | <cliebow> Cool!! He is great people!
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| 11:56 | <monteslu> not an k12ltsp7 release message though
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| 11:56 | yes he is
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| 11:56 | <cliebow> i know he has not muekowized k12 yet..
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| 11:57 | if such a word exists
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| 11:58 | <monteslu> sounds like a german weapon
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| 11:58 | the muekowitzer
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| 11:58 | i just bugged him about it off list, offered help
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| 11:59 | <cliebow> i'd like to listen in if possible..
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| 12:00 | <monteslu> I'll bring it back on list if he's interested
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| 12:00 | <cliebow> great..
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| 12:01 | brb
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| 12:47 | <oomph> hello
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| 12:47 | what are good thin client recommedations?
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| 12:48 | <monteslu> disklessworkstations.com
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| 12:48 | <cliebow> diskless workstations is well supported 8~)
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| 12:49 | <oomph> k
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| 12:49 | i'm looking to use this for a small internet cafe
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| 12:49 | is LTSP more focused on educational stuff
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| 12:50 | <cliebow> edubuntu is leading the way if that helps
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| 12:50 | but ltsp can be whatever you like..
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| 12:50 | <monteslu> fookin jammcq, why didn't he have those 119 dollar units up there a month ago
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| 12:50 | would have bought 30
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| 12:50 | <cliebow> monteslu, the ebox?
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| 12:50 | <monteslu> yeah
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| 12:50 | <cliebow> 4 months ago they took 4 minutes to boot
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| 12:50 | <monteslu> errr 1000pxe thing
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| 12:51 | <cliebow> they now boot as well as others
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| 12:51 | <oomph> the 1000pxe mode for 119?
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| 12:51 | <cliebow> sbalneav:how do i find out what repo has x11vnc/libvncserver?
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| 12:52 | <oomph> is edubuntu an LTSP distro of sorts?
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| 12:52 | <cliebow> edubuntu is a distro all by itself..
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| 12:52 | it leads the way for distros to use their own binaries with "our" bits
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| 12:52 | as glue for lrtsp
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| 12:53 | <oomph> www.devonit.com has some decent terminals cheap
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| 12:53 | i bought one for like 150
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| 12:53 | a while back
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| 12:53 | <cliebow> how do they work?
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| 12:54 | <oomph> flashrom custom linux OS
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| 12:54 | or PXE boot
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| 12:54 | can connect to MS terminal or Linux
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| 12:54 | they got a few options
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| 12:54 | <cliebow> heh i mean do they work well?
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| 12:54 | <oomph> yeah, performance is good
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| 12:54 | had one for over 2 years no problems
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| 12:55 | <cliebow> video auto negotiates? or do you need to specify a driver?
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| 12:55 | <oomph> video worked fine
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| 12:55 | i only used it to connect to a MS Terminal server though
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| 12:55 | didn't PXE boot
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| 12:56 | they are reasonably priced though
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| 12:56 | <oomph> they got some sort of a hook up from a china manufacturer
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| 12:56 | <cliebow> if you use them in ltsp report your findings..im pretty sure others have used it.
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| 12:56 | <oomph> i got one in a lab they i intend to pick up
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| 12:56 | and experiment with
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| 12:57 | <oomph> i'm still rather new to LTSP so still reading up on how I can apply it to use
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| 12:57 | <cliebow> well the guys that write it are here most of the time
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| 12:57 | <oomph> which one of these models from diskless workstations would be well suited for an internet cafe?
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| 12:58 | i'll probably buy one to test with
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| 12:58 | <cliebow> id think any..disklessworkstations pays part of the salary to support ltsp..so they get first shoit at support
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| 12:58 | <mistik1> It probaly depends on what you want to offer in your cafe
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| 13:01 | <oomph> just basic internet access
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| 13:01 | mozilla, chat programs
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| 13:01 | <cliebow> sound?
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| 13:01 | <oomph> (kopete)
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| 13:01 | <cliebow> usb?
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| 13:02 | <oomph> yeah, sound
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| 13:02 | possibly usb if I want webcams or soemthing
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| 13:02 | lots of skype users
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| 13:03 | <monteslu> usb more likely for thumbdrives, don't know if anyone is using remote webcams on thin clients
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| 13:03 | someone's probably figured it out though :)
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| 13:05 | <oomph> yeah, good point on the thumb drives
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| 13:06 | does skype work well on it?
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| 13:06 | what linux distro do you guys currently run LTSP on?
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| 13:08 | <cliebow> i have rhel4 in production and edu/x/ubuntu
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| 13:09 | <monteslu> im likely going with k12ltsp based on centos5 now
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| 13:09 | <cliebow> ive run it on libranet long ago
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| 13:09 | <monteslu> really wanted fedora+muekow, but that'll have to be next summer
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| 13:10 | <oomph> cliebow what does K12LTSP offer that edu/x/ubunto does not?
