IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:16 | <Jbassett> Good morning
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| 05:17 | Trying to get a USB webcam working which is plugged into a LTSP client
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| 05:17 | I want it to serve the image to a server via ftp or other means
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| 05:18 | I am trying this package first ltspwebcam-0.1.tar
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| 05:18 | But when i run install.sh I get this error:
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| 05:18 | ltsp_kmod's are not installed. Please install them.
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| 05:18 | <laga> Jbassett: are you using ltsp 5?
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| 05:18 | <Jbassett> I have not found much reference to these
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| 05:18 | 4.2
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| 05:19 | <laga> ah. sorry, i've never worked with ltsp 4
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| 05:19 | <Jbassett> ah ok
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| 06:09 | <F-GT> any pointers of where to look as to why my ltsp client is dropping to busybox with an initramfs prompt?
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| 06:09 | hosting ltsp5 inside a vm and trying to pxeboot from another vm
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| 06:11 | <ogra> what vm software ?
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| 06:12 | <F-GT> vmware server
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| 06:12 | <ogra> make sure there rund no vmware dhcp server
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| 06:12 | *runs
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| 06:13 | thats a typical prob if there are two concurring dhcp servers in your network
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| 06:16 | <F-GT> did have 2 .. shut one down... still same problem
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| 06:17 | <ogra> what ip does the client get (it should show that above the busybox prompt) and is that conform with the settings in the servers dhcpd.conf ?
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| 06:18 | <F-GT> yeah picks up the ip okay
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| 06:20 | trying again ... yeah def right ip
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| 06:20 | <ogra> what distro/release is that ?
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| 06:20 | <F-GT> gutsy
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| 06:20 | <ogra> hmm
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| 06:21 | i know for sure it works with vitualbox right out of the box after running ltsp-build-client
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| 06:21 | did you tweak any of the defaults ?
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| 06:21 | <stgraber> it usually also does with VMWare when VMWare's dhc
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| 06:22 | when VMWare's dhcp server is not running
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| 06:22 | <ogra> right, i thought so
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| 06:22 | <stgraber> (that's when using VMWare's internal networking)
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| 06:22 | <F-GT> only thing i've changed the ip of the server but ran the ltsp-update-sshkeys afterwards
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| 06:25 | <stgraber> maybe NBD trying to access the server on the old IP ? I don't really see why it would do that though
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| 06:26 | <F-GT> where should i look to check that ?
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| 06:26 | been looking for logs but can't see anything useful
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| 06:27 | <stgraber> well, I guess you don't have a log output from nbd-server on your LTSP server, right ?
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| 06:27 | <F-GT> correct
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| 06:28 | <stgraber> can you try poking your server's tcp/2000 port ?
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| 06:29 | telnet <ip> 2000 should give you something like : NBDMAGICB ...
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| 06:29 | (I'm not sure telnet is in the initramfs though)
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| 06:29 | <F-GT> nbd-server isnt started
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| 06:29 | <ogra> client should be
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| 06:29 | thats fine, nbd-server is supposed to be run by nbdrootd from inetd
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| 06:30 | s/client/telent client/
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| 06:30 | <F-GT> ok ... telnet isnt avail from the initramfs
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| 06:30 | <stgraber> try : nc <ip> 2000
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| 06:30 | <ogra> oh, right, initramfs ...
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| 06:30 | <stgraber> this one should be installed
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| 06:30 | * ogra had chroot in ming :) | |
| 06:30 | <ogra> *mind
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| 06:31 | <stgraber> yeah, initramfs is very limited when it comes to debuging :)
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| 06:31 | <F-GT> cant find nc either
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| 06:33 | <stgraber> hmm, okay ... do you have some kind of standard computer connected to that same network that you could use to test nbd ?
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| 06:33 | something that has telnet or nc :)
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| 06:33 | <ogra> test it on the server ;)
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| 06:34 | talnet localhost 2000
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| 06:34 | *telnet
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| 06:34 | <F-GT> tried that ogra
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| 06:34 | nope
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| 06:34 | connection refused
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| 06:34 | <ogra> grep nbdrootd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 06:35 | (should return a line pointing to your image)
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| 06:35 | <F-GT> didnt pass back anything
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| 06:36 | <ogra> ls -l /opt/ltsp/images
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| 06:36 | does that return anything ?
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| 06:36 | <F-GT> no
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| 06:36 | <ogra> hmm, how exactly did you install ltsp ?
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| 06:37 | <F-GT> from the alternate cd
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| 06:37 | <ogra> and then ?
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| 06:37 | <F-GT> configured my dhcpd
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| 06:38 | <ogra> and you get to busybox without creating a client setup ?
