IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 January 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:16 | <Ryan52> password expiry stuff appears to be broken :(...*adds to todo list for tonight*
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| 00:54 | <kaeles> ok, just installed ltsp-server-standalone, everything is working and booting up, but when I go to login, the xserver "crashes" and it puts me back at the login page
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| 00:55 | I don't think I had SSH installed on the server, would that be causing the issue?
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| 00:59 | <Ryan52> it's installed with ltsp-server-standalone
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| 01:00 | can you look at the logs on the client?
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| 01:00 | <kaeles> yea
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| 01:01 | hmm
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| 01:01 | Do I need to have the xorg installed on the server?
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| 01:01 | oh
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| 01:01 | I might want to reboot the server to start all the services and etc?
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| 01:01 | :|
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| 01:01 | <Ryan52> no, you don't need X on the server.
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| 01:02 | try rebooting, I guess..
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| 01:04 | <kaeles> well, for some reason the ltsp-server-standalone didn't install the ssh server.
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| 01:05 | <Ryan52> what distro are you on?
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| 01:06 | <kaeles> debian
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| 01:06 | <Ryan52> yes, it did install it :)
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| 01:07 | Depends: ltsp-server, nfs-kernel-server, squashfs-tools, nbd-server (>= 1:2.9.6-2), openssh-server, tftpd-hpa | atftpd | dnsmasq (>= 2.41), openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver, dhcp3-server | dnsmasq,
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| 01:07 | <kaeles> no it didn't I installed it manually afterwards
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| 01:07 | <Ryan52> openssh-server is list :)
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| 01:07 | 0.o
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| 01:07 | okay....uhhhh....hrm.
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| 01:07 | <kaeles> maybe it blew up
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| 01:07 | hold on
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| 01:08 | o.O
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| 01:08 | ok yea something broke
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| 01:08 | cause it didn't install the squashfs-tools either
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| 01:08 | <Ryan52> are you sure you installed -standalone??
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| 01:09 | and not just ltsp-server?
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| 01:09 | <kaeles> yea, I just did apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone and it says its the newest version
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| 01:09 | <Ryan52> o
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| 01:09 | <kaeles> hmmm
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| 01:09 | * kaeles sighs | |
| 01:09 | <kaeles> this kind of stuff always happens to me
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| 01:09 | :P
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| 01:09 | <Ryan52> okay, sorry, that was my mistake.
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| 01:10 | * Ryan52 was looking at Debian Lenny, you're probably on Etch. | |
| 01:10 | <Ryan52> anyway, ya, install openssh-server.
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| 01:10 | <kaeles> ah, yea I'm on etch
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| 01:11 | but anyways, the client is getting the pxe stuff fine and mounting the NFS share fine, it just crashes when I try to login
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| 01:11 | lemme try it again and I'll get the error log
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| 01:14 | ok, it says debug1: Remote: no xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing.
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| 01:15 | <Ryan52> where did you get that from?
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| 01:15 | <kaeles> the var/log/ldm.log
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| 01:15 | <Ryan52> hrm.
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| 01:16 | <kaeles> could it be messing up cause I'm running it as a vmware vm?
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| 01:16 | <Ryan52> I dunno, sorry...
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| 01:17 | <kaeles> oh well, no big hurry
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| 01:17 | <kaeles> thanks anyhow
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| 01:21 | ok
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| 01:21 | weird
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| 01:21 | now it doesn't crash, but instead logs me into a terminal
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| 01:21 | but thats it
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| 01:21 | :P
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| 01:22 | <Ryan52> 0.o
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| 01:22 | <kaeles> are you positive you don't need X on the server to "remote login" to?
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| 01:23 | <Ryan52> 99.9% :)
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| 01:24 | <kaeles> AH
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| 01:24 | Typically, you will need a desktop environment like gnome or xfce, or a window manager such as icewm installed on the server (NOT in the chroot).
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| 01:24 | <Ryan52> ?
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| 01:24 | yes
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| 01:24 | <kaeles> oh
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| 01:24 | LMAO
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| 01:24 | thats the problem then
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| 01:24 | <Ryan52> :D
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| 01:25 | <kaeles> I did not read the how-to close enough apparently
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| 01:25 | * Ryan52 nods | |
| 01:26 | * kaeles goes back to his installing stuff in shame... | |
| 01:26 | <kaeles> :P
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| 01:26 | <Ryan52> hehe :D
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| 01:30 | <kaeles> trying to figure out how to setup a POS system with ltsp, one step at a time :P
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| 01:31 | next will be doing firefox in kiosk mode and some other stuff :|
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| 01:31 | <Ryan52> ah. good luck :)
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| 01:31 | <kaeles> well, I hope so, hopefully I can make some monies :P
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| 01:36 | cool with xfce it works now
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| 01:36 | thanks alot
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| 01:36 | :)
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| 01:36 | <Ryan52> yay!