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| 13:11 | <cliebow> K12 is still ltsp4.2
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| 13:11 | <cliebow> eharrison has some pretty cool scripts in there..to set it up properly
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| 13:12 | but i have never used K12
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| 13:14 | <oomph> http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html says its based on Fedora not CENT OS
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| 13:15 | <cliebow> yes..
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| 13:15 | <monteslu> cliebow, eharrison got back with me. He has a new k12 build announcement later this week, just burried in work right now
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| 13:16 | <cliebow> cool..thanks for passing that on..say Howdy for me if you talk with him..
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| 13:16 | <oomph> i assume k12 is more focused for schools
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| 13:16 | is it multi-lingual?
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| 13:16 | <cliebow> yes..gcompris..the tuxxes
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| 13:16 | oomph, not real sure..
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| 13:16 | <monteslu> he is doing some things on muekow as well, I'm gonna bug the fedora-dev list to make it a priority
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| 13:17 | ubunut is really whipping fedora's ass with regards to thin clients
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| 13:17 | ubuntu rather
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| 13:17 | <oomph> cliebow what do you use your server for? school?
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| 13:17 | <monteslu> can never spell that correctly
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| 13:18 | <cliebow> yeah..one k-8 school uses it pretty much exclusively
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| 13:18 | ohh 75 terminals in this high school..
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| 13:18 | ten in the middle school
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| 13:18 | and in 3-5
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| 13:18 | ten'
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| 13:19 | <oomph> wow, that's great
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| 13:19 | <cliebow> im losing "market share" cause my old wreck thinclients wont boot a 2.6 kernel
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| 13:19 | so somewhat orphaned
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| 13:19 | <oomph> i didn't quite get your answer... what is the main difference pros/cons between using K12LTSP and EDubuntu?
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| 13:20 | <cliebow> not sure i can answer that..
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| 13:20 | <monteslu> I'm only still partial to k12 because of misplaced loyalty to redhat/fedora :)
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| 13:20 | <oomph> LTSP itself can be loaded on any distribution, right?
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| 13:20 | <cliebow> K12 is based on Fedora..most of the development is from Ubuntu
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| 13:21 | Ubuntu is So mush easier to keep updated...to me
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| 13:21 | <monteslu> apparently ltsp5 requires more working with the distro developers than ltsp4-2 did
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| 13:22 | <cliebow> that is the point really..
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| 13:22 | <oomph> yeah, most my linux exp is using debian
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| 13:22 | <cliebow> ltsp5 is the first distro to use their own binaries to build the "chroot"
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| 13:22 | <oomph> so ubuntu maybe a good choice for me
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| 13:23 | <cliebow> vagrantc is porting to debian..and very involved
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| 13:24 | <oomph> so if i download ltsp directly from the site
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| 13:24 | i can run it on any linux distro?
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| 13:24 | <cliebow> we do have tarballs for that
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> yeah, but you'll likely have troubles with some features, like local devices and soudn
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| 13:24 | <oomph> edubuntu and k12 are just pre-made distro's with it all loaded, correct?
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> !tarball
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| 13:24 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> really, you want it integrated into your preferred distro
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| 13:25 | <oomph> the only distros that have it integrated are ubunto and fedora?
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> no
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| 13:25 | <cliebow> not fedora
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| 13:25 | <oomph> oh
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> fedora hasn't done anything as far as we can tell
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| 13:25 | <oomph> edubunto is one though, correct?
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| 13:25 | <cliebow> and debian 8~)
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| 13:25 | <oomph> whats the site for debian?
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> ubuntu did the original implementation, and debian was soon to follow
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| 13:26 | !debian
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| 13:26 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> we've worked closely together.
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| 13:27 | <oomph> so i can basically just apt-get it to install it
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| 13:27 | <cliebow> oomph, gutsy is using an nbd mounted chroot image so the server side could be aproblem if you tweak anything..
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| 13:27 | <oomph> then configure my apps
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| 13:27 | cliebow who is gutsy?
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| 13:27 | <cliebow> let vagrantc answer that one
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| 13:27 | <oomph> heh
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| 13:27 | <cliebow> gutsy is ubuntu to come out in Oct
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> yeah, i'm not enthused about the switch to NBD
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| 13:28 | <oomph> sorry, for all the questions. I appreciate the patience. I just wanna make a good decision on where to start
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> but it gave a huge performance boost
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| 13:30 | <oomph> vagrantc : so once I apt-get install the LTSP from a repository. I then have to configure and install individual applications?
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| 13:30 | <cliebow> oomph, all you are getting is a desktop on your server ..on the client
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| 13:30 | so what is installed in server is available to client
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> oomph: typically, you install the ltsp packages, build the LTSP environment, and install the applications you want on your server.
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| 13:31 | <oomph> gotcha
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| 13:31 | by building the LTSP environment you mean defining the applications and settings, correct?