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| 06:38 | <F-GT> yeah
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| 06:38 | * ogra wonders how thats possible | |
| 06:38 | <ogra> by default there are no kernels if you dont build the client
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| 06:38 | <F-GT> i tried to run the client setup
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| 06:38 | let me find the output
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| 06:39 | <ogra> and the dhcpd.conf we install for ltsp doesnt point to anything that could provide a bootkernel without running the build
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| 06:39 | its all designed to run directly out of the box if you follow the install instructions on the wiki
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| 06:39 | !ubuntu
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| 06:39 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 06:39 | <ogra> (the latter link ... for gutsy see the bottom of the page)
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| 06:40 | "Installing on top of an already running desktop system"
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| 06:40 | <F-GT> i was already on that page :)
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| 06:40 | <ogra> right, did ltsp-build-client finish successfully ?
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| 06:41 | (apparently it didnt)
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| 06:41 | <F-GT> no... said that /opt/ltsp/i386 already exists
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| 06:41 | and fails ... so i thought it may have already done the basics
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| 06:41 | from the install ... obviously my bad :)
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| 06:42 | just aborts
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| 06:42 | <ogra> wipe /opt/ltsp/i386 and start over
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| 06:42 | sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 && sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 06:42 | <F-GT> already done
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| 06:43 | <ogra> good, doe it run now ?
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| 06:43 | *does
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| 06:43 | <F-GT> wait it to delete from the vm
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| 06:43 | waiting
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| 06:43 | <ogra> ah
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| 06:43 | <F-GT> its retrieving some stuff atm
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| 06:44 | <ogra> good
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| 06:44 | <F-GT> thanks for the help btw
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| 06:44 | <ogra> that takes a while, get a coffee or so :)
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| 06:44 | it will tell you in the last line of output if it built successfull
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| 06:45 | ah, well, in your timezone beer is probably more appropriate now :)
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| 06:45 | (than coffee)
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| 06:45 | <F-GT> hahaha
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| 07:21 | <F-GT> great
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| 07:21 | works a treat .. thanks ogra
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| 07:21 | <ogra> :)
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| 07:22 | <F-GT> i did think about nuking that dir .. but after looking inside it and all the files figured it had been setup by the installer
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| 07:23 | good to know anyway.. thanks
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| 07:23 | <ogra> welcome :)
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| 09:18 | <petre> morning all
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| 09:36 | <warren> hey, I'm here but really tired
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| 09:36 | <petre> up late?
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| 09:36 | <warren> yeah
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| 09:37 | * eharrison was at a conference this week, did not get any devel work done... | |
| 09:37 | <warren> https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/Meetings by last week's meeting notes a lot was fixed, but I personally spent most of my time working on F-9 testing to get it out the door
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| 09:37 | So nothing new to report.
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| 09:38 | Oh, one thing.
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| 09:38 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320
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| 09:39 | A fix for all inaccessible mounts from ltspfs appearing on the desktops of other users (with gvfs).
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| 09:39 | Not everyone is happy with this fix
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| 09:39 | but F-9 is shipping with it
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| 09:39 | it probably needs improvement
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| 09:39 | GNOME upstream has severe reservations with Ubuntu's solution from gnome-vfs.
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| 09:40 | worried it will deadlock
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| 09:40 | see the bug for details
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| 09:40 | <ogra> just as a note, ubuntu never had any reports about any deadlocks with that patch within the two years its used
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| 09:41 | *its been used
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| 09:43 | <warren> you conveniently ignore that gnome-vfs uses ugly tricks to try to avoid deadlocks
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| 09:43 | like forking off the process that does it
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| 09:45 | <ogra> warren, i ignore nothing, i just say that we never had problems in gnome-vfs with that patch
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| 09:45 | i dont care what weird hacks the upstream source used internally :)
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| 09:46 | <warren> go convince upstream to change gvfs then
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| 09:46 | they already explained that gvfs doesnt use the same hack as gnome-vfs and it WILL deadlock if it always uses access()
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| 09:47 | <ogra> you are mixing up two unrelated issues
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| 09:47 | the way gnome-vfs works the patch was fine
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| 09:47 | the way gvfs works it might not be fine
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| 09:47 | they are two different implementations
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| 09:48 | <warren> that's what I'm saying
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| 09:48 | <ogra> which you seem to ignore constantly
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| 09:48 | no
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| 09:48 | its not waht you are saying
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| 09:49 | <warren> GNOME upstream has severe reservations with Ubuntu's solution from gnome-vfs.
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| 09:49 | we're talking about gvfs and you constantly point to gnome-vfs
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| 09:49 | just ignore gnome-vfs, its dead ;)
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| 09:50 | <warren> ok, does anyone have any questions or any other topic to discuss?