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| 01:38 | <kaeles> now to make it do autologin with a locked down user and autostart firefox in kiosk mode :P
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| 01:39 | <Ryan52> pfft. that's easy. ;)
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| 05:54 | <tadeu_> i'm trying to execute "apt-get install ltsp-client" and i'm getting this error: "The ltsp-client package provides the basic structure for an LTSP terminal. It cannot be installed on a regular machine"
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| 05:54 | any idea ?
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| 06:00 | <cyberorg> tadeu_, tried ltsp-server?
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| 06:01 | <tadeu_> cyberorg, it depends ltsp-client-core
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| 06:01 | cyberorg, in fact my problem is..
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| 06:02 | cyberorg, i'm using XDMCP and i'm having problem with sound
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| 06:02 | cyberorg, do you have any idea ?
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| 06:02 | cyberorg, i'm trying esound, but no success till now
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| 06:03 | <cyberorg> tadeu_, using latest ubuntu?
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| 06:03 | <tadeu_> debian lenny
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| 06:03 | server and client
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| 06:04 | <cyberorg> tadeu_, wait for vagrantc to come online, he would be able to help
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| 06:05 | <tadeu_> cyberorg, ok thanks so far
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| 09:09 | <jammcq> good morning #ltsp
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| 09:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> happy new year all
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| 09:33 | <marnikv> can someone help me to set up skype?
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| 09:48 | <marnikv> nog niet, maar dat
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| 11:33 | <rjune> !o
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| 11:33 | <ltspbot> rjune: Error: "o" is not a valid command.
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| 11:33 | <rjune> wow, everywhere is dead
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| 11:33 | <johnny> ?
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| 11:34 | <rjune> not too many people running about
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| 11:34 | <johnny> online or off?
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| 11:35 | <rjune> online
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| 11:35 | <johnny> truly
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| 11:35 | <rjune> I'm in a basement, I can't see sunlight let alone people outside
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| 11:35 | <johnny> hehe
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| 11:37 | <petre> I'm in the living room, but I've got 5 days off from work, spending most of the time here
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| 11:38 | but rjune is correct, it's rather quiet
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| 11:38 | <rjune> !g
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| 11:38 | <ltspbot> rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> hey, rjune
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| 11:38 | et al
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| 12:01 | <tadeu_> vagrantc, i talked to cyberorg and he indicated you to discuss about sound with XDMCP
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| 12:02 | vagrantc, i tried esound without success
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| 12:02 | vagrantc, now i'm trying pulseaudio
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| 12:03 | vagrantc, do you have any tip ?
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> tadeu_: LTSP 4 or 5?
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| 12:04 | <tadeu_> Gadi, in fact i'm not using LSTP.. i'm just using XDMCP
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> ok...
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| 12:04 | :)
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| 12:04 | do you run a pulseaudio daemon on your client?
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| 12:05 | sound is completely independent of X11
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| 12:05 | <tadeu_> Gadi, yes, i didn't test it till now..
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> you need a pulseaudio daemon running on the client configured to receive connections from the server, and then you need to set the PULSE_SERVER environment variable on login to the server to point to the client
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| 12:06 | <tadeu_> Gadi, i'd like to know if someone did, and how good it works
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> in LTSP, it works fine
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| 12:06 | but, you are not using LTSP ... :)
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| 12:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: ping
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| 12:08 | question about X_OPTION_0? in lts.conf
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| 12:08 | F10
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| 12:24 | Ok, does anyone know how to specify resolutions in F10? Is that an lts.conf option? X_OPTION_01 ="some x thing" doesn't seem to be working for me
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| 12:28 | <johnny> yhou'd have to show what your'e doing
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| 12:28 | some x thing isn't enough..
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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| 12:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> no quotes?
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> optional
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| 12:42 | :)
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| 12:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, mode instead of opeion
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| 12:42 | err option
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| 12:42 | roger
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| 12:42 | thx
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> quotes are usually only required for values with multiple words
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| 12:43 | _UsUrPeR_: depending on how new a version F10 has, you may also me able to use: XRANDR_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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| 12:44 | (which is the preferred in newest upstream)
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| 12:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 12:44 | that may be it
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| 12:44 | this version installed is two days old
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> tadeu_: using sound with XDMCP is kind of a pain
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| 12:52 | tadeu_: why not just use LDM_DIRECTX ?