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> there's really simple howto's for debian and ubuntu
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| 13:31 | oomph: read the HOWTOs
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| 13:31 | <oomph> reading it now
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| 13:32 | http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 13:32 | is this all i need to read? or is there a more extensive howto that im missing
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> that's all you'd need, really.
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| 13:33 | <oomph> k
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| 13:33 | i see a reference for your branch
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| 13:33 | | |
| 13:33 | [WWW] http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr-archives/ltsp/vagrant-main/
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| 13:44 | <ogra> vagrantc, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS see the bottom
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| 13:44 | if you are fine to go on maitaining nfsroot i wont complain :)
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| 13:46 | <oomph> This would probably work http://openkiosk.sourceforge.net/work.htm
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| 13:46 | ill have to try it with LTSP
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| 13:46 | * vagrantc is working on a new upstream release of sdm | |
| 13:47 | <ogra> oho!
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| 13:47 | you dotn like scotties new ldm ?
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> haven't had a chance to get it to work.
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| 13:48 | <ogra> weird
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> but the way freegeek does things, it's clear it will be a long time before LDM is feature-complete from freegeek's perspective
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| 13:48 | <ogra> even th second iteration doesnt make any probs in ubuntu
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| 13:48 | well, whats missing from your pov ?
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| 13:49 | sbalneav merged the server selection code yesterday afaik
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| 13:49 | autologin and proper user feedback are working
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> having different defaults for anonymous users
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| 13:49 | key-based autologin ?
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| 13:49 | <ogra> nope
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| 13:49 | user based for now
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| 13:49 | key based will be gutsy+1
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| 13:50 | i want a rocking ltsp in the next ubuntu LTS release gutsy shall just prepare the ground
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> basically, freegeek has an environment where there is key-based autologin support, which logs into one server, and if you specify a user, it logs into a different server.
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| 13:50 | <ogra> sadly i didnt manage the ltspfs hal integration for gutsy ... its just not enough time
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> specified users use password login
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| 13:50 | <ogra> well, send a patch
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| 13:51 | shouldnt be to hard on the base we have now
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> it's much easier to maintain working code than to patch code i can't even get the most basic functionality out of at the moment
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| 13:51 | <ogra> surely easier than maintaining a whole extra packge
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| 13:51 | <ogra> i really dont understand why it doesnt work for you
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> nor do it
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| 13:51 | i
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| 13:52 | <ogra> there isnt any difference i this area between ubuntu and debian /me thinks
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| 13:52 | <vagrantc> the code is entirely over my head, so patches are not likely to come from me
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| 13:53 | <ogra> :(
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| 14:00 | <krotaz> hello
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| 14:01 | sbalneav are you there???
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| 14:03 | <cliebow> ogra:i added universe to chroot sources.list to pick up x11vnc..what did i break?
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| 14:03 | <ogra> nothing :)
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| 14:03 | thas the way to do it
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| 14:03 | <cliebow> i have your April x11vnchowto..prob that needs to be added tro it
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| 14:04 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:05 | <cliebow> now gotta get st-control-panel working..
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| 14:05 | <krotaz> hi guys I've a problem, after the client loads from network a series os messages appears, then the ubuntu logo and then a black screen with the prompt but there it freezes
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| 14:06 | <cliebow> my guess.your x is not starting?
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| 14:06 | <krotaz> if I put CTRL + ALT + F1 A NFS over tcp not found error appears
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| 14:11 | the exact error is NFS OVER TCP NOT AVAILABLE FROM 192.168.0.1
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| 14:12 | <cliebow> o.1 is your server??
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| 14:12 | <krotaz> yes
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| 14:13 | <cliebow> netstat -anp|grep ":2049" show nfs running on server?
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| 14:13 | <krotaz> iI found that the most problable reason is that I don't have the nfs-kernel-modules installed but I've it
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| 14:13 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
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| 14:13 | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* -
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| 14:13 | that's the answer to that netstat
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| 14:14 | <cliebow> looks fine...
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| 14:14 | <krotaz> yes
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| 14:14 | <cliebow> grep root-path /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 14:15 | <krotaz> option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 14:15 | <cliebow> looks fine
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| 14:16 | <krotaz> shold I restart the nfs kernel server???
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| 14:17 | <cliebow> showmount -e
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| 14:18 | <krotaz> showmount: can't get address for dual-core
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| 14:18 | dual-core is the server's name
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| 14:18 | <cliebow> something about nfs is borked then huh?
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| 14:19 | <krotaz> I restarthed the nfs-kernel-server and this line caught me
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| 14:19 | <cliebow> showmount -e should show your nfs mounts
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| 14:19 | <krotaz> Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...
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| 14:19 | exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "*:/opt/ltsp".
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| 14:20 | <cliebow> lets google thjat
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| 14:21 | <krotaz> the thing is that in the second line it seems to point to /opt/ltsp and it should be to /opt/ltsp/i386 or not???
