IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 September 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:07 | <engblom> Running Debian fatclients, no user can unlock the screensaver. Their password is always rejected.
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| 06:07 | What could I do about this?
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| 06:11 | <vagrantc> run the screensavers as a remoteapp
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| 06:11 | or wait for LTSP6 ...
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| 06:12 | don't know how feasible it is to run as a remoteapp
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| 06:13 | <engblom> Sounds like a lot of manual tweaking, if I am going to get xscreensaver to run remotely on a _Fat_ client system
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| 06:15 | That screensaver gets activated by pressing ctrl-alt-del and try to guess if it happens often for the pupils at this school.
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| 06:24 | <vagrantc> this is definitely a weakness of the current model
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> You might be able to substitute /path/to/screensaver with a wrapper script that runs ltsp-remoteapps screensaver instead
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| 06:27 | <engblom> ltsp-remoteapps xscreensaver <--- seems to not work
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> You need to enable remoteapps in lts.conf first
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| 06:28 | <engblom> Ah, okay! Thanks!
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| 06:30 | Is the variable called REMOTE_APPS. I could not find it mentioned in the manual.
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| 06:30 | ?
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| 06:40 | I got xscreensaver to run remotely... but it is not possible to lock the screen.
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| 06:43 | The problem with local running xscreensaver is that /etc/shadow entry is not copied, only the /etc/passwd entry is copied.
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| 06:44 | <alkisg> Yes, we know... LDM needs patching for that to be worked around,
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| 06:44 | but I don't see why `ltsp-remoteapps xscreensaver "$@"` wouldn't work, unless it uses shared memory or dbus or something...
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| 06:55 | <engblom> There are 7 executables named xscreensaver*
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| 06:56 | It is a quite complicated program. I suspect the xscreensaver-command is used when ctrl-alt-del is pressed
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| 07:02 | <Hyperbyte> engblom, I think you have two easy solutions without too much hacking.
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| 07:02 | 1. use a database for storing user accounts, like LDAP, and configure both your server and clients to use that database
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| 07:02 | <engblom> That sounds good!
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| 07:02 | <Hyperbyte> 2. remote xscreensaver and just use X blanking
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| 07:03 | 2nd option means no lock screen, by the way. But I'm not sure how attached you are to it.
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| 07:03 | *remote -> remove
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| 07:04 | <engblom> I think I will go for nr. 2
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| 07:04 | I had been considering nr. 2 myself when I saw how complicated things were risking to get.
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| 07:05 | The more tweaking and hacking, the bigger chance an apt-get dist-upgrade will fail badly
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| 07:05 | <Hyperbyte> Definitely easiest. apt-get purge xscreensaver packages in the client chroot and rebuild the image, then use X_BLANKING=<seconds> in the lts.conf
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| 07:06 | As for suggestion #1... it's a bit more work than suggestion #2, but I can definitely recommend anyone setting up a server where lots of user accounts need to be managed, to use a database for it. Makes (remote) managing easier and allows you to use the exact same user credentials on an N amount of computers.
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| 07:09 | <engblom> In the this moment, the customer will not want to pay for a such migration that #1 would require. I have already been talking a bit about it with them. They do not see a big benefit of it.
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| 07:10 | <Hyperbyte> How many user accounts do they have?
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| 07:10 | <engblom> There is a small interest for it, but not until earliest next summer. They want this school year to finish before that.
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| 07:10 | <Hyperbyte> School. :-o
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| 07:12 | <alkisg> You could just patch LDM to store the hash in /etc/shadow...
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| 07:12 | It shouldn't need more than 20 lines of code
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| 07:12 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, this would make a nice patch anyway, if it could be toggled with an lts.conf variable.
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| 07:12 | :-)
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| 07:13 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 07:13 | <engblom> It is a municipality with 5 ltsp-servers (one for each area). I have been suggesting to have a common login for all 7 schools using them, so things are easier for teachers moving between them
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| 07:13 | <alkisg> It's just a matter of "who does it" :)
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| 07:13 | <Hyperbyte> engblom, yeah... LDAP would be awesome for that. 389-ds allows multi-master replication too, so you can have a fallover server at every location. I use that at work.
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| 07:14 | engblom, plus, if your school would ever deploy something else requires logging in (like web applications for students/teachers), they could link that into their existing user database, thus eliminating the need to manage multiple logins for each student/teacher.
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| 14:39 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 15:01 | <pscheie> Hey jammcq
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| 15:03 | If anyone asks/cares, I'm renting a car in BGR so if anyone needs a ride from BGR to Southwest Harbor, I've got a bit of space.
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| 15:03 | for BTS, that is.
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| 15:26 | <willianmazzardo> alkisg, hi again :)
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> Hi willianmazzardo
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| 15:43 | <jammcq> pscheie: good to know. thanks
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| 15:44 | <pscheie> jammcq, looking at the Seawall Motel website, it says all the rooms ar booked Oct. 31 - Nov 3.
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| 15:45 | <jammcq> yep... that's for us
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| 15:45 | <pscheie> I'll just send an email to--I forget the proprietor's name--inquiring about a room then.
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| 15:46 | <jammcq> if you just tell me what you want, that's good enough
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| 15:46 | and the only choices are 1 bed or 2
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| 15:46 | <pscheie> Oh, ok. I want a single. I only need one bed.
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| 15:47 | <jammcq> k
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| 15:49 | pscheie: have you bought your plane ticket?
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| 15:49 | if so, when are you arriving at BGR and leaving
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| 15:50 | <pscheie> Yes, I have. I arrive sometime around 4pm, a little after I think.
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| 15:50 | <jammcq> on thursday?
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| 15:51 | <pscheie> Yes. 4:36pm
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| 15:51 | And then leaving Sunday at 1:05pm.
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| 15:51 | I've got a one hour layover at LaGuardia along the way.
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| 15:52 | Plane leaves BGR at 1:05, that is.
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| 16:06 | <willianmazzardo> alkisg, do you have something in mind to test?
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