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| 09:52 | <eharrison> no questions here.
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| 09:52 | <petre> nope, not today
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| 09:53 | <warren> ok, we're done then
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| 09:55 | <petre> dan_young's timing is ironic
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| 09:55 | <dan_young> ?
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| 09:56 | <warren> dan_young: nothing new to talk about so we finished for today
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| 09:56 | dan_young: you have anything new?
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| 09:56 | bugs?
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| 09:56 | patches?
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| 09:56 | <dan_young> warren: no, just finishing up daddy duty and checking in
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| 09:57 | mbrown had a bug re: sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 09:57 | blowing up on ip not being in the path
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| 09:59 | <ogra> smells broken, that should be in /sbin in fedora as well, no ?
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| 09:59 | <eharrison> dan_young: fixed in ltsp-5.1.7-2.fc9
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| 09:59 | <dan_young> ah, excellent
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| 10:23 | <itais> ogra: I've been dealing with localapps and libnss-extrausers and I see one important problem
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| 10:24 | <itais> extrausers limit gid to >500
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| 10:24 | <ogra> which should be fine, no ?
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| 10:24 | <itais> so you can not use groups <500, so the user can not be in the group audio, ergo it can not connect to pulseaudio locally and local apps needing sound will not sound
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| 10:24 | <ogra> (ubuntu user accounts start at 1000, i thought debian did that as well nowadays)
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| 10:25 | <itais> Debian has been doing it for user accounts before ubuntu appears, but you need to put the user in some system groups, like audio, and maybe fuse too
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| 10:25 | <ogra> just use adduser for adding the account to teh groups after having the user available
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| 10:25 | <itais> and you can not do it with extrausers, unless I'm missing something
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| 10:26 | yeah, the user is available but localapps can not use audio,video, localdevices, etc.
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| 10:27 | <ogra> LANG=C chroot $INSTROOT useradd -s /bin/bash -m -p "${PASS}" -c "${FULLNAME}" $TARGETUSER
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| 10:27 | for group in $DEFAULTGROUPS; do
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| 10:27 | LANG=C chroot $INSTROOT adduser $TARGETUSER $group >/dev/null 2>&1
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| 10:27 | done
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| 10:27 | thats from a script i use for classmate PC installs
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| 10:28 | DEFAULTGROUPS="adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner fuse lpadmin admin netdev"
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| 10:28 | <itais> that's fine, but you're not using extrausers there
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| 10:29 | <ogra> no, but if you use that for loop after adding the user it should just work
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| 10:29 | <itais> I'm thinking that using extrausers is not needed, if you just add /etc/passwd, shadow & group to tthe bindfiles list in /etc/default/ltsp-client-setup
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| 10:30 | <ogra> right
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| 10:30 | we dont need it in ubuntu at all where we have a writable unionfs setup
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| 10:30 | <itais> so I don't see a good reason to use extrausers, as things can be done easier (I was thinking of some secure problem with this but I could not find it)
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| 10:31 | yeah, you have writable uninofs when using nbd, like me, but I'll use nbd at the end, for the tests using nfs is much more confortable
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| 10:31 | <ogra> we dicussed that last week and i agreed on the same sentence before ;)
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| 10:31 | <itais> then I misunderstood you, I thought that you prefer using extrausers upstream :-D
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| 10:32 | perfect for me then, have to go back to some father duties ;-)
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| 10:32 | <ogra> no, its just in the spec (and i think it talks about "we need to inspect if extrausers makes sense" or so)
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| 10:33 | i think useradd plus the for loop is the easier approach and surely its better to maintain that than any obscure extra pam lib ;)
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| 10:34 | that spec simply points out the possibilities ... we ned to go through them and check them all for proper implementation
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| 10:34 | (one taks that you just did for us ;) thanks a lot for that btw)
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| 10:34 | *task
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| 10:38 | * ogra wonders what fedora4 used as dhcpd ... apparently that doesnt properly support next-server (just had a support where that was completely ignored) | |
| 10:41 | <dan_young> ogra: dhcp-3.0.2
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| 10:41 | <ogra> hmm, that should work then
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| 10:41 | weird
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| 12:13 | <johnny> ogra, how can i found out what is in hardy-proposed outside of trying to read that gz file :)
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| 12:13 | <ogra> follow the hardy-changes ml
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| 12:13 | :)
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| 12:17 | <johnny> lol.. that sounds insane
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| 12:17 | i need to track down this issue with my net freezing
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| 12:17 | <johnny> peeps are getting pissed :(
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| 12:17 | nothing in the logs afaics
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| 12:17 | it just goes dead, haveto reboot :(
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| 12:19 | it seems to happen once a day
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| 12:19 | haven't been able to replicate it
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| 12:19 | outside of normal working hours
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| 12:40 | <laga> maybe you can catch a backtrace by hooking up a serial console (eg another box with a terminal tool). or use 'netconsole',
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| 12:41 | <johnny> the net goes dead
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| 12:41 | not the whole machine
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| 12:41 | <laga> oh, sorry.