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| 14:21 | <cliebow> shouldnt matter
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| 14:22 | <krotaz> by the way my client network card isn't a PXE capable so I had to creat a iso CD
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| 14:22 | <krotaz> don't know if this could be a problem
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| 14:24 | <cliebow> http://bugs.skolelinux.no/show_bug.cgi?id=1167
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| 14:27 | <krotaz> this is my line /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
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| 14:33 | <krotaz> you should excuse me stupidity but I don't know what to do
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| 14:33 | <cliebow> krotaz, also seems fine..this is ubuntu?if so perhaps ogra will know
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| 14:33 | <krotaz> ograaaaaaaaaaaaa :)
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| 14:33 | <krotaz> hope he's available
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> the subtree_check warnings shouldn't matter
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| 14:38 | krotaz: can you mount NFS from the server ?
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| 14:38 | <cliebow> showmount seesm borked
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| 14:39 | <krotaz> at this moment in the line /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> mount SERVERNAME:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
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| 14:40 | <krotaz> I added a subtree_check command
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> er
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| 14:40 | mount -o ro,nolockSERVERNAME:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
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| 14:40 | * vagrantc can't type | |
| 14:40 | <vagrantc> mount -o ro,nolock SERVERNAME:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
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| 14:41 | <cliebow> would you like to buy a vowel?
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| 14:41 | <krotaz> so i get like this /opt/ltsp *(subtree_check,ro,no_root_squash,async)
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| 14:41 | vowel???
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| 14:41 | <cliebow> no sorry..
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| 14:44 | <krotaz> vagrantc should I return the line to the original one or left it as it's right now?
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> krotaz: shouldn't make any difference
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| 14:45 | <krotaz> ok
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> krotaz: does this work: mount -o ro,nolock SERVERNAME:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
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| 14:46 | krotaz: run from the server ...
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| 14:46 | <krotaz> If i put
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| 14:47 | mount -o ro,nolock dual-core:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt where dual-core is the server's name
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| 14:47 | I get this error
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| 14:47 | <krotaz> no se puede obtener la dirección para dual-core
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> krotaz: try it with 127.0.0.1
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| 14:47 | <krotaz> wich means that can't get the adress for dual core
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> instead of server
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| 14:48 | <krotaz> if I put 192.168.0.1 instead of the dual-core (that's the server ip) i get
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> krotaz: entiendo :)
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| 14:48 | <krotaz> mount to NFS server '192.168.0.1' failed: server is down.
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> krotaz: how about 127.0.0.1 ?
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| 14:48 | <krotaz> mexican o latin american vagrant???
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> norte americano
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| 14:49 | <krotaz> ok
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> studied a little in guatemala
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| 14:49 | <krotaz> if I put 127.0.0.1 no error message
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> does it mount properly ?
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| 14:49 | i.e. are there files in /mnt ?
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| 14:50 | <krotaz> i put ls /mnt and the result is i386
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| 14:50 | so it mounted good
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 14:50 | so NFS is fine, your networking is messed up
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| 14:50 | <krotaz> ok
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| 14:50 | the dhcp.conf file???
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> you sure that 192.168.0.1 is your server ?
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| 14:51 | <krotaz> by the way I just tryed again an I get this error in the ctrl +alt +f1 console of the client
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| 14:52 | <krotaz> rootserver / 192.168.0.1 roothpath /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> krotaz: you sure that 192.168.0.1 is your server ?
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| 14:52 | <krotaz> filename /ltsp/i386.pxelinux.0
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| 14:52 | connect: connection refused
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> krotaz: you sure that 192.168.0.1 is your server ?
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| 14:52 | <krotaz> read: connection refused
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> krotaz: you sure that 192.168.0.1 is your server ?
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| 14:52 | <krotaz> and this las error loops
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| 14:52 | yes thats the ip
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> krotaz: could you paste the output of: ifconfig
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| 14:53 | !pastebot
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| 14:53 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:53 | <krotaz> inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 from the ifconfig
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> krotaz: you have a firewall on your server ?
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| 14:54 | <ltsppbot> "krotaz" pasted "the ifconfig output" (50 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/259
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| 14:54 | <krotaz> done
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| 14:54 | no
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| 14:54 | but in the middle of the server and the client I've a linksys router
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> krotaz: what's all the vmnet stuff ?
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| 14:54 | <krotaz> with the dhcp disabled
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| 14:55 | the vmnet stuff is created when you install VMWARE
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> but the server and client are not VMWARE instances ?
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| 14:55 | <krotaz> no
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| 14:55 | 2 physical pc's
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 14:56 | <krotaz> do you want my dchp.conf file??
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> if you can't mount by ip from the server itself, then it's not going to matter what dhcp says
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| 14:58 | <krotaz> mmm ok
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| 15:04 | the router has a "firewall" but I belive it only works for the internet connection
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| 15:04 | should I disable it???
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| 15:05 | forget the question
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> go ahead and post your dhcpd.conf
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| 15:06 | and is DHCP running on your router ?
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| 15:07 | <krotaz> no only on the server
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| 15:07 | how do I post the dhcpd conf file???