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| 12:52 | a.k.a. LDM_TOTALLY_INSECURE
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| 12:53 | * vagrantc actually reads the backscroll | |
| 12:53 | <Ryan52> LDM_TOTALLY_INSECURE -- that's a good edia!
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| 12:53 | <tadeu_> vagrantc, i don't know LDM_DIRECTX
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> tadeu_: it's a feature specific to LTSP ... a mode to use LDM that's nearly as insecure as XDMCP
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| 12:54 | so i guess it would be LDM_NEARLY_AS_INSECURE_AS_XDMCP
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| 12:54 | <tadeu_> vagrantc, oh.. ok
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> vagrantc: did initramfs-tools upstream adopt a mechanism for specifying VCI?
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> Gadi: not yet.
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| 13:33 | Gadi: see http://bugs.debian.org/509077
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| 13:34 | Gadi: the alternate DHCP port stuff was in the script, the VCI stuff isn't. but i made a patch and attached it to that bug report.
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| 13:34 | a patch for both
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| 13:34 | * Gadi saw | |
| 13:34 | <Gadi> nice patch
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> hopefully they'll take it
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> is it wise for us to break current functionality before they do?
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| 13:36 | * Gadi does not use it, personally | |
| 13:36 | <vagrantc> it is wise for us to continue to have bugs in our code that are fixed upstream?
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| 13:36 | i.e. we forked their code, they've done a lot of fixes...
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| 13:36 | * Gadi sees no such bugs | |
| 13:37 | <Gadi> ah ok
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| 13:37 | anything that affects us, tho?
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| 13:37 | introducing a breakage doesnt seem to satisfy your objective of fixing bugs
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| 13:37 | :)
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> i guess part of my move to commit that is to get folks to nudge to get it fixed in initramfs-tools.
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:38 | politics
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| 13:38 | :)
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> indeed. :)
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| 13:38 | * Gadi votes for vagrantc as mayor of munchkin land | |
| 13:38 | <vagrantc> i think i violate some existing height restrictions
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| 13:39 | * Gadi shakes his head - as the prejudice against tall people runs deep | |
| 13:39 | <jammcq> vagrantc: we'll get our marketing people on it. they'll take photos at the just the right angle, making you fit in as mayor of munchkin land just perfectly
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> alternatively, we could break his knee caps
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| 13:40 | :)
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| 13:40 | <jammcq> I mean, if we take pictures from directly above, nobody will notice
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| 13:40 | Gadi: I was offering the midwest version, not the new jersey version of marketing
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> oh, right...
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> heh. yesterday, i was doing aikido with a kid who doesn't even come up to my hip... had to get under his center of gravity...
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| 13:42 | so i know how to deal with munchkins, at least.
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| 13:58 | <cib0> hello
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| 14:06 | i don't know, somehow italc doesn't seem to be a great solution for ltsp.. it doesn't seem to be designed for linux, much less thin clients
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| 14:07 | <nubae> ???
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| 14:08 | <cib0> the site itself only says something useful about windows and fat clients and any other documentation i find seems to fail, too
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| 14:09 | <nubae> what distro?
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| 14:09 | <cib0> debian
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| 14:10 | <nubae> k, well ubuntu is close enough, take a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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| 14:10 | I can tell u from experience that italc works wonderfully with thin clients
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| 14:12 | <cib0> i can't even start the italc master
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| 14:13 | i had to build it from source since the site said the debian repository was outdated
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| 14:15 | <stgraber> cib0: what's the release of italc in debian ?
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| 14:15 | <nubae> oh, did u try installing the ubuntu .deb?
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| 14:17 | <cib0> 1:1.0.9~rc3-1
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| 14:17 | <stgraber> hmm, that's almost the latest release of italc
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| 14:17 | <cib0> oh, weird
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| 14:18 | then probably the italc site was outdated :)
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| 14:18 | hm, ill try installing it from the repos
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| 14:18 | <stgraber> current upstream is 1.0.9 final
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| 14:18 | but IIRC rc3 => final was just disabling some debug
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| 14:24 | <cib0> nice, it works
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| 14:24 | i wonder what i missed in my manual build
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> cib0: i believe they use italc on the ltsp installations in extremadura, spain, with something like 4,000 LTSP servers ... so it surely works.