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| 13:45 | <johnny> it's weird tho.. it seems to happen once a day, and that is it.. but not at the same time afaict
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| 16:39 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 16:40 | warren: u around?
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| 16:54 | <johnny> Gadi, yo
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| 16:54 | i'm here.. but nobody else is :)
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| 16:55 | <Q-FUNK> hey
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| 16:55 | <johnny> quiet down Q-FUNK
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| 16:55 | only i am here :)
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| 16:55 | <Q-FUNK> :-P
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| 16:56 | <johnny> maybe Gadi doesn't think we're cool enough
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| 17:19 | <warren> Gadi: ?
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| 17:23 | * cliebow Gadi must be in the cone of silence.. | |
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| 17:50 | <killsalad> hi all, right now i'm writing a paper about LTSP, and i stuck with section which i called limitations of clients, please tell me what else can I plug to client beside printer and usb stick?
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| 17:54 | <ogra> Gadi, short pong, but i'm about to vanish into morpheus arms ....
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| 17:58 | <killsalad> anybody can help me ?
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| 18:14 | <johnny_> ugghz..
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| 18:22 | * ogra grins about someone claiming on the ubuntu-users ML that redhat is 100% free :) | |
| 18:24 | * ogra guesses they have never heard of fedora :) | |
| 18:24 | <ogra> or just dont get what the difference is
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| 18:24 | <johnny_> ogra, this issue with network dieing once a day still exists..
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| 18:24 | i'm stumped :(
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| 18:24 | nothing but a reboot fixes it :(
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| 18:24 | <ogra> did you dig LP for bugs ?
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| 18:25 | and did you ask in #ubuntu-kernel ?
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| 18:25 | <johnny_> well i don't know if it is a kernel issue.. and having trouble coming up with terms to use that give me any decent results
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| 18:26 | <ogra> well, its most likely a driver issue
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| 18:26 | <johnny_> b44 is hard to search for :(
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| 18:26 | too much wifi crap comes up
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| 18:27 | hmm.. realized i don't have gigabit ethernet on that machine..
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| 18:27 | maybe i should just buy a giganet card :)
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| 18:34 | <ogra> well, it worked before
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| 18:39 | anyway
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| 18:39 | * ogra has his weekly intel conf call in 6h ... time for bed .... | |
| 18:39 | <ogra> nighty
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| 19:14 | <jammcq> hello folks
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| 19:16 | <rjune_> yojimbo!
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| 19:16 | what's new?
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| 19:16 | <jammcq> hey rjune_
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| 19:17 | <jammcq> just got home from Michigan Tech. my daughter graduated yesterday
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| 19:17 | <rjune_> Congrats to her
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| 19:17 | we're just getting ready for dinner.
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| 19:17 | <jammcq> thanks
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| 19:17 | <rjune_> what was her major?
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| 19:18 | <jammcq> molecular biology
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| 19:18 | she starts grad school at Penn state in august
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| 19:18 | <rjune_> cool
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| 19:18 | <jammcq> going into forensic molecular biology
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| 19:18 | she'll be studying dna
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| 19:27 | <achandrashekar> hello..is openmosix still viable for such implementations as k12ltsp??
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| 19:27 | Im curious about acutally having the nodes "do something" when they are not being used.
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| 19:36 | <johnny_> achandrashekar, openmosix is unmaintained
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| 19:37 | there may be other cluster options tho..
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| 19:54 | <Gadi> hey, all - sorry bout that putting kids to bed
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| 19:55 | jammcq: any luck getting scottie?
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| 20:57 | <rjune_> !g
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| 20:57 | <ltspbot> rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 20:57 | <rjune_> Gadi: what are you doing around this late?
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| 20:58 | <Gadi> hey rjune!
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| 20:58 | * Gadi is ttrying to use a last-minute award travel that expires at midnight | |
| 20:58 | <rjune_> I didn't even think you had a computer at home
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| 20:59 | <Gadi> lol
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| 20:59 | it keeps me warm in the winter time
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| 20:59 | :)
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| 20:59 | <rjune_> while the rest of us are here at night, ignoring our families, you're never anywhere to be found.
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| 20:59 | <Gadi> yeah, well
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| 21:00 | seems I dont miss much
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| 21:00 | awful quiet round here
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| 21:00 | <rjune_> not usually
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| 21:01 | specially on a sunday
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