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| 15:07 | <cliebow> pastebot
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| 15:07 | !pastebot
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| 15:08 | <cliebow> vagrantc:any trick to getting a root pw in chroot? i sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and passwd root
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| 15:09 | <ltsppbot> "krotaz" pasted "dhcpd.conf file" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/260
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| 15:09 | <cliebow> all seems ok..but no login
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| 15:09 | krotaz, you dont really have a range there
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| 15:10 | <krotaz> the client takes only that ip
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| 15:10 | <cliebow> seems ok
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| 15:11 | <krotaz> the thing is that as vagrantc said I can't mount nfs by ip only by the loop back
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| 15:14 | <cliebow> that router is in the middle?
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| 15:19 | <oomph> anyone know of any internet cafe management software that works with LTSP terminals?
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> I had written some stuff aeons ago, but it's been unmaintained for 5 years.
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| 15:24 | <sbalneav> Everyone seems to want "Cafe management" software, but no one seems to be able to define exactly WHAT they want, and what some limits are, so a reasonable spec can be come up with.
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| 15:24 | krotaz: You were looking for me?
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| 15:24 | <krotaz> jejej
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| 15:24 | yes buddy
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| 15:24 | <oomph> sbalneav just something that will manage time and define application settings
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> "just"
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| 15:25 | <oomph> sorta like that http://openkiosk.sourceforge.net/ss.htm
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| 15:25 | i'm not a dev, just a user :)
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> most of the cafes around here just let you use the computers the same way you use the tables and chairs.
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| 15:26 | very simple management.
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> Well, someone's gotta do some programming on it.
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| 15:26 | <krotaz> sbalneav yesterday problem of the TFTP open timeout was as you said the $@%&ing vmware
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> Personally, I've got zero interest on it.
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| 15:26 | krotaz: So it was vmware?
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| 15:26 | <krotaz> now the nfs seems to be the problem
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| 15:27 | if I put sudo mount -o ro,nolock 192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the server will mount NFS with 127.0.0.1 ... but not with 192.168.0.1
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| 15:27 | <krotaz> mount to NFS server '192.168.0.1' failed: server is down
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| 15:27 | thanks vagrantc
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| 15:27 | <sbalneav> Gee, wonder what the chances are this is another vmware problem?
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> so NFS is working, but networking is broken.
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| 15:27 | * sbalneav thinks | |
| 15:27 | <sbalneav> Hmm, I'd say "100%"
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| 15:27 | <krotaz> no sbalnev vmware no more
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| 15:28 | now 2 physical pc's
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> Ah, well, that's different.
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| 15:28 | <krotaz> yes
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> though one of them has vmware installed
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| 15:28 | <Gadi> sudo mii-tool eth0
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> wonder if that messes with anything beyond the scope of vmware
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> How is vmware involved here?
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> such as setting up strange routing or firewalling or something
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| 15:29 | <krotaz> when you install vmware it creates a vmnet
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> is something, anything running under vmware?
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| 15:29 | <krotaz> but only for vmware
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| 15:29 | no
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| 15:29 | no thing
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> sudo mii-tool eth0
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| 15:29 | <krotaz> that's for mi gadi???
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> krotaz: Do what gadi says.
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> maybe, what does it say when you type it?
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| 15:29 | :)
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> hey gadi
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> hey
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| 15:30 | sorry - i catch bits of the conversation
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| 15:30 | :)
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| 15:30 | just being my usual pesty self
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| 15:30 | <krotaz> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported
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| 15:31 | * Gadi thinks eth0 is not a real interface | |
| 15:31 | <Gadi> ifconfig -a|grep ^eth
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| 15:31 | what interfaces do you see?
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| 15:31 | * vagrantc gets the same error message | |
| 15:32 | <ltsppbot> "krotaz" pasted "ifconfig output" (36 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/261
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| 15:32 | <krotaz> thats the ifconfig output gadi
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| 15:33 | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:F3:9D:86:00
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| 15:33 | the output of your command
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| 15:33 | * Gadi thinks ifconfig is lying | |
| 15:33 | <Gadi> did you put the "sudo" in front of mii-tool?
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| 15:34 | <krotaz> yes
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> can you ping 192.168.0.1?
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| 15:34 | <krotaz> PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
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| 15:34 | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.030 ms
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> ah, you get booted as far as nfs...
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| 15:34 | make sure you are not blocking udp
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| 15:34 | <krotaz> yes
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> and that your switch is not either
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| 15:35 | <krotaz> how do I do that?? sorry I'm n00b
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> tftp downloads over udp ...
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| 15:35 | and obviously is getting that far
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> ah
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| 15:35 | right
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| 15:35 | what kind of switch is it?
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> as well as the initial DHCP request
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| 15:36 | <krotaz> it's a linsys router wrt54g
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> and NFS is now tcp ...