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| 14:50 | <nubae> yeah italc pretty much rocks
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> or maybe i'm mistaking that for controlaula
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| 14:52 | <cib0> well, i don't really like it, but i don't like KDE in general
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| 14:52 | i won't have to use it luckily
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| 14:54 | <stgraber> it's using QT but not linked to kde in any way (not using any kde component or lib)
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| 14:54 | <joeyk> fluxbox ftw!
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| 14:55 | <cib0> well, it has a very KDE-ish style
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| 15:06 | <johnny> no.. it's just qt..
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| 15:06 | style
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| 15:07 | <cib0> i thought qt were a tool not a philosophy
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| 15:11 | <rjune> cib0, style can refer to visual appearance
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| 15:17 | <Ahmuck> i love kde. well, until kde4 hit the scene
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| 15:31 | <Ryan52> Ahmuck, I like how kde4 looks, tho there are a few "bugs" that just piss me off.
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| 15:32 | for instance, it acts like windows when you press shift 5 times...sticky keys or somethin.
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| 15:32 | and the menu is slow to respond, to I'll bring it up, type "firefox"<ENTER> and it'll start some weird thing, because it processes the enter first...
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| 15:32 | other than that I like it.
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| 15:32 | Ahmuck, why don't you like it?
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| 15:33 | <johnny> Ahmuck, i assume you're speaking of kde4.1 and not kde4.0 ?
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| 15:33 | <Ahmuck> i think in *untu 8.10 they turned on grahpical effects which did nothing for me but slow me down
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| 15:33 | and there were a few bugs that i just couldn't get around
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| 15:33 | <Ryan52> oh.
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| 15:33 | <Ahmuck> so i dropped back to 8.04
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| 15:34 | Ryan52: they did add the "old menu" option however
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| 15:34 | which works better for me
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| 15:34 | <Ryan52> I like how the new one looks, tho :)
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| 15:34 | I just wish it'd work right.
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| 15:35 | <Ahmuck> i figure give it a year in *untu testing, and then maybee try it
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| 15:37 | <Ryan52> ya
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| 15:49 | <cib0> hm, the tutorial said any thin client would add itself to a classroom called "LTSP", but it doesn't
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| 15:58 | <petre> warren, ping
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| 15:58 | <warren> petre: I need to leave soon, what's up
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| 15:59 | <petre> warren, two things:
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| 15:59 | <warren> petre: you didn't build a F-10 version?
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| 15:59 | <petre> one: I've got the quick start guide committed to f9 in cvs
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| 15:59 | right, I wanted to check with you if the steps are the same or not
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| 16:00 | if so, I'll commit it to f10
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| 16:00 | <warren> yes, please do F-10
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| 16:00 | <petre> second question: I can build the liveusb now w/o the selinux/rpcbind problem
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| 16:00 | but pyserial is still missing
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| 16:01 | how do I get that in there before building it?
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| 16:01 | does the create script read the chroot?
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| 16:02 | <warren> petre: which part needed pyserial?
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| 16:02 | petre: server or client chroot? and what exactly needs pyserial?
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| 16:02 | <petre> the client, to support jetpipe
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| 16:03 | <warren> all uses of jetpipe require it?
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| 16:04 | <petre> warren, I think so
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| 16:04 | <warren> petre: hmm.. my F10 chroot has pyserial
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| 16:04 | petre: package ltsp-client Requires pyserial
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| 16:04 | petre: what version of ltsp-client is in the chroot?
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| 16:05 | <petre> does livecd-creator look in my client chroot?
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| 16:07 | warren, ltsp-client is version 5.1.26
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| 16:07 | in my chroot
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| 16:07 | but pyserial is in my chroot
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| 16:08 | should livecd-creator have seen that?
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| 16:08 | * petre doesn't understand how livecd-creator builds the chroot for the livecd | |
| 16:09 | <warren> petre: you aren't pulling in k12linux-temporary repos
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| 16:09 | you have ancient versions
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| 16:10 | <petre> warren, how do I update that?
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| 16:11 | chroot and then yum update?
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| 16:11 | <warren> well, it builds it from scratch within the livecd-creator
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| 16:11 | the latest f9 ltsp is ltsp-5.1.34-2.fc9
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| 16:11 | <petre> so, it doesn't look at my /opt/ltsp/i386 setup then, right?
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| 16:11 | <warren> so you seem to be not pulling in updates either
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| 16:12 | it doesn't look at your own system at all
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| 16:12 | <petre> good, that should make it easier
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| 16:12 | it's just reading what's in the kickstart files, right?
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| 16:14 | <warren> yes
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| 16:14 | but then ltsp-server has kickstart files within it
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| 16:14 | gotta go now, please e-mail the list if you need further help?
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