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| 15:36 | <krotaz> linksys sorry
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| 15:36 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 15:37 | <krotaz> a frien tells me that it could be because nfs is just configured to listen the local host and not the 0.0.0.0
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> iptables -F
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| 15:37 | then, try mounting 192.168.0.1 with nfs
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| 15:37 | that could be too
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> krotaz: no, your /etc/exports is listening to anything
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| 15:38 | <krotaz> withthe 192.168.0.1 ip I get an error that says that the server is down
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| 15:38 | the sudo iptables -F returns nothing
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| 15:39 | gadi: /opt/ltsp *(subtree_check,ro,no_root_squash,async) the line of the /etc/exports and as vagrantc said it's listening to anything
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| 15:47 | <krotaz> any ideas??
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> Why are you using the tcp transport method for nfs?
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| 15:53 | <krotaz> because the ubuntu configured it automatically
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| 15:54 | and as I read nfs runs over tcp as well as in udp
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| 15:54 | <sbalneav> Ubuntu comes automatically with udb
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| 15:54 | udp, sorry
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| 15:55 | Paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot
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| 15:55 | <krotaz> ok
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> tcp is the only supported transport method in both ubuntu and debian LTSP 5 implementations
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| 15:56 | <ltsppbot> "krotaz" pasted "dhcpd.conf file" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/262
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> klibc only supports NFS over tcp, which is what initramfs-tools uses
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> wha?
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| 15:58 | We're not using udp?
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| 15:58 | <krotaz> no
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> that's my understanding
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| 15:58 | <krotaz> tcp
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> huh, news to me
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| 15:58 | ok
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> it was an easy change to miss, since 95% of the time there's nothing to notice :)
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| 15:59 | <sbalneav> What does your lts.conf file look like?
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> we keep askig krotaz to paste the same things over and over again
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| 16:00 | <krotaz> [default]
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| 16:00 | sound, localdev and ndb are true
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| 16:00 | syslog = server
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| 16:01 | <sbalneav> You're server's not on the default 192.168.0.254
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| 16:01 | you got a SERVER = line?
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> defaul SERVER is guessed from the NFS mount
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| 16:02 | krotaz: which linux distro and LTSP version are you running ?
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| 16:02 | <krotaz> I read thath te default is the .0.1
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> no
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| 16:02 | <krotaz> ubuntu 7.04 ltsp 5
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> Where'd you read that?
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| 16:02 | put a SERVER = 192.168.0.1 line in lts.conf
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| 16:02 | * vagrantc is pretty sure the default is not .0.254 in LTSP 5 | |
| 16:03 | <krotaz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: krotaz isn't even getting to the point where lts.conf is read ...
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| 16:03 | <krotaz> Configure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP 192.168.0.1,
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| 16:03 | <sbalneav> By default, an unconfigured interface get a .254
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> ??
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| 16:04 | <sbalneav> Mine here gets .254
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| 16:04 | <krotaz> the configure line I wrote is a line from the link obove
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| 16:04 | yes but I'm not getting to the lts.conf part
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| 16:05 | * vagrantc stops claiming to know ubuntu's networking insanity | |
| 16:05 | <sbalneav> phht
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| 16:05 | <krotaz> I get a nfs over tcp not availale from 192.168.0.1
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| 16:05 | <sbalneav> What kind of hardware do you have for the switch?
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| 16:05 | <krotaz> linksys wrt54g
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| 16:06 | <sbalneav> So, how many ports you got? 4?
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| 16:06 | <krotaz> but it's not blocking tcp cause the client gets the ip
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| 16:06 | yes
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| 16:06 | client it's on port 4 server on port 1
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| 16:07 | <sbalneav> invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server stop
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| 16:07 | invoke-rc.d portmap stop
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| 16:08 | invoke-rc.d portmap start
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| 16:08 | invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server start
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| 16:09 | <krotaz> done
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| 16:09 | <sbalneav> Make sure there's nothing in hosts.allow or hosts.deny
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| 16:10 | <krotaz> the portmap conf file must have something uncommented
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| 16:10 | like this line
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| 16:10 | OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1"
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| 16:11 | it seems that it must be commented :S
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| 16:12 | <sbalneav> Did you uncomment that?
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| 16:12 | <krotaz> jajaj bingo
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| 16:12 | <sbalneav> That will do it.
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| 16:12 | <krotaz> seems to be
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| 16:12 | hold on I'l change to the client
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> egads.
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| 16:16 | <krotaz_thin> aleluya
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| 16:16 | aleluya
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| 16:16 | finally this thing worked
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| 16:17 | now I'm connected from my thin client
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> i'll have to remember that one. i've seen that error on occasion and wondered what would cause it.
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| 16:17 | <krotaz_thin> me tu
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| 16:17 | me too
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| 16:17 | and that portmap said
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> seen, as in seen other people encountering it
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| 16:17 | <krotaz_thin> that if you want to only listen the 127.0.0.1 port you have to uncomment that line
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| 16:17 | great :)
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| 16:22 | well guys thank you very much
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| 16:41 | <lns> So who can tell me if LDM will ever utilize login photos? mmm? ;) Sounds like fun, right?
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> lns: file a bug
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| 17:00 | <lns> vagrantc, thanks! I think I will, this would be an awesome feature...along with theming (although I think that's already possible)
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> themeing is possible, though inelegant
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| 17:02 | * vagrantc notices that ltsp-update-kernels should actually call the chrooted code when possible | |
| 17:03 | <vagrantc> works fine with defaults, but if you want to configure things differently, you have to maintain your differences in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-kernels.conf as well as /opt/ltsp/*/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 17:04 | <sbalneav> lns: I have no plans for login photos at the moment.
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| 17:04 | Perhaps in a future rev
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| 17:12 | It would be extremely hard anyway, given the nature of ldm.
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| 17:13 | As when the greeter's up, it really has no idea as to what logins are on that box.
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| 17:13 | Or even what box it's going to log into.
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| 17:13 | vagrantc: Had any luck getting ldm going in Debian?
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: haven't tried for a while.
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| 17:22 | sbalneav: been busy switching freegeek over to LTSP
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| 17:22 | <sbalneav> Cool
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: should be done within a couple days, i'm guessing.
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| 17:23 | it was easiest to just use sdm with LTSP.
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| 17:24 | which has spurned my desire to release a new sdm :)
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> just need to port gadi's direct session stuff, add a couple tweaks for localdev and sound ... tada!
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| 17:43 | <BlackDark> hi
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| 17:43 | anyone use the terms ltsp1220 with ubuntu edgy ?
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| 17:43 | just got my terminals, and the kernel panics at boot
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| 17:43 | so what can I do to solve the problem ?
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| 17:46 | <sbalneav> Hmm, booting pxe or etherboot?
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| 17:46 | <BlackDark> pxe
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| 17:46 | <sbalneav> WHere does it panic?
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| 17:47 | <BlackDark> I think after trying to boot the kernel
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| 17:48 | <sbalneav> in the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386//pxelinux.cfg/
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| 17:48 | dir
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| 17:48 | sorry
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| 17:48 | look at the "default" file, and take out the "quiet splash"
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| 17:49 | <sbalneav> and reboot. Lets see if we can narrow it down a bit more.
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| 17:51 | <BlackDark> kernel boots but i can't see where it hangs, I can't scroll up the screen
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| 17:51 | do I have to setup something in the bios of the terminal ?
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| 17:52 | <sbalneav> Shouldn't
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| 17:52 | <BlackDark> kernel is 2.6.17-10-386
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| 17:53 | it used to work with other terminal and regular pc working as terminal
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| 17:53 | <sbalneav> Seems about right for edgy.
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| 17:53 | so it's just quit working?
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| 17:53 | <BlackDark> server runs 2.6.17-12
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| 17:54 | with the 1220 it's the first time I try it
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| 17:54 | I just received the terms 1220 actually
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| 17:54 | <sbalneav> jammcq's not around, so we can't ask him if he knows anything.
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| 17:55 | I've got a lot of the other dw.com stuff, but I don't have that model.
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| 17:55 | Eric Tayak may know.
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| 17:55 | <BlackDark> is he around ?
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| 17:55 | <sbalneav> he's not online, try giving diskless a call, hopefully he's on phones today.
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| 17:56 | Also, lets try this
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| 17:56 | put "vga=791" on the "default" file kernel line
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| 17:57 | that will put the video in a higher res, we may get more stuff on the screen.
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| 17:57 | wait
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| 17:57 | You got a 64 bit server?
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| 17:57 | <BlackDark> no
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| 17:57 | it's an 32 bits amd
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| 17:58 | <sbalneav> ah, ok, thought you might have a 64 bit server, and just done a ltsp-build-client, without --arch i386
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| 17:58 | you'll get a 64 bit chroot :)
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| 17:58 | try the vga bit, lets see if we can get more info.
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| 17:59 | <BlackDark> umm the screen doesn't like the video res
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| 17:59 | it's a tft 15'
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| 17:59 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 17:59 | too high for that screen.
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| 18:00 | <BlackDark> if I launch again ltsp-build-client, is he going to rebuild a kernel matching the running kernel on the server ?
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| 18:00 | don't think so
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| 18:00 | <sbalneav> Well, remember that you can update the chroot without rebuilding it.
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| 18:00 | sudo -i
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| 18:01 | <sbalneav> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 18:01 | mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 18:01 | apt-get update
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| 18:01 | apt-get upgrade
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| 18:01 | then when done,
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| 18:01 | umount /proc
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| 18:01 | exit
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| 18:01 | then you're out of the chroot
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| 18:01 | <BlackDark> ok got the error
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| 18:02 | <sbalneav> then ltsp-update-kernels
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| 18:02 | <BlackDark> unable to handle kernel null pointer
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| 18:02 | <sbalneav> excellent
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| 18:02 | Hmmm
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| 18:02 | wierd
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| 18:02 | <BlackDark> just after bypassing via 8237 apic deassert message
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| 18:03 | <sbalneav> yeah, try updating the chroot, maybe a new kernel will fix it.
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| 18:03 | <sbalneav> ohh
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| 18:03 | try "noapic" on the default file for pxelinux.cfg
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| 18:03 | maybe it doesn't like the apic
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| 18:05 | <BlackDark> no it doesnt help
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| 18:06 | let's try the updates
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| 18:13 | <BlackDark> strange
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| 18:13 | when I launch ltsp-update-kernels it's updating with 2.17-10
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| 18:14 | but the host runs 2.6.17-12
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| 18:14 | the man page of ltsp-update-kernels says it's gonna use the running kernel of the host
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| 18:14 | <sbalneav> did you apt-get update the chroot?
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| 18:14 | <BlackDark> yes I did
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| 18:15 | <sbalneav> It pulls the kernel from there.
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| 18:15 | hmm
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| 18:15 | Did the chroot download a new kernel?
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| 18:15 | <BlackDark> yes
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| 18:16 | <BlackDark> I think the 1220 doesn't like the 2.6.17 kernel for some reason
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| 18:17 | <sbalneav> hmm, wierd.
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| 18:18 | Got a feisty box you could test on?
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| 18:18 | <BlackDark> not here
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| 18:18 | I would love to test with an another kernel
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| 18:19 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63134
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| 18:19 | found this
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| 18:21 | ok I got something
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| 18:21 | acpi=force
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| 18:25 | <BlackDark> good it works now
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| 18:25 | sbalneav, thanks for your help !!!
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| 18:26 | <sbalneav> No problem!
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| 18:26 | Glad I could
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| 18:26 | <BlackDark> term is quite fast
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| 18:26 | and it's only use the vesa driver
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| 18:57 | <lns> sbalneav, is there any good documentation on how ldm works internally (besides the code)? I'm interested in learning more and possibly helping out with it
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| 18:58 | <sbalneav> Not really, as we're actively re-writing it at the moment.
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| 18:58 | But I can give you a thumbnail sketch
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| 18:58 | ldm launches
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| 18:58 | presents greeter
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| 18:58 | greeter collects username, password
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| 18:58 | attempts ssh login to assigned host.
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| 18:59 | So, before it gets a userid and password, it's running on the local terminal.
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| 18:59 | Know any C?
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| 22:07 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 22:12 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 22:12 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 22:12 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 22:12 | <sbalneav> Fellow was in here before having trouble with the 1220
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| 22:13 | <jammcq> hmm, sorry to hear that
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| 22:13 | <sbalneav> I suspected it may be a problem with acpi, I suggested noacpi
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| 22:13 | Turns out acpi=force fixes the problem
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| 22:13 | FYI
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| 22:13 | <jammcq> hmm, the 1220's are pretty solid, other than video issues
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| 22:13 | haven't heard of any problems with acpi on those
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| 22:13 | <sbalneav> It was on an edgy kernel.
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| 22:15 | Hey check this out.
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| 22:15 | * sbalneav is listening to: Pink Floyd - What Do You Want From Me [Pulse (Disc 1)] | |
| 22:15 | <jammcq> heh, got your player integrated with gaim ?
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| 22:15 | <sbalneav> xchat
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| 22:15 | <jammcq> ah, cool
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| 22:16 | <sbalneav> whiprush pointed me at a script, but it was for the old corba method.
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| 22:16 | <jammcq> whiprush has his integrated with IM, so I can see what he's listening too
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| 22:16 | <sbalneav> rb now uses dbus,
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| 22:16 | so I fixed it :)
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| 22:16 | I can next and previous songs too.
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| 22:17 | Dunno how much use it is, but hey: I learned something :)
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| 22:19 | <jammcq> I need to learn about scripting my irssi sessions
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| 22:39 | * sbalneav is listening to: Pink Floyd - Hey You [Pulse (Disc 1)] | |
| 22:55 | * sbalneav is listening to: Steely Dan - Gaslighting Abbie [Two Against Nature] | |
| 23:10 | * jammcq is wondering if we're gonna see constant announcements about what music sbalneav is listening to | |
| 23:11 | <sbalneav> Yeah, cuz, 3's like, constant.
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| 23:12 | <jammcq> oh jeez, did I actually SAY that? I was just thinking it :)
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| 23:19 | * jammcq wonders if somebody is maybe a little *grumpy* today ? | |
| 23:19 | <jammcq> Hmmmmmmmm ?
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| 23:22 | <sbalneav> uhhh
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| 23:23 | <jammcq> :)
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| 23:23 | just messin with ya
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| 23:23 | or did I hit upon something? Hmmmmmm ?
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| 23:24 | btw, we dropped by Gadi's office today
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| 23:24 | he's got a pretty cool operation going on